Thanks michigan and mianishqsrose...its nice to see you arround Mrs.Mian.., so the approved visas got to DOS or denails also goes to DOS?

After getting the k1 or k3 visa, there is going to be another battel for AOS. that one is as hard as getting the visa. wish you guys all the luck.

salams all - hope everyone had a good weekend...

for those who had their interviews recently - wishing you a quick ar/ap insha'Allah...

Lari - congrats - alhamdulilah it will be over soon.

those waiting on prints - i was told that the current processing times are 10-12 weeks for results... call the number Shon gave... that's what I did...

now I have a question, I may have asked this before - forgive me if I have, I can't remember - but once the prints are in, is that when the security checks actually begin? or are they occurring simultaneously??? should I get my hopes up at all at the possibility of having this process over by mid July (when the prints should be done)???

well, I am not sure. But when I called in December Jackie from DOS told me that my finger prints were back, one security clearance was on hold, one cleared and one was pending!

so I am making an asumption that everything is done together to save time. But I know for a fact that if some are pending and one expires they have to do that over again. Also when the DOS is doing clearances, embassy does not do anything else! Just waits till the results get back, not even a field investigation!

true!




the CO makes a recommendation for approval or denial. a cable is sent to DOS.
if recommendation for denial < NOID, NOIR > its sent to NVC. I rather not talk about denials.


The visa Adjudication Process- Flow chart

1. The process starts when the applicant schedules a visa interview.
2. Applicant goes to post
3. Us. Embassy./ U.S. consulate- consular section
4. Applicant is reviewed by consular officer and name entered into CLASS. Applicant interviewed at post.
5. Consular officer deterimines if the applicant is eligible to receive the visa, including using discretion to determine if a security advisory option <SAO> maybe needed: this would include looking on the Technology Alert List < TAL> to see if field/ area of study of applicant falls under TAL.
6. If SAO is not needed then…consular officers decide to issue or deny the visa.<<<< the end >>>> OR
7. If SAO is needed…..then Inter- Agency Mantis check. <<<<< shonnie and javed here
8. Security Advisory Opinion prepared and forwarded to post.
9. Consular officer then decides to issue or deny visa to applicant

I just read this testimony from the FBI about security clearances! I ama little worried now. So SAOs are prepared and given to embassy if there is derogitory things on ones report

Also I just talked to an officer at the embassy, who told me that if the security clearance is done and forwarded to embassy, it takes just a couple of days for them to send a letter out to the applicants and issue them a visa as they have hundreds of thousands of applications and the dont like to sit on applications with out any reason. The Officer was nice too!

The funniest thing is that the embassy has no clue about the DOS visa services department! Lol! This the second person I have talked to and has no idea about the DOS 202 663 1225 number and they think I am making this up!

Oh well! I guess we have to wait more!


http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/hardy102303.htm

The information in the file is reviewed for possible derogatory information. Less than 1% of the requests are identified with an individual with possible derogatory information. These requests are forwarded to the appropriate FBI investigative division for further analysis. If the investigative division determines there is no objection to the visa request, the request is returned to the name check dissemination desk for forwarding to the Department of State. If there is an FBI objection to the visa request, the investigative division will prepare a written Security Advisory Opinion (SAO) and forward it to the Department of State. In reviewing these visa requests, the FBI has identified individuals attempting to enter the United States who are of serious concern to the FBI.

Thanks for all this infomation...,michigan...,this is very good information...,i'm going to email embassy lets see what they answer i'm hoping the auto answer you all got..hahah..i know they unutten beni zalim..,
tell me do i have to call FBI? for status?? i actually dont know if DOS do this checks or they transfer to FBI? so tell me all security checks transfer to FBI?? or only certain checks? i didnt have full set finger prints..just index.. so do you have any idea?

Ars
you have to WAIT til Embassy send your case to DOS. it takes a while before they send it to DOS
for the security checks. your case may still be under going a local level review. once Embassy submit
the recommendation - a cable is sent to the DOS. then you gotta wait til they are done with the
security checks. read the FLOW chart I put in here. a few VJ entries back.

DOS already got request of one security check on me from embassy..,after 8 days of my interview..

Ars

here is the next steps..

The visa Adjudication Process- Flow chart

1. The process starts when the applicant schedules a visa interview.
2. Applicant goes to post
3. Us. Embassy./ U.S. consulate- consular section
4. Applicant is reviewed by consular officer and name entered into CLASS. Applicant interviewed at post.
5. Consular officer deterimines if the applicant is eligible to receive the visa, including using discretion to determine if a security advisory option <SAO> maybe needed: this would include looking on the Technology Alert List < TAL> to see if field/ area of study of applicant falls under TAL.
6. If SAO is not needed then…consular officers decide to issue or deny the visa.<<<< the end >>>> OR
7. If SAO is needed…..then Inter- Agency Mantis check. <<<<< shonnie and javed here
8. Security Advisory Opinion prepared and forwarded to post.
9. Consular officer then decides to issue or deny visa to applicant

we were placed on adminstrative processing a week ago

Oh yeah, they only stamped the passport... that's weird I thought they take it. How long of a wait could this be? My father's name is very uncommon for the most part, so, i'm hoping it won't be too long.

Canuhandleit, dont worry. Its not you its everyone! Dont worry and relax! I told you everyone is going into admin processing. Honestly since your father was in the US for a long while just like me. Not to discourage you, but the admin processing might take longer than usual too ( I pray if doesnt, but want you to be ready for everything).

So give us the interview details, what all was asked? Also did they tell him no waivers needed?

Yeah, they told him no waivers needed. It's hard to relax michigan, it's completely different when it depends on my mother's health. I just came back today and she told me her "problem" is increasing even more and that she may need to be hospitalized at any time (although she should have been treated a year ago, but my dad left and she has no time since she is required to give 15-17 hours a day to the family business). Understand the dillema? I could wait it out if health wasn't a problem, but i'm worried... i don't know what her problem is but I can pretty much guess it's pertaining to menopause or something along those lines.

btw the visa symbol was F31 (immigration through Married son/ daughter of US citizen), will that have any impact?

I honestly dont know what u mean by Visa symbol and what f31 stands for! Shed some light on it! What do u mean by that. Also if a case number was issued start calling DOS to see the status on the security checks.

I would suggest getting a letter from your mother's physician, to request embassy to expedite, but honestly I dont think it will help and think its a waste of time. As my wife had more serious problems than your mother and the doctor wrote a very good letter stating that the one of the causes of her poor health is the absence of her husband. Well the embassy in simple word said, we dont give a rat's behind and we will take our own sweet time!

whats the number for DOS? Do the security checks ever goto Washington or what?

For people like Shonjaved who have been waiting almost 10 months, you should try filing a "Writ of Mandamus". A user on immigrate2us.net did it successfully, cutting down waiting time increasingly. I say anybody that has been waiting 8+ weeks should look into filing a "writ of mandamus" if you know your not a terrorist (haha).

I cant. the bottom line is security checks. as long as there are security checks I can do nothing.
The infamouse excuse " admin review". a Writ of Mandamus is used to compell the agency to make a
decision. in other words if they said They will issue the visa. made me wait some obscene time just to have the stamp in the passport. then I would for sure have grounds to file Writ of Mandamus. I dont think my situation is a canidate for Writ of Mandamus.

oh here is news...i email embassy and now they say admin review..hahah...the email is

This case is pending for administrative review. Once it is done, we will contact the beneficiary for the final processing of this case. The minimum time required for this processing is 45 days.We contact an applicant as soon as this processing is complete.
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paper says admin processing but they say admin review cos this is security check from DOS..,
best of luck for you guys..coming week

we told you that you were on AP/AR!.
look if you dont have VISA in HAND. that automaticly means 221g AP/AR and sometimes
they want more documents.

the number to DOS is 1-202-663-1225

I have a little list of the "visa specialists". I would much rather talk to the nice ones and just hang up on the butt wipes...

NICE: Jackie, Jennifer, Rochelle, Barbara
JERKS: Lauren or Warren rose
MORONS: Sue, TJ

Thanks, i'll keep the Morons in mind :-p.

new ones are : cicil

new option press # 3

aye at this moment

10 min hold time DOS.
its agood time to call.

I just got barbara, your right she is nice

I can't get through.. it keeps telling me they're helping others and to call back later....

Keep tryiing i got that the first time also , its about a 15 minute wait as of 20 minutes ago.

when it does that hang up and hit redial
you may have to do it 3 times.

I got JACKIE...

she said..
K-3 case was DELETED.. .)(*)^%&*$^%#@@#%#

case is still pending security clearance and then javed gets contacted.
I am also at a loss. I am thinking this case started the hell over on FEB 21st

Lets start taking bets on who omid gets

I'm on hold right now....

okay spoke with Jackie (for the first time) - she is very nice! she said still waiting on prints, and she only shows one security request... I could have sworn I saw three scribbled on a note in his file while at the embassy... heck if it is only one that's great... she said for the prints it's taking about 9-10 weeks ... well we're at exactly 9 weeks tomorrow... hopefully insha'Allah we'll get to the next step within a couple of weeks ????

barbara- thats whom she will talk to..

dayum it - I am too slow..lol

good luck. I am pondering how long this is gonna take us

" pondering - pondering "

now I gotta change my ticker tags.
how long you think it will take us? if you consider we started from
scratch from FEB 21. dayum dayum dayum.
any wild guesses?

i dunno maybe ask G. DUBYA

I did ask him he said " shut uuuuuuuup shonnie -dayum "

Scream at the automated system, I like to vent to them when they give me stupid answers like that. Keep calling them bastards, try pressing 0 it might get you through that.

" bass -tards "

How long do the prints take to enter the system? Our sources say that they are waiting on Islamabad to enter it in since Islamabad does it manually, it goes a bit slower.

WTF? then ask you sources.

"OUR SOURCES" are the workers at Islamabad Embassy lol when I asked the lady she said it was manual or something like that.

if you are talking full set of prints thats not how it works.

Well canuhandleit, if your father was told to submit fullset of FPs, The FPs are sent to the FBI in the mail. Thats how the enter it "manually"

depends on..
if the prints were taken ink or digital.
if ink sent in and its transposed to digital format.
if digital its sent straight to NVC then to FBI. its a quick step.
because, NVC dont document having received the prints.

It was INK

Yeah there we go. It was MAILED lol

whats Happend to the index finger prints? do they go to FBI section of finger prints clearness thorugh cable like full set?

Well Shon! The full set of finger prints are always done with ink at the Islamabad embassy. I dont have information about other embassies, even the biometrics in the US are also done on ink.

Only the index fingers are processed digitally. The finger Prints from the NVC are sent to the FP center in Clarksburgh West Virginia where they are processed!

I have to disagree. the website " pakistans" mention this :

Two fingerprints will be collected from each applicant by using a scanner. No ink will be used, and the process will take only seconds. Prints of the right and left index fingers of applicants will be taken.


I work for an airline! we use a finger print scanning machine. for all employees. it reads the prints and sets it to digital format. our machine is also linked to the FBI and etc.....
I forgot to add. cleared fingerprint checks are also located on the TSA website. but, its listed as numbers
so no real point in looking.
source:
http://usembassy.state.gov/pakistan/consular.html

you can disagree all you want! Because I KNOW that you do nothing but give mis information and act like you are a GOD of immigration! lol!

I have given finger prints! You havent. FBI FPs are collected on card with ink ( if full set is needed and then sent to FBI). How do I know? I submitted these FPs myself! and several members will agree to what I have to say!

I showed you the website.

oh man another fight?

He disputes me on everything all the time. He knows I will give him a run for his money!!

Hey hey Shon and Michigan Yaar Plz No Fights,

Let Me Explain
2 Index Fingerprints Were Taken by a Scanner as Shon mentioned, but the Full Set of Finger Prints Were Taken by ink And Paper.

a Pakistani man Took My Both Hanbds In his hands and Asked me to Little behind he Was holding my Fingers then put on ink then on paper, he Took many Sets on a Paper card.