Dev - if you have issues with how the mods are "modding" then the proper recourse is to either PM and work it out with us, or to PM Ewok. We have rehashed this several times, I don't know what else to say on the matter.

I was only answering her question lal.

I do have issues as do others(obvs this thread was created), yet no one has answered them, either in this thread or by PM. Not sure what else can be done?

but it HAS been answered....some feel the mods' decisions are unfair...the mods have explained why they did what they did, and obviously they feel they acted fairly....what other answer is anyone looking for?

And ty for answering my question, Dev

They haven't Lisa. Let's just leave it at that, cuz it's obvious they won't.

Im late into this. i was on vacation (weeeeeeeeee )
I do have a comment tho, HA is only seeking attention, why here i dunno, maybe its easier to beg for attention from ppl she doesnt know or have to look at on a daily basis. The point is if we keep giving it to her, she will keep staying and posting attention threads only in hopes ppl will respond and she can attack. If we just discontinue giving her what she wants, she will either go away (since she has no immigration purposes here anymore that she has stated), or she will just stop with the immature attacks on ppl.
I have at one point had an argument with her, and as mags remembers instead of continuing it on the thread i took it to PM, and she immediatly blocked me, then took it back to the thread and continued to attack me there, which was incredibly immature and against TOS with the attacks. i do wonder why she is even still on VJ, by choice or not, and if her only purpose here now is to tell me and certain others that our marriages are going to fail, or to brag about dating 2 weeks after her failed marriage, or brag about her bank account and then only here to attack ppl, why is she still here?

and that is my back from vacation thought

greast post.

I agree it would be best to just ignore the member.... but it is wrong that she is allowed to continue her style of attacks and appears to be allowed to by the mods and when people then defend themselves they are warned to stop and then the thread gets locked.... some people have said that she cant help it as she has Aspergers syndrom... well sorry but that is no excuss... my husband has AS and there is no way he would be as conforntational to anyone let alone strangers.... every person I know with AS will avaiod confrontation at all costs...

Kez

Who said she has Aspergers? Did she say it or is this a web based diagnosis from some forumites?

Her attitude doesn't look like someone with Aspergers to me, but that said I only know one person who suffers from it (who's personality can basically be summed up as: rude without meaning or knowing it).

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...amp;hl=Asperger

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And no, no medical condition should be used as an excuse to be rude.

She said it herself... and yes people with AS can say things that other may choose to keep to themselves... as in my husband would think nothing of saying to someone "wow that dress make you look really fat" he would think that he was just being truthful.... but he would never attack someone in the way the member had done or continues to do... that is way to confrontational for an person with AS.... yes they can be blunt and this can be seen by other as being rude... but a full blown all out verbal attack on someone..... never.

Kez

OK, fair enough.

Well, the person I know with Aspergers is rude, in the same way that Kez describes, i.e. brutally honest about things, which offends some people. However personal attacks are definitely not in the AS MO as I understand it.

I do agree.

and i dont think she has Aspergers syndrom, its just an excuse.

After reading the most recent comments in this thread I have to say - you are essentially "feeding" this issue yourselves. let's move on. If you have something to work out with a member - PM them, contact a mod or Ewok.

Cant PM the member as I am blocked and mods take no action when an issue arises.... but if we are not allowed to discuss mebers behavour then I will stop posting....

What a sad sad way VJ has decided to go....

Kez

Laura, that's kind of a strange way to look at it, don't you think?

I don't understand why we have to PM the mods or the Captain to report continually aggressive behavior. The words are right there - in print.

When there is a clear consistent pattern of aggressive behavior, the members of this community shouldn't have to ask (let alone beg) for something to be done. The written record is there and the powers that be should simply take care of the problem.

I'm all for the mods not having to answer to us for every little thing they do. That includes shutting down someone who is a problem without everybody on the board having to 'report it' like a bunch of tattle-tales.

Do you want me to give it to you in a straight no frills answer?

For the most part members have no idea what actions the mods may or may not have taken with any particular member. Speculation that "nothing" is being done is just perception and perception is not always reality regardless of what that old saying states.

And yes, I am going to stand by my statements that chatting it up about a member who is bothering you does not usually end well, but the thread is still open, and discussion continues. That is fine with me, but what I said was a suggestion to look at it another way.

We do try very hard to be consistent and I can tell you we are absolutely not trying to make any member miserable by our actions (or perceived inactions).

I think that's what causes all the problems, now and historically, that everything is all secretive. I'm just curious why that is. Why can't it be public that X member was suspended for X days because of X, Y, and Z posts. That way we all know what "behavior" warrants what "punishments", and there are no misperceptions.

I respect the mods, i have no beef with any of them. but if something is being done about a member who consistantly attacks members of VJ still continues to attack members of VJ, then in my eyes, nothing is being done.

It all very well saying we do not know what action has been taken against any member.... but to members of VJ when we see someone continue to behave in a way that is unacceptable to most people on VJ.. it appears to us as if nothing has happened.... the very fact that the behavour continues... shows that nothing has happened....

Sometimes transparicy is the best option....

Kez

I guess you can assume that it is acceptable behavior--or at the least, it is behavior that will not result in sanction.

It would appear so.... I wonder what will happen to VJ if we continue to attrack members who think it is ok to behave in this manner and it goes unchecked by the Mods....

Kez

The prevailing evidence is .... nothing.

i will not assume anything this member says as acceptable behavior when it is flat out demeening of other members of this site.

Oh oh.... just tried to report a post that violates TOS and got no little box to explain why I was reporting.... wonder what is that about?????

Maybe they just dont want to know any more...... who knows!!!!

Kez

Then that would make you as bad as the people you are complaining about in the first place, surely?



Well, I've just clicked on the "report post button" and the box came up. *shrugs* Incidentally, if you see a TOS violation it helps to send a mod the link. We don't see any thing sent from the "report post" button.

It also helps sometimes to refresh the page, the box will come up then.

Please explain how if more people join VJ that are allowed to behave in an inappropriate way... that make me as bad as them....

The problem here is that it appears one member is being allowed to behave in this way and no amount of reporting that behavour seams to stop it....

Kez

I think she thought you meant "attack" rather than "attract".

Yes, I did.

Then my appoligy for the miss spelling..... my dislexia kicking in....

Kez

No problem, we were both at cross purposes there.

and I repeat:



Perhaps a suspension has been done, but her profile is still there so I highly doubt there is a (much deserved) ban.

exactly what I was getting at, Doc.

If someone is banned - be it for 24 hours or longer, their profile will remain visible. Disabled only happens when the account is closed down permanently by the Captain.

This just confirms that a normal member cannot tell what actions we take by looking at a profile.

It's my understanding a suspension is a temporary measure while a ban is permanent....

Actually, we mods refer to them as 24/48/72 hour bans. They can also be put into place for longer, it depends on what the member did.

very well but it we knew something then likely all this guessing about secret modding would stop!!???? Not to mention it would send a message to the unruly posters that it is not acceptable?

Geez, WHAT IS UP WITH THE SECRECY? It's VJ, not the Illuminati.

I know I'm going to get trounced for tossing this out there, but another board I used to help moderate had a section called the 'jail cell' where when we mods took action, we listed the user's name, the 'infraction' (normally we sited the section of TOS that was violated), the date of the 'infraction' and what action was taken. For example if it was a suspension, we'd list the date it started and ended.

We did it as lightheartedly as possible, and even would try and cut up with the person about 'getting out of jail' when they came back. I can't say whether or not it 'deterred' people from behaving badly, but it certainly didn't seem to cause any issues either.

So now everyone can cut that to shreds - privacy issues, 'don't read it if you don't like it', etc and so on. It wasn't my idea to do it at the other board so I don't care if you think its a stupid idea.

Devilette ~ Why the urge to know exactly what we do? I wasn't aware that we had returned to the British middle ages where public hangings, putting people in the stocks and public duckings were par the course.

I gather then that you would all prefer a method of public humiliation for members here who mis-behave?

wow. So now you make the leap from me asking about the secrecy to comparing it to hangings? Are you serious?????

It is our right to ask about it, and your right to refuse to talk about it. Whatevs. Then don't tell us to PM mods about violations/decisions when several people have & it's been ignored. It's obviously not something you guys care to share with us, so we can hyopothesize away!

I should add that we locked down the jail cell so that only mods could post. It wasn't about public humiliation - but I suppose that's open to your own interpretation.

I guess I thought of it more as accountability than humiliation. It seems better to me than people thinking that certain members are getting away with murder (when that may actually be quite untrue).

I know it's an amazing concept, but the moderators really DON'T have to explain themselves to you all the damn time. Whether they punish someone or not is not your damn business. It isn't mine, either. I live with Mags and I don't know who's been banned, who hasn't, etc etc. Why not? Because it isn't MY DAMN BUSINESS.

Devilette ~ I was using hanging and the stocks as an example of how people of that time period demanded that any crime was punished publically. On VJ some members are requiring that when a mod "disciplines" a member they want it done publically aswell; that's all.

I'm sure the moderators get tired of answering all these questions. It probably seems (sometimes) like an attack on their judgment.

I'm not sure I agree that it's our 'right' to know everything they do. For some reason, it just doesn't bug me to know all the 'inner workings'. But then I kind of operate that way in my daily life. I work with a woman who MUST know EVERYTHING that happens in our office. Kind of bugs me because frankly if I tried to digest that much information each day my brain would be fried.

This is my only SUGGESTION - and it is just that - a suggestion. And it's the same one I have had from day one. Just take care of the troublemakers. Get rid of them. Do 'three strikes you are out' or whatever it takes - but eliminate them.

Still a jump from me asking about secrecy. I made no reference to public humiliation myself, yet you directed the comment at me.

This whole thread was started cuz no one saw any action being taken on the attacking party. A simple statement, saying it's been taken care of would have helped - oh, maybe 6 pages ago? When this many pages go on about it, surely admin should take a look at it & make a statement.

When no visible action is taken, other posters see no punishment for attacking others or violating the TOS....

And I tried to take it to PM with admin, but my PMs went unanswered. And I'm not the only one. Why can't admin/mods just answer a PM from a VJer, if it related to the site/TOS violations?

Spot on, Becca, spot on.

I will also bring the Three Strikes thing up with admin/mods and see if it can be incorporated somewhere.




You haven't PMed me for a long time. I ALWAYS answer every PM I am sent, even if it is just a common courtesy.

I think popularity should come into play...if they are well liked by a number of people here, but they happen to step out of line from time to time, a permanent ban (3 strikes) would be detrimental to the camaraderie here on VJ.