noobs are not bothering me, nor am i complaining about NOOBS themselves.
its ONE question that seems to constantly pop up week after week.
I stated in my OP the question i am referring to.
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QUOTE(bostonparis @ Jul 26 2007, 05:41 PM)
Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!
The legal ramifications are huge.
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.
What's the difference between VJ's (mis)advice and an individuals? I'm not suggesting people become immigration lawyers overnight, but just the bog standard questions that are asked daily. Like, where do I send this, do I need that, etc etc
Simply because it is a one on one situation which can be likened to one receiving legal advice regardless of what type of information it is that you tell them. Dr LHA's point below is a very valid one.
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ Jul 27 2007, 07:55 AM)
Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all.
So if you ask a question on VJ and get 1 response which is incorrect, you can sue?
I think you're all paranoid!!
Yeah, but the difference is when you get a person that accepts everything at face value without doing a bit of their own research, getting a second opinion, or misinterpreting the facts. Then that person gets upset because the buddy they put all their faith in has "misinformed" them.
Maybe not so much a case for lawsuit, but why put someone in a one-on-one situation when several opinions can bring a stronger case for or against the question that's been asked?
If there's a thread with varying opinions in it, it's up to the couple to judge for themselves 1) which facts seem most accurate and relevant to the original question, 2) what will work the best for their case, and 3) what needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Maybe not so much a case for lawsuit, but why put someone in a one-on-one situation when several opinions can bring a stronger case for or against the question that's been asked?
If there's a thread with varying opinions in it, it's up to the couple to judge for themselves 1) which facts seem most accurate and relevant to the original question, 2) what will work the best for their case, and 3) what needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
We're not here to tell people exactly what to do....all this site is is anecdotal information.
QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Jul 27 2007, 01:10 PM)
So if you ask a question on VJ and get 1 response which is incorrect, you can sue?
I think you're all paranoid!!
I think you're all paranoid!!
Anybody can decide to sue over anything.
I think you've never been threatened with legal action before in the USA. I have.
People do it over all sorts of trivial things.
Any 'buddy' system could definitely put folks in a precarious position. I enjoy 'knowing my stuff' around here, but I wouldn't be sticking my neck out on issues if I didn't feel there were other members around to help round out the discussion.
But there is a concern too for the site - that we keep it a place where you gather information. That is one reason for the message board format. As Lisa stated above, a place you can read about anecdotal experiences. Where you can find out what happened in a consulate last week, etc.
It's like anything else in life - if ten people tell you something, you can pretty much believe it to contain some substance.
As much as I personally have looked to seasoned members here as a 'beacon', when it came to my own case I always felt better when two or more of them gathered. I also found any personal story they could give me to have more weight than a difficult to interpret section of the Code.
Last afternoon (for research purposes) I was digging through the posts of a member who no longer participates on VJ. He was a rabid poster when he first joined, and clanged the 'no lawyer necessary' gong loudly whenever a member asked if they themselves might need representation. He also freely admitted his fiance' would be in need of a waiver and felt he was his own best counsel because 'no one will more diligently advocate ones case than oneself'. Last I heard, his fiance' had received a ten year bar and the appeal is in the hands of an experienced immigration attorney. It seems there were a few wrinkles he had overlooked. The tone of the last of the poor mans posts were very different than his original entries.
I know we all want to help each other here, but we should always allow for discussion. Even if it's with noobs who refuse to read. And we should never ever tell someone they don't need a lawyer. Unless they ask if they need one to lick the stamp and affix it to their package.
But there is a concern too for the site - that we keep it a place where you gather information. That is one reason for the message board format. As Lisa stated above, a place you can read about anecdotal experiences. Where you can find out what happened in a consulate last week, etc.
It's like anything else in life - if ten people tell you something, you can pretty much believe it to contain some substance.
As much as I personally have looked to seasoned members here as a 'beacon', when it came to my own case I always felt better when two or more of them gathered. I also found any personal story they could give me to have more weight than a difficult to interpret section of the Code.
Last afternoon (for research purposes) I was digging through the posts of a member who no longer participates on VJ. He was a rabid poster when he first joined, and clanged the 'no lawyer necessary' gong loudly whenever a member asked if they themselves might need representation. He also freely admitted his fiance' would be in need of a waiver and felt he was his own best counsel because 'no one will more diligently advocate ones case than oneself'. Last I heard, his fiance' had received a ten year bar and the appeal is in the hands of an experienced immigration attorney. It seems there were a few wrinkles he had overlooked. The tone of the last of the poor mans posts were very different than his original entries.
I know we all want to help each other here, but we should always allow for discussion. Even if it's with noobs who refuse to read. And we should never ever tell someone they don't need a lawyer. Unless they ask if they need one to lick the stamp and affix it to their package.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly. Sorry if this is the case.
A buddy/friend/shoulder/vent.. NOT a lawyer/advisor. I'm thinking more along the lines of them asking the buddy a question and the buddy saying read this thread on VJ, it should answer your questions. Much the same as is done now in threads, but to avoid the repetitive questions being asked and avoid new, seemingly (to older VJers) pointless threads, because the information is in VJ somewhere. Maybe it would avoid the
posts.
Also a buddy could advise a newbie on filling out their timelines to avoid the
posts too!
Basically a person to soften the blow that some newbies may feel when beginning their journey and asking questions on VJ.
I agree that discussions on VJ are invaluable, as is the information that comes from them.
A buddy/friend/shoulder/vent.. NOT a lawyer/advisor. I'm thinking more along the lines of them asking the buddy a question and the buddy saying read this thread on VJ, it should answer your questions. Much the same as is done now in threads, but to avoid the repetitive questions being asked and avoid new, seemingly (to older VJers) pointless threads, because the information is in VJ somewhere. Maybe it would avoid the
posts.Also a buddy could advise a newbie on filling out their timelines to avoid the
posts too!Basically a person to soften the blow that some newbies may feel when beginning their journey and asking questions on VJ.
I agree that discussions on VJ are invaluable, as is the information that comes from them.
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