Thoughts?

I would definitely take it. The promotion may lead to another promotion, and may lead to another promotion. And, also to defeat poverty and make a good living, you must beat the CPI index in terms of percentage every chance you get.

-I would take it, no doubt
-This impacts my decision, positively
-Yes, absolutely

No reward without risk. Go for it!

You mention that although it means fully paid relocation, a bonus and 30% more income, it also means 50% more work.

I guess the determining factor for me would be exactly how much work am I doing now? If I'm just sailing on into work and not breaking a sweat, so to speak, then 50% more might mean that I'd be up to what a normal functioning employee anywhere else is at.....if that's the case then yes I would do it.

If, however, you're already stressing out and you work like 50 to 60 hours a week, bringing work home, etc., then I'd say no way. I never once have heard of anyone on their deathbed stating that they wished they had worked more hours.

Good luck!

Actually, I stay pretty busy in my job. This promotion would involve managing a department with 80 people, vice the current 40.

The issue is, the position is very high profile and the last 3 in it, were sacked.

Then I guess I'd pray and sleep on it.

I was faced with something similar recently, but the job I was at was soooo easy and basically I sat around doing next to nothing all day long, so having to increase my workload really wasn't that big of a deal. Also the job I went to had job security and I had been with the company for ten years, left for the job I was in, and now have come back to it.

I personally hate high profile jobs, but that's just my personality. I like to be invisible, yet needed. lol.

Good luck!!!

Ditto, exactly how i voted

There's someone at my job who thinks I'm after her job, and it's gotten me thinking about whether there are any other positions I'd be willing to or want to take someday. (Now, I completely lack the most central skill to her job, which is furthermore a skill I could not acquire and have no desire to; she's totally delusional, but that's not the point.)

In any case, I'm essentially at the top of the ladder in my career field, so the only possibilities would be to move to a more prestigious city (and better-paying, but because of the cost of living, not the prestige) with probably a somewhat more interesting workload, which I do plan to do someday; or to branch out into a slightly different field, which I would be willing and able to do if I had to, but which I'm not really interested in.

I mean, there are no other positions at my current job that I would be interested in taking, nor would I be qualified to do so. There are other cities I'd be willing to relocate to if the right one became available, but nothing where I'm at now.

50-percent more work, means 50-percent more time away from your family. For me to make that choice, I'd need more money. And if the 30-percent pay hike kicks me into a higher tax-bracket, maybe its not financially as good as it seems. There is a lot to be said about having a stable job, ability to support the family, and also having significant time to share your life with your family.

Agree 100%

Not to mention the possibility of termination. If the last three in that position were sacked, I believe I would think long and hard before putting myself in a position of possible unemployment...that would directly affect my family. More is not always best.

if there's chance to get higher, and higher, and higher... YES! risking is scary but its hard to say you'd get anywhere without it. if your goal is to make more money and have more power, then YES!

a family member is vp of a company and was offered the president position but didn't take it because he didn't want to be the first one fired if something went wrong. he felt it was safer. now he's still vp...and makes HALF of what the president makes. what is life without risk taking?

Do you have a plan B if the new job is not what you relly want ?

Is there a chance you can go back to your current job ?

I agree that more is not always better.

Take your time and the answer will come to you.

As a professional engineer, I work almost every hour if I wanted to because it's a part of my life. I can work at home or at the cubicle. HEHEHE!

I disagree. More time can be a luxury. It's not always available. Businesses tend to have immediate needs and when something opens up, you jump in or you don't. Soemtimes there are anticipated openings due to budget processes taking time and/or management reviews .. and there is time to think about it... but my sense is that that's rare.

I changed jobs recently. End of Jan. It's been 3 months. I am working a lot more than I ever have. The work environment is a lot more hostile and confrontational than I'm used to. The boss is a micromanager (more so than anyone else I've ever worked for) and at least one of my immediate colleagues is a fukcing snake.

That said, I'm doing things I've always wanted to do and never got the opportunity. I'm making a lot more than I ever did. And my commute is the shortest it's ever been.

Pros and cons. Nothing is perfect, no grass is ever completely green. I chased the money and the experience and I am getting it. I didn't count on the work environment being what it is, but then again I took that chance when I moved.

Specially with an increase on the stress level.

William,

The questions are too conceptual - the devil is always in the details.

Yodrak

It depends on what you want. Are you willing to put on more hours/stress for the pay increase ? How about your spouse/family ?


Good luck in whatever you decide !

Not sure, positively if "acceptable" location (and grossly negatively if non-acceptable location), yes

There was a job at my company for more responsibility and the person that got it is leaving because of the srutiny of another suupervisor and the strain o his family. I don't do a whole lot of work at my job(nature of the business) so any thing more I do will be a lot.

I am really suprised with the low numbers in the "I would take it column". Perhaps I did not provide enough details.


The job would be in Denver.

The additional responsibility is double the staff (40 > 80), likely not a major increase in hours.

The last 3 were sacked because they were not specialists in this field and it showed.

Fortunately, we have time to make a decision. Although, Eva is already fully supportive of the promotion/relocation.

Guess I have my answer?

I think you are ready for the change Good luck! Denver is so awesome.

Why the change in position from above? The new facts?

I appreciate all input from the VJ community. This is why I cannot stay away from here!!!

William, like Yodrak says, the devil is in the details. So I have two questions: suppose you take the job, and through no fault of your own, like your predecessors, you are fired after three months.

1) How easy will it be for you to move to another position in a comparable salary range?
2) Do you like Denver enough to relocate and lose a job?

You sound like you really want it.

William,

From your previous post, I saw as that you seem to be ready for a change and that you feel qualified for the position. That is why I wished you luck if you are actually going to move.

But I still think (from my point of view) like my previous post because I was in a managing position before that required a lot more responsibility and more stress. I decided to change my job because it was taking too much time from my family and wearing me out. I was working too much and barely had weekends or time free. Always tired. It was too much for me even tho the salary was great. Now I am in another position, the salary is not as high as a manager's but it's still very good. I have plenty of time for my family and less stress! I don't miss being a boss at all

I would evaluate the details and fine/small print for this job. I think you would like to make the change but, are you ready to realocate in Denver?

I appreciate your points, they are very well stated.

I really don't want to get into the money piece, as this not a popular topic on this site.

But we need detail here, for validation.

To clarify, the increase is $35,000. Those that are interested, can do the proportionate math. (30% increase).

With the relo in mind, I am compelled to jump on it. The bonus is appreciable also, a free ride to Indonesia this Fall, with money to spend?

However, I sense reservation from the seasoned VJ crowd. Any information is appreciated.

In case you are wondering, I can make my own decisions. Yet, I am curious about the opinions of the seasoned colleagues here. Is that wrong?

William,

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for opinions and to see different points of views from others outside the situation. It's a good thing to listen to others' experiences.

Hey that's definitely a $ increase + the bonus, sounds actually pretty good (Specially the trip part, yes!) I loved Denver when I was there. It's great.

Thanks for the support, SDV!

Anyone else with comments?

Hi William
It all comes down to your (and Eva's) priorities and the risk vs. reward. If it's a challenge you are really interested in taking, if Denver is a place you are both interested in living, and if you feel comfortable in terms of a fall-back plan should it not work out, no real reason not to do it. The extra money, bonus, relo, etc. is just great icing on the cake.

If it were me, I wouldn't do it. But that's because I don't like that kind of a role and I don't want to relocate to Denver. I personally feel better if I can make a change knowing that it doesn't have to be permanent if I don't love it. For me that means money in the bank if the job doesn't turn it well or my apartment rented on a short term lease in case the move doesn't work out. But I think you're probably much more comfortable with the whole big change concept based on all of the places you've lived and worked and it seems like a great opportunity.

Be sure to post what you decide!

Kit,

First off, I have missed your input, where have you been?

As ususal, you balance reality with your understanding of the individual involved. This is a gift!!

You understand me well. With your advice coupled with Eva/William judgement, we will move forward with the offer.

Thanks Kit.

Send me a PM and let us know how you are doing!!

Good luck in the new job and the move!!!!

I am not a career person at all, and at my age now, all I want is a job that gives me some extra household money and gets me out of the house a couple of days a week.

But, if I were younger, the whole scenario might have been appealing to me.

Hey William! Glad to see you've made the decision.

My first reaction when I saw this was....well, if I felt I could handle the work I'd probably take it, depending on:

I'd have to take the cost of living there into account (vs. where I'm at now). You know, the housing thing and all.

If my wages now were satisfactory, I wouldn't let the money be the deciding factor. Money ain't everything if you're working your ### off and never see your family.

I would take it, specially if the hours won't increase. I'm not afraid of responsibilities. Good luck

1) I could find another comparable position, but it does take time. By most estimates, it takes 4-6 months to actually begin at a new job. (Given the application process, interviews, hiring decision, relocation, etc.)

2) I like Denver enough to relocate, but I will definitely be assuming some level of risk. I am somewhat confident that I can avoid the hatchet, as upper management has finally realized that a specialist is needed for this position. (The others were not).

I'm not too familiar with Missouri and I'm too lazy right now to look it all up but isn't there a substantial increase in your cost of living that will go right along with that increase in salary? When you take all that into consideration is it *really* that big of a jump?

Just spitballin' here in case you haven't sealed the deal yet.


I mean I could take a job in say North Carolina which would pay less money and would be less responsibility and yet I'd actually be getting an increase in my disposable income, you know what I mean? I'm sure you've thought all of this through though but to me it would have to be a definite $35k increase to have that much more responsibility.

Exactly. Is the sacrifice/stress worth the pay off? I would MUCH prefer time with my husband/family than a bigger check/"better job"...