homesick_american
May 14 2007, 04:37 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6653175.stmQUOTE
Some of the UK's best-selling chocolate bars, such as Mars and Twix, will no longer be suitable for vegetarians.
Also affecting brands such as Snickers and Maltesers, owner Masterfoods said it had started to use animal product rennet to make its chocolate products.
Masterfoods said the change was due to it switching the sourcing of its ingredients and the admission was a "principled decision" on its part.
The Vegetarian Society said the company's move was "incomprehensible".
'Extremely disappointed'
Masterfoods said it had started using rennet from 1 May and non-affected products had a "best before date" up to 1 October.
Rennet, a chemical sourced from calves' stomachs, is used in the production of whey.
It will now also be found in Bounty, Minstrels and Milky Way products, and the ice cream versions of all Masterfoods' bars.
"If the customer is an extremely strict vegetarian, then we are sorry the products are no longer suitable, but a less strict vegetarian should enjoy our chocolate," said Paul Goalby, corporate affairs manager for Masterfoods.
The Vegetarian Society said it was "extremely disappointed".
"At a time when more and more consumers are concerned about the provenance of their food, Masterfoods' decision to use non-vegetarian whey is a backward step," it said in a statement.
"Mars products are very popular with young people and many will be shocked to discover that their manufacture now relies on the extraction of rennet from the stomach lining of young calves," it added.
cartaverde
May 14 2007, 05:14 AM
Wow.
I think I'll stick to Green & Black's and O'Conaill's chocolate then.
It's amazing how much everything has animal based stuff. Anything that is non-chocolate seems to have (should be the same in UK as everything in Ireland is imported from there) always gelatin in it. Even when I sometimes find halal candy, it is still halal gelatin.

I don't really want to have ANY parts deriving from animals in my candy. So a few mints are gelatin free, chocolates ... and Haribo halal/kosher/vegan candy that I can't find no more..
I think I won't buy any Masterfoods candies then either.
Magenta
May 14 2007, 06:13 AM
Well, considering that vegetarian rennet is readily available, I think that Masterfoods is being quite small minded in choosing to take this route.
Dr_LHA
May 14 2007, 06:40 AM
How bizarre. I don't know what the percentage of vegetarians in the UK is, but I would have assumed it was high enough that you wouldn't want to lose them as customers.
Oath
May 14 2007, 07:55 AM
Don't really see the problem with it, they warned vegitarians its changing. It's up to the veggies to find an alternative after all they / you chose that path. Lets be honest, big deal you can't eat a certain type of chocolate.
Magenta
May 14 2007, 08:35 AM
QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 08:55 AM)

Don't really see the problem with it, they warned vegitarians its changing. It's up to the veggies to find an alternative after all they / you chose that path. Lets be honest, big deal you can't eat a certain type of chocolate.
Well actually there is a BIG problem with it. Yes, they are warning them in advance (which they have to do) but what if that was your favourite chocolate bar? The fact is, meat eaters can eat the veggie rennet stuff, vegetarians can't eat the meat stuff. It is all about choice. Most cheese changed over to the veggie stuff years ago, the simple fact is you don't need animal rennet for these items. It is like taking a step back, IMO.
I can't fathom it myself. There are ALOT of vegetarians in the UK and I reckon that Masterfoods have just shot themselves in the foot, their sales figures may drop quite a bit.
homesick_american
May 14 2007, 09:15 AM
QUOTE(mags @ May 14 2007, 08:35 AM)

QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 08:55 AM)

Don't really see the problem with it, they warned vegitarians its changing. It's up to the veggies to find an alternative after all they / you chose that path. Lets be honest, big deal you can't eat a certain type of chocolate.
Well actually there is a BIG problem with it. Yes, they are warning them in advance (which they have to do) but what if that was your favourite chocolate bar? The fact is, meat eaters can eat the veggie rennet stuff, vegetarians can't eat the meat stuff. It is all about choice. Most cheese changed over to the veggie stuff years ago, the simple fact is you don't need animal rennet for these items. It is like taking a step back, IMO.
I can't fathom it myself. There are ALOT of vegetarians in the UK and I reckon that Masterfoods have just shot themselves in the foot, their sales figures may drop quite a bit.
I hope their sales go through the floor; they're probably only doing it to increase their profit margins. B*stards. Animal rennet is disgusting and unnecessary. I like eating meat too, but cow stomach lining is taking it too far.
Magenta
May 14 2007, 09:17 AM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 10:15 AM)

QUOTE(mags @ May 14 2007, 08:35 AM)

QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 08:55 AM)

Don't really see the problem with it, they warned vegitarians its changing. It's up to the veggies to find an alternative after all they / you chose that path. Lets be honest, big deal you can't eat a certain type of chocolate.
Well actually there is a BIG problem with it. Yes, they are warning them in advance (which they have to do) but what if that was your favourite chocolate bar? The fact is, meat eaters can eat the veggie rennet stuff, vegetarians can't eat the meat stuff. It is all about choice. Most cheese changed over to the veggie stuff years ago, the simple fact is you don't need animal rennet for these items. It is like taking a step back, IMO.
I can't fathom it myself. There are ALOT of vegetarians in the UK and I reckon that Masterfoods have just shot themselves in the foot, their sales figures may drop quite a bit.
I hope their sales go through the floor; they're probably only doing it to increase their profit margins. B*stards. Animal rennet is disgusting and unnecessary. I like eating meat too, but cow stomach lining is taking it too far.
Exactly! There is, quite simply, no need for animal rennet anymore. There are substitutes that are used throughout the food industry. As I said...it is like a step backwards.
I hope people start to boycott their foods, I really do.
homesick_american
May 14 2007, 09:19 AM
QUOTE(mags @ May 14 2007, 09:17 AM)

Exactly! There is, quite simply, no need for animal rennet anymore. There are substitutes that are used throughout the food industry. As I said...it is like a step backwards.
I hope people start to boycott their foods, I really do.
We rarely eat candy nowadays but we definitely won't be buying any products from them again.
deemabrouk
May 14 2007, 09:39 AM
Oath
May 14 2007, 10:39 AM
Favorite candy bar? so what..
Prioritize your outrage, honestly how big a deal is a candy bar? When Asda brand soup (my favorite soup for a while) announced that they would now have little to zero salt, I changed brands.. mainly because it was tasteless. There are other options available so stop making a big deal out of it.
Old saying, vote with your feet, or in this case by not buying them.
Magenta
May 14 2007, 10:44 AM
QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 11:39 AM)

Favorite candy bar? so what..
Prioritize your outrage, honestly how big a deal is a candy bar? When Asda brand soup (my favorite soup for a while) announced that they would now have little to zero salt, I changed brands.. mainly because it was tasteless. There are other options available so stop making a big deal out of it.
Old saying, vote with your feet, or in this case by not buying them.
I'm actually more outraged by the fact that they are reverting to using animal products again. In a world where vegetarian rennet is available, there is simply no need for the animal based product anymore.
Oath
May 14 2007, 10:46 AM
QUOTE(mags @ May 14 2007, 10:44 AM)

QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 11:39 AM)

Favorite candy bar? so what..
Prioritize your outrage, honestly how big a deal is a candy bar? When Asda brand soup (my favorite soup for a while) announced that they would now have little to zero salt, I changed brands.. mainly because it was tasteless. There are other options available so stop making a big deal out of it.
Old saying, vote with your feet, or in this case by not buying them.
I'm actually more outraged by the fact that they are reverting to using animal products again. In a world where vegetarian rennet is available, there is simply no need for the animal based product anymore.
Fair one, I would like to know why they're changing after this time too even though I am a meat eating mofo
TheZilla
May 14 2007, 10:58 AM
I might be wrong, but I'm assuming their change probably has something to do with their bottom line, it being cheaper for them in some way. That seems to be the most common reason companies pull that kind of thing. They're always going to cater to the majority though, it's gonna come down to the cost effectiveness of their move.
It's that pesky majority rule. I'm a carnivore but it doesn't make much sense to me either, since EVERYONE can eat the vegetable rennet based things but not everyone can eat the animal rennet. Unless it has some massive effect on taste, I think it is rather stupid. Again though, I'm betting it's because it's cheaper for them to do so somehow.
Dr_LHA
May 14 2007, 11:00 AM
QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 11:46 AM)

Fair one, I would like to know why they're changing after this time too even though I am a meat eating mofo

Cost of course! Why else would they risk losing sales? Presumably they think the saving in using Animal rennet is worth the lost business from vegetarians.
Alex+R
May 14 2007, 02:30 PM
The worst mistake they're making is letting people know they'll be eating living calf stomach chemicals. I mean, eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
Oath
May 14 2007, 03:04 PM
QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 02:30 PM)

eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
Not really.
I've killed, skinned, gutted, prepared, cooked and eaten my own meat before, no biggy.
homesick_american
May 14 2007, 03:19 PM
QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 03:04 PM)

QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 02:30 PM)

eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
Not really.
I've killed, skinned, gutted, prepared, cooked and eaten my own meat before, no biggy.
Ewww....I'm with Alex+R, I don't wanna know. I don't like to think about it.
Dr_LHA
May 14 2007, 03:33 PM
QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 03:30 PM)

The worst mistake they're making is letting people know they'll be eating living calf stomach chemicals. I mean, eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
If you don't want to know the reality of what you are eating, then you shouldn't eat it. People who are bothered by the concept of eating animals, should become vegetarians.
homesick_american
May 14 2007, 03:42 PM
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ May 14 2007, 03:33 PM)

QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 03:30 PM)

The worst mistake they're making is letting people know they'll be eating living calf stomach chemicals. I mean, eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
If you don't want to know the reality of what you are eating, then you shouldn't eat it. People who are bothered by the concept of eating animals, should become vegetarians.
But bacon tastes GOOD. Pork chops taste GOOD.
Leney
May 14 2007, 04:15 PM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 04:19 PM)

QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 03:04 PM)

QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 02:30 PM)

eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
Not really.
I've killed, skinned, gutted, prepared, cooked and eaten my own meat before, no biggy.
Ewww....I'm with Alex+R, I don't wanna know. I don't like to think about it.

Never been fishing or hunting then?

My brother was a long haired, beardy veggie for about a year and a half...comical if you know him now, head of Human Resources and Sales at a major wild life caller company, hunter, fisherman, beer drinking angus steak-burger guy. Vegetables are used to lure what he eats now
Oath
May 14 2007, 04:38 PM
QUOTE(Leney @ May 14 2007, 04:15 PM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 04:19 PM)

QUOTE(Oath @ May 14 2007, 03:04 PM)

QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 02:30 PM)

eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
Not really.
I've killed, skinned, gutted, prepared, cooked and eaten my own meat before, no biggy.
Ewww....I'm with Alex+R, I don't wanna know. I don't like to think about it.

Never been fishing or hunting then?

My brother was a long haired, beardy veggie for about a year and a half...comical if you know him now, head of Human Resources and Sales at a major wild life caller company, hunter, fisherman, beer drinking angus steak-burger guy. Vegetables are used to lure what he eats now

Yeah those coyotes sure love asparagus tips rubbed with extra virgin olive oil
elmcitymaven
May 14 2007, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 09:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD.
I've always said: Bacon is God's way of saying, "I love you."
Oath
May 14 2007, 04:49 PM
QUOTE(elmcitymaven @ May 14 2007, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 09:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD.
I've always said: Bacon is God's way of saying, "I love you."

Wrong.
Bacon, egg, sausage, beans (british baked beans) potato scone and links, all fried served with a mug of tea that is the way god says "I love you" (with regards to food anyways

) especially the morning after a lot of beer.
Dr_LHA
May 14 2007, 04:50 PM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 04:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD. Pork chops taste GOOD.
Yes, but my point is that people who love bacon but don't want to know that it was carved off the side of a pig are hypocrits. It annoys me when people say "I hate meat when I can see that it was an animal". These people are just in denial.
Girona40
May 14 2007, 09:50 PM
I've been a vegetarian for 26 years. Husband a meat-eater and hunter. He likes the taste of meat, I can't stand the thought of eating it!Can't say it has ever been a problem.
I don't think it has anything to do with denial, though. My son eats meat and, as part of his vet's training he had to visit a slaughterhouse and witness animals being killed and prepared for the meat industry. He stopped at MacDonalds on the way home!
My daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 5 years old - her choice. Both she and I will prepare meat for my husband and son, just won't eat it ourselves.
As for chocolate containing animal rennet - does anyone know if Galaxy chocolate does?
Dr_LHA
May 14 2007, 10:02 PM
Galaxy is made by Mars, so I would guess the answer is yes. Better stick to Cadbury's in future.
Alex+R
May 15 2007, 01:54 AM
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ May 14 2007, 03:33 PM)

QUOTE(Alex+R @ May 14 2007, 03:30 PM)

The worst mistake they're making is letting people know they'll be eating living calf stomach chemicals. I mean, eating meat involves a certain amount of "I don't want to know" suspension of curiosity, but seriously, most people are going to be a little grossed out by that.
If you don't want to know the reality of what you are eating, then you shouldn't eat it. People who are bothered by the concept of eating animals, should become vegetarians.
I agree--no need to get irritated with me. I used to be a vegetarian but stopped being one in Brazil. Now I'm eating only free range/organic/blablabla stuff but I'm hoping to move back to vegetarianism by the end of summer. (Difficult when hubster does all the cooking and is a serious carnivore.) I was saying that the average person has a little bit of a hypocritical streak when it comes to eating meat (and these people seem to be ok with that), and for precisely that reason being confronted with the rennet descriptions are going to turn some people's appetites off. On a personal note (again) I have never eaten any baby animals or products of baby animals, and I know many otherwise carnivores like that, and none of us would be comfortable consuming rennet.
homesick_american
May 15 2007, 02:54 AM
QUOTE(Leney @ May 14 2007, 04:15 PM)

Never been fishing or hunting then?

My brother was a long haired, beardy veggie for about a year and a half...comical if you know him now, head of Human Resources and Sales at a major wild life caller company, hunter, fisherman, beer drinking angus steak-burger guy. Vegetables are used to lure what he eats now

I'm a girl, so that's a NO on the hunting. There aren't enough toilets in the woods, and as a female I have a bladder the size of a walnut.
Fishing...I'm a Texan, so of course I've been fishing. I never dealt with what I caught, though; my grandmother cleaned and gutted the fish. Cooked 'em too. I don't even know how to clean a fish.
I like to eat meat but I don't want to deal with the killing or butchering of what I eat. I am NOT a vegetarian.
homesick_american
May 15 2007, 03:00 AM
QUOTE(elmcitymaven @ May 14 2007, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 09:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD.
I've always said: Bacon is God's way of saying, "I love you."

HAHAHAHAHA...yeah, that's true. Bacon is so good.
homesick_american
May 15 2007, 03:03 AM
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ May 14 2007, 04:50 PM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 04:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD. Pork chops taste GOOD.
Yes, but my point is that people who love bacon but don't want to know that it was carved off the side of a pig are hypocrits. It annoys me when people say "I hate meat when I can see that it was an animal". These people are just in denial.
I know damn well it was carved off the side of a pig, that doesn't mean I want to watch or wield the knife.
elmcitymaven
May 15 2007, 03:37 AM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 09:00 AM)

QUOTE(elmcitymaven @ May 14 2007, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 09:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD.
I've always said: Bacon is God's way of saying, "I love you."
HAHAHAHAHA...yeah, that's true. Bacon is so good.
Heehee... I think I'm an agnostic and not an atheist solely on the basis that bacon exists, therefore there must be a cosmic power out there!
homesick_american
May 15 2007, 05:14 AM
QUOTE(elmcitymaven @ May 15 2007, 03:37 AM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 09:00 AM)

QUOTE(elmcitymaven @ May 14 2007, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 14 2007, 09:42 PM)

But bacon tastes GOOD.
I've always said: Bacon is God's way of saying, "I love you."
HAHAHAHAHA...yeah, that's true. Bacon is so good.
Heehee... I think I'm an agnostic and not an atheist solely on the basis that bacon exists, therefore there must be a cosmic power out there!

Mmm, indeed.
I'm slightly miffed that nobody noticed the Pulp Fiction reference.
TheZilla
May 15 2007, 09:08 AM
I noticed the Pulp Fiction reference, I just didn't come back to the thread until today

My friend was a vegan for about two years. He'd complain about how much of a problem he was having with iron deficiency and anemia, while at the same time lecturing me about 'subhuman cattle ranchers & their practices' and all the damage I was doing to my body because of my meat eating. I lived with that for two years. Then he went up to New York only to come back and tell me he'd of course gotten himself some NY pizza. I said "Vegan pizza?". He said "What's a vegan?".
Like the protesters who decided to blockade a field of cows to 'save them', only to get trampled by a stampede they set off. It's the most delicious thing of all.
Honestly though, I don't have a problem with veggies or vegans if we can all mutually respect each other's choices and go about our business. I'll gladly prepare vegetarian meal choices at my gatherings and make them delicious, all I ask is that it's okay to tote a burger along with me when I go over their houses.
Girona40
May 15 2007, 09:36 AM
"I was saying that the average person has a little bit of a hypocritical streak when it comes to eating meat"
I just had to comment on this, I couldn't walk away from it. I just do not understand your way of thinking, on this matter, at all.
"I'm hoping to move back to vegetarianism by the end of summer" - but I don't have a problem eating meat now.
"Difficult when hubster does all the cooking and is a serious carnivore" - I don't see what your husband's eating habits have to do with your choices at all. My husband kills, prepares, cooks and eats meat, but that doesn't mean I do.
"I have never eaten baby animals" - but it's not a problem to eat their parents.
I just don't get your rationale on the subject.
Girona40
May 15 2007, 09:55 AM
QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ May 14 2007, 11:02 PM)

Galaxy is made by Mars, so I would guess the answer is yes. Better stick to Cadbury's in future.
I can't stand Cadbury's chocolate - I find it has a rancid taste. So that isn't an option for me.
I looked up this question of whey being used in Masterfood's chocolate and they say that any bars with a "best before" date of 1st October 07 don't have the animal whey in, so vegetarians are okay to eat this. Any with a "best before" date after 1st October 07 has animal whey in it.
Letter to Customer from MasterfoodsI guess I am just going to wither away now!
homesick_american
May 15 2007, 10:10 AM
QUOTE(Girona40 @ May 15 2007, 09:55 AM)

QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ May 14 2007, 11:02 PM)

Galaxy is made by Mars, so I would guess the answer is yes. Better stick to Cadbury's in future.
I can't stand Cadbury's chocolate - I find it has a rancid taste. So that isn't an option for me.
QUOTE
I looked up this question of whey being used in Masterfood's chocolate and they say that any bars with a "best before" date of 1st October 07 don't have the animal whey in, so vegetarians are okay to eat this. Any with a "best before" date after 1st October 07 has animal whey in it.
Letter to Customer from MasterfoodsI guess I am just going to wither away now!

I took a random sampling of some Masterfoods products in my office's canteen; none of them had a best before date before 01/10/2007. Guess the vegetarians and people grossed out by animal rennet are SOL.
rkl57
May 15 2007, 10:13 AM
I am happy to think about the choices I make when I am actually eating meat but I don't really want to think about calves stomachs when I eat chocolate.
cartaverde
May 15 2007, 10:19 AM
Girona just switch to Green & Black's.
http://www.greenandblacks.com
Girona40
May 15 2007, 10:29 AM
QUOTE(yum @ May 15 2007, 11:19 AM)

Girona just switch to Green & Black's.
http://www.greenandblacks.com
I may just have to do that! I was just talking to my husband about how deprived I am going to feel, now that I can't eat Galaxy, and mentioned your suggestion. He said it was pretty good chocolate!
But, I am a bit weird in some ways........I know you all find that really hard to believe.........if I were to buy Green & Black's chocolate I would feel guilty, because I feel it is more of a "luxury" product. I would feel that I shouldn't be buying it, whereas I could buy half a dozen bars of "old cheapie" Galaxy and not think anything of it!
Maybe, like I said before, it would be a good thing. I could buy Green & Black's chocolate as a "treat" and not so much as a staple!
I still feel pretty p*ssed that Mars have done this!
homesick_american
May 15 2007, 10:31 AM
QUOTE(Girona40 @ May 15 2007, 10:29 AM)

QUOTE(yum @ May 15 2007, 11:19 AM)

Girona just switch to Green & Black's.
http://www.greenandblacks.com
I may just have to do that! I was just talking to my husband about how deprived I am going to feel, now that I can't eat Galaxy, and mentioned your suggestion. He said it was pretty good chocolate!
But, I am a bit weird in some ways........I know you all find that really hard to believe.........if I were to buy Green & Black's chocolate I would feel guilty, because I feel it is more of a "luxury" product. I would feel that I shouldn't be buying it, whereas I could buy half a dozen bars of "old cheapie" Galaxy and not think anything of it!
Maybe, like I said before, it would be a good thing. I could buy Green & Black's chocolate as a "treat" and not so much as a staple!
I still feel pretty p*ssed that Mars have done this!
Chocolate should never be a staple anyway, it's very unhealthy.
Green and Black's chocolate is far, far, FAR superior to any of the mass market candy bars out there. It is a luxury product, but chocolate should only ever be a luxury anyway.
illumine
May 15 2007, 10:35 AM
QUOTE(Girona40 @ May 15 2007, 08:29 AM)

But, I am a bit weird in some ways........I know you all find that really hard to believe.........if I were to buy Green & Black's chocolate I would feel guilty, because I feel it is more of a "luxury" product. I would feel that I shouldn't be buying it, whereas I could buy half a dozen bars of "old cheapie" Galaxy and not think anything of it!
If you're living in the US, G&B is the same price as imported Cadbury's.
Plus, choccie should never be a staple in anyone's diet (& only be a treat)!
broma25
May 15 2007, 10:50 AM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 10:10 AM)

QUOTE(Girona40 @ May 15 2007, 09:55 AM)

QUOTE(Dr_LHA @ May 14 2007, 11:02 PM)

Galaxy is made by Mars, so I would guess the answer is yes. Better stick to Cadbury's in future.
I can't stand Cadbury's chocolate - I find it has a rancid taste. So that isn't an option for me.
QUOTE
I looked up this question of whey being used in Masterfood's chocolate and they say that any bars with a "best before" date of 1st October 07 don't have the animal whey in, so vegetarians are okay to eat this. Any with a "best before" date after 1st October 07 has animal whey in it.
Letter to Customer from MasterfoodsI guess I am just going to wither away now!

I took a random sampling of some Masterfoods products in my office's canteen; none of them had a best before date before 01/10/2007. Guess the vegetarians and people grossed out by animal rennet are SOL.

And how many random samples did you sample......lol
Magenta
May 15 2007, 11:39 AM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 11:31 AM)

Chocolate should never be a staple anyway, it's very unhealthy.
QUOTE(devilette @ May 15 2007, 11:35 AM)

Plus, choccie should never be a staple in anyone's diet (& only be a treat)!
Personal choice me dearies, personal choice. If Girona wants to eat chocolate to her hearts content she can. It's up to her.
Girona40
May 15 2007, 12:02 PM
Derrrrrrrrrrr! I was only kidding!
I don't eat chocolate very much - I usually bring it back to the US with me when I have been on a visit to the UK.
I gave it up for Lent and didn't have a problem - in fact, when I did allow myself to have it again, I didn't really want it anyway.
I do like a bit of chocolate every now and again, but like Mags says "If I want to stuff my face with chocolate every day of my life, then I will!" lol
rkl57
May 15 2007, 12:54 PM
in moderation chocolate, or specifically high-quality dark chocolate (so not cadburys, galaxy, etc) can actually be good for you -- all those flavonoids are good for your blood pressure and stimulate serontonin.
Dr_LHA
May 15 2007, 01:00 PM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 04:03 AM)

I know damn well it was carved off the side of a pig, that doesn't mean I want to watch or wield the knife.

But you're happy for someone else to do the dirty work for you!
rkl57
May 15 2007, 01:05 PM
are you killing and gutting your food, Dr. Lha?
cartaverde
May 15 2007, 01:16 PM
Girona, you'll love Green & Black's. It costs more, but it's SO MUCH better and so much more chocolatey .. so if you would otherwise have let's say a mars bar (60 g) you'll get the same satisfaction of the chocolate having 20-30 g of G&B so you'll need a lot less chocolate. Or the big chocolate bar will last you so much longer.
mawilson
May 15 2007, 01:45 PM
QUOTE(homesick_american @ May 15 2007, 11:31 AM)

Chocolate should never be a staple anyway, it's very unhealthy.
On the contrary -- chocolate (especially DARK chocolate) is VERY healthy.
It's packed with polyphenols which protect against heart disease and cancer.
It also contains phenylethylamine, which (research suggests) is a stimulant
released during intimacy.
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