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consolemaster
Based on fundraising money, it's a good indication that these two candidates will be leading the Presidential Campaign.

This survey is to find out which ones will be most likely elected president if it comes to those two candidates. If you want to express opinions, then you may.

These two people, if one of them is elected, will make history.
consolemaster
I thought this is one of those debatable threads, and should be popular. Hmm....Seems quiet.
raymaga
I agree that either one of them getting elected will make history. I went with Clinton because I think she'd have that "extra" bit of experience having been married to a prior President.
Savanphil
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Jenn!
I prefer Obama.
Nagishkaw
Neither one dead.gif
LaL
I am sad that Obama has jumped so quickly. Yes, maybe this year will lean more towards a Dem win, and I am quite interested to see his career play out, but I just feel he needs to be more seasoned. I would certainly vote for him vs. "more of the same" though.
consolemaster
Hmm....Still tie.
CherryXS
QUOTE(Nagishkaw @ Apr 4 2007, 01:24 PM) *
Neither one dead.gif

ditto here.
  1. (for Raymaga) WE don't need the experience of that termagant Hilary in White House for another 8 years
  2. The US still isn't ready for non-fictional presidents (there have been fictional examples of each: Jeffrey Archer's "Florentyna Kane" and Tom Clancy's "Robbie Jackson") of any persuasion other than "white male"
mawilson
Oh boy. Talk about having to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Neither!
Alex+R
I like Obama.
Nessa
Oprah for president!! laughing.gif
doodlebug
Obama. I couldn't handle Clinton for 4 much less 8!!!
mmarlo
Where does either one of them stand on any issue? I'm still waiting for one of them to make a stand on some real issue. All you hear from Hilliary is that she'll take no option off the table. And all you hear about Obama is this surprise that he's a black guy who speaks eloquently. Well, I'd like a little more than that from my president. At least John Edwards has staked out a position on a national health care system. My guess is that even though Hilliary was in favor of such a system in the early 1990s she'd have to consult with her pharmaceutical lobbiests to see whether there was any "political support" for such a system. Regardless of what the vast majority of public opinion is in favor of.
Alex+R
QUOTE(mmarlo @ Apr 4 2007, 06:53 PM) *
Where does either one of them stand on any issue? I'm still waiting for one of them to make a stand on some real issue. All you hear from Hilliary is that she'll take no option off the table. And all you hear about Obama is this surprise that he's a black guy who speaks eloquently. Well, I'd like a little more than that from my president. At least John Edwards has staked out a position on a national health care system. My guess is that even though Hilliary was in favor of such a system in the early 1990s she'd have to consult with her pharmaceutical lobbiests to see whether there was any "political support" for such a system. Regardless of what the vast majority of public opinion is in favor of.


You don't have to rely on the media to find out what they stand for. You can do your own research! I like Edwards best of all the candidates, but I'm on the Obama campaign wagon.
Scott & Lai
QUOTE(CherryXS @ Apr 4 2007, 10:52 AM) *
The US still isn't ready for non-fictional presidents (there have been fictional examples of each: Jeffrey Archer's "Florentyna Kane" and Tom Clancy's "Robbie Jackson") of any persuasion other than "white male"

I don't know about the U.S. as a whole, but speaking for myself (and those known to me), I'd have no problem whatsoever voting for a conservative/limited government/originalist candidate who happened to be either non-"white", female, or both. So far, though, the only candidates currently running whom I would consider voting for happen to be "white" males. I refuse to vote for a Liberal just so I can vote for someone other than a "white" male.
Alex+R
QUOTE(Scott & Lai @ Apr 4 2007, 08:22 PM) *
QUOTE(CherryXS @ Apr 4 2007, 10:52 AM) *
The US still isn't ready for non-fictional presidents (there have been fictional examples of each: Jeffrey Archer's "Florentyna Kane" and Tom Clancy's "Robbie Jackson") of any persuasion other than "white male"

I don't know about the U.S. as a whole, but speaking for myself (and those known to me), I'd have no problem whatsoever voting for a conservative/limited government/originalist candidate who happened to be either non-"white", female, or both. So far, though, the only candidates currently running whom I would consider voting for happen to be "white" males. I refuse to vote for a Liberal just so I can vote for someone other than a "white" male.


I love the "happened to be x" phrase. It says so much.

There's a reason most of the people who share that perspective are straight white Christian males.
sparkofcreation
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Apr 4 2007, 08:02 PM) *
QUOTE(Scott & Lai @ Apr 4 2007, 08:22 PM) *
QUOTE(CherryXS @ Apr 4 2007, 10:52 AM) *
The US still isn't ready for non-fictional presidents (there have been fictional examples of each: Jeffrey Archer's "Florentyna Kane" and Tom Clancy's "Robbie Jackson") of any persuasion other than "white male"

I don't know about the U.S. as a whole, but speaking for myself (and those known to me), I'd have no problem whatsoever voting for a conservative/limited government/originalist candidate who happened to be either non-"white", female, or both. So far, though, the only candidates currently running whom I would consider voting for happen to be "white" males. I refuse to vote for a Liberal just so I can vote for someone other than a "white" male.


I love the "happened to be x" phrase. It says so much.

There's a reason most of the people who share that perspective are straight white Christian males.


I don't see how. I'm neither Christian nor male, but I'll vote for a candidate I believe in whatever his/her race or skin color "happen to be." If it comes down to Barack Obama versus Sam Brownback, I'm voting for Obama. And if it were to come down to John Edwards versus Condoleezza Rice, I'm voting for Edwards. Are you saying that makes me sexist, racist and religionist, because I won't abandon my political beliefs to vote for a minority? Or does your reasoning only apply to conservatives who won't abandon theirs?
mawilson
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Apr 4 2007, 04:25 PM) *
I like Obama.

I like Obama too. Hell, he even writes poetry.

I just don't think he would make a good President. He's too young and naïve.
consolemaster
mawilson,

What do you expect from a Harvard Law Graduate? happy.gif
doc_cute
Obama

if neither wins then my husband will do lol laughing.gif kidding he is no where near the elections heart.gif
CherryXS
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Apr 4 2007, 07:13 PM) *
Obama. I couldn't handle Clinton for 4 much less 8!!!

I presume you mean "ANOTHER 4"--as that termagant was already in the White House for 8 years.
doc_cute
i thought i will vote twice but it wasnt possible wacko.gif
so no cheating wink.gif
consolemaster
Looks like this race will be close.
Alex+R
QUOTE(sparkofcreation @ Apr 4 2007, 10:19 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Apr 4 2007, 08:02 PM) *
QUOTE(Scott & Lai @ Apr 4 2007, 08:22 PM) *
QUOTE(CherryXS @ Apr 4 2007, 10:52 AM) *
The US still isn't ready for non-fictional presidents (there have been fictional examples of each: Jeffrey Archer's "Florentyna Kane" and Tom Clancy's "Robbie Jackson") of any persuasion other than "white male"

I don't know about the U.S. as a whole, but speaking for myself (and those known to me), I'd have no problem whatsoever voting for a conservative/limited government/originalist candidate who happened to be either non-"white", female, or both. So far, though, the only candidates currently running whom I would consider voting for happen to be "white" males. I refuse to vote for a Liberal just so I can vote for someone other than a "white" male.


I love the "happened to be x" phrase. It says so much.

There's a reason most of the people who share that perspective are straight white Christian males.


I don't see how. I'm neither Christian nor male, but I'll vote for a candidate I believe in whatever his/her race or skin color "happen to be." If it comes down to Barack Obama versus Sam Brownback, I'm voting for Obama. And if it were to come down to John Edwards versus Condoleezza Rice, I'm voting for Edwards. Are you saying that makes me sexist, racist and religionist, because I won't abandon my political beliefs to vote for a minority? Or does your reasoning only apply to conservatives who won't abandon theirs?


Hehehe, this is not the first time you have misunderstood my post and then gotten really angry. I'm saying "happened to be" is a funny term. It always indicates something about the speaker. It's in the family of "some of my best friends are black"
mawilson
I am a white male, and I will probably vote for a white male, because a white male is
more likely to represent my interests better than anybody else.
doodlebug
I don't know why but whenever Clinton speaks I feel like I did something wrong...like my mom is lecturing me or something or like she's a principal laying down the law. Gives me the chills actually.
Scott & Lai
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Apr 4 2007, 07:02 PM) *
QUOTE(Scott & Lai @ Apr 4 2007, 08:22 PM) *
QUOTE(CherryXS @ Apr 4 2007, 10:52 AM) *
The US still isn't ready for non-fictional presidents (there have been fictional examples of each: Jeffrey Archer's "Florentyna Kane" and Tom Clancy's "Robbie Jackson") of any persuasion other than "white male"

I don't know about the U.S. as a whole, but speaking for myself (and those known to me), I'd have no problem whatsoever voting for a conservative/limited government/originalist candidate who happened to be either non-"white", female, or both. So far, though, the only candidates currently running whom I would consider voting for happen to be "white" males. I refuse to vote for a Liberal just so I can vote for someone other than a "white" male.


I love the "happened to be x" phrase. It says so much.

There's a reason most of the people who share that perspective are straight white Christian males.

So, tell me, just what is it that you think my use of that phrase says, hmmmm???

My point, whether you choose to accept it or not, is that I couldn't possibly care less what skin color a candidate has, nor which set of genitalia they have. My sole concern is whether their political views are in line with my own.
mawilson
QUOTE(Scott & Lai @ Apr 6 2007, 02:36 AM) *
My point, whether you choose to accept it or not, is that I couldn't possibly care less what skin color a candidate has, nor which set of genitalia they have. My sole concern is whether their political views are in line with my own.

Do you think that a Hispanic president would prioritise the interests of Hispanic Americans,
and an African American president - the interests of African Americans?

If the answer is 'yes', we should definitely care, otherwise - no.
consolemaster
Too bad a naturalized citizen cannot run for President. He/She, however, may run for Vice President.
ELW
I prefer Obama but think Clinton will more likely get the nomination.
Happy Bunny
I would choose neither wink.gif but for the sake of the poll, I'll choose Hill cos she's a fake democrat devil.gif
Addie_Goodvibes
Any Candidate that has the balls to adress Illegal Immigration enforcement will have my vote.
Unfortunatly all these Govt. ninny's are too afraid to speak up for fear they might offend those here illegally.

mawilson
QUOTE(Addie_Goodvibes @ Apr 9 2007, 02:50 PM) *
Unfortunatly all these Govt. ninny's are too afraid to speak up for fear they might offend those here illegally.

Or offend their third cousin twice removed. In other words, the entire Hispanic/Latino population.
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