I have already done a medical in Glasgow when I did my K1 a couple of years ago - and it was ok.
Am I right in thinking that immigration law is only interested in infectious stuff like AIDS and tuberculosis and the various kinds of religious fundamentalism (joke)..plus drug use of course...
For instance, everyone has their blood pressure taken and all the other stuff which is part of a general health check but not likely to infect the pure bred human stock in the US with foreign germs, and I assume this is just to run the bill up and is not anything that could be taken into account under US immigration law.
It always made me laugh when they check that your bits and bobs are ok for K1 - I wonder how many USC fiancé's have not already done it with their foreign fiancés and therefore have all the bio creepy crawlies already - happily running round their bodies in the US !!! ? Apart from those based in Colorado, I reckon it's - well - the minority ? We will never know but it does seem daft..
and as for K3/cr1 - the US spouse must already share 100% of their spouses bio load and therefore the alien demon germs have already landed in the US...
I hear the sound of stable doors shutting after the horse has bolted
Back to the question - has anyone ever been rejected for smoking or high blood pressure or indeed un-dangerous mental illnesses (why are you looking at me)
alan
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QUOTE(saywhat @ May 15 2007, 03:21 AM) 
I have already done a medical in Glasgow when I did my K1 a couple of years ago - and it was ok.
Am I right in thinking that immigration law is only interested in infectious stuff like AIDS and tuberculosis and the various kinds of religious fundamentalism (joke)..plus drug use of course...
For instance, everyone has their blood pressure taken and all the other stuff which is part of a general health check but not likely to infect the pure bred human stock in the US with foreign germs, and I assume this is just to run the bill up and is not anything that could be taken into account under US immigration law.
It always made me laugh when they check that your bits and bobs are ok for K1 - I wonder how many USC fiancé's have not already done it with their foreign fiancés and therefore have all the bio creepy crawlies already - happily running round their bodies in the US !!! ? Apart from those based in Colorado, I reckon it's - well - the minority ? We will never know but it does seem daft..
and as for K3/cr1 - the US spouse must already share 100% of their spouses bio load and therefore the alien demon germs have already landed in the US...
I hear the sound of stable doors shutting after the horse has bolted
Back to the question - has anyone ever been rejected for smoking or high blood pressure or indeed un-dangerous mental illnesses (why are you looking at me)
alan
Am I right in thinking that immigration law is only interested in infectious stuff like AIDS and tuberculosis and the various kinds of religious fundamentalism (joke)..plus drug use of course...
For instance, everyone has their blood pressure taken and all the other stuff which is part of a general health check but not likely to infect the pure bred human stock in the US with foreign germs, and I assume this is just to run the bill up and is not anything that could be taken into account under US immigration law.
It always made me laugh when they check that your bits and bobs are ok for K1 - I wonder how many USC fiancé's have not already done it with their foreign fiancés and therefore have all the bio creepy crawlies already - happily running round their bodies in the US !!! ? Apart from those based in Colorado, I reckon it's - well - the minority ? We will never know but it does seem daft..
and as for K3/cr1 - the US spouse must already share 100% of their spouses bio load and therefore the alien demon germs have already landed in the US...
I hear the sound of stable doors shutting after the horse has bolted
Back to the question - has anyone ever been rejected for smoking or high blood pressure or indeed un-dangerous mental illnesses (why are you looking at me)
alan
Hehehe I'm not looking at you I'm looking to what you wrote... But huh mental illnesses???
i dont think so!!.. peace
Hi Alan
By what I have read on VJ and other bits and bobs I do not think minor mental illness is a problem, nor is smoking normal fags or even the odd drink. I think you know the answers already as you have like me been through it all before, we should have inspected by and approved by US immigration stamped on our foreheads.
Janice
By what I have read on VJ and other bits and bobs I do not think minor mental illness is a problem, nor is smoking normal fags or even the odd drink. I think you know the answers already as you have like me been through it all before, we should have inspected by and approved by US immigration stamped on our foreheads.
Janice
I heard of a case where untreated high blood pressure prevented someone from getting a visa initially, so it's probably a bigger deal than you think.
I think the reason they do so many health checks is because they don't want American taxpayers to have to fund healthcare for an unhealthy immigrant. The US does have a public healthcare system and in some areas (usually those with high rates of poverty and/or illegal immigration) it is so cripplingly expensive to run that some hospitals may actually have to be shut down.
This is just my guess as to why they do it.
I think the reason they do so many health checks is because they don't want American taxpayers to have to fund healthcare for an unhealthy immigrant. The US does have a public healthcare system and in some areas (usually those with high rates of poverty and/or illegal immigration) it is so cripplingly expensive to run that some hospitals may actually have to be shut down.
This is just my guess as to why they do it.
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 10:31 AM)
I heard of a case where untreated high blood pressure prevented someone from getting a visa initially, so it's probably a bigger deal than you think.
I think the reason they do so many health checks is because they don't want American taxpayers to have to fund healthcare for an unhealthy immigrant. The US does have a public healthcare system and in some areas (usually those with high rates of poverty and/or illegal immigration) it is so cripplingly expensive to run that some hospitals may actually have to be shut down.
This is just my guess as to why they do it.
I think the reason they do so many health checks is because they don't want American taxpayers to have to fund healthcare for an unhealthy immigrant. The US does have a public healthcare system and in some areas (usually those with high rates of poverty and/or illegal immigration) it is so cripplingly expensive to run that some hospitals may actually have to be shut down.
This is just my guess as to why they do it.
That's really interesting ! - if that is a consideration, then fatties and motorbike riders and jay walkers and provocative big mouths would be high risk on the US health provisions also..... (I am all of those)
hum - think i will keep quiet if they ask me about high risk stuff....
I will take some cialis the night before - that drops blood pressure 30 points - but taking it can be detected without even a blood test unfortunately
alan
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/inel...ities_1364.html
Classes of Aliens Ineligible for Visas or Admission.-Except as otherwise provided in this Act, aliens who are inadmissible under the following paragraphs are ineligible to receive visas and ineligible to be admitted to the United States:
(1) Health-related grounds.-
(A) In general.-Any alien-
(i) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to have a communicable disease of public health significance, which shall include infection with the etiologic agent for acquired immune deficiency syndrome,
(ii) except as provided in subparagraph © who seeks admission as an immigrant, or who seeks adjustment of status to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence, and who has failed to present documentation of having received vaccination against vaccine-preventable diseases, which shall include at least the following diseases: mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B, and any other vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices,
(iii) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services in consultation with the Attorney General)-
(I) to have a physical or mental disorder and behavior associated with the disorder that may pose, or has posed, a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others, or
(II) to have had a physical or mental disorder and a history of behavior associated with the disorder, which behavior has posed a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others and which behavior is likely to recur or to lead to other harmful behavior, or
(iv) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to be a drug abuser or addict, is inadmissible.
Classes of Aliens Ineligible for Visas or Admission.-Except as otherwise provided in this Act, aliens who are inadmissible under the following paragraphs are ineligible to receive visas and ineligible to be admitted to the United States:
(1) Health-related grounds.-
(A) In general.-Any alien-
(i) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to have a communicable disease of public health significance, which shall include infection with the etiologic agent for acquired immune deficiency syndrome,
(ii) except as provided in subparagraph © who seeks admission as an immigrant, or who seeks adjustment of status to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence, and who has failed to present documentation of having received vaccination against vaccine-preventable diseases, which shall include at least the following diseases: mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B, and any other vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices,
(iii) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services in consultation with the Attorney General)-
(I) to have a physical or mental disorder and behavior associated with the disorder that may pose, or has posed, a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others, or
(II) to have had a physical or mental disorder and a history of behavior associated with the disorder, which behavior has posed a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others and which behavior is likely to recur or to lead to other harmful behavior, or
(iv) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to be a drug abuser or addict, is inadmissible.
Good one kitty !
so really you have to be infectious or barking mad
so being a likely burden on the public hospitals is not a factor ! excellent data well done.
I wonder if the untreated blood pressure case was an urban myth or whether it was high cos he didnt want his wife to know they had found the you know what !
so really you have to be infectious or barking mad
so being a likely burden on the public hospitals is not a factor ! excellent data well done.
I wonder if the untreated blood pressure case was an urban myth or whether it was high cos he didnt want his wife to know they had found the you know what !
In addition to the specific medical grounds of inadmissibility, where they're primarily concerned with contagious stuff that could make people sick here in the US, health is also a factor in the public charge grounds of admissibility:
INA 212 (4) Public charge.-
(A) In general.-Any alien who, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of application for a visa, or in the opinion of the Attorney General at the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible.
(B) Factors to be taken into account.-
(i) In determining whether an alien is excludable under this paragraph, the consular officer or the Attorney General shall at a minimum consider the alien's-
(I) age;
(II) health;
(III) family status;
(IV) assets, resources, and financial status; and
(V) educaltion and skills
They have grounds in the statute to deny a visa if they believe your health conditions will make it difficult for you to be employed, or will require you to spend so much for medical care that you can't afford to support yourself.
INA 212 (4) Public charge.-
(A) In general.-Any alien who, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of application for a visa, or in the opinion of the Attorney General at the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible.
(B) Factors to be taken into account.-
(i) In determining whether an alien is excludable under this paragraph, the consular officer or the Attorney General shall at a minimum consider the alien's-
(I) age;
(II) health;
(III) family status;
(IV) assets, resources, and financial status; and
(V) educaltion and skills
They have grounds in the statute to deny a visa if they believe your health conditions will make it difficult for you to be employed, or will require you to spend so much for medical care that you can't afford to support yourself.
(I) to have a physical or mental disorder and behavior associated with the disorder that may pose, or has posed, a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others, or
(II) to have had a physical or mental disorder and a history of behavior associated with the disorder, which behavior has posed a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others and which behavior is likely to recur or to lead to other harmful behavior, or
(iv) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to be a drug abuser or addict, is inadmissible.
Uh? "physical disorder" ??? Does that mean handicaps in PC terms?
Also what would these mental or physical disorders listed be? Epilepsy can be a danger for the person itself, and I imagine it would qualify as a 'physical disorder' as I see it.. autism and asperger and add would be classifiable under harmful behavior .. Sexual orientation probably in some states... smoking cigarettes is a behavior that may pose threat to property or welfare of the alien or the others ... being obese is a harmful behavior that can pose a threat to the health etc. And so on and so on...
(II) to have had a physical or mental disorder and a history of behavior associated with the disorder, which behavior has posed a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others and which behavior is likely to recur or to lead to other harmful behavior, or
(iv) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to be a drug abuser or addict, is inadmissible.
Uh? "physical disorder" ??? Does that mean handicaps in PC terms?
Also what would these mental or physical disorders listed be? Epilepsy can be a danger for the person itself, and I imagine it would qualify as a 'physical disorder' as I see it.. autism and asperger and add would be classifiable under harmful behavior .. Sexual orientation probably in some states... smoking cigarettes is a behavior that may pose threat to property or welfare of the alien or the others ... being obese is a harmful behavior that can pose a threat to the health etc. And so on and so on...
Summary - Basically they have lots of stuff they can refuse you on if they think you will infect the herd or cost em money - or they can use these excuses if they don't like your politics just like they put al capone in alcatraz for tax evasion....
It's amazing that the UK let my USC wife into the UK as a resident with a 10 minute interview in chicago and no health check, even though the UK is a haven of healthy people compared to the US with it's AIDS problems and millions in jail....
Anyway, isn't it all irrelevant when foreigners can enter the USA (and it's citizens) as visitors for months at a time and do all the infecting and mental rampaging they want without any prior health checks...(and become a public charge if they have no insurance or money)
I suppose these regulations were drawn up before the jet age when people didn't pop in and out on visits...
ok so the answer is that they can stop you if you are infectious and they can stop you if you are dangerously nuts and they can stop you if have a health condition unless you are very rich and can afford to be sick without becoming a public charge - and then they can't.
It's amazing that the UK let my USC wife into the UK as a resident with a 10 minute interview in chicago and no health check, even though the UK is a haven of healthy people compared to the US with it's AIDS problems and millions in jail....
Anyway, isn't it all irrelevant when foreigners can enter the USA (and it's citizens) as visitors for months at a time and do all the infecting and mental rampaging they want without any prior health checks...(and become a public charge if they have no insurance or money)
I suppose these regulations were drawn up before the jet age when people didn't pop in and out on visits...
ok so the answer is that they can stop you if you are infectious and they can stop you if you are dangerously nuts and they can stop you if have a health condition unless you are very rich and can afford to be sick without becoming a public charge - and then they can't.
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 15 2007, 10:52 AM)
That's really interesting ! - if that is a consideration, then fatties and motorbike riders and jay walkers and provocative big mouths would be high risk on the US health provisions also..... (I am all of those)
They're high risk anywhere.
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hum - think i will keep quiet if they ask me about high risk stuff....
No, you have to tell the truth. I've never heard of someone being rejected for being overweight or a biker. They do a bunch of blood tests anyway, so they'll find out if you have HIV/Hep C. I'm not sure they do routine drug screenings, but if you're taking drugs now would be an excellent time to stop.
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I will take some cialis the night before - that drops blood pressure 30 points - but taking it can be detected without even a blood test unfortunately
alan
alan
I wouldn't do that if I were you. If you have high blood pressure and it's not being treated, I recommend seeing your doctor who may prescribe medication to control it. In the USA doctors are sometimes very aggressive in treating hypertension and once someone gets to about 130/90, they start really pushing lifestyle change/medication. In the UK your systolic has to hit 140 before they start to get worried, according to my GP. Taking pills for hypertension isn't the end of the world. If you have high blood pressure but it's normal when you're on meds, you'd probably be OK.
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 15 2007, 11:04 AM)
Good one kitty !
so really you have to be infectious or barking mad
so being a likely burden on the public hospitals is not a factor ! excellent data well done.
I wonder if the untreated blood pressure case was an urban myth or whether it was high cos he didnt want his wife to know they had found the you know what !
so really you have to be infectious or barking mad
so being a likely burden on the public hospitals is not a factor ! excellent data well done.
I wonder if the untreated blood pressure case was an urban myth or whether it was high cos he didnt want his wife to know they had found the you know what !
I wouldn't have said it if I thought it was untrue.
They can actually deny you for things other than infectious diseases or mental disorders...I hate to break it to you. That comes straight from the FAQs on this very site.
QUOTE(yum @ May 15 2007, 07:01 PM)
Also what would these mental or physical disorders listed be? Epilepsy can be a danger for the person itself, and I imagine it would qualify as a 'physical disorder' as I see it.. autism and asperger and add would be classifiable under harmful behavior .. Sexual orientation probably in some states... smoking cigarettes is a behavior that may pose threat to property or welfare of the alien or the others ... being obese is a harmful behavior that can pose a threat to the health etc. And so on and so on...
What makes you think people with Asperger's are likely to harm themselves or other people? I have Asperger's.
I'm waiting.
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 02:23 AM)
Summary - Basically they have lots of stuff they can refuse you on if they think you will infect the herd or cost em money - or they can use these excuses if they don't like your politics just like they put al capone in alcatraz for tax evasion....
No; it's not like that at all. Infectious diseases do present public health problems, so we're well within our rights to keep people like that out of the USA until they're no longer a threat to public health. Judging from some of the comments from Europeans here who now live in the USA, I don't think they use left-wing politics to keep people out.
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It's amazing that the UK let my USC wife into the UK as a resident with a 10 minute interview in chicago and no health check, even though the UK is a haven of healthy people compared to the US with it's AIDS problems and millions in jail....
Eh...have you seen the spiraling rates of TB in the UK? Also, immigrants (regardless of status) and visitors cost the NHS millions of pounds every year. The UK absolutely should do health checks on immigrants. That it doesn't is completely insane. Also, having lived in the UK for six years I strongly disagree that it's a haven of healthy people. That simply isn't true. It has some of the worst cancer survival rates in Europe and is often worse than the USA with its big bad private healthcare system. Diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, etc. are all epidemic here...and the UK is worse than the USA in terms of diseases caused by alcohol. Healthy? Hardly. Right now I'd say overall it is marginally better than the USA, and that's WITH universal, free-at-the-point-of-use healthcare. Clearly, the NHS needs to do better!
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Anyway, isn't it all irrelevant when foreigners can enter the USA (and it's citizens) as visitors for months at a time and do all the infecting and mental rampaging they want without any prior health checks...(and become a public charge if they have no insurance or money)
*shrug* You'd have to ask the government about that one. You couldn't require a £200 health check for every tourist. Nobody would ever visit. They have to balance economic considerations against public health considerations. I suppose this is why immigrants get medical exams and tourists don't.
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I suppose these regulations were drawn up before the jet age when people didn't pop in and out on visits...
I'd be surprised if they were not revised within the last five years.
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ok so the answer is that they can stop you if you are infectious and they can stop you if you are dangerously nuts and they can stop you if have a health condition unless you are very rich and can afford to be sick without becoming a public charge - and then they can't.
Please, let's not be overly dramatic.
They CAN flunk you on the medical. That doesn't mean that they WILL. People rarely fail the medical exam; if you're going to be denied a visa, it's almost always for something else.
If your BP is 300/200, they very well may deny you. If it's 150/100, you'll most likely be fine...or they may ask your GP to write to them with an explanation. If you have a history of depression, you'll be asked for a letter. If you're a paranoid schizophrenic with violent tendencies, count on being denied. If you have stage 4 cancer, count on a denial. If you go in there high on coke, count on being denied.
The point I'm trying to make (because I'm very pedantic, it's because I'm an Aspie) is that they can deny you for more than just infectious diseases or mental disorders. I'm not saying you're going to be denied, though if you shared more info with us I'm sure people here could give you a better idea of what your chances are. If you're just an overweight biker, I would not worry.
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 16 2007, 08:48 AM)
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 15 2007, 10:52 AM)
That's really interesting ! - if that is a consideration, then fatties and motorbike riders and jay walkers and provocative big mouths would be high risk on the US health provisions also..... (I am all of those)
They're high risk anywhere.
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hum - think i will keep quiet if they ask me about high risk stuff....
No, you have to tell the truth. I've never heard of someone being rejected for being overweight or a biker. They do a bunch of blood tests anyway, so they'll find out if you have HIV/Hep C. I'm not sure they do routine drug screenings, but if you're taking drugs now would be an excellent time to stop.
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I will take some cialis the night before - that drops blood pressure 30 points - but taking it can be detected without even a blood test unfortunately
alan
alan
I wouldn't do that if I were you. If you have high blood pressure and it's not being treated, I recommend seeing your doctor who may prescribe medication to control it. In the USA doctors are sometimes very aggressive in treating hypertension and once someone gets to about 130/90, they start really pushing lifestyle change/medication. In the UK your systolic has to hit 140 before they start to get worried, according to my GP. Taking pills for hypertension isn't the end of the world. If you have high blood pressure but it's normal when you're on meds, you'd probably be OK.
Never done any drugs/never smoked/ never had any health condition not caused by indian curries. I have enough dosh to pay my own way forever without food stamps or hand outs...
I think the health industry in the US (and coming to the UK)is quite happy to dope people down to keep em living in a zombified style while costing peanuts to the insurance companies so they can rake in the insurance premiums for an extra 20 years.. the whole ethos is different in the US and based on profit margins and rich life styles for doctors who are regarded as gods.... it's all about money and I can't see much ethics or genuine patient interest - so I reckon I will make my own decisions in my own health interests which has kept me problem free for 60 years come november... I have worked with men on beta blockers who live miserable dull lives, repeat themselves and have vacant smiles and hydraulics problems, so economics based blood pressure standards are not for me...and the other 2 newer angio drug groups are not side effect free and will probably lead to problems in 10 years - wait and see !
I can always nip back the UK (best country in the world said Tony Blair this week) and get patched up for nothing...
Anyway, 3 score years and 10 (plus tax) will do me and I can do without being a 90 year old medicare dependant drug pickle
ok going to lay down in a dark room and prepare for the medical...
ps doctors have the highest illegal drug use and suicide rate of any profession so lets hope he/she is not high when they do it
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 03:30 AM)
Never done any drugs/never smoked/ never had any health condition not caused by indian curries. I have enough dosh to pay my own way forever without food stamps or hand outs...
Sounds like you'll be OK then.
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I think the health industry in the US (and coming to the UK)is quite happy to dope people down to keep em living in a zombified style while costing peanuts to the insurance companies so they can rake in the insurance premiums for an extra 20 years.. the whole ethos is different in the US and based on profit margins and rich life styles for doctors who are regarded as gods.... it's all about money and I can't see much ethics or genuine patient interest - so I reckon I will make my own decisions in my own health interests which has kept me problem free for 60 years come november... I have worked with men on beta blockers who live miserable dull lives, repeat themselves and have vacant smiles and hydraulics problems, so economics based blood pressure standards are not for me...and the other 2 newer angio drug groups are not side effect free and will probably lead to problems in 10 years - wait and see !
*shrug* I have my own issues with the US healthcare system, but I don't think it's as dark and conspiratorial as you think it is. My first job after uni was in a medical school and I got to know the fourth-year students very well. A couple of them said they were looking forward to making piles of money, but you'd be surprised how many of them were gunning for residencies in areas of medicine that aren't well-paid, such as public health and family practice.
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I can always nip back the UK (best country in the world said Tony Blair this week) and get patched up for nothing...
Actually, I don't think you can; even though you're a UKC I don't believe you're legally entitled to NHS care once you become a permanent resident in the USA. That's not to say you couldn't get away with it, but you would essentially be stealing from people like me, who actually PAY for the system.
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Anyway, 3 score years and 10 (plus tax) will do me and I can do without being a 90 year old medicare dependant drug pickle
ok going to lay down in a dark room and prepare for the medical...
ps doctors have the highest illegal drug use and suicide rate of any profession so lets hope he/she is not high when they do it
ok going to lay down in a dark room and prepare for the medical...
ps doctors have the highest illegal drug use and suicide rate of any profession so lets hope he/she is not high when they do it
It sounds to me like you sort of have a chip on your shoulder about the USA; are you sure you actually want to live there? I can't wait to leave the UK, but I didn't have a bad attitude about it when I first got here.
It took a few years for me to start to dislike it.
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It sounds to me like you sort of have a chip on your shoulder about the USA; are you sure you actually want to live there? I can't wait to leave the UK, but I didn't have a bad attitude about it when I first got here. It took a few years for me to start to dislike it.
It took a few years for me to start to dislike it.I paid AT LEAST £24k tax plus NI per year for many decades so I think I am morally entitled to come back to the UK and get my wart zapped for free - so you won't be paying for it really and I know I should be resident again strictly
Yes I see bad things about most aspects of government in the USA and UK - but I can get a cheaper house/gas/car/speedboat/motorbike in the US so that's where I need to be - as long as some freaky church doesn't start tithing me I will be up on the deal.
(got to add that those are secondary to my US spouse's desire - she can't parallel park in England and the pretzel packs aren't big enough - so she wants to go back)
The biggest problem about the US is the average American's refusal to hear anything bad about America without clutching their left breast and closing their eyes and singing the star spangled banner - I find it quite nieve and childlike and I really don't mind it or even notice it now having spent 18 months in Wisconsin.....many Americans are still turning on the telly to see if the WMD's have been found yet. I am not going to change the mind of anyone who was brainwashed at kindergarten so I don't even try to ask them to take an unbiased world view.
I am not anti-American just anti bad things - but that doesn't matter as many Americans (or Brits) can't make that distinction and I will probably get shot like John Lennon or Kennedy or Martin or even Abe if I say I don't like something
I reckon my mouth is the most dangerous health hazard in the land of free speech and the most likely to land me in the emergency room - so I will try and zip it during the medical...
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 16 2007, 07:59 AM)
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 15 2007, 11:04 AM)
Good one kitty !
so really you have to be infectious or barking mad
so being a likely burden on the public hospitals is not a factor ! excellent data well done.
I wonder if the untreated blood pressure case was an urban myth or whether it was high cos he didnt want his wife to know they had found the you know what !
so really you have to be infectious or barking mad
so being a likely burden on the public hospitals is not a factor ! excellent data well done.
I wonder if the untreated blood pressure case was an urban myth or whether it was high cos he didnt want his wife to know they had found the you know what !
I wouldn't have said it if I thought it was untrue.
They can actually deny you for things other than infectious diseases or mental disorders...I hate to break it to you. That comes straight from the FAQs on this very site.
QUOTE(yum @ May 15 2007, 07:01 PM)
Also what would these mental or physical disorders listed be? Epilepsy can be a danger for the person itself, and I imagine it would qualify as a 'physical disorder' as I see it.. autism and asperger and add would be classifiable under harmful behavior .. Sexual orientation probably in some states... smoking cigarettes is a behavior that may pose threat to property or welfare of the alien or the others ... being obese is a harmful behavior that can pose a threat to the health etc. And so on and so on...
What makes you think people with Asperger's are likely to harm themselves or other people? I have Asperger's.
I'm waiting.
I've got it too. When I say something stupid without realizing it it can have bad or 'harmful' consequences on others (or me depending on outcome). Trying to guess what people are most likely thinking / feeling doesn't always help get a good outcome.
I guess I'd classify it myself under the 'mental disorder' for its definition. Or brain chemistry hiccup or wiring issue = physical?
If someone has a a child with a low IQ (like below 50) how can they prove that it is no mental or physical disorder there?
and what about (animal like a donkey)-purgers disease ? any un-obese American is likely to be one of those...
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 04:32 AM)
I paid AT LEAST £24k tax plus NI per year for many decades so I think I am morally entitled to come back to the UK and get my wart zapped for free - so you won't be paying for it really and I know I should be resident again strictly
Heh...that doesn't matter. Read this:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/family...eoplefromabroad
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Yes I see bad things about most aspects of government in the USA and UK - but I can get a cheaper house/gas/car/speedboat/motorbike in the US so that's where I need to be - as long as some freaky church doesn't start tithing me I will be up on the deal.
(got to add that those are secondary to my US spouse's desire - she can't parallel park in England and the pretzel packs aren't big enough - so she wants to go back)
(got to add that those are secondary to my US spouse's desire - she can't parallel park in England and the pretzel packs aren't big enough - so she wants to go back)
I'm assuming you're kidding.
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The biggest problem about the US is the average American's refusal to hear anything bad about America without clutching their left breast and closing their eyes and singing the star spangled banner - I find it quite nieve and childlike and I really don't mind it or even notice it now having spent 18 months in Wisconsin.....many Americans are still turning on the telly to see if the WMD's have been found yet. I am not going to change the mind of anyone who was brainwashed at kindergarten so I don't even try to ask them to take an unbiased world view.
Must be the people you hang out with. A lot of Americans don't like hearing foreigners bash their country, but many of us are quite prepared to A.) bash it ourselves or B.) listen to bashings from other Americans/people who've spent longer than 18 months in the USA.
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I am not anti-American just anti bad things - but that doesn't matter as many Americans (or Brits) can't make that distinction and I will probably get shot like John Lennon or Kennedy or Martin or even Abe if I say I don't like something
I reckon my mouth is the most dangerous health hazard in the land of free speech and the most likely to land me in the emergency room - so I will try and zip it during the medical...
I reckon my mouth is the most dangerous health hazard in the land of free speech and the most likely to land me in the emergency room - so I will try and zip it during the medical...
Well...if you think we're all stupid, naive, and intolerant...do you really think putting up with such irritating morons is worth having a cheaper house or a boat?
QUOTE(yum @ May 16 2007, 04:32 AM)
I've got it too. When I say something stupid without realizing it it can have bad or 'harmful' consequences on others (or me depending on outcome). Trying to guess what people are most likely thinking / feeling doesn't always help get a good outcome.
I guess I'd classify it myself under the 'mental disorder' for its definition. Or brain chemistry hiccup or wiring issue = physical?
I guess I'd classify it myself under the 'mental disorder' for its definition. Or brain chemistry hiccup or wiring issue = physical?
Well, I suppose that's where you and I part ways. I don't consider it a 'harmful' condition in any way shape or form, and I don't consider it to be a disorder either.
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If someone has a a child with a low IQ (like below 50) how can they prove that it is no mental or physical disorder there?
People with Asperger's almost always have average/above average IQs so it's a moot point. I'm in Mensa, so I guess I'm not retarded.
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If someone has a a child with a low IQ (like below 50) how can they prove that it is no mental or physical disorder there?
People with Asperger's almost always have average/above average IQs so it's a moot point. I'm in Mensa, so I guess I'm not retarded.
I meant the retardedness as a totally different case scenario. When someone doesn't have adhd, asperger or ANYTHING else, just an IQ that qualifies him for being a retard. Would or could they refuse someone's kid if it's got a mental handicap like a very low IQ?
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Well...if you think we're all stupid, naive, and intolerant...do you really think putting up with such irritating morons is worth having a cheaper house or a boat?
YES !!! I LOURVE my toys and I would even move to France if I could get em for the US price....you didn't think I was moving to the US so I could buy a 9mm pistol in Walmart or have more churches to choose from did you ?
I can say without doubt that all the yanquis are not morons (my wife might read this and my chips would be cut off)
Actually I found wonderful, intelligent, caring, knowledgeable , sensitive people in Wisconsin and Wisconsin radio is better than UK radio and I listen to it on the net most days - I know there are many aspects to America and Americans - and some are repulsive (eg torture)and some are lovely (Donna Summer's botty) - but I love to provoke blind patriots and blind religious folk - they need to be made to THINK - and it's my mission - I hear voices telling me so (I won't mention that at the medical either)
I will do great in America and if I survive assassination attempts for 3 years, I will naturalize and then vote to throw all the green-carders out -
oh dear back to the emergency room....
Actually we are getting a bit off subject and need to be in the 'other ' forum, but no, If I can conceal my ebola virus and the voices, I am going to love living in the US - and with their simple approach to how things are 'proved' with bits of paper, it means that with adobe photoshop and a decent printer I can get away with anything there (joking)
QUOTE(yum @ May 16 2007, 05:00 AM)
I meant the retardedness as a totally different case scenario. When someone doesn't have adhd, asperger or ANYTHING else, just an IQ that qualifies him for being a retard. Would or could they refuse someone's kid if it's got a mental handicap like a very low IQ?
I never said they would. I really don't know if they would or not. I'm guessing that mentally retarded children are admissible since they can certainly be naturalized, so it would seem asinine if they were inadmissible. Whether they'd need a waiver or not, I don't know.
P.S. People with special children usually don't like it when their kids are referred to as 'retards'.
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P.S. People with special children usually don't like it when their kids are referred to as 'retards'.
No George Bush Senior hates it...
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 05:11 AM)
YES !!! I LOURVE my toys and I would even move to France if I could get em for the US price....you didn't think I was moving to the US so I could buy a 9mm pistol in Walmart or have more churches to choose from did you ?
Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really care what your reasons were.
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I can say without doubt that all the yanquis are not morons (my wife might read this and my chips would be cut off)
Wow, I'm swooning and going weak at the knees...a Brit thinks we're not ALL stupid!
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Actually I found wonderful, intelligent, caring, knowledgeable , sensitive people in Wisconsin and Wisconsin radio is better than UK radio and I listen to it on the net most days - I know there are many aspects to America and Americans - and some are repulsive (eg torture)and some are lovely (Donna Summer's botty) - but I love to provoke blind patriots and blind religious folk - they need to be made to THINK - and it's my mission - I hear voices telling me so (I won't mention that at the medical either)
I will do great in America and if I survive assassination attempts for 3 years, I will naturalize and then vote to throw all the green-carders out -
oh dear back to the emergency room....
I will do great in America and if I survive assassination attempts for 3 years, I will naturalize and then vote to throw all the green-carders out -
oh dear back to the emergency room....
Somehow I don't think people are going to care enough about your opinions to try to silence you.
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Actually we are getting a bit off subject and need to be in the 'other ' forum, but no, If I can conceal my ebola virus and the voices, I am going to love living in the US - and with their simple approach to how things are 'proved' with bits of paper, it means that with adobe photoshop and a decent printer I can get away with anything there (joking)
Mmm kay.
I detect some hostility now to our merry prance, so in the interests of maintaining peace, I should exit stage left before the B52's appear over my house in the time honoured style
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 05:31 AM)
I detect some hostility now to our merry prance, so in the interests of maintaining peace, I should exit stage left before the B52's appear over my house in the time honoured style
Nope, I'm not being hostile at all...I just find you a bit strange. I'm pretty strange myself.
I said I don't care what your reasons were for immigrating because it's true. The US government is who gets to decide if your reasons are good enough, not me.
I don't really care why anyone here immigrates; I don't find it relevant when trying to help them or answer their questions. It's not personal.
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Nope, I'm not being hostile at all...I just find you a bit strange.
WHAT !!!!! Only a BIT strange - now that is offensive !
I have spend decades working on getting this loony for you - and you say 'A BIT ' !!!!!
This is what I mean about many Americans - they are so charmingly unwordly when it comes to playfull banter and can be easily mislead by it... so earnest ! You will have noticed that the UK is cynic banter central and I was brought up in it - it's just a different style that's all and people are people.
I still haven't trained my American wife and I have 3 bread knives sticking out of my back and no front teeth to prove it !
My brother in law asked me about my church and I said 'Well you have to realise that Europe is basically a post-religious society'
I can still see the look on his face as he grappled with that one - it was like beelzebub had won but the world was still turning - and how could that be ?
My dad was the same - when the jehovah's knocked on our door and
said 'We are Jehovah's witnesses' - he said 'why what has he done ' ?
This is just our style - I am sure you will have noticed - so dont fret I will be a model American apart from drinking beer out of a cooler on the beach -- !
I might even not evade taxes if they stop torturing
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 05:52 AM)
This is what I mean about many Americans - they are so charmingly unwordly when it comes to playfull banter and can be easily mislead by it... so earnest ! You will have noticed that the UK is cynic banter central and I was brought up in it - it's just a different style that's all and people are people.
I don't agree that being cynical and being worldly are the same thing. I find the cynicism in the UK pretty irritating sometimes.
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I still haven't trained my American wife and I have 3 bread knives sticking out of my back and no front teeth to prove it !
My brother in law asked me about my church and I said 'Well you have to realise that Europe is basically a post-religious society'
I can still see the look on his face as he grappled with that one - it was like beelzebub had won but the world was still turning - and how could that be ?
My brother in law asked me about my church and I said 'Well you have to realise that Europe is basically a post-religious society'
I can still see the look on his face as he grappled with that one - it was like beelzebub had won but the world was still turning - and how could that be ?
It could have been because you're wrong. Some European countries are very secular, while some are still very religious...in some cases more so than the United States, at least in terms of letting the church make laws. Just look at Ireland. Look at Poland. Look at Italy.
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My dad was the same - when the jehovah's knocked on our door and
said 'We are Jehovah's witnesses' - he said 'why what has he done ' ?
said 'We are Jehovah's witnesses' - he said 'why what has he done ' ?
When the JWs come round to mine, I just ask them one simple question before they can even open their mouths: Is this about Jesus? If they say yes, I shut the door. And lock it, just to be cheeky.
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This is just our style - I am sure you will have noticed - so dont fret I will be a model American apart from drinking beer out of a cooler on the beach -- !
I'm not fretting; we're going to Texas, not Wisconsin, so we won't have to put up with you anyway.
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It could have been because you're wrong. Some European countries are very secular, while some are still very religious...in some cases more so than the United States, at least in terms of letting the church make laws. Just look at Ireland. Look at Poland. Look at Italy.
I'm not fretting; we're going to Texas, not Wisconsin, so we won't have to put up with you anyway.
I'm not fretting; we're going to Texas, not Wisconsin, so we won't have to put up with you anyway.
Italy has the lowest birth rate in Europe - a country where the only pill that's allowed is the one you hold between your knees- somebody is not practicing what they preach or not much is going on there wink wink....
Texas ain't far - Crawford ? Waco ? my pal lives in Georgia and I am driving there to get my green card from him (If I pass the medical - hee hee ha ha)
If he is out I will make my own - would you like a spare one for hubby ? tell me his 'A' number when it's assigned and I will do one with an Oprah watermark so they know it's genuine......
Seriously - you are right of course and the UK ragging can be a bit wearing -when you are an earnest person - but you will be horrified to know that you will actually miss it sometimes when you are Texas roping them thar dogies - something will have rubbed off on you as Bill was fond of saying..
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 06:41 AM)
Italy has the lowest birth rate in Europe - a country where the only pill that's allowed is the one you hold between your knees- somebody is not practicing what they preach or not much is going on there wink wink....
Possibly, but it's still pretty religious.
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Texas ain't far - Crawford ? Waco ? my pal lives in Georgia and I am driving there to get my green card from him (If I pass the medical - hee hee ha ha)
You'd drive for a day to get from Wisconsin to Texas. We're going to Dallas.
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If he is out I will make my own - would you like a spare one for hubby ? tell me his 'A' number when it's assigned and I will do one with an Oprah watermark so they know it's genuine......
No thanks, he already has one.
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Seriously - you are right of course and the UK ragging can be a bit wearing -when you are an earnest person - but you will be horrified to know that you will actually miss it sometimes when you are Texas roping them thar dogies - something will have rubbed off on you as Bill was fond of saying..
Some sarcasm and cynicism is necessary to get through life, but here it seems (to me, at least) to be constant. It's very hard for me to tell if someone's being serious with me or not, and I find that sort of draining.
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Some sarcasm and cynicism is necessary to get through life, but here it seems (to me, at least) to be constant. It's very hard for me to tell if someone's being serious with me or not, and I find that sort of draining.
People like me are never serious- even when they are being serious. My first wife left me when I wasn't serious at the funeral of her guinea pig - graham
I put him down the hole head first , patted his botty down and offered her the spade to throw the first bit of earth - but my eyes sparkled - she packed in the morning and said I could never be serious.
Keith Richards (Rolling Stones?) was said to have joked that he snorted his dad's ashes - so it's either a cocaine induced thing or it's an ethnic thing. As I have never done drugs so it must be a Brit thing..
If you haven't twigged the Brit thing after 6 years (I know my wife would never get it), then think of it like eternity - you have heard about it but it's too much to envisage (envision) and therefore the most sensible thing is to think about something else and give your nut a break. I do.
We are off to Tampa by the way so don't feel you are far enough away - my tortured brainwaves might reach that far !
QUOTE(saywhat @ May 16 2007, 07:01 AM)
People like me are never serious- even when they are being serious. My first wife left me when I wasn't serious at the funeral of her guinea pig - graham
I put him down the hole head first , patted his botty down and offered her the spade to throw the first bit of earth - but my eyes sparkled - she packed in the morning and said I could never be serious.
I put him down the hole head first , patted his botty down and offered her the spade to throw the first bit of earth - but my eyes sparkled - she packed in the morning and said I could never be serious.
I'd be kind of pissed off at that sort of behavior too.
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Keith Richards (Rolling Stones?) was said to have joked that he snorted his dad's ashes - so it's either a cocaine induced thing or it's an ethnic thing. As I have never done drugs so it must be a Brit thing..
Maybe it's brain damage from all the drugs.
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If you haven't twigged the Brit thing after 6 years (I know my wife would never get it), then think of it like eternity - you have heard about it but it's too much to envisage (envision) and therefore the most sensible thing is to think about something else and give your nut a break. I do.
What I'm planning to do is to just leave it behind. Luckily my Brit husband isn't a cynic.
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We are off to Tampa by the way so don't feel you are far enough away - my tortured brainwaves might reach that far !
We're still in the UK; there's a whole ocean between us.
We won't get to Dallas until the sale of our house is completed.
We are still in the UK too ....
Dallas ? I heard of somebody saying they were going to Dallas -- called him JACK ? or JOHN ?
Holy grassy knolls !
Shooting someone in the back of the bonce just because they are jealous of him sleeping with Marilyn is quite a cynical thing to do, so don't think you have escaped all the cynics when you return !
just raggin' - I am sure it's a nice town and alligator free for the most part -
and I am glad to know that the Brits are not culturally identical any more than the yankees
Dallas ? I heard of somebody saying they were going to Dallas -- called him JACK ? or JOHN ?
Holy grassy knolls !
Shooting someone in the back of the bonce just because they are jealous of him sleeping with Marilyn is quite a cynical thing to do, so don't think you have escaped all the cynics when you return !
just raggin' - I am sure it's a nice town and alligator free for the most part -
and I am glad to know that the Brits are not culturally identical any more than the yankees
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We are still in the UK too ....
Dallas ? I heard of somebody saying they were going to Dallas -- called him JACK ? or JOHN ?
Holy grassy knolls !
Shooting someone in the back of the bonce just because they are jealous of him sleeping with Marilyn is quite a cynical thing to do, so don't think you have escaped all the cynics when you return !
Dallas ? I heard of somebody saying they were going to Dallas -- called him JACK ? or JOHN ?
Holy grassy knolls !
Shooting someone in the back of the bonce just because they are jealous of him sleeping with Marilyn is quite a cynical thing to do, so don't think you have escaped all the cynics when you return !
Uh...OK. At least you didn't ask me if I knew JR or if I lived on a ranch.
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just raggin' - I am sure it's a nice town and alligator free for the most part -
There are no alligators in Dallas, except in zoos. Alligators like living near water, and Dallas is hundreds of miles from the coast.
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and I am glad to know that the Brits are not culturally identical any more than the yankees
Nope, there are lots of different stereotypical Brits...the toff, the chav, the middle-class whiner, the benefit scrounger, etc.
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Nope, there are lots of different stereotypical Brits...the toff, the chav, the middle-class whiner, the benefit scrounger, etc.
and that's just the women... I will miss the Eurythmics though
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You think you know just what you want
But you have used that weapon against me.
Did I tell you I was lying by the way
When I said I wanted a new mink coat.
I was just thinking about
Something sleek
To wrap around my tender throat
I was dreaming like a Texan girl
A girl who thinks she's got the right to everything.
A girl who thinks she should have
Something extreme.
I love to listen to Beethoven...
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