If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
Full Version: k1 visa and noobs
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM) 
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 04:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
Agreed and i love your avatar
Someone said "They ask the same questions all the time." It's the same question to YOU, because you read the threads. There are new people here, and these questions are NOT new to them. God, try and put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you read everything thoroughly and are organized, like me, and want to find the answers on your own. But maybe, like mags said above, they want the reassurance that they're doing the right thing... or the wrong thing.
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
EXACTLY
you get " but isnt this site for helping??"
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 04:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
Agreed and i love your avatar
I just started a diet and this post made me look at her av and now I want junk food
Here is my suggestion for a VJ site redesign:
VisaJourney.com
Your Family Immigration Community
READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!
[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]
etc...
VisaJourney.com
Your Family Immigration Community
READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!
[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]
etc...
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:47 PM)
Someone said "They ask the same questions all the time." It's the same question to YOU, because you read the threads. There are new people here, and these questions are NOT new to them. God, try and put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you read everything thoroughly and are organized, like me, and want to find the answers on your own. But maybe, like mags said above, they want the reassurance that they're doing the right thing... or the wrong thing.
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
for the bolded part: K1 visa, FIANCE visa, its as clear as its going to get.
It is annoying when there is a 3 or 4 threads on it a week. And i have been in their shoes, so pls dont even go there with me. My point is, new or not, DUH FIANCE VISA IS NOT FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE VISA APPROVAL. and if you cant understand what my point for this post was for, then ignore it. if you dont like that i feel this way, IGNORE IT. practice what you preach.
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:47 PM)
Someone said "They ask the same questions all the time." It's the same question to YOU, because you read the threads. There are new people here, and these questions are NOT new to them. God, try and put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you read everything thoroughly and are organized, like me, and want to find the answers on your own. But maybe, like mags said above, they want the reassurance that they're doing the right thing... or the wrong thing.
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
for the bolded part: K1 visa, FIANCE visa, its as clear as its going to get.
It is annoying when there is a 3 or 4 threads on it a week. And i have been in their shoes, so pls dont even go there with me. My point is, new or not, DUH FIANCE VISA IS NOT FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE VISA APPROVAL. and if you cant understand what my point for this post was for, then ignore it. if you dont like that i feel this way, IGNORE IT. practice what you preach.
Oh my God, I have been as polite with you as anyone! Why are you being so rude to me? You just shocked me with this response.
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:47 PM)
Someone said "They ask the same questions all the time." It's the same question to YOU, because you read the threads. There are new people here, and these questions are NOT new to them. God, try and put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you read everything thoroughly and are organized, like me, and want to find the answers on your own. But maybe, like mags said above, they want the reassurance that they're doing the right thing... or the wrong thing.
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
for the bolded part: K1 visa, FIANCE visa, its as clear as its going to get.
It is annoying when there is a 3 or 4 threads on it a week. And i have been in their shoes, so pls dont even go there with me. My point is, new or not, DUH FIANCE VISA IS NOT FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE VISA APPROVAL. and if you cant understand what my point for this post was for, then ignore it. if you dont like that i feel this way, IGNORE IT. practice what you preach.
Oh my God, I have been as polite with you as anyone! Why are you being so rude to me? You just shocked me with this response.
I am far from being rude to you. if you read it as rude, i will add smilies next time. All im saying is, i made my statement, i said what i had to say, why do you argument me on what i feel about ppl continueing to post about wanting to know if they can get married BEFORE the k1 is issued? im not going to change my mind on it. its annoying. and the guides are not hard to follow, its just ppl are lazy and dont want to read them,
the other prob with threads like this is ppl out there end up giving WRONG info and can cause damage.
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:56 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:47 PM)
Someone said "They ask the same questions all the time." It's the same question to YOU, because you read the threads. There are new people here, and these questions are NOT new to them. God, try and put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you read everything thoroughly and are organized, like me, and want to find the answers on your own. But maybe, like mags said above, they want the reassurance that they're doing the right thing... or the wrong thing.
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
for the bolded part: K1 visa, FIANCE visa, its as clear as its going to get.
It is annoying when there is a 3 or 4 threads on it a week. And i have been in their shoes, so pls dont even go there with me. My point is, new or not, DUH FIANCE VISA IS NOT FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE VISA APPROVAL. and if you cant understand what my point for this post was for, then ignore it. if you dont like that i feel this way, IGNORE IT. practice what you preach.
Oh my God, I have been as polite with you as anyone! Why are you being so rude to me? You just shocked me with this response.
I am far from being rude to you. if you read it as rude, i will add smilies next time. All im saying is, i made my statement, i said what i had to say, why do you argument me on what i feel about ppl continueing to post about wanting to know if they can get married BEFORE the k1 is issued? im not going to change my mind on it. its annoying. and the guides are not hard to follow, its just ppl are lazy and dont want to read them,
the other prob with threads like this is ppl out there end up giving WRONG info and can cause damage.
Sent you a PM.
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:58 PM)
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:56 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 04:47 PM)
Someone said "They ask the same questions all the time." It's the same question to YOU, because you read the threads. There are new people here, and these questions are NOT new to them. God, try and put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you read everything thoroughly and are organized, like me, and want to find the answers on your own. But maybe, like mags said above, they want the reassurance that they're doing the right thing... or the wrong thing.
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
I just don't understand the complaint that NOOBS are asking about the process. They're NEW. They're SUPPOSED to ask. The guides, while clear to us who have gone through certain parts already, are clear. To someone who's here for the first time, maybe not so much. It's a LOT of information. Have patience with them - is that so hard?
for the bolded part: K1 visa, FIANCE visa, its as clear as its going to get.
It is annoying when there is a 3 or 4 threads on it a week. And i have been in their shoes, so pls dont even go there with me. My point is, new or not, DUH FIANCE VISA IS NOT FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE VISA APPROVAL. and if you cant understand what my point for this post was for, then ignore it. if you dont like that i feel this way, IGNORE IT. practice what you preach.
Oh my God, I have been as polite with you as anyone! Why are you being so rude to me? You just shocked me with this response.
I am far from being rude to you. if you read it as rude, i will add smilies next time. All im saying is, i made my statement, i said what i had to say, why do you argument me on what i feel about ppl continueing to post about wanting to know if they can get married BEFORE the k1 is issued? im not going to change my mind on it. its annoying. and the guides are not hard to follow, its just ppl are lazy and dont want to read them,
the other prob with threads like this is ppl out there end up giving WRONG info and can cause damage.
Sent you a PM.
sent you one back
There's a difference between "Hey, I don't know whether this particular piece of evidence is going to help in my I-129F petition" versus "Hey, can you get married while your K1 is still processing?"
I understand that they want assurance. Okay, I posted my share of noobie threads back in the day. But I also read the guides here, I did my research, I used the search function on VJ, I tried looking for the info, all before I posted my maybe-seemingly-stupid question.
But really, when you're asking a question about whether you can get married on a K1 visa, when you've filled out and applied for a visa that says "hey, I'm petitioning for my fiance to come here so that we can get married and start the rest of our lives together", when the intent and meaning of the actual visa is listed in the instructions for the USCIS form - that shows a lack of research on the couple's part, to put it lightly.
I understand that they want assurance. Okay, I posted my share of noobie threads back in the day. But I also read the guides here, I did my research, I used the search function on VJ, I tried looking for the info, all before I posted my maybe-seemingly-stupid question.
But really, when you're asking a question about whether you can get married on a K1 visa, when you've filled out and applied for a visa that says "hey, I'm petitioning for my fiance to come here so that we can get married and start the rest of our lives together", when the intent and meaning of the actual visa is listed in the instructions for the USCIS form - that shows a lack of research on the couple's part, to put it lightly.
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 05:01 PM)
[quote name='bostonparis' post='1075241' date='Jul
sent you one back
sent you one back
I sent you another one back!
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
you guys have made work fun for me again. ssskkkeeettt'em 
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
I'm not judging. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather see no post to my question than one that doesn't help and is just there to say, "You've annoyed me."
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:10 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
I'm not judging. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather see no post to my question than one that doesn't help and is just there to say, "You've annoyed me."
Going off the above bolded post, you claim that posting the guides link is not helpful. I think it is. Some people dont bother to look at them. There is no other way to suggest that noobs get informed than to use these valuable resources.
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:10 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
I'm not judging. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather see no post to my question than one that doesn't help and is just there to say, "You've annoyed me."
But like i told you in PM, its not about the questions about the process, its the one certain question always asked
" can i get married while waiting for the k1 to be issued?" and even when you tell them no they still dont understand
and then 2 more posts come the same week for the same q
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:10 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
I'm not judging. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather see no post to my question than one that doesn't help and is just there to say, "You've annoyed me."
But like i told you in PM, its not about the questions about the process, its the one certain question always asked
" can i get married while waiting for the k1 to be issued?" and even when you tell them no they still dont understand
and then 2 more posts come the same week for the same q
I just responded to your PM, too. I totally get it, and I get the frustration. Like I said in my PM, tomorrow, I'll probably be
about something else! Maybe today I'm feeling more philanthropic. In any case, I totally see your point, and people here say and do certain things that completely grate on me as well. I getcha.
I think I suggested this before, not sure if it's possible but...
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
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QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
I'm not judging. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather see no post to my question than one that doesn't help and is just there to say, "You've annoyed me."
Going off the above bolded post, you claim that posting the guides link is not helpful. I think it is. Some people dont bother to look at them. There is no other way to suggest that noobs get informed than to use these valuable resources.
I misspoke. What I meant to say was:
is not helpful without a link. That's all.
It's been a long time since I tried helping on the K1 forum as I already said, but I remember the feeling of answering the same questions. Maybe those who feel burned out on it can just take a week or two away from it. I know it can get annoying to see some of the Q's but like others said it's true we have to remember they are very new to this whole thing and if they are not good with paperwork they are going to have even more Q's.
I know a problem with stepping away from helping though is when you see an answer that is wrong, you want to step back in again to correct it, which is needed sometimes! But then you don't take the break you might need from all the questions.
I know a problem with stepping away from helping though is when you see an answer that is wrong, you want to step back in again to correct it, which is needed sometimes! But then you don't take the break you might need from all the questions.
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 26 2007, 05:18 PM)
I think I suggested this before, not sure if it's possible but...
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
I think that's a dynamite idea about the guides being forwarded, depending on what is being filed. I don't know if there's a way to automate that.
I also like the idea of having a "buddy" - not necessarily to have them post your questions for you, but to answer questions before posting them. The only way a noob will get to know people is to post questions first.
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 26 2007, 05:18 PM)
I think I suggested this before, not sure if it's possible but...
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
brilliant!!
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:19 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:10 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(devilette @ Jul 26 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(Nini & Bee @ Jul 26 2007, 01:37 PM)
If they can't even be bothered to read the instructions on their I129F forms, to differentiate the fact that a K1 visa is for fiances with the intent to marry in the United States, I don't see that a pinned thread is going to help either.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
As I said earlier, the onus of responsibility is ultimately up to them - we can give them as much info as we want, but it's up to them to interpret it and use it towards their petition.
But if god forbid you point out the guides, then you are branded not helpful!
If you point out the guides without any direction, no, it's not really helpful.
Bostonparis - you have not even posted in the K1 forum since May. How is that helping?
Well, I had cancer surgery on May 16, then I got married, so I've been a little busy. Next question?
Well you had no problems posting in other forums in May-onwards though.
Just saying don't be so quick to judge if you aren't helping yourself.
I'm not judging. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather see no post to my question than one that doesn't help and is just there to say, "You've annoyed me."
Going off the above bolded post, you claim that posting the guides link is not helpful. I think it is. Some people dont bother to look at them. There is no other way to suggest that noobs get informed than to use these valuable resources.
I misspoke. What I meant to say was:
is not helpful without a link. That's all.oh, that's totally different then.
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 26 2007, 05:18 PM)
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
The only problem I'd see with the suggestion is getting enough people to volunteer to take on someone who possibly knows nothing about the process. There are thousands of new people here, how can they all be matched? It's a good idea I just don't think it's feasible.
Also, what if the person gives the newbie the wrong info, but they rely on it since it's their buddy? And I thought immigration Q's were not really supposed to be answered in PMs because of being held responsible of the info you give and if you accidentally misspeak there is no one to read it and correct it.
The email to newcomers is a good idea though.
Also, what if the person gives the newbie the wrong info, but they rely on it since it's their buddy? And I thought immigration Q's were not really supposed to be answered in PMs because of being held responsible of the info you give and if you accidentally misspeak there is no one to read it and correct it.
The email to newcomers is a good idea though.
I agree with Stina.
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jul 26 2007, 05:26 PM)
Also, what if the person gives the newbie the wrong info, but they rely on it since it's their buddy? And I thought immigration Q's were not really supposed to be answered in PMs because of being held responsible of the info you give and if you accidentally misspeak there is no one to read it and correct it.
Exactly and this is why I think something like this will never happen. It opens up loads of legal avenues as well. Could you be sued if the process takes extra time and money for the petitioner, and the crucial one...you are giving legal advice on a one on one situation.
It's dodgy ground and I can't see many people who would be willing to put themselves at risk like this.
Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!
QUOTE(LisaD @ Jul 26 2007, 05:35 PM)
I agree with Stina.
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
But if they make it a job i promise to be here everyday
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:41 PM)
Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!
The legal ramifications are huge.
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 05:42 PM)
QUOTE(LisaD @ Jul 26 2007, 05:35 PM)
I agree with Stina.
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
But if they make it a job i promise to be here everyday
hahahahahahaha! But you'd go nuts if your 'buddy' said 'Hey Tara...can I get married while this K-1 is processing?'
I think you'd implode, hahahhah.
QUOTE(mags @ Jul 26 2007, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:41 PM)
Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!
The legal ramifications are huge.
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.
Cmon everyone, say it with me:
We are not a paid help desk!
I'm feelin goofy. So I made you something else, Tara:
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80123
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80123
QUOTE(mags @ Jul 26 2007, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:41 PM)
Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!
The legal ramifications are huge.
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.
What's the difference between VJ's (mis)advice and an individuals? I'm not suggesting people become immigration lawyers overnight, but just the bog standard questions that are asked daily. Like, where do I send this, do I need that, etc etc
The trouble is that there are certain people on VJ who answer simple questions incorrectly, and do so a lot. Some people think that going through K-1/AOS process makes them an expert on all aspects of AOS, including things they don't actually know anything about. How do you weed out the real experts from the people who think they are experts?
The good thing about VJ is having a large number of eyes on a question makes for an eventually correct answer. This is why I personally don't like it when people PM me questions, because even though I think I'm right I might not be, and if the question was posted on the forum then someone else would catch my mistake.
For this reason I think the idea of "buddies" is probably a bad idea, regardless of the legal liability issues that no doubt would arise from it.
The good thing about VJ is having a large number of eyes on a question makes for an eventually correct answer. This is why I personally don't like it when people PM me questions, because even though I think I'm right I might not be, and if the question was posted on the forum then someone else would catch my mistake.
For this reason I think the idea of "buddies" is probably a bad idea, regardless of the legal liability issues that no doubt would arise from it.
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ Jul 26 2007, 11:45 PM)
The trouble is that there are certain people on VJ who answer simple questions incorrectly, and do so a lot. Some people think that going through K-1/AOS process makes them an expert on all aspects of AOS, including things they don't actually know anything about. How do you weed out the real experts from the people who think they are experts?
The good thing about VJ is having a large number of eyes on a question makes for an eventually correct answer. This is why I personally don't like it when people PM me questions, because even though I think I'm right I might not be, and if the question was posted on the forum then someone else would catch my mistake.
For this reason I think the idea of "buddies" is probably a bad idea, regardless of the legal liability issues that no doubt would arise from it.
The good thing about VJ is having a large number of eyes on a question makes for an eventually correct answer. This is why I personally don't like it when people PM me questions, because even though I think I'm right I might not be, and if the question was posted on the forum then someone else would catch my mistake.
For this reason I think the idea of "buddies" is probably a bad idea, regardless of the legal liability issues that no doubt would arise from it.
While I agree, I know personally that I found it overwhelming when I asked a question on here and had 10 people saying 5 different things and I didn't know what or who to believe.
A member of VJ used me as a buddy (now friend) earlier this year. I helped her with form filling and letter writing, anything more technical, I told her to ask the experts on here. I think it would help newer members to not feel so clueless and panicky.
I'm not getting the legal liabilities thing.... I'm sueing YOU for telling ME to complete the wrong form? Half the forms on the USCIS website are out of date anyway.
Someone told me I didn't need my X-Ray through Immigration - maybe I shoulda sued?
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ Jul 26 2007, 01:49 PM)
Here is my suggestion for a VJ site redesign:
VisaJourney.com
Your Family Immigration Community
READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!
[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]
etc...
VisaJourney.com
Your Family Immigration Community
READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!
[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]
etc...
My goodness. Can we all just just imagine how many new people coming to VJ and seeing this kind of "Welcome Mat" will want to actually have anything to do with this site? Isn't the point of a site like this to draw people in? How will VJ survive in the long run if we stop the inflow of new people? It is exactly some of those new people will be become tomorrow's "Resident Experts" one day.
Warm Regards,
Samby
QUOTE(Samby @ Jul 27 2007, 12:45 AM)
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ Jul 26 2007, 01:49 PM)
Here is my suggestion for a VJ site redesign:
VisaJourney.com
Your Family Immigration Community
READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!
[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]
etc...
VisaJourney.com
Your Family Immigration Community
READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!
[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]
etc...
My goodness. Can we all just just imagine how many new people coming to VJ and seeing this kind of "Welcome Mat" will want to actually have anything to do with this site? Isn't the point of a site like this to draw people in? How will VJ survive in the long run if we stop the inflow of new people? It is exactly some of those new people will be become tomorrow's "Resident Experts" one day.
Warm Regards,
Samby
I'm sure Dr_LHA's post was tongue in cheek, but do agree with you on the VJ welcome mat and it's spikes.
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 26 2007, 02:18 PM)
I think I suggested this before, not sure if it's possible but...
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?
That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.
Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.
I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.
Great thoughts, cheeky_wolf! I know when I first joined VJ, I got a very nice and helpful message in my inbox from sheriff uling regarding general guides as well as those specific to the Philippines. It was great info and a great 'welcome'. If there could be a way to automate that so to minimize the individual effort and time committment on people to do that, it would great!
Warm Regards,
Samby
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE(LisaD @ Jul 26 2007, 05:35 PM)
I agree with Stina.
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
But if they make it a job i promise to be here everyday
But Ionescu...you ARE here everyday!
(hehehe) Warm Regards,
Samby
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 27 2007, 12:19 AM)
While I agree, I know personally that I found it overwhelming when I asked a question on here and had 10 people saying 5 different things and I didn't know what or who to believe.
Yes, this is the trouble, the Signal to Noise ratio on VJ can be a bit bad, but I still think 10 differing opinions is probably better than 1 wrong opinion.
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I'm not getting the legal liabilities thing.... I'm sueing YOU for telling ME to complete the wrong form? Half the forms on the USCIS website are out of date anyway.
Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all. This sort of thing is why I keep myself pretty much anonymous on sites like this.
PS: Yes Samby, that post was a joke!
I think your VJ actually lies in your hands and if u decide to take info because someone has gone thru it on the face value then you face whatever consequences if things get messed up. Some people are plain rude and good manners isn't something u buy in the market. When someone asks a questions, I believe it's because they feel they can trust you to answer or believe you could guide them and you just wonder why some nutters on here decide to be cockey instead of just ignoring you instead of saying something to piss you off. Most times VJ is not always the best place to ask for help. Your future lies in ur hands. . Bring it on 
. Bring it on
QUOTE(LisaD @ Jul 26 2007, 06:06 PM)
I'm feelin goofy. So I made you something else, Tara:
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80123
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80123
THANK YOU!!!!
QUOTE(Samby @ Jul 27 2007, 12:57 AM)
QUOTE(Ionescu @ Jul 26 2007, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE(LisaD @ Jul 26 2007, 05:35 PM)
I agree with Stina.
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?
Plus, this isn't a job!
But if they make it a job i promise to be here everyday
But Ionescu...you ARE here everyday!
(hehehe) Warm Regards,
Samby
i know LOOL
VJ's a site that mostly works by consensus, and so assigning a buddy is just a bad idea, because the way to get good information is to post a question and weed through people's experiences, not rely on one person to spoonfeed the answers.
But look, newbs could have read all of the instructions to the I-129F and still need confirmation. Maybe they're under a lot of pressure from someone's family to have a marriage here. Maybe they figure, "but I'm marrying the same person I was going to, we're not trying to get away with anything." And to be honest, pretty much everything else outside of immigration is a world where intent is more important than the letter of the rule, so I'm sure if this person bounces it off of his family or friends they probably say, 'how could it be a problem where the marriage is? You were single when you applied for the visa and received it'
If the n00bs are bothering you that much, take some time off.
But look, newbs could have read all of the instructions to the I-129F and still need confirmation. Maybe they're under a lot of pressure from someone's family to have a marriage here. Maybe they figure, "but I'm marrying the same person I was going to, we're not trying to get away with anything." And to be honest, pretty much everything else outside of immigration is a world where intent is more important than the letter of the rule, so I'm sure if this person bounces it off of his family or friends they probably say, 'how could it be a problem where the marriage is? You were single when you applied for the visa and received it'
If the n00bs are bothering you that much, take some time off.
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ Jul 27 2007, 07:55 AM)
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 27 2007, 12:19 AM)
While I agree, I know personally that I found it overwhelming when I asked a question on here and had 10 people saying 5 different things and I didn't know what or who to believe.
Yes, this is the trouble, the Signal to Noise ratio on VJ can be a bit bad, but I still think 10 differing opinions is probably better than 1 wrong opinion.
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I'm not getting the legal liabilities thing.... I'm sueing YOU for telling ME to complete the wrong form? Half the forms on the USCIS website are out of date anyway.
Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all. This sort of thing is why I keep myself pretty much anonymous on sites like this.
I'm not suggesting the buddy waivers their anonymity on VJ. I'm also not suggesting the buddy advises them on legal issues, just the general where does this go, what does this mean, how long will this take, am I normal etc etc.
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 26 2007, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE(mags @ Jul 26 2007, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:41 PM)
Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!
The legal ramifications are huge.
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.
What's the difference between VJ's (mis)advice and an individuals? I'm not suggesting people become immigration lawyers overnight, but just the bog standard questions that are asked daily. Like, where do I send this, do I need that, etc etc
Simply because it is a one on one situation which can be likened to one receiving legal advice regardless of what type of information it is that you tell them. Dr LHA's point below is a very valid one.
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ Jul 27 2007, 07:55 AM)
Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all.
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