I know

I liked the "bag of whoop arse" explanation better.

BTW, as I said earlier, and now it here it is again....vegetarians tend to be preachy. Then Robin comes along & posts:

I chuckled.

Awwww cmon guys...I'm not feelin the love here. Let's all make up and eat some non-animal product choccie.

Here's some LOVE for you Lisa:

Man, I'm KIDDING (about the whup arse, anyhow).

VJ Sheesh.

Right back atcha!




Who's up for a steak?

Yeah, I suppose people use religious word to describe it. Not all are preachy. I usually find the worst are vegans anyway. Generally anyone who talks constantly about their diets (whatever that might be) annoy the most.

Mars have had a change of heart apparently, I guess they realised that losing a lot of customers was a bad thing - go figure!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6673549.stm

Booooooo.

Don't worry I'm sure Mars products in the USA are full of beef, so you're be OK as soon as you get here.

Awesome, go go Choco beef mars.

GOOD. Ooops, perhaps that sounded preachy. Sorry.

Right so I'm going to start a company making chocolate covered beef jerky and bacon to appease you anti-vegites Get your orders in now!

Yea they decided to keep the choco veggie! I was prepared to boycott their products but happily I don't have to now. I love chocolate!

Here in the USA, where sweet and salty seem to go well together, that'd probably sell very well!!

Bwahahahahaha

yanno what pisses me off? Just because I'm not a veggie does not mean I'm down for eating animal intestine crap in my choccie.

Where's my apology? LOL

Sorry

WORD.

What does the "secret ingredient" do? And why does it matter to a veggie
if it's extracted from plants, cow intestines or monkey brains? It's not like
it's an actual meat product, just a tiny amount of some preservative.
Taking vegetarianism a bit too far, aren't we?

Because vegetarians are against the use of products derived from slaughtered animals in food, no matter how small or insignificant. Of course there are degrees of how much vegetarians are willing to scrutise, and each one will draw the line as they see fit.

However I certainly don't think being concerned about using rennet in chocolate is "taking vegetarianism too far".

Never mind, I looked it up.

Rennet

"The chief use of rennet is in the making of cheese, junket, and chocolate bars.

[ ... ]

Natural rennet is produced in the inner mucosa of the fourth stomach chamber
(the abomasum) of young ruminants.

[ ... ]

Because of the limited availability of proper stomachs for rennet production,
cheesemakers have always looked for other ways to coagulate the milk. Artificial
coagulants are a useful alternative, especially for cheap or lower-quality cheeses.

[ ... ]

Many plants have coagulating properties.

[ ... ]

Worldwide there is also no industrial production for vegetable rennet. Commercial
so-called vegetable rennets usually contain rennet from the mold Mucor miehei -
see microbial rennet below.

[ ... ]

The flavour and taste of cheeses produced with microbial rennets tend towards some
bitterness, especially if longer maturation is wanted."

What about cheese? Apparently, rennet is used by many (most? all?) cheese makers.

In the UK at least, most supermarkets sell Vegetarian Cheese.

Yeah but isn't it crap?

Rennet comes from a cows stomach, milk comes from a cows teat...I dunno einy mieny miney mo! I wonder how milk chocolate is made Pick and chose your method of animal exploitation. I wonder how many veggies have leather car seats.

I think you're getting Vegetarian cheese mixed up with Vegan Cheese (which isn't cheese). Use of non-animal rennet in cheese does little to change the flavour. Most American cheeses BTW are vegetarian as it turns out.


The difference being clearly that you don't kill the cow to extract the milk!

I imagine they don't kill cows just to extract rennet from their stomachs either.

If they didn't use the stomachs for rennet production, they'd just go to waste.

You don't kill a cow to get its milk. I'm not even a vegetarian and I don't wear leather or have leather furniture. I don't like wearing or sitting on dead animal skins.

Vegetarians don't generally make exceptions for animal by products. It obviously depends on the person though. Some vegetarians I know will eat regular cheese, some don't. Just like I'm sure some would have continued to eat Mars bars even if they put animal rennet in them. That said some people call themselves Vegetarian and eat Chicken and Fish!

No, you don't kill a cow for milk, however they are kept in sometimes deplorable conditions, alive until they are no longer useful, they they are slaughtered and eaten. Six of one, half a dozen of the other

And you think I'm OK with this? We buy locally-reared meat, free-range eggs, etc. We're not against eating animals, but I don't want animal products in everything I eat. I don't want to wear leather or fur. I don't like animals suffering. Do you think that because I eat meat, I somehow condone this sort of thing?

Like I said it's a matter of pick and chose your exploitation. If people gave as much thought to everything as they do one thing the hear in the news, they'd be chewing their cud in the fields with the coos. No toothpaste, no soap, no makeup, no hand bags or shoes, etc etc.

Ok, I officially love you.

I think its more about where you draw the line. Everyone draws the line somewhere, and its usually "anything goes". Its impossible to completely rid yourself of any animal killing in this day and age, so you make a level for yourself as to what is acceptable and what isn't. For some that's going to mean they use toothpaste, but don't eat cheese with rennet. Some others try to use nothing at all. Its all a personal choose really.

I'm not a vegetarian myself, but know many and this is how they tend to think. "You're going to kill an animal anyway so why bother?" is a specious argument.

I am not saying it isn't personal choice, I'm not saying it isn't where each individual draws the line, I'm saying It's amazingly hypocritical on many levels. I suppose though, it's whatever helps one sleep better at night in the end.

Hey great news they reversed their plans
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6673549.stm

yes, we know.

oops sorry for the repeat, I wish they mixed kosher then I would be fine with it ..lol

I don't see that it's hypocritical at all. Explain precisely how it's hypocritical.

Hypocritical = pretending to be what you're not.

In this context, pretending to care about rennet in a chocolate bar, while
turning a blind eye to rennet in cheese, as well as ignoring a myriad of other
products and companies that use animal ingredients.

You're assuming that I eat cheese with animal rennet in it, or that I deliberately ignore the abuse of animals.

Products that are not tested on animals are tested on humans. Much better.

At least humans have the ability to consent.

Except when you get a rash all over your body after using a shower gel which was
"not tested on animals", it's probably too late to consent or dissent.

That's a risk you take when you use shower gel. I have sensitive skin, so I use vegetable soap. They make it 30 miles from here and it isn't tested on anything, since everybody already knows what happens when you use vegetable soap: you get clean.

Boots manage to make entire ranges of products not tested on animals and I've not heard of huge outbreaks of rashes amongst the British public.