My fiance was given the blue slip at her interview today. What happens now? What can I do?
Any suggestions would help us immensly!Click to view attachment

Aaron

There are 2 types of rejections that they ca do, one is request more evidence for overcome, other is recommend for revocation, and they send the case back to USCIS. If the first is the case, ask for more relationship evidence, just provide them with the evidence that they want, and overcome the blue slip.

Provide them with:

• Emails showing communications.
• Log of emails too and from.
• Phone records.
• Chat logs, voice logs.
• Cards and letters sent via snail mail.
• Copy of passport showing entry/exit stamps, and visas from visiting.
• Receipts from hotels, and itinerary from visiting.
• If your fiancee has relatives in the USA provide a list as per the instructions on the form.
• If you lived together note that, if not them provide a letter stateing that.

Depending on consulate they may accept this at any time after the interview, or may require an appointment to be made to submit the evidence.

Aaron,

Based on your Blue Slip, Thuy does has relatives in the state right? Because they afraid, your case is faked. SO you need to get their information as required by the consulate. Plus, show them prove of your on going relationship with Thuy as YuAndDan listed in his post.

First thing first, please remove your BLUE SLIP or black-out the Case number, and name!
I need to read up on the letter... will be back for input.

Here is another copy of the blue slip--Click to view attachment
Thuy does have other relatives in the U.S. She did mention that the interviewer said there was too many emails talking about the weather. I don't know what they are talking about. Thuy would ask how the weather was sometimes and I would respond with one sentence about the weather. And then move on to the next topic. Thanks for the advice.
Do you think I should write a letter to the Consulate about how I know Thuy's relatives and how they introduced us and invited me to travel with them to Vietnam?
Aaron

Aaron,

The source of this problem are:

1. You know Thuy's relatives
2. Thuy's relatives introduced Thuy to you
3. You came to Vietnam with them

Now, these are the RED FLAGS. That's is why they ask for so much info about Thuy's relatives in the US. You should have written the letter explaining how you two have met since the very beginning. The good thing is they are not denying you yet. They are giving you a chance to convince them. I would hire a lawyer if I were you. I think Tway22 is having the exact problem and he is using a lawyer. If you need the info of the US lawyer practicing immigration in Saigon, ask here and other members will give his info to you.

I did write a letter stating how a friend(Kim) and co-worker that I have known for about 5 years is the cousin of Thuy. And she is the one who introduced us. Kim and her husband are the only relatives that I know in the US. This letter was sent in with the I-129F. The US consulate has the original I-129F right?
If anyone has info on the US lawyer practicing immigration in Saigon, please share any info you have.
Thanks,
Aaron

You need to PM Kevin for a good lawyer contact in Saigon. and I mean you really need a Good lawyer, not some random ones in the States here. You want a lawyer who lives and works in Saigon with good strong professional working relationship and understand HCM Consulate.

Hi Chuck, I did not use this lawyer. Mike and some other members here used him and they all came out winning. Nonetheless, other members here can give him the info. This lawyer does advertise in a Vietnamese magazine here in Houston. I will look him up tonight.

Reading this post got me worried. I was introduced to my fiancee through a relative also. They also went to Vietnam with me the first time that I met her in person. I actually included a signed letter from them that they witnessed our meeting online. How ironic that you say it is a red flag. haha

I wonder if the consulate understands that this is a part of the culture? From what I understand, it is common for Vietnamese people to introduce their family member to a potential spouse. Marriages used to be arranged but now they are more informal but still have ties to that past. Now, they usually ask the relative if she/he is interested in pursuing it further.

Now I'm seriously considering hiring a lawyer before her interview. We just got NOA-2 May 2.

AustinJohn,

When reading these posts online, need to take into account or discount the facts and emotional posts. There is NO solid criteria which may trigger "red flag", having the "beneficiary's relative" in the US introducing you (USC - Petitioner) does or doesn't mean your case will be "blue-slipped". I would wait until you actually get the interview. No amount of work a lawyer can put to prevent a Blue-slip or change the fact that you two indeed met each other through her relatives who live in the US. How do you avoid this potential fraud/doubt triggers? You don't, you can only prepare to face the worst case scenario by having daily conversation over phones/online-chat, writing hand-writen letters and post-cards to one another, don't make trivial mistake like, not sending a birthday card to her or holiday postcards. I am a true believer in "hand-writen" letters weighted more than emails or chat-log! Taking at least 2 trips during your relationship. Buy your own air-fare, no matter how tempting it is for you to say YES when her relatives offer to pay for the trip. Ask why If you don't already know! Get your tax and financial support line-up. Make sure she knows everything about your past marriage/love-interest, family relations etc.

Like I said, there is NO one thing will make or break your case. It's the whole package and think: "BIG PICTURE". Your love is real and you have to put the little facts and proof to provide a solid story and convincing relationship to the Consulate Officer who will interview and decide your fiance's Visa or not. How can you prove your relationship is real???? Then go from there. Hold off on the lawyer, not yet!

Good luck and don't let the little thing stops you!

chuck and kim

I have sent some more evidence to my fiance. She is going to the consulate this week to drop it off. Part of the problem was mistakes on the forms from packet #4. For example: writing her name differently on each form, forgetting to write her mom's whole name down, forgetful stuff like that. She also didn't bring all of our emails to each other. She only gave them the last couple of months of emails. Hopefully it will be enough and we can start our life together.

I hope everything works out for the both of you. You have been given some great advice here. Believe in yourself and your fiancée and have all of your proof together!

Good Luck

You are in Texas now?? Marc Ellis' office also is in Texas - Houston. You can check with Martindart for information about Marc.

Any other friends, who was introduced to your fiance by her Vietnamese American relatives, please pay attention and should ask for an Attorney to help before she goes to the interview. They always give the blue sheet for these cases.

Good luck to you,
Hien

Hien,
Please explain what a lawyer can do to help before interview. Let's assume that I can collect required supporting evidence and submit everything correctly. What will a lawyer do for me at this point? I'm not being arguementative. I'm honestly trying to decide whether I need one yet.

Lawyer can not do anything at this point, you haven't seen the interview decision yet! Most will need the lawyer only when their case is delayed or denied.

AustinJohn,

This is strictly from my own experience. I hired my friend, an immigration attorney, for our K1. Before the interview, all he or should I say his staff did was putting together all the required paperwork. That was it, no more no less. Could I have done the paperwork myseld? Of course, I could. But why didn't I? Because I was lazy. After the interview, our case went straigh to AR for 8 months. Was there anything my lawyer could do to help? Not at all. Why? He tried but he did not know how. I had to ask for help from my congressman and as soon as my congressman stepped in, my wife got her visa.

So, here is my take. If you "can do it yourself" before the interview, go ahead. Then if you have problems after the interview, then contact Marc Ellis (M.E. should have given us a "group buy" discount here since he is such a household name in this forum)

I have to agree with Chuck and Kevin.
Although for me, having a little piece of mind just in case something did go wrong was why I went with Marc.
He did inform me of some evidence they may have requested that I didn't initially provide but I basically did all the
paperwork myself. As it turned out, they never asked to see that evidence but every case is different.

That's the key!!! Think "BIG PICTURE" why do I want to approve this girl's petition and grant her Visa to come to america???? This is where you step in and think of way that best presents your case, or LOVE Story that packed with overwhelming evidence to support it.

Good luck and don't let the little thing trouble you and lose sight of the Big Picture They want to give her a visa, if the case is convincing!!!

Dear AustinJohn,

I'm sorry that I replied you late, I was busy with my new home.

I said that you should ask for help from lawyer as I'm afraid you could not think out any details your fiance / wife need to show and how to say in the interview.

I don't know each case in detail. Only you and your fiance / wife can understand what is the problem in your case. Or you may not know what is the problem. So, when you talk to the lawyer, he can help you to think the way to show evidence and what she should talk to the CO in the interview. He also can train your fiance for the interview date to pass it.

But it's up to you, if you are confident that you can do it by yourself and would ask for attorney's help later when you would get the blue sheet, you can list here your case details: how did you meet her and what kind of evidence you could have,.. so the people in visajourney can help a part.

I'm ready to help if you need.

Good luck to you.
Hien

Chuckandkim,

I agreed with you that we don't need to ask for the attorney to help until we got blue sheet or problem. But it's just the idea of us, the persons who will be not in the interview.

I used to be the person who was in the interview, and I understood that how nervous the fiance / wife must be in the interview date. Someones who can keep calm and can pass it smoothly, but someones who cannot speak eventhough by Vietnamese.

So, the most important thing is to prepare for your fiance / wife in their mind and try to keep their mind be calm to pass this important step.

Good luck to all couples waiting for interview,
Hien

It is NOT just the idea of us, the persons who will not be interviewed. It is just the difference between a well prepared vs. unprepared interviewer. Attorney will not and can not help you PASS the interview if your case is full of lies and frauds and misrepresentation, unverifiable facts and misinformation. What would you or a high paying price lawyer can do but sit back and wait for the interview to do its job? Nervousness, sure everyone has, but to overcome your fear by hiring a lawyer and not take in control of your situation by prepare and more preparation for the interview, in my opinion, it's just a waste of money and in many case, it may delay your process.

I understand some of us may have doubt and fear of the uncertainty, I would be lying if I say I didn't. However, lawyer is NOT the only way to overcome the unknown, remember, it's HCMC we are dealing with, you never know for sure what they will "getcha".

Thanks,

chuck and kim

Come one, chuckandkim.

To look for a lawyer does not mean that they just ask for any lawyer to help them. If they cannot look for a good lawyer, it's better way is none. And not all the lawyers will cost you with the high fee.

I knew that they may not want to hire for the lawyer, that's why I said that they should let us know their story in details to help.

OK, I won't say more about the worst situations I used to face when I worked with lawyer. I'm afraid that will make the couples here are more worried and get upset.

Thank for your advices, chuckandkim.

Hien

Any updates about this case? My fiance also has relatives in america and I dont want to be in this situation. Is there anything I can do to avoid this?

Because you displayed the Viet Cong's flag under your nick that's why they gave the blue slip...

I thought the lower half of the Viet Cong's flag was blue.

I'm preparing for this issue by making sure my fiancee has all of this information before she goes into interview.

how can i take it off?

Why do you want to take it off? Your name looks lovely with the Flag below!!!!

I agree with chuchandkim because of my experience with a lawyer. I used a firm to prepare and do all the documents for my k1 but it was disappointing. This seems like a recurring theme but: this all happened before i found VJ. We all can definately do this on our own with the help of this forum, no doubt about it and everyone will have their own reasons to use a lawyer (i was lazy and i didnt have enough resources (ie VJ) at the time to do it on my own). i agree that you only use a specialist as a lawyer as a last ditch effort if your case is in dire need of it and no one here had gone through it or cannot get back to you on a reasonable timeframe. Some cases i think there is no question, like a green or fraud....

Anyways, with the bad experience i had with my so called expert immigration lawyer (M. Solomon out of NY), getting help from this forum is not only quicker but also more accurate. Because we have a collection of people here who are going through this or has gone through this, it makes more sense to talk to the poeple who are in the same boat as you. The emotional support is huge, not to mention the EXPERIENCE. With lawyers, they may have more experience than every one here combined? i doubt it!

About your case, listen to chuckandkim: think BIG picture. Put your relationship on a pedestal and try to find angles to knock at it, those are the same angles you would want to make explicitly clear with the consulate. Whether it be evidence or you writing a letter to state your claim, but always try to have supporting credible evidence to back up any and all of your claims, or else they will let you go around in circles like they did in my case. Be clear, be confident, but most importantly: be courteous.

My fiance was denied her visa and they returned everything back to the USCIS. M.E. believes it was because I had made only one trip over there. He said they hardly ever issue a visa if you have only made one trip. He said to send in another I-129F and start over. I mailed another I-129F to the USCIS on July 26. And I will make another trip to Vietnam hopefully later this year.

sorry to hear that! Hang in there!!!

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