I just wonder why a post that is made by someone sharing the joy of a successful interview would be moved from this subforum.

People here are sharing their joys and pains, their lives basically as what we share here is the most important thing in the world to us .. and then for someone to move a post that the OP wants to share with their "online family" from this subforum to the Foreign Embassy and Consulate General Discussion (like anyone here goes to that forum this early in the stage) just to get lost on page whatever as it can never be bumped back to the top is very frustrating to say the least. I cannot see where it would hurt anything to leave it here and maybe copy it to the second forum if it applies there as well.

Just a thought,
CB

Was wondering about that one myself, CB.

I dunno, maybe because the OP mentioned a specific consulate in the thread title or maybe moved to bring a little less 'chaos' and more organization to the forum. I admit, not sure it was a big deal to just let the thread stay where it was...

I've also seen some of the Visa Approved posts moved to the Foreign Embassy/Consulate thread, and wondered why move the post? Especially since I thought this sub-forum was created just for this, updates on each person's case status. I guess this sub-forum is just for case status updates at the service centers....once the petition gets approved, the visa approval notice is more appropriately displayed in the Foreign Embassy/Consulate thread.
You're right, people that are still waiting for approvals may rarely go to the consulate thread, since it is not applicable to their particular situation...yet. Unless you are doing research ahead to know sort of "what to expect next," then you may visit that thread. Perhaps this allows for more organization....so that posts are better categorized in the various threads available on VJ.

It's helpful to others coming down the pike to read recent accounts of consulate interviews.

If the joy can be shared while others learn, is that ok?

Overzealous Organizer? Celebration Police? It's a shame to see things moved. I know over in the MENA forum, we put in the title "Please don't move" You might want to try that.

Jackie

*cough** Discrimination

Against what or whom?

I see the logic behind the organization (be a bit of an organization freak myself) but I also can see the benefits of being able to follow the ENTIRE process of our specific kind of visa in one place. BAH BAH - yeah all been rehashed over and over. Gonna just shut up and go to work now. No sleep and no coffee yet. Just ignore me.

*EDIT: typo

Dan, as you get further along in the process, your 'visa type' becomes less of an issue.

For instance, at the consulate - aside from collecting some different types of forms for a specific visa - well the interview itself for a family based visa is somewhat vanilla. Someone processing through the UK for a K1 visa will benefit from reading consular accounts for CR1, K3 and all sorts of family based visa interviews. All of these 'stories' aid those processing in the near future to 'take the temperature' of the consulate and prepare themselves emotionally for the 'big day'.

Stateside - well - adjusting status is fairly vanilla. There are some differences from visa type to visa type, but they are slight compared to the entrie AOS experience.

You see what I mean? As one moves through the immigration experience, the information needed changes. Support of friends is helpful - but everyone's journey will take a different pace, and you will find your 'filer buddies' spread about this community at various different phases.

The longer you've been here, you will find you can still keep track of your friends. And you'll make new ones as you take each step in the journey.

Becca, I understand your point-I really do.
However; what about all the "packet 3 and 4, interview, POE and AOS" experiences etc etc etc stories and questions that are in the regional forums? I do not see nearly as much thread movement from there to the main Immigration forums as there is from the K-1 forum.
To me-following your valid reasoning for moving threads-shouldn't all threads pertinent to a specific stage of the process be moved INCLUDING those posted in Regional Forums? {I am NOT taking about special case questions [like MENA A/R for example],} I am talking about experiences/questions that could actually apply to any Embassy or situation no matter where or what type of visa.
I really think that if threads are going to be moved because they apply to "something that might benefit everybody", then why not from the Regional Forums too?

I agree with you.

We are waiting on some clarification from Ewok on this. I personally moved some threads from the UK forum that were consular specific and there was some concern about this. Captain indicated that 'some' discussion about consulates perhaps belong in the Regional forums. He's working on some 'guidelines' for that.

I would love to see Regional sections within the consular forum. It's my opinion (but I am just one person and that's my opinion only) that this would resolve the issue.

And I would personally like to see the Regional forums dissolved. I'd rather see one forum where we could all talk about the different countries - I think it would be a great learning experience.

can I just interject here? I understand what you are saying here bolded. You would get to see glimpses of the process in the future, and may very well be able to absorb more information as it comes along in this fashion. I see how that can be helpful. Can I just say we have a great graphic the gives a whole outline of the K1 process, and everyone knows when dealing beyond the USCIS service centers it goes on to NVC--> consulate. These forums were split due to the difference in workflow, and now due to the sheer size of VJ, makes sense!

Is it that people are tired of seeing the little moved flags, and are just generally annoyed? Is it the opinion that people are moving things erroneously (these things can be subjective!)? I guess I dont see the big deal about moving a YIPPEEE i got my visa from this forum into the forum that houses all this consulate-related information.

When we were approved at the consulate level, many of our 'VJ friends' had already moved from posting in the K1 forum to the Consulate forum. So I posted Wes' visa approval story there.

But I did post it also in K1 with a little note saying the whole story could be read in Consulates, and I did that so our other friends could find it.

I understand what is being said here. Everybody just wants their friends to know the good news.

The 'problem' - for lack of a better word - is that anecdotal posts of consulate experience are (IMO) valuable to the community as a whole. Kind of like information for the greater good.

I thought one of the purposes of the sub-forum was for exactly this... to post progress reports and congratulatory posts... A "YIPPEE VISA APPROVED" in my eyes fits that definition.... To me it was more a YIPPEE post than anything to do with a particular consulate

I guess I don't know which post was moved. If they contain consular information, yes I think they should be moved.

TECHNICALLY, I believe this new forum is for I129F approvals. Not the visa approval, which is not only an entirely different matter, but an entirely different function performed by an entirely different branch of DHS.

Look at the title... K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reports

Does not say I-129F filing and progress reports... The case isn't complete until the visa is issued...

You're right. IMO the subforum was added too quickly with not enough thinking it through. The title is all wrong for starters, plus many of us thought it should be an entire Yippee forum for all yippee posts, NOT just those related to the K1 or I-129F.

I think we should all just hold out until the moving guide comes out and hope that it will clear up a lot of this confusion.

You've got a point there.

You got a suggestion maybe? I mean, USCIS doesn't issue visas. Consulates do.

I remember being TOLD (back when I was a newbie) that I had posted in the wrong place. And not in PM's either.

Has the movement of threads 'helped' anybody out there? Helped like..... to really think about the process?

Personally I don't feel any of the thread movers are on any sort of knowledge ego trip. I do think we want to help members learn to think through the process - to become more responsible for their case.

So by merely mentioning that a visa was issued in London, Kiev or Montreal automatically sets up a thread to be moved to the Foreign Consulate forum.... Or if it is a YIPPEE our case has left NVC will require it to move to the NVC forum

I don't see anywhere where we establish a distinction that the YIPPEES are only for USCIS activity... All visas typically transit 3 different components (USCIS, NVC, Consulate) within 2 different agencies (DHS, DOS) within our government

I agree that if a thread goes deep into the idiosyncracies of how a particular consulate works then it might be better served in a different forum

I think it's safe to say that some posts can fit into more than one category. That goes for almost any post, you know?

So do you think all 'Yippees' should be in one place? I'm sort of liking that idea myself. I'd like to be able to more readily see the progress of people from all stages. I think it would be more interesting and would also help us all 'see' each other better.

I don't want to speak for CB, but I think that was the original point... If it fits in more than one forum and if one of those forums was the forum it was originally posted in, then don't move it.....

You didn't answer my question.........................

Yes I did... I replied to your first question... unless of course now yo uare going to tell me it was rhetorical...

As for your second question, I think it would be fine... I also think that though the current set up might be slightly flawed it is also workable but that there is simply too much thread moving going on.... Maybe after the initially education process occurs, maybe things will settle down a bit...

I agree there IS too much thread moving going on.

Most of the movement seems to be out of K-1 into whatever thread, with hardly any moved threads from K-3 or virtually NONE from CR1 or regional.
It might very well be that the K-1 forum has the most misplaced posts, but it seems to get concentrated on far more than elsewhere. Standards need to be the same across the board. Give the same attention to each forum as it seems [to me looking at the volume and distribution of moved threads] "movers/organizers" are descending in just one place "to move and organize".

I agree yippee threads should stay (for the most part) in the yippee subforum. If they discuss a particular consulate in detail, I understand the move, but many of them are just yay we got our visa. I know I am perfectly capable of scrolling as well, but seeing half the topics on one page being flagged also gets a bit overwhelming. I do appreciate the new subforum however!

I think I've been miffed about and bitching about the seemingly increased moving for the past few days - ever since the subforum opened, and especially since the post in the main K1 forum about putting things in the right place (where I learned that anyone can move things, which strikes me as a bit too democratic to maintain order in the forums).

For my thinking: I am sort of purposefully only dipping a toe into the next steps here - I know a good overview, but the particulars I'll have questions abotu and learn more about as we move into the next phase. So I'm all I-129F all the time. Once we get outta USCIS, I'll start learning about the next agency/department more. Educated baby steps to sanity, kids. So when too much stuff gets moved, I tend to lose track of it, even when it crosses-over to this topic area.

Perhaps pure yippeees should get their own area, but the longer, massive "Jan filers" type threads should stay pinned at the top? Even just at the top of the subforum? that way maybe we have fewer of them since people don't look and then start another?

Eh. Whatever. There's no way to get through everything here. But I liked the old way better.

That's not true, not everyone can move threads.

LOL.

The old way....

We didn't have ANY regional forums and no 'monthly filer' threads.

I'm not gonna wax eloquently about 'how it was better' cause I'm not sure it was. BUT I can say with a good degree of certainty - we tended to form friendships a lot more easily with people from other areas of the globe and we were more aware of challenges faced at different embassies.

Certainly each to their own way of doing things, but how can you be all I-129f all the time? It's been mailed, it's sitting in a bin, on a shelf, waiting for its 15 minutes of fame--what is there to know/do about it? Move on, IMO, to moving issues, knowing how to get the SS#, DL, the minutia of life. Have everything ready for the interview.. shoot ad naseum

You expressed yesterday that you were losing track of things.. I still don't see how, when clicking on the thread title take you *to the thread* just like it *ever did*. Youi don't have to care about wehre it was moved to *ever* if you choose not to.


btw, the irony of having this thread posted here instead of in Site Feedback where it will at least get the attention of the person who can do something about it, does not escape me.


CountryBoy and others: mu suggestion is to offer a SOLUTION other than 'the way it was. If a change is inevitable (it is) and you don't like the direction it is going, come up with an alternative that will address *your* wants AND The Changers' need list. The site is getting too strung out, something needs to be done about it, and simply saying 'I don't like it' will not get you what you want. There is major merit in r-jo's suggestion.. You will learn more about your OWN visa application process by reading the experiences of others outside your geographic area.

If people need better help keeping track of their buddies, and who has had victory etc, then we need to learn how to use the tools of the site better--software is here to help us. There are buddy lists and subscriptions and all sorts of gizmos on this site to help us keep track of conversations. Having a thread cross posted over four forums serves no one well either, and contributes to the problem of too many threads. Moving threads and leaving the redirection does the same thing.

FTR, I think the K-1 forum seems to have the most moved because it does have the most misplaced posts. It's also the area you are most sensitive to right now.

meauxna,

Indeed. It's all I can do to keep my finger off the button!

Yodrak

I got a chuckle out of that too-[the irony] doubly so because so many " movers" have posted on it and none have moved it yet!!!!!

The K-1 application actually not the stage I am at. [if you were refering to my comment] I tend to be in Regional, AOS and O/T, Polls and such.
It is noticeable that that particular forum does get more moved threads[ and I understand there are indeed more misplaced threads there], but why are none of the other forums being " organized too? That was my point, and suggestion to get some guidelines together in place to provide a set "criteria" for movement of threads.

*hides head in shame*

I wanted to but was afwaid!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

tmma,

Captain Ewok has posted his intention to work on such guidelines. In the Site Feedback section.

Yodrak

I encourage everyone to visit the Site Discussion forum and give their input - it is up to everyone to give their support /opinions - don't be shy, your opinion counts too.

Main Site Suggestion Forum Page
Forum Full Of Moved Threads
AOS Secondary Forum
New K1 Sub Forums

(And I see someone couldn't resist moving this thread )

Perhaps if the Organizers were each allocated a certain area each to keep an eye on it might make the movement of threads a bit more universal. Plus then there wouldn't be contradictory viewpoints of what would need to moved and what should stay.

For example: 2 Organizers for the K-1, 2 for the K-3 and so on. If there are more forums than organizers then some people can have two or three to keep an eye on. If you also had two people to a forum it covers all your bases if someone is away etc.

I forwarded that suggestion to Ewok earlier--it's the only way, IMO, to keep the moving under control.


tmma: the other forums have been organized the same as K-1; again, I'd suggest that there were simply more posts in K-1 that 'needed' organizing.

It comes down to classifying what belongs in each area. Since the guidelines covering that are being drawn up now, now is the time to give your input. This will probably be most successful if you give concrete criteria AND a justification for including it. Something more than 'just 'cuz' and something that takes into account the complaints/requests of the School of Thought opposite to yours.

Oh good, I think it would really help things.

for chissakes, and then this post gets moved. i give up.

and meauxna, perhaps i'll watch the hyperbole from now on - of COURSE i've gone ahead in the process. just not into the other forums here to become an active participant.


i no longer care about this issue. it really doesn't, as you point out, effect totally how we keep up on threads. i just find it annoying, and even more so now that i know ANYONE can move stuff. (i have less of a problem with you, yodrak, fwaguy, or a moderator doing so).

WADR (I've been saying that a lot lately) VJ seems to be turning communist! I don't say that to insult, but it's actually a great description of what's going on here lately.

"the good of all supercedes the happiness of many'

Gupt posted a spoon fed pic that seems so appropriate these days. Everything is done 'for more ease of information' when any old timer can tell you that he/she managed just fine beforehand. This all seems so pointless and silly.

Once again, not just anyone can move stuff.

Daisy, what do you mean? Anyone can't.

I'm lost.

was just going to point that out

certain people are designated has movers/organizers.....

Okay, then I withdraw the previous comments. But someone the K1 forum the other day said he/she moved stuff, didn't recognize them as a mover, and now I can't tell who can move and who can't, except that whomever can has been doing so A LOT lately it seems. Could be that people are just posting in the wrong place more lately. Chicken and egg?

Whatever - stuffs going to get moved. As meauxna said, the little "moved" flag is still there and while I find it obnoxious to suddenly find myself in a different forum, whatever.

In the grand scheme of things - this is the least of our collective problems.

on the left hand side under the avatar etc.. there is something that says Group: members, and if someone is a mover it will say organizer....

Thanks for saying that, because I couldn't figure out what was troubling about it. Personally, I rarely visit specific forums; I prefer to view new posts. I didn't even consider that someone might not like being taken automatically to a different forum.

I can't imagine what the problem would be in finding myself in a new forum, but that's the point of this whole discussion, really. Understanding that everyoe uses the site in one of several different ways. You simply can not cater to everyone's wants, so it is up to The Big Giant Head to call some shots, and if users feel strongly enough about having things "their way" and can make a compelling case they should speak up and speak directly. No back handed complaining threads---there IS no Visa Journey Corporation!

Talk about the olden days.. I DO prefer the way I did it (of course I do, it was the done thing *in my time*). There was ONE forum, everyone shared it, information passed around easily, people could share experiences that were useful (just because I was moving from Greece didn't mean there was no merit in how someone successfully moved from Australia--we got ideas from each other). There wasn't this obsession with finding The One Way to do everything and people tended to think for themselves a bit more. And you know what? We all got our visas in good time and live happily ever after.

VJ clearly has more traffic now than that group had at the time so one forum isn't enough. but as the split/split/split threads (April 17 biometrics appointments: gather here!!!) divide everyone down to the nth degree, the whole thing is becoming less useful. You've got to give people guidelines at some point and take action to keep them conforming. Usenet offered its own code of conduct that people followed, and users felt a sense of community respect/responsibility to each other. I don't see that here as often.

Tim'sDaisy: Not just anyone can move threads. In case you missed the memo.

I find that a hurtful thing to read, actually. I just figured out what the people who are advocating the re-org have in common: They answer immigration related questions from anyone/everyone. They investe time in making sure they are current with a wide variety of information and they engage in conversations with others to learn new information that they can share with others. They monitor USCIS press releases, congressional action, and reports from actual offices. They put out effort to save people money, time and heartache.

Your attitude directly subtracts from that collective effort and leaves me looking at what it is you gain from being here, other than socialization. From your point of view, I can then see why you think it's all pointless and silly.

I agree 100%...... Nice post meauxna...

Kez