I'm sorry you find it hurtful, but it is honestly the way I feel. And I think you're reading more into what I mean. This whole moving this thread/congrats subforum/etc is silly and pointless. That's not saying I find the people here useless...that's two different things.

I understand people's need to 'give back' and once I'm further along the journey and have more knowledge, I'm sure I'll dispense it too. I think it's great to 'give back' and help others as others have helped you. But no one here is an immigration specialist...and I think there's a very fine line between passing along knowledge and making it part of one's day to update onesself as to the current changes and then dispense that information as if one were a visa helpdesk. But hey, different strokes, whatever.

Now here's my line in the sand. While I like pretty much each and every person who's an 'organizer' or 'scout', I find myself confused by the apparant need to display these 'badges of honor'. We all know certain members always had the capability of moving stuff....and hey, if that's what's needed, then fine! But why title it? I don't say that out of anything but pure curiosity. Does it serve some validation of sorts?

And what I also find silly and pointless is the amount of threads that have been moved...so much so it's caused an apparant kerfuffle with people as this is the umpteenth time it's been brought up. Some threads stay, others get moved...and it's 'all for the good of ease with information' or whatever the reason is, yet there was really not much confusion beforehand. We share each other's highs and lows...but now certain threads are deemed not as meritorious as others...and the K-1 forum? PUT PROBLEMS IN THE MAIN FORUM! but slink off to some congrats siberia for good news cos it might hurt or upset people or it's cluttering or what have you.

So please don't read into what I say and turn it into something it's not....I'm hardly subtle as it is. The people here are great and whatnot, but forgive me for saying but the power trips are not.


after all, not just anyone can move a thread


ETA: I myself find it hurtful that you feel the need to question what I gain from this site merely for disagreeing with you. Surely the passion which I display for these changes at least shows that I give a sh!t about this site, if not I wouldn't much care, would I? My reasons for being here are just like anyone else's...and the fact that they are questioned is shocking tbh...obviously there were delays in my case which prevented us from filing so as I'm not 'down the line' there's not too much I can say firsthand from experience, is there? But I help out when I can...you should remember that, no?

Why are topics relevant to a K-1 being moved? Who's doing this? Obtaining a police report is definately relative to the K-1 visa process and two of these threads have been moved. What the heck's going on?

Hmm...It seems this ' Move ' titled threads have been created in the K-1 Forums then moved. Afterwards, another one is created then moved again. This is probably the 3rd or 4th one that will moved to the Site Updates Forums. It's like a chu-chu train.

Well, how to obtain one in the UK is probably better suited to the UK forum, dontcha think?

MRS BILLY BONG,

Obtaining a police report is also relevant to K3 visas and to immigrant visas. What's the 1 forum that ties these visas all together, where instructions for obtaining police reports are given to visa applicants, and where police reports are submitted?

Yodrak

Perfect....Now I have someone to blame for moving all the damn posts! Meauxna - it IS pointless and silly and for you to have your heart broken by someone actually saying that only means you are a bit too socially attached to this forum. Most of us actually are on here to gain / share information on our journey.

Yup, go on and put it up there, is that what it's all about?



Please ask Ewok to post publically to clarify this. I am with you on this one. I didn't want or ask for the 'job' or the title. I preferred when the title was NOT displayed. I do not think it adds anything to me, my persona here or the information I post. I think it detracts.



Yet again, this needs to be taken directly to the one and only person who can and maybe will do something about it: Ewok. It is HIS site, HIS decision how to organize things, HIS call how forums are organized. It is HIS words you mock and I would like to see it discussed directly there. If the site is not to your liking, my liking or anyone else, shop with your feet & go elsewhere. We've already covered that there is more than one way that people like to use immigration sites, and there is one out there to suit every flavor.



You have used 'without merit' or a variation of that many times this week. Maybe someone replied to you about it or maybe not--that is not MY interpretation (nor have I read that intention from anyone else who advocates the Yippee forum) but by continuing to bang the drum, do you hope it's admitted as fact? Are you not taking the joy from the Yippee threads by creating a new truth about them?
One couple was forward enough to post how they felt about the Yippee threads; who knows how many they do (or do not) speak for? What IF not everyone sees it the way you do? Or the way I do? That's the conversation that was going on with Ewok, so I'll say it again, it's his site and he has got to lay down the way it is. Otherwise, this kerfuffle *will* just recyle, quarter after quarter, or however often it comes up.



And yet, you really just wanted to get one more dig in (and have your forgiveness in advance)? What power trips? I actually don't have a dog in this fight--I don't care what forums we have, or which decision is made about moving things. When I have something to add, I throw it in, but I'm not invested in the result.

Lisa, did it ever occur to you that a member designation is just that - a designation?

That in fact it might put the onus on people to be just a little more cautious, and a little less 'power-trippy' than you would have us all believe?

You really *do* have a reading comprehension problem.

Whatever my feelings on all the moving, I think it can only be a good thing for this forum to have so much discussion in and attention on the Site Discussion forum. Nice.

I would think so...

There was a post of mine that I felt was moved improperly and I simply requested for it to be moved back via a PM. All this public debate over symantics on a "FREE" website is a tab over-the-top. Get with the powers that be and see if there can be an open dialog about the direction of VJ instead of generating a controversal thread that creates finger pointing directed at those who monitor this site. Nowadays, we have all these lone rangers that want to be the "Sheriff!" No pun intended. LOL! Some of you know that I can NOT cast the first stone because I've had my share of outrageous moments. That I'd rather forget (mind you) but that's another conversation. I was on my cycle. Men have cycle's too so don't laugh.

Anyway, there it is... My five cents. Can somebody please give me back my change?

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

I have obviously missed some stuff around here.

What is "scout" all about in member's groups. And when did all these people become organizers?

LisaD,

I agree with you on this. I would just as soon be anonymous, and the label of 'Scout' is not under my name or in my profile by my choice. Being 'labeled' restricts my ability to post as freely as I might like at times.

On the other hand, when VJers don't like the actions taken by organizers and scouts they know - collectively - who to blame.

Yodrak

It's the VJ caste system

I didnt want a damn pop quiz Yod. Think about this..The same questions come up again and again for EVERY forum on this site. People who post a question about a police report in a K1 forum are obviously working on a K1 visa. You people are going to end up over analyzing these posts to the point of depleting the entire K1 forum..ie. question from a UK resident moves to UK forum...or somewhere in the middle of a relavent post about the G325 for a K1 a person starts talking about AOS and *POOF* it gets moved. This forum was much better before the Move Happy Organizers (my opinion of course) even with the YIPPEES and Man I Miss My Man threads. You're all making more work for yourselves than need be.

Even if in error.

Can I have my cast in pink, please?

I married a Brahmin, so I'm good. j/k

But still wondering, what does the "scout" part mean?

Hey...

I've only noticed one scout and several organizers. Anyway, there is only one Sheriff. Yeah Baby Yeah!!!

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

lol, just found it funny how many times it was mentioned in this thread alone.



Agreed. But if you didn't want the job are you saying it was forced on you?



As this is a forum which Ewok reads, that's pretty much covered by my posting. I didn't start this thread, but I can certainly contribute to it. Why not tell everyone to stop making threads and take it up with Ewok?

Also, as Ewok has asked people's opinions and seems to be monitoring how this new format is working, it's good feedback for him and I'm sure he's interested in hearing both sides of the coin.



Yes I have. Because that's how the threads are being treated now. One doesn't have to be so literal to expect to see what I said repeated verbatim...but tell me....we're using this 'more useful information readily available' ruler to judge which threads go where when I see them all as being useful and purposeful and not pushed off into other places.



That is why it is important to encourage all viewpoints...not question one's motives for being on this site or put it down to 'socializing' because someone offers an opposing opinion. Or by saying 'hey you don't like it, leave' Why should people speak up if they're going to get personally slammed for 'going against the tide?' No, of course it really wasn't a slam...but you took something I said, made it into something else, and then had the nerve to question why I'm here. Why are YOU here? Well, I'd pretty much say that's what brought me...as well as every other person....here. Disagreeing with something doesn't make it otherwise. And isn't the whole point here to be social and develop cameraderie? Or is it the case of 'unless you have a visa pending at some stage, you cannot be social on vj'? If that's the case, then hoo boy!



I don't need 'forgiveness' but it's a figure of speech to sort of cushion what I said because I'm sure some will take it personally when it's just meant to be 'matter of fact'

I'd say no....it's not the whole point.

It's a by-product. But not the whole point.

Of course it's a designation...what else could it be? But I think it's part of what's silly and pointless about all these new changes.

Lookit....people wanna be organizers and scouts...that's GREAT. I think the difference in names is silly too...you should all be called mods and that's that. Dressing it up as 'scouts' and 'organizers' just sounds really quite stupid to me. If you can move a thread, you are moderating the discussion, therefore you are a moderator. If it walks like a duck, and talks like it, I'm not going to call it a 'webbed water dweller'....I'll call it a duck.

As to your second point, I disagree. I think it's cause for power trippy, not preventing it.




I'd be very careful how you proceed because all this is is a social network of people sharing experiences, nothing more nothing less. Calling it something different could be cause for concern, no?

The Sheriff is a "Sexy Beast!"

BRAVO Lisa......

Well said and I think a lot of people feel exactly the same way...

I would like to know how the Scouts and organizers are picked????? do they apply or are they chosen??? if so what criteria is used to make the choice?

Kez

LisaD...

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU... I would call it a 'webbed water dweller' because it sounds funny.

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling aka "Sexy Beast"

MRS BILLY BONG,

Yes indeed, the same questions come up in numerous forums.  And in those cases where there is one forum where all questions on a particular topic can reasonably be posted for the most benefit to the most people then it's arguable that the one forum is where all the questions on that topic should be.

I agree with you that when a post has multiple issues, and some of the issues belong in the forum where the post was made, then the post should stay where it was posted. But the example you gave is not clear - the I-485 for AOS requires a G-325A, so if a K1 is asking questions about G-325A to be submitted for AOS then the post belongs in the AOS forum. The fact that the person is adjusting status from K1 is not relevant, adjustment is the issue and adjusting from K1 is the same as adjusting from K3 or adjusting from any other non-immigrant status.

Yodrak

PS - but it is annoying when someone moves a thread out from under you while you're trying to reply to a post in it!

C'mon Lisa, you are brighter than that and you know it.
The comment was made many time because Daisy continued to think/post that anyone could move threads.
I've reworded this three times so as not to offend: I do not see how you drew either of those two conclusions from what was written. It's a great arguing technique, but I didn't think we were arguing!

I think you missed the rest of my intention by reading my words as hostile to you instead of what they said. I don't know what the yardstick is that Ewok uses to measure usefulness etc.

As for the power tripping, people have been thread movers for ages now & I haven't seen any evidence of power tripping over it. I see people doing their best to respond to the requests they've had from Ewok.

You crack me up SU!

if people here would think before posting into a forum there would be no need to move anything...................

After 74 posts finally someone synthesizes it into its most basic component....

I'm sure some people are new and are not sure if they are posting in the right place, or it could be a gray area post that could fit in to several places.

I see the usefulness of moving threads, but after peaking at the k1 forum, it looks really strange when 1/2 the front page threads are moved threads. It seems confusing.

I still just wanna know what "scout" means?

I see the climate of VJ has changed (and imo not for the better) now that the designations are listed. That 'not everyone can be a mod' was the easiest example, but there are way more should you go look.

Make no mistake about it....I wouldn't ever want to be a mod here...not because I don't want to 'give back'... but because I've been very vocal all along that I feel mods are unnecessary.

You and I are not fighting as such....I do happen to be quite annoyed that you'd belittle my VJ presence by saying:



My attitude is one from voicing an opinion about a place I've been for well over a year. Sure, there are people here wayyy longer than me...but I'm not in the habit of pizzing away my time, therefore this site obviously means something to me. To have it dismissed away by detracting from the 'collective effort' here was a bit out of line imo. You personally know how I'm willing to help anyone...so surely we can stick to the matter at hand and not take pot shots? Or if I'm misunderstanding here, please tell me how voicing an opinion...albeit not a favorable one....proves how I detract from the 'effort that is vj'.



Stina....'scouts' can temp lock topics as well as move them, 'organizers' can only move (I think)



But Deano, the rules have changed now. That's the confusing thing!

And they keep changing AND don't apply equally throughout the site...

Have they been listed for awhile? I never noticed before, but can't say I ever looked.

The reason why I had the impression that anyone could post was because of this post - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=839170 - where the poster said " I want to say first that I am "nobody" as far as taking it upon myself to post this...I just move threads (like *many* others)," - and it struck me as odd because I didn't know there were people other than moderators who moved stuff. If it said "organizer" there even when it was first posted, fine. I didn't see it. Never paid attention to those parts of the sidebars. My fault for not paying attention.

It's fine if there are levels of members here - makes sense. It'd be a big place for CEwok to patrol on his lonesome. Doesn't bother me if some are designated whatever. Nor does the presence of their titles bother me. Some have been here a long time and should be able to help take responsibility for site management.

And as someone with experience in running websites, I say, whoever's site it is gets to make the rules - go with it. I'll express opinions, but the final say is theirs and I have no sense of entitlement to anything else.

In fact, I think I already said less democracy here on the site is a good thing!

Sorry to have stirred this sort of pot now, meauxna with the designations and what not - definitely an unitended consequence.

They were chosen by Captain Ewok.... not sure what criteria he used though....

It is getting quite disconcerting that so many threads are being moved. In the K1 forum right now, as I'm typing this, there are 13 threads displayed on the fist page (besides the 2 pinned ones at the top) and 7 of them show as being moved somewhere else. Its getting to where by the time I finish reading the thread, especially if it has a couple of responses already, its been moved somewhere else.
I'm not sure, but there was some mention that a more comprehensive guide for moving the various threads around was going to be published....can we not wait until that is up an running, before so many posts are moved?

I'd like to see you site specific examples of what you keep referring too.



It's a place for research.Does that concern you?

I was alerted that my feedback would be valuable in this thread and I agree.

The Scout/Organizer titles were simply at the time created by me as a way to organize the groups of people who were gracious enough to help spot some threads that had been posted in the wrong forum or in some cases if a spammer or other crazy thread occured to help lock it down pending my review if required. The titles are not a merit badge or status line. In fact, I think most people would consider it a burdon to have to help out and spot these things instead of just letting someone else do it. I think that the people in these groups also do not care about the title in general and I am betting if I put no title at all people would be ok as well. I wanted the roles to not be 'hidden' or behind the scenes and wanted transparency so there were no conspiracy stories and that drove the title as much as anything. So if bottom line there is a concern about titles then please PM me and we can even remove them if they are really a problem.

As for moving threads... there has probably been too much or possibly better put, a lack of consistency. For this everyone can please blame me on and not the organizers. I have been trying to write a guide for this for about two weeks and have been stuck on other issues instead. On a bright note the other issue is now resolved -- we are on a new faster server that should make the site less slow or erratic on response times in peak hours. Now that I have more time I will get back to the Guide on moving which will certainly make things more consistent and less subjective on when things get moved.

Also I would ask that everyone feel free to give ideas on how to make the site better. No one should attack each other for their ideas as in the end I would be the one deciding on implementing things and no member should be blamed ever for any changes. I think we all just want to make the site as good as it can be and rational polite debate is always good if it is productive and not destructive.

Thank you and please PM me any time you have anything to ask regarding the site .

I am writing a guide to give more consistency on when things will be moved. Hang in there... I have been busy but now I am going to get to this soon .

Can we all go to Disneyworld now?

My comments were overcome by events, but I suggest simply email Captain Ewok to work things out instead of investing energy in threads that cause more harm than good. - Thanks Captain Ewok...

I am going to the correct forum to discuss this. Thank you all for your support, input, information, and suggestions. Hopefully I can make come up with some ideas that will be helpful in the development of the standards by which threads are organized with the least impact to site navigation.

CB

Can you please PM Captain Ewok instead of creating threads to display your displeasure? Thanks

I am merging this with the other similar threads...

Because they are posted in the wrong forum... Whoa!!!

Merging.

Oh my goodness, what happened to my thread. It was merged. I can't take the pressure. LOL!!!

I feel that an accurate description of this site is a site for layperson hearsay and support. The research here should be 'deemed reliable but not guaranteed' as no one here is an immigration attorney dispensing legal cousel for compensation. First and foremost, this place should officially be regarded as a place for socializing, hearing stories about laypersons' interpretations of the laws as they see them, swapping 'war stories' and the like.

I think you know what I'm getting at!
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E, thank you for your response. I will try to be more openminded as the kinks get worked out.

No Lisa I don't know what you are getting at.