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Nanusia & Lukaszek
My fiance went to get his drivers license about a month or so ago, and I guess they registered him for Selective Service?

Does this apply when coming on a K-1 visa?? I thought selective service was only for permanent residents & citizens?

Can they call him to duty? And most importantly how do we get him off this list?

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Karin und Otto
I guess the short answer is Yes... but it's not registering for the military...it's registering for the draft so to speak, which we haven't had in the US since the Vietnam days..thank goodness

ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES
& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!

If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636.

Be sure to register before your 26th birthday. After that, it's too late!

Selective Service does not collect any information which would indicate whether or not you are undocumented. You want to protect yourself for future U.S. citizenship and other government benefits and programs by registering with Selective Service. Do it today

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Nanusia & Lukaszek
Then why does it ask him to send in a copy of his I-94?
jundibasam
QUOTE(Nanusia & Lukaszek @ Apr 26 2007, 07:00 PM) *
My fiance went to get his drivers license about a month or so ago, and I guess they registered him for Selective Service?

Does this apply when coming on a K-1 visa?? I thought selective service was only for permanent residents & citizens?

Can they call him to duty? And most importantly how do we get him off this list?

helpsmilie.gif


Its my understanding that any male within the age requirements seeking a benefit of the government may be required to register with selective service regardless of citizenship or residency status, and in my state at least, benefits include driver's licenses. I would check with the attorney general of your state or visit the SS website at www.sss.gov, and unfortunately once registered on the list, there is nothing you can do to remove yourself from it. Its also my understanding that any AOS you may complete once your married to him would include proof that he has already registered for selective service as a requisite to get a green card. Thankfully, the selective service hasn't been used since the early to mid 70's and its unlikely he will ever be drafted anyway.
Karin und Otto
meauxna
One story of what can happen if you do not register:

K-1 Fiance Selective Service?

SSS FAQs: http://sss.gov/QA.HTM
msu17
Does anyone know if after he turns 26 he is taken off the list? My SO will be about 25.5 when he moves here mad.gif
Karin und Otto
QUOTE(msu17 @ Apr 26 2007, 06:33 PM) *
Does anyone know if after he turns 26 he is taken off the list? My SO will be about 25.5 when he moves here mad.gif

I believe you're 'on the list' until you're too old for the military - somewhere in the low to mid 30's I believe...but thats a stretch.. (I could be wrong on the ages though.)

To be candid, it's not (or shouldn't be) something to loose sleep over... our volunteer military is pretty well staffed (I know they're looking for recruits, but we're no where near needing a draft)...
TimsDaisy
I agree with the above. It's highly unlikely that the draft will be started up anytime soon - no matter how low we get on military personnel, it seems.

And if it is something to which you have moral objections, should the situation ever arise, you can go in front of the selective service board and ask to be excused as a conscientious objector, for religious reasons, etc.

Don't lose sleep, as recommended.
kmplisa
QUOTE(msu17 @ Apr 26 2007, 04:33 PM) *
Does anyone know if after he turns 26 he is taken off the list? My SO will be about 25.5 when he moves here mad.gif



I believe the list is always there, but the older you get the less of a chance you'll get called up. We are a long way from a draft, a long long way but if it ever started, they would call 18 year olds first and move up as needed.

you really have nothing to worry about...
msu17
Ya, I'm not worried about it. His dad was a career military man and kinda bumbed when Paul didnt go. Its an issue in the family, so I'm just thinking its going to be a fight between me and my fiance and us and his dad is all... Just thinking if I could tell him (and his dad) when he would no longer be in the draft, it would help.
The Molinas
ages for the military are 17- 42....
Karin und Otto
The basic qualifications for enlistment in the U.S. Army include:

• being from 17 to 34 years old
hmm1
QUOTE(Karin und Otto @ Apr 27 2007, 12:36 AM) *
The basic qualifications for enlistment in the U.S. Army include:

• being from 17 to 34 years old


Nope, 17-42, and well honestly if you want to live here, you should put your name on the list...all male citizens are required...and well when he becomes a citizen he should to...
Karin und Otto
QUOTE(hmm1 @ Apr 26 2007, 11:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Karin und Otto @ Apr 27 2007, 12:36 AM) *
The basic qualifications for enlistment in the U.S. Army include:

• being from 17 to 34 years old


Nope, 17-42, and well honestly if you want to live here, you should put your name on the list...all male citizens are required...and well when he becomes a citizen he should to...

Source; but regardless
hmm1
QUOTE(Karin und Otto @ Apr 27 2007, 12:51 AM) *
QUOTE(hmm1 @ Apr 26 2007, 11:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Karin und Otto @ Apr 27 2007, 12:36 AM) *
The basic qualifications for enlistment in the U.S. Army include:

• being from 17 to 34 years old


Nope, 17-42, and well honestly if you want to live here, you should put your name on the list...all male citizens are required...and well when he becomes a citizen he should to...

Source; but regardless


I am sorry, I hope I didn't offend you, but those are the older standards...before the war.
Nanusia & Lukaszek
QUOTE(msu17 @ Apr 26 2007, 06:33 PM) *
Does anyone know if after he turns 26 he is taken off the list? My SO will be about 25.5 when he moves here mad.gif


I did some online research yesterday, and if you are 26 or over, you are not "required" to register. But once you are on the list, they can only take you off, if your immigration status changes (to whatever they do not accept... I couldnt find more details on this).
Reba
they have raised the volunteer enlistment age to 42, but the selective service age is still 34 if they ever re-instate the draft.

Previous enlistees who completed their service can be re-called regardless of age, but is usually dependent on health, and they usually call up soldiers who've only recently left the service. So usually, in either circumstance, the older you are, the less likely you are to be called up.
ELW
Well yet another thing to remember to do. wacko.gif My fiancé is arriving on May 25 and he will turn 26 on July 1. When is the time to register, right after getting a SSN? What if we don't get a SSN or remember to register before he turns 26? blink.gif

I had wanted to avoid registering even though it is nothing to lose sleep over, but upon reading the website I figure better safe than sorry; we don't want anything coming in the way of benefits like driver's license or citizenship! yes.gif
Reba
there's a box to check on the AOS application that will register him for selective service. Or he can do it separately, probably after he gets an SSN. Forms should be at the post office.
zyggy
QUOTE(Karin und Otto @ Apr 26 2007, 07:43 PM) *
QUOTE(msu17 @ Apr 26 2007, 06:33 PM) *
Does anyone know if after he turns 26 he is taken off the list? My SO will be about 25.5 when he moves here mad.gif

I believe you're 'on the list' until you're too old for the military - somewhere in the low to mid 30's I believe...but thats a stretch.. (I could be wrong on the ages though.)

To be candid, it's not (or shouldn't be) something to loose sleep over... our volunteer military is pretty well staffed (I know they're looking for recruits, but we're no where near needing a draft)...



The Selective Service Act limits draft eligiblth for those persons from 18 to 25. Once you turn 26, you are no longer draft eligible. However, Congress could always change the rules...

Anna C.
Just out of curiosity: I am German and if I am drafted by another country's army I automatically loose the benefit of German citizenship. But I only have a green card. I would be out of citizenship. Wouldn't that be horrible??? What happens to people in that case? Can you say ok I leave the USA in order to keep the only citizenship you have? Cause I figure without any citizenship you have no rights, no protection no whatsoever..... Just asking myself here....
zyggy
QUOTE(Anna C. @ Apr 30 2007, 11:37 AM) *
Just out of curiosity: I am German and if I am drafted by another country's army I automatically loose the benefit of German citizenship. But I only have a green card. I would be out of citizenship. Wouldn't that be horrible??? What happens to people in that case? Can you say ok I leave the USA in order to keep the only citizenship you have? Cause I figure without any citizenship you have no rights, no protection no whatsoever..... Just asking myself here....



That's up to the country that you have your citizenship with. The act of a loss of citizenship would not occur at the point you are drafted, but when you are enlisted. If you are drafted, you always have the option to go back to your country of citizenship and give up your ties to the US before you enlist...

That's the point... if you are going to reside in the US permanently, you have the responsibility to defend your home if the need should arise. The responsibility should not be bourne by US Citizens alone, but by everyone who has made the choice to call the US their home...

The Selective Service Act does not provide for the authorization of a draft by anyone... It only provides for the registration of males between the ages of 18 and 25 and the establishment of selective service boards should the need for a draft arise. (I am the Chair of a Selective Service Board btw).. If there were a need for a draft, Congress would have to pass a law to establish one and the President would have to sign it.

And the responsibility for registering is NOT when your PR status is issued.. It's when you enter the country with the intention of staying... the K-1 visa means that one has the intention of staying...
Arazia
I think it says on the AOS form that it sends information to Selective Service, not to register you, but to make sure you are authorized to register yourself. At least, that's what I got from it, excuse me if I'm wrong. For instance, we just sent our AOS in, and right now, his SSN is not accepted by the Selective Service for registration. I just tried this morning. I'm going to try again after the AOS is actually in the system.
zyggy
QUOTE(Anna C. @ Apr 30 2007, 11:37 AM) *
Just out of curiosity: I am German and if I am drafted by another country's army I automatically loose the benefit of German citizenship. But I only have a green card. I would be out of citizenship. Wouldn't that be horrible??? What happens to people in that case? Can you say ok I leave the USA in order to keep the only citizenship you have? Cause I figure without any citizenship you have no rights, no protection no whatsoever..... Just asking myself here....



It is very difficult to become a stateless person. This is one reason why the US allows for extremely expidited naturlaization for those who are serving in the military...

mawilson
QUOTE(meauxna @ Apr 26 2007, 07:27 PM) *
One story of what can happen if you do not register:

K-1 Fiance Selective Service?

SSS FAQs: http://sss.gov/QA.HTM


QUOTE
"My concern is the "good moral character" component of the N-400. "

What does good moral character have to do with Selective Service? wacko.gif
zyggy
QUOTE(mawilson @ May 1 2007, 03:30 PM) *
QUOTE(meauxna @ Apr 26 2007, 07:27 PM) *
One story of what can happen if you do not register:

K-1 Fiance Selective Service?

SSS FAQs: http://sss.gov/QA.HTM


QUOTE
"My concern is the "good moral character" component of the N-400. "

What does good moral character have to do with Selective Service? wacko.gif



It shows that you are following the law... those who do not follow the law are not of good moral character...

Reba
perhaps not, but they just expected the US government to do what was expected of them and register them as the form says tongue.gif Of course, expecting anything out of any government other than incompetence I suppose could be considered a minor crime. At least a crime against all reason wink.gif

arwensun1965
This is just for Males right? Alarna is 19 years old, she will not have to registar?
mawilson
QUOTE(zyggy @ May 1 2007, 06:07 PM) *
It shows that you are following the law... those who do not follow the law are not of good moral character...

Even if it's a BS law (and everyone knows it), and you refuse to follow it as an act of civil disobedience,
hoping the law will change if enough people break it?

(Not talking about SS - just generally.)
Reba
QUOTE(arwensun1965 @ May 2 2007, 05:01 AM) *
This is just for Males right? Alarna is 19 years old, she will not have to registar?


Yep, men only. Women do not have to register for selective service. Not even women born here.

I think its sexist myself. tongue.gif
arwensun1965
QUOTE
Yep, men only. Women do not have to register for selective service. Not even women born here.

I think its sexist myself. tongue.gif


laughing.gif tongue.gif That has put my mind at rest.
zyggy
QUOTE(mawilson @ May 2 2007, 07:10 AM) *
QUOTE(zyggy @ May 1 2007, 06:07 PM) *
It shows that you are following the law... those who do not follow the law are not of good moral character...

Even if it's a BS law (and everyone knows it), and you refuse to follow it as an act of civil disobedience,
hoping the law will change if enough people break it?

(Not talking about SS - just generally.)



I don't make the rules... Just telling it the way it is...
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