They aren't the same person just like I'm neither one of them. Ewok can't decipher ISP/IP log data for the life of him, and didn't think beyond "troll" to figure that some people use VPN to log in to use the internet. KV is probably still disabled because she hasn't responded to Ewok's accusation yet, or figured when she got the accusatory email that she's better off without VJ.

Peezey I will make this easy. To imply I do not know what I am doing with server logs or internet IP's is off base -- sorry if that offends you. I went to college for this and it is my personal hobby. Please do not attack me. I do this as a living off the website in the real world and know my stuff.

Secondly their accounts had Identical IP's as "effortless" and other trolls which came to the board. There accounts were beyond a reasonable doubt associated with many other troll accounts. In total 4 previously banned troll accounts had the same IP's as those accounts. If my random chance they got the same IP as four other trolls than maybe they are unlucky but statistically that is highly improbable.

Also using a VPN unless their company has Comcast as their internet provider (and I mean comcast residential per the IP's) then you are also incorrect. VPN gets you into your corporate intranet and pipes you online from there using an IP from your companies internet connection. Unless comcast supplied their business internet (most corporations have their own entire blocks of IP's and would not use comcasts) then you are also incorrect.

Unless you see the logs that I see then you are speaking without anything to back you up other than your conspiracy stories. Sorry to get on you like this but you have slandered me in the past for being incorrect on things (as if it were fact) without having all the (or any) information. In this case especially you are WAY off base and I want to make it clear you are not speaking anything other than your incorrect opinion.

Peezey.. here is your evidence censored some to protect privacy:

IP: 24.removed.0.removed

All members that have used this:

Recently:
Kakya vstrecha!
ahmed2258

also used and...
previously banned: effortless
previously banned: collier
previously banned: aqoulp2

All had posts overlapping in time plus IP is semi static (dsl or cable and NOT dialup and randomly assigned).

Wow.
There's a surprise.

I actually am surprised. I had no idea that kakya vstrecha was the same person.

I never thought they were but I *did* think that she was married to effortless/vitr...whateverhisname was.

This very well may be the case. I am sorry if one person was not causing problems but the other was and there is no way to tell them apart (could share account). Sorry if this is the case but there really is no choice.

Good Looking out Cap'n

When you have to take this action do you send them something asking or explaining the situation giving them the option to say if this was two seperate people...

Email is sent with suspensions. Even if it was two people but they live in the same house and use the same computer then I have to ban it anyhow. How could one tell them apart and what good is a ban if I do not enforce it...

you don't know that it's two people so ya done good cap'n

yep just didnt know how suspensions work thanks for following up

just ask me

nice work, capt!

And where is it that you are going to apologize for accusing me of having anything to do with this crap? You know my IP doesn't start with a 24, yet you accused me of having the same IP as all these other users. I have slandered you in the past? Get over yourself.

I don't seem to recall you providing all this "evidence" when you disabled tiredandwornout, a user **I** brought to your attention as an obvious double posting ID.

Not to mention, Ewok, that I asked you numerous times over several offline emails to provide this evidence, and you refused saying it's policy not to do so, and then you post it here. Now that you are posting it, it is clear you were bluffing with me, since my IP doesn't start with 24 or a 2 or a 4 or anything near it.

I also told you over several emails, recently and in the past, collier/aqoul/efortless ARE the same poster. I met him here on VJ, and it was a different VJ member altogether who ID'ed him from his blog when he first posted here, not me.

Yes please back to topic. Peezey that IP was only one of theirs. Others start with different numbers. Also I did chose to release this with a censored IP after you publicly said I did not know what I was doing and they were not the same person.

you said:


So to make it very clear I posted enough information to show that they were indeed the same.

Wow @ the turn this thread took. Intrigue is fun !

It seems there was a mass "purge" in here. Unfortunately, it seems some hasty conclusions have been drawn.

I have come to know a bit more, and the record needs to be set straight. Maybe I will be banned forever for saying this, but:

#1. Kakya vstrecha is (or was) a genuine member (not a sock puppet.) She is married to ahmed2258. She and her husband went through the visa process, and are actually known to several members here who can confirm this (one VJer has already mentioned it in this very thread.) Kakya's views may not be popular, but she is not the same person as Aqoul, etc.

#2. Aqoul/Collier/Effortless/Pernicious Anemia/Vitiligo (I probably missed some other IDs) are most certainly the same person. His or her views were not very popular, either. But he/she is not "masquerading" as the persons mentioned in #1.

#3. Peezey is not the same person as either Kakya or Ahmed or Aqoul or any of these other characters. Again, her views may not be popular, but she is not the same person posting as either #1 or #2.

If you look at the history of each of these members' posts, along with the information in their profiles, it should be glaringly obvious that these are 3 entirely different individuals (or actually 4, counting ahmed who doesn't seem to post much.)

It is certainly up to the Administrators to decide who they want participating on their forum -- it's their board. However, to portray #1, #2 and #3 as the same person is very misleading. It may be an honest mistake, but it's still a mistake that should be acknowledged.

VJ has had a long history of "sock puppets" -- some are invented just for entertainment (like Ric Flair, for instance).... but as we all know, some are created simply in order to make disruptive or abusive posts (Matako and Risto come to mind,) or to appear as "supporting" certain members in their debates/opinions (tiredandwornout was an example of this.)

Note: It seems that Peezey was initially disabled, but is now reinstated, so I guess she has been deemed "not guilty."



-MK

Oh and congratulations Jen on getting a new date so soon !!

So then how on earth is it possible that KV and aquol etc. all had the same IP's??? I would think that if a mistake had been made that undisabling KV's account would have been a better course of action then making false accusations.
Like I said before, I thought that KV was a genuine member.


And of course peezey is none of these people. Thanks for setting the record straight on that!

Let's see, because **someone** isn't telling the truth and/or made a mistake? Since I was accused of being the same people, why isn't possible KV is being wrongly accused as well? The first accusation made toward me was, I have the same IP as them, and clearly I don't. There is a problem here, and it's not with KV in my opinion. Check how they post. Nothing like aqoul. Also, check the link to KVs sig pic. Would aqoul create a photobucket account called "i love ahmed"?? Hardly. But the person who undisables accounts refuses to go any further, it seems.

Yes, I think that's a good idea. I know I'm not done talking about it!

Maybe it's just me but I've always believed there is that unwritten rule of not dissin' the webmaster/board owner no matter what. . . especially in public. I gotta give the cap'n props for his patience in all of this 'cause if it were *my* board I'd have zero tolerance for that stuff. Just my opinion

If your account were to be disabled with the reason given that *you* were vitiligo, I'd stand up and say that wasn't true. And I'd hope that others would do the same for me. It's an issue of dragging someone's name through the mud who doesn't deserve it.

Oh, and stop kissing up....

hahaha. I'm not kissing up really...and yes I would be mad if my account was disabled for no good reason but I think I'd deal with it in pm. That's just my opinion though.

But you couldn't deal with it in a PM if you were disabled!

Anyway, IMO since it was publicly stated that KV and vitiligo were the same person, I think that it should be publicly stated if, in fact, it is discovered that they are not. Of course, I have no proof of anything....

This is all a load of crap. I personally know Peezey and know she would not spend the time to make up another account to post what she thinks. That being said and Peezey's account been restored, I think that the issue brought up is how the care needs to be taken in addressing these issues (and not simply going by rumor -- which in this case was inaccurate).

Bottom line. All the other members (KV, effortless, etc) shared identical IP's. There is no faking that or getting it wrong. Peezey had a very similar IP and I locked her account temporarily and requested she email back her side. She was offended and did give justification on why it was not her. That was all I was looking for. I unlocked her account promptly and that was that. I understand she is upset that I even 'thought' she might have been related to the other accounts however KV and the other accounts did share identical IP's so there is no confusion on that to be had.

I heard from someone whose husband speaks to Ahmed, suffice it to say, Ahmed isnt' aqoul (not that I ever thought he was). There is a mistake here, BOTTOM LINE. KV in Oregon, and aqoul/effortless whose blog is Lounsbury in the UK are not the same people.

My IP that starts with a 67.x is NOT nearly identical to the IP you posted of 24.x for KV, so let's quit with this line of crap. My IP doesn't have an 24 anywhere in it.

This is like some craaaaaazy puzzle!!!

I never thought peezey was any of them (although my inept inspector clouseau instincts at one point thought peezey was sarahandhicham ) but how in the name of sam hill can aquol be in the uk if he just filled out the interview papers for the moroccon embassy in january....................unless he got denied the visa and never came to the US?....in which case he's got some splainin' to do to brkngrl That is why I thought that KV was married to him 'cause her SO got his interview in January....aquoul filled out his interview forms (i.e. pkt 3) in january at same consulate......

I need my inspector hat to figure this one out.

Peezey. I have no clue why I feel like I have to defend myself to you. but I will post one more thing regarding IP's and you will see my point. After that the issue is closed. (see post in a few minutes)

IP's *'d out for privacy:

From logs:

same IP:

collier 24.**.*
effortless 24.*.*.*
Kakya vstrecha! 24.*.*.*



same IP:

aqoulp2 67.*.*.*
ahmed2258 67.*.*.*
effortless 67.*.*.*
Kakya vstrecha! 67.*.*.*




Maybe not what I posted earlier but I never posted all the log information nor should I need to. You are assuming a mile when I explained an inch.

BTW your 67.* comcast account is close to theirs. I will leave it at that. It is not exactly identical and I only closed your account temporarily to check that this was not the case. If you are upset that I could ever think it was you sorry. I made a decision based on evidence to close it pending your reply. I did not have an exact IP match and your reply at the time was enough to explain things and for me to immediately unlock you account. Just because you are upset that I did things this way does not give you reason to tell me I am incompetent. Again you do not see everything I do and you are making assumptions based on having ZERO access to what I see.

Oh and all those IP's are from the US and not overseas. They are all Comcast DSL/Cable and not a VPN. I suppose it is theoretically possible for comcast to have randomly reassigned an IP on several occasions between two VJ accounts for two different people within a few days of each other, however it seems statistically improbable.

Reading along this thread, it appears that perhaps what might have been best would be to approach the members involved to query, in private and in PM, if they are/were also posting as others. If they failed to answer or gave information that caused you to believe they were not being forthright, then diable the account. But to disable it first and investigate later...or place a member in a position to have to make efforts to reinstate themselves is just plain wrong. We've seen this happen about a month ago, and while my presence on here is of little importance, I can say that the way that was handled and the way that assertions that were made were never followed up on, is what has caused me to check this site less and less as days go by.

I am one of a group of long-time VJ members that all felt similarly. Many left at once. I remained here until now solely because of the individuals that post questions on here and in the forum in which I participate. I wanted to leave this board a month ago, but felt I couldn't because those folks would not be permitted to find me on another board where this sort of drama doesn't exist.

I don't know where you are Ewok, but in the USA there's something called "innocent until proved guilty". Might be wise to bear that in mind.

Unreal. And now KV has emailed you proof that her IP is not 67, but something else entirely. You are now lying, bottom line. Making this up as you go along, every time I say something, you add to the story. This is despicable.

The reason you feel you have to keep defending yourself is because you are wrong and you refuse to admit it. You are doing what DM said, shoot first, ask later. I asked you for proof the other night and you said it was against your policy to show this proof, but now you suddenly can post in this thread IP addresses? I get it now. You couldn't show me the other night so that you can make it up as you go along now trying to get out of this corner you painted yourself into.

I am locking this. No matter how much proof I post you will not believe me and there is clearly no way to overcome that. I bet if I gave access to the server logs to a third party you would accuse me of even having altered them. No way for me to win and plenty of room for you to keep this going indefinitely.

This topic is closed and I have given a full and complete explanation (far more than I needed to). Any further topics on this will be closed. You can PM me and I will continue there if you really really want.

Lol. I did not post IP addresses in this thread. I posted two digits and that is far from proof to a super skeptical person like you. I am not posting more due to the privacy policy.

It is all right here in the TOS:



Note the words reasonable grounds to suspect.