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AUBGER
Ok guys. Here is the situation. I'm going through VCS and I have my case pending since Feb. 13th. It was last touched on Feb. 22nd. I don't know if I will be asked for an RFE or not but I applied for the case to be processed at the Bulgarian Consulate in Sofia. I'm an International Student here and a graduating senior, therefore I have an expiration date of my visa as being May 30th 2007. Now I really don't know what to do. If it's going to take forever to get an NOA2, should I change to the Romanian Consulate (it's the closest one to Moldova). Or maybe I should just wait and still hope for Bulgaria. Or should I wait 'till it gets to Bulgaria and have them transfer the information to Romania? and if i do, how do I provide the new consulate with a new adress and phone number and all that?
I want to cry. Seriously sad.gif
Glen Charles
Where in SE asia is Bulgaria?

I would ask this question is some other region of the forum.
AUBGER
QUOTE(Glen Charles @ Mar 20 2007, 11:32 AM) *
Where in SE asia is Bulgaria?

I would ask this question is some other region of the forum.

It's in Eastern Europe..I dont understand how these forums work. I give my posts a name and they are weirdly associated with different totally irrelevant forums. Might sound a little retarded but I serioudly dont know how forums work. I was never a member of anything before and this is the first time i'm using them.
AUBGER
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 11:39 AM) *
QUOTE(Glen Charles @ Mar 20 2007, 11:32 AM) *
Where in SE asia is Bulgaria?

I would ask this question is some other region of the forum.

It's in Eastern Europe..I dont understand how these forums work. I give my posts a name and they are weirdly associated with different totally irrelevant forums. Might sound a little retarded but I serioudly dont know how forums work. I was never a member of anything before and this is the first time i'm using them.

I think i figured it out....feel so stupid smile.gif lol...people i promise i wont post anything in wrong places anymore!!!!!
Forgive me all smile.gif
chuckandkim
Hi kinzazza,

it's all good, smile.gif don't feel stupid we all did a good share of "stupidity" on this forum. I know I did... here is what you should do, post all your K-1 related issues in K-1 Forum, then Consulate forum after you get your NOA2. Some of the forum is very specific to the people in each region, like some of them here are from southeast asia and AU. I'm a little bit confused, are you the poster is a beneficiary? Your husband/wife is USC?

If you're here already, why would you want to file for K-1? Why don't you go for the AOS after marriage? Sorry for the confusion if there is any...

Thanks
AUBGER
QUOTE(chuckandkim @ Mar 20 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Hi kinzazza,

it's all good, smile.gif don't feel stupid we all did a good share of "stupidity" on this forum. I know I did... here is what you should do, post all your K-1 related issues in K-1 Forum, then Consulate forum after you get your NOA2. Some of the forum is very specific to the people in each region, like some of them here are from southeast asia and AU. I'm a little bit confused, are you the poster is a beneficiary? Your husband/wife is USC?

If you're here already, why would you want to file for K-1? Why don't you go for the AOS after marriage? Sorry for the confusion if there is any...

Thanks


smile.gif We filed for K-1 because I'm finishing up college in Bulgaria. Being a Moldovan citizen I have a Bulgarian visa that's expiring on May 30th. My hubby is a USC yes. He's a Maine resident so we filed at VCS...So no, I'm not in the US right now though i've been there for 4 times so far...The problem i'm having is the uncertainty of leaving the processing of the documents to Bulgarian or Romanian Consulate since I've no clue when i'm gonna receive my NOA2 sad.gif so there :'(
chuckandkim
Must post this in K-1 forum smile.gif I'm not sure where they will forward your I-129F package to, Bulgaria or Romania, but I thought they usually will forward it to your country of origin. Either way, good luck, the NOA2 will be sent to your USC in Maine.

AUBGER
QUOTE(chuckandkim @ Mar 20 2007, 01:56 PM) *
Must post this in K-1 forum smile.gif I'm not sure where they will forward your I-129F package to, Bulgaria or Romania, but I thought they usually will forward it to your country of origin. Either way, good luck, the NOA2 will be sent to your USC in Maine.

Thank you smile.gif
Well the reason I filed for Bulgaria was me studying here, therefore physically being here for 2 more months. Romania is the consulate where moldovans are getting their visas processed since the consulate from Moldova does not issue K-1 visas smile.gif we're a weird country :-P
Niels Bohr
GOOD LUCK!!!
Vietnam
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 04:15 AM) *
I think i figured it out....feel so stupid smile.gif lol...people i promise i wont post anything in wrong places anymore!!!!!
Forgive me all smile.gif

It must be because you're freaking out.
AUBGER
QUOTE(Vietnam @ Mar 20 2007, 05:11 PM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 04:15 AM) *
I think i figured it out....feel so stupid smile.gif lol...people i promise i wont post anything in wrong places anymore!!!!!
Forgive me all smile.gif

It must be because you're freaking out.

lol that must be it :-P
CountryBoy
good.gif Good Luck good.gif
Thai Pham
you are hot
AUBGER
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 21 2007, 06:09 AM) *
you are hot

hmm....thanks
JoeMama
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 09:25 PM) *
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 21 2007, 06:09 AM) *
you are hot

hmm....thanks

Hi El, most of us here remember this guy that just gave you the compliment from a past forum. It's at http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;#entry765181. He's the 5th post.
I think that Eastern European beauty has just hit him over the head! headbonk.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 11:32 AM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 09:25 PM) *
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 21 2007, 06:09 AM) *
you are hot

hmm....thanks

Hi El, most of us here remember this guy that just gave you the compliment from a past forum. It's at http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;#entry765181. He's the 5th post.
I think that Eastern European beauty has just hit him over the head! headbonk.gif

Lol smile.gif Thank you for bringing it to my attn. It was kinda disturbing to hear this type of a compliment coming from a guy that is getting married to someone else. I mean there is nothing wrong with admiring but it's weird to hear you're "hot" from someone who should at least pretend he's not looking around smile.gif Plus i'm definately not one that would look for a bigger "d!ck" :-) I'm satisfied with what I have kicking.gif I mean not that i dont appreciate compliments...brr...it's just odd...
JoeMama
You're right and I was thinking the same thing as you! It did seem odd to me also. I can honestly say that you're the first person I've seen on here get "hit" on by someone who is getting married to someone else! laughing.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 12:07 PM) *
You're right and I was thinking the same thing as you! It did seem odd to me also. I can honestly say that you're the first person I've seen on here get "hit" on by someone who is getting married to someone else! laughing.gif

Rofl...should I feel special? :-P
rebeccajo
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 20 2007, 11:09 PM) *
you are hot


you are weird
Nagishkaw
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 20 2007, 10:09 PM) *
you are hot


Whoa! that's a bit overstepping it there fella. Does your fiance know you posted this comment ? You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
JoeMama
His comment will probably be blamed on his "friend" using his laptop...again! rolleyes.gif
Dan + Gemvita
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 05:47 AM) *
His comment will probably be blamed on his "friend" using his laptop...again! rolleyes.gif

laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 12:47 PM) *
His comment will probably be blamed on his "friend" using his laptop...again! rolleyes.gif

U know...this friend excuse btw...smile.gif What are the chances that his "friend" randomly entering this forum knew that words like "d!ick" will not be displayed if spelled right ????smile.gif Is that all the forums principle? smile.gif)))) or does he just like randomly using exclamation marks? smile.gif
JoeMama
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 21 2007, 04:00 AM) *
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 12:47 PM) *
His comment will probably be blamed on his "friend" using his laptop...again! rolleyes.gif

U know...this friend excuse btw...smile.gif What are the chances that his "friend" randomly entering this forum knew that words like "d!ick" will not be displayed if spelled right ????smile.gif Is that all the forums principle? smile.gif)))) or does he just like randomly using exclamation marks? smile.gif

Us!ng a random exclamat!on po!nt !s a grow!ng ep!dem!c on forums! !t somet!mes cannot be controlled! ! th!nk ! m!ght have been !nfected w!th !t now! ohmy.gif
Nagishkaw
!t has h!t me , too, !'m afra!d . helpsmilie.gif
maya62
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 07:43 AM) *
QUOTE(chuckandkim @ Mar 20 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Hi kinzazza,

it's all good, smile.gif don't feel stupid we all did a good share of "stupidity" on this forum. I know I did... here is what you should do, post all your K-1 related issues in K-1 Forum, then Consulate forum after you get your NOA2. Some of the forum is very specific to the people in each region, like some of them here are from southeast asia and AU. I'm a little bit confused, are you the poster is a beneficiary? Your husband/wife is USC?

If you're here already, why would you want to file for K-1? Why don't you go for the AOS after marriage? Sorry for the confusion if there is any...

Thanks


smile.gif We filed for K-1 because I'm finishing up college in Bulgaria. Being a Moldovan citizen I have a Bulgarian visa that's expiring on May 30th. My hubby is a USC yes. He's a Maine resident so we filed at VCS...So no, I'm not in the US right now though i've been there for 4 times so far...The problem i'm having is the uncertainty of leaving the processing of the documents to Bulgarian or Romanian Consulate since I've no clue when i'm gonna receive my NOA2 sad.gif so there :'(



Uh, not to interupt here or anything, but if the OP is already married, why are we talking about a K-1 visa???? blink.gif

OP, if you are married already, the K-1 is not the correct visa! Hopefully, you are just using "hubby" as a term of affection (a habit I suggest you get out of before speaking with ANY official involved in this process).

Sorry to be harsh and/or the bearer of bad news.

Best wishes,


Maya


JoeMama
She's engaged. It was obviously a misunderstanding. I see where the word "hubby" came into play.innocent.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(maya62 @ Mar 21 2007, 02:22 PM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 07:43 AM) *
QUOTE(chuckandkim @ Mar 20 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Hi kinzazza,

it's all good, smile.gif don't feel stupid we all did a good share of "stupidity" on this forum. I know I did... here is what you should do, post all your K-1 related issues in K-1 Forum, then Consulate forum after you get your NOA2. Some of the forum is very specific to the people in each region, like some of them here are from southeast asia and AU. I'm a little bit confused, are you the poster is a beneficiary? Your husband/wife is USC?

If you're here already, why would you want to file for K-1? Why don't you go for the AOS after marriage? Sorry for the confusion if there is any...

Thanks


smile.gif We filed for K-1 because I'm finishing up college in Bulgaria. Being a Moldovan citizen I have a Bulgarian visa that's expiring on May 30th. My hubby is a USC yes. He's a Maine resident so we filed at VCS...So no, I'm not in the US right now though i've been there for 4 times so far...The problem i'm having is the uncertainty of leaving the processing of the documents to Bulgarian or Romanian Consulate since I've no clue when i'm gonna receive my NOA2 sad.gif so there :'(



Uh, not to interupt here or anything, but if the OP is already married, why are we talking about a K-1 visa???? blink.gif

OP, if you are married already, the K-1 is not the correct visa! Hopefully, you are just using "hubby" as a term of affection (a habit I suggest you get out of before speaking with ANY official involved in this process).

Sorry to be harsh and/or the bearer of bad news.

Best wishes,


Maya

Yes smile.gif Joe is right smile.gif It's just how I call him out of affection because I'm excited we're gonna get married (that is, if i ever get the visa) And nah smile.gif it's not too used of a term smile.gif I dont want him to get used to the idea yet...hehehe....i need to keep him on his toes smile.gif


QUOTE(maya62 @ Mar 21 2007, 02:22 PM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 20 2007, 07:43 AM) *
QUOTE(chuckandkim @ Mar 20 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Hi kinzazza,

it's all good, smile.gif don't feel stupid we all did a good share of "stupidity" on this forum. I know I did... here is what you should do, post all your K-1 related issues in K-1 Forum, then Consulate forum after you get your NOA2. Some of the forum is very specific to the people in each region, like some of them here are from southeast asia and AU. I'm a little bit confused, are you the poster is a beneficiary? Your husband/wife is USC?

If you're here already, why would you want to file for K-1? Why don't you go for the AOS after marriage? Sorry for the confusion if there is any...

Thanks


smile.gif We filed for K-1 because I'm finishing up college in Bulgaria. Being a Moldovan citizen I have a Bulgarian visa that's expiring on May 30th. My hubby is a USC yes. He's a Maine resident so we filed at VCS...So no, I'm not in the US right now though i've been there for 4 times so far...The problem i'm having is the uncertainty of leaving the processing of the documents to Bulgarian or Romanian Consulate since I've no clue when i'm gonna receive my NOA2 sad.gif so there :'(



Uh, not to interupt here or anything, but if the OP is already married, why are we talking about a K-1 visa???? blink.gif

OP, if you are married already, the K-1 is not the correct visa! Hopefully, you are just using "hubby" as a term of affection (a habit I suggest you get out of before speaking with ANY official involved in this process).

Sorry to be harsh and/or the bearer of bad news.

Best wishes,


Maya

And thank you very much for ur concern...I like it when people are being honest smile.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 01:03 PM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 21 2007, 04:00 AM) *
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 21 2007, 12:47 PM) *
His comment will probably be blamed on his "friend" using his laptop...again! rolleyes.gif

U know...this friend excuse btw...smile.gif What are the chances that his "friend" randomly entering this forum knew that words like "d!ick" will not be displayed if spelled right ????smile.gif Is that all the forums principle? smile.gif)))) or does he just like randomly using exclamation marks? smile.gif

Us!ng a random exclamat!on po!nt !s a grow!ng ep!dem!c on forums! !t somet!mes cannot be controlled! ! th!nk ! m!ght have been !nfected w!th !t now! ohmy.gif

!t's a fun ep!demic smile.gif let's spread !t smile.gif)))
Thai Pham
Sorry guys and gals, I am living with my room mates and they use my computer all the time. I did not post the comments about . I only came here to ask questions and learn new things. never gave out stupid comments like those you have read .


To the thread starter:

honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .
heishe
!
blspicer
um....he is the man yes.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 22 2007, 07:03 PM) *
Sorry guys and gals, I am living with my room mates and they use my computer all the time. I did not post the comments about . I only came here to ask questions and learn new things. never gave out stupid comments like those you have read .


To the thread starter:

honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

Thank you wink.gif That sounds a bit better than previously smile.gif
JoeMama
you are hot laughing.gif
I could not resist on having a little fun with ya El! I know I am a lucky mofo also;)
Thai Pham
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 22 2007, 01:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 22 2007, 07:03 PM) *
Sorry guys and gals, I am living with my room mates and they use my computer all the time. I did not post the comments about . I only came here to ask questions and learn new things. never gave out stupid comments like those you have read .


To the thread starter:

honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

Thank you wink.gif That sounds a bit better than previously smile.gif

you have to say" sound a bit better than your room mates" because I did not post the "you are hot" or "she must have found a bigger d!ck" comments .

I am a well educated man and I would never in my life perform such rudeness acts .
msu17
If they are so bad then why not log out after you finish browsing on the site??? Your sn, your responsibility. This seems to not be an isolated incident

QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 22 2007, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 22 2007, 01:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 22 2007, 07:03 PM) *
Sorry guys and gals, I am living with my room mates and they use my computer all the time. I did not post the comments about . I only came here to ask questions and learn new things. never gave out stupid comments like those you have read .


To the thread starter:

honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

Thank you wink.gif That sounds a bit better than previously smile.gif

you have to say" sound a bit better than your room mates" because I did not post the "you are hot" or "she must have found a bigger d!ck" comments .

I am a well educated man and I would never in my life perform such rudeness acts .
JoeMama
I was thinking the same thing about logging out when you're not using the site also. rolleyes.gif
It would save the embarrassment headbonk.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 22 2007, 09:32 PM) *
you are hot laughing.gif
I could not resist on having a little fun with ya El! I know I am a lucky mofo also;)

Plenty of lucky mofos around smile.gif)))))))

QUOTE(msu17 @ Mar 22 2007, 10:35 PM) *
If they are so bad then why not log out after you finish browsing on the site??? Your sn, your responsibility. This seems to not be an isolated incident

QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 22 2007, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE(kinzaza @ Mar 22 2007, 01:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Thai Pham @ Mar 22 2007, 07:03 PM) *
Sorry guys and gals, I am living with my room mates and they use my computer all the time. I did not post the comments about . I only came here to ask questions and learn new things. never gave out stupid comments like those you have read .


To the thread starter:

honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

Thank you wink.gif That sounds a bit better than previously smile.gif

you have to say" sound a bit better than your room mates" because I did not post the "you are hot" or "she must have found a bigger d!ck" comments .

I am a well educated man and I would never in my life perform such rudeness acts .



Maybe he still believes in the goodness in ppl?
JoeMama
QUOTE
honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

QUOTE
I am a well educated man and I would never in my life perform such rudeness acts .

Whomever it was that was on your computer and told kinzaza, "you are hot". BEHAVE YOURSELF!
It is sad trying to "hit" on someone in a "fiance(e) forum" which obviously means they are engaged to be married.
I could not help but notice this. I cannot recall any university or college worldwide offering courses in "U.S. urban slang language". Which is commonly known to most of us as "Ebonics". Is Harvard offering a course in Ebonics I do not know about? I never lived in the ghetto. Or should I say "The Hood" as it's referred. cool.gif
AUBGER
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 23 2007, 02:07 PM) *
QUOTE
honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

QUOTE
I am a well educated man and I would never in my life perform such rudeness acts .

Whomever it was that was on your computer and told kinzaza, "you are hot". BEHAVE YOURSELF!
It is sad trying to "hit" on someone in a "fiance(e) forum" which obviously means they are engaged to be married.
I could not help but notice this. I cannot recall any university or college worldwide offering courses in "U.S. urban slang language". Which is commonly known to most of us as "Ebonics". Is Harvard offering a course in Ebonics I do not know about? I never lived in the ghetto. Or should I say "The Hood" as it's referred. cool.gif

I love ur little faces....they are hilarious smile.gif
Speaking of Ebonics...I was actually trying to learn that when I was an exchange student in the state of Georgia smile.gif I was in high school at the time and totally fascinated by the fact that a language can be THAT altered...lol....so i really tried...but the prononciation and just the words did not stick to me at all smile.gif)))))) I guess i'm undereducated smile.gif
JoeMama
QUOTE
I love ur little faces....they are hilarious smile.gif
Speaking of Ebonics...I was actually trying to learn that when I was an exchange student in the state of Georgia smile.gif I was in high school at the time and totally fascinated by the fact that a language can be THAT altered...lol....so i really tried...but the prononciation and just the words did not stick to me at all smile.gif)))))) I guess i'm undereducated smile.gif

You have got to be kidding?!! Ebonics was actually taught in a school? Be glad that so-called "language" didn't stick with you! Obviously, you're educated enough to know "Ebonics" is just a poor excuse to not speak English properly and the pronouciation to combine 1,2, or 3 English words together. There were people here who actually tried to persuade the US government to provide money to have this taught in the schools. Fortunately, it did not succeed! Thank God! kicking.gif
GrenadianCrix
QUOTE(altimixdj @ Mar 23 2007, 07:07 AM) *
QUOTE
honestly, you look very beautiful. your man is a lucky mofo .

QUOTE
I am a well educated man and I would never in my life perform such rudeness acts .

Whomever it was that was on your computer and told kinzaza, "you are hot". BEHAVE YOURSELF!
It is sad trying to "hit" on someone in a "fiance(e) forum" which obviously means they are engaged to be married.
I could not help but notice this. I cannot recall any university or college worldwide offering courses in "U.S. urban slang language". Which is commonly known to most of us as "Ebonics". Is Harvard offering a course in Ebonics I do not know about? I never lived in the ghetto. Or should I say "The Hood" as it's referred. cool.gif



"Ebonics is a term coined, originally intended and sometimes used for the language of all people of African ancestry, or for that of Black north American and west African people, emphasizing the African roots of the former; since 1996 it has been largely used to refer to African American Vernacular English (distinctively nonstandard Black US English), emphasizing the independence of the latter from (standard) English." Wikipedia

Sorry to get all politically correct here, but since we could say this board is the epitome of multi-culturalism maybe we could be a little more sensitive.
Ebonics is not 'ghetto slang' it is a non-standard vernacular that has rules and structure just as standard english does. Those who have learned 'ebonics' or 'creole' as their primary language are not uneducated by virtue of the language they use. In fact there are entire countries where the creole is the national language. I would bet that by the time a Prime Minister (who grew up speaking a non-standard vernacular ie ebonics) was elected, he was pretty well educted and never lived in the ghetto. You don't have to be ghetto to speak the language of your family.

'Mofo' is up for debate as to whether that may just be 'ghetto slang' but please don't mix up peoples primary language with potty mouth.

Thanks
Sue
JoeMama
Thanks for the insight Sue. I learned something new today. I was not speaking about another country's native language. When I spoke of Ebonics, I was speaking about the poor annunciation of English words that are commonly heard in hip-hop songs. Black actors, such as, James Earl Jones were against the promotion of the laziness that the "Ebonics" presented here to be taught in US schools. He felt the same that it promoted laziness in learning our native language of English. wink.gif
GrenadianCrix

QUOTE
You have got to be kidding?!! Ebonics was actually taught in a school? Be glad that so-called "language" didn't stick with you! Obviously, you're educated enough to know "Ebonics" is just a poor excuse to not speak English properly and the pronouciation to combine 1,2, or 3 English words together. There were people here who actually tried to persuade the US government to provide money to have this taught in the schools. Fortunately, it did not succeed! Thank God! kicking.gif



Clarification, people were not trying to teach children to speak ebonics in schools, they were seeking funding for programs that allowed students to learn content areas such as science or math while speaking in their local dialect without the added frustration of essentially learning standard english as a second language. The theory was that those students were lagging behind because all their instruction first had to be translated and that teachers spent too much time correcting their grammar and not the equations they should have been working on. Ebonics in public schools would have allowed local teachers to speak in a local dialect while teaching certain subjects and then to use Standard English during English class. This way children would not miss out on content but would also learn the standard english needed to succeed in the public world.
I see it a bit different than most because I did study about Ebonics in college. That was called linguistics class.
Sue
AUBGER
QUOTE(GrenadianCrix @ Mar 23 2007, 04:55 PM) *
QUOTE
You have got to be kidding?!! Ebonics was actually taught in a school? Be glad that so-called "language" didn't stick with you! Obviously, you're educated enough to know "Ebonics" is just a poor excuse to not speak English properly and the pronouciation to combine 1,2, or 3 English words together. There were people here who actually tried to persuade the US government to provide money to have this taught in the schools. Fortunately, it did not succeed! Thank God! kicking.gif



Clarification, people were not trying to teach children to speak ebonics in schools, they were seeking funding for programs that allowed students to learn content areas such as science or math while speaking in their local dialect without the added frustration of essentially learning standard english as a second language. The theory was that those students were lagging behind because all their instruction first had to be translated and that teachers spent too much time correcting their grammar and not the equations they should have been working on. Ebonics in public schools would have allowed local teachers to speak in a local dialect while teaching certain subjects and then to use Standard English during English class. This way children would not miss out on content but would also learn the standard english needed to succeed in the public world.
I see it a bit different than most because I did study about Ebonics in college. That was called linguistics class.
Sue

Cool!!! Nah we didnt have a class for that in high school. Since I was in Georgia, however, I lived in a black family (i already mentioned that somewhere) and I studied and was friends woth a bunch of black people. I loved to listen to it but I was not understanding anything smile.gif))) My host parents had such a kick out of it...I mean they spoke regular English but when i was coming to school trying to speak Ebonics they found it sort of...well....hilarious seeing a moldovan white girl (while in the process of learning basic english to begin with) pronouncing words with a black accent smile.gif
I kinda know what it means though. While under the soviet union, Romanian language we spoke on the Moldovan territory got so mixed with russian ( mandatory back then) that right now we speak a very weird russified romanian. It's not thought in schools...but there is no way we can get rid of it smile.gif
GrenadianCrix


QUOTE
Cool!!! Nah we didnt have a class for that in high school. Since I was in Georgia, however, I lived in a black family (i already mentioned that somewhere) and I studied and was friends woth a bunch of black people. I loved to listen to it but I was not understanding anything smile.gif))) My host parents had such a kick out of it...I mean they spoke regular English but when i was coming to school trying to speak Ebonics they found it sort of...well....hilarious seeing a moldovan white girl (while in the process of learning basic english to begin with) pronouncing words with a black accent smile.gif
I kinda know what it means though. While under the soviet union, Romanian language we spoke on the Moldovan territory got so mixed with russian ( mandatory back then) that right now we speak a very weird russified romanian. It's not thought in schools...but there is no way we can get rid of it smile.gif


I know how you must have felt to some degree. I've been in Grenada for a year and a half. Everyone here speaks English so I didn't have to learn a new language, however when I was living with a host family myself, I would wake up in the morning and hear people walking by the house on the way to work in the bush. I would have to remind myself that it was in fact english even though I couldn't understand one single word of it. Here english is the official language, in the home the dialect is thick and full of the french/british history. But standard english is also taught in schools as it is recognized as important to communicate with the world at large. It is sad, many of the Caribbean island that used to have a rich patios or creole language, (pidgin english/french) have lost it due to British colonization tring to eliminate anything that isn't english. Only the very old can speak the patios here. But in Dominica and St. Lucia there is a huge national revival to mantain the creole for future generations, most everyone is bi-lingual.
My fiance laughs at me sometimes because I have picked up on a lot of the 'Grenadian' language I hear all the time. I get told that I don't sound very much like an American. I can only imagine someone from Moldova coming here and adding that accent to the mix! hahaha
If you are interested, there are books on the Ebonics debate. I'm sure you could probably get a hold of a copy through ebay or amazon or anywhere you can get used books. Sadly you will not encounter much black american dialect in Maine, it's a pretty boring state. Portland has a large and growing immigrant population, many from Africa and Asia but outside of the city, it s pretty much caucasion with only a few minor exceptions.
But you'll love it there, I know I do!
Sue
JoeMama
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Ebonics in public schools would have allowed local teachers to speak in a local dialect while teaching certain subjects and then to use Standard English during English class.

I remember when this big promotion of Ebonics was occuring, "local dialect" was not mentioned. That is one thing. But where were the majority of children born attending US public schools? More likely the U.S., correct? That push for government funding, we as a nation witnessed, was for it to be taught in public schools coast-to-coast. I remember the rallies going on in Oakland and Los Angeles. I cannot be convinced there were that many parents of the children attending school at that time had immigrated here speaking an Ebonics dialect.
I go to Ukraine where my fiancee lives. Just like Elena being from Moldova, they were forced to speak Russian under communist rule. Me being an American, I knew I was going to another country. I certainly did not want them catering to me and telling them to only speak English. Out of respect, I learned the language and get around fine without the assistance of an interpreter. I have respect for ANY country and their local language. Please do not think I am insulting another dialect or languages spoken in other countries. Because I am not. I want to make it perfectly clear that I am only referring to "laziness" in actually learning to speak properly and/or the "refusal" of not wanting to learn the official language where one chooses to live.
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This way children would not miss out on content but would also learn the standard english needed to succeed in the public world.

On this one, I don't see how substituting one language to take the place of the official language was going to help them learn any faster or properly. It must be obvious that standards of this society are constatly lowered to cater to those who really do not make the effort to actually learn. I doesn't matter where they are from. The requirements for becoming a U.S. citizen long ago, used to require knowing at least some quotes from The Constitution, The Preamble, Gettsburg Address, etc., before being becoming naturalized. I would really hate to see the beginning words of The Constitution being changed over time to, "Weez Da Peepo O Da Unight Stades...". Don't think that example is pointed toward any one race. I live in California and this is how I hear a lot young children, teenagers, and adults of EVERY skin color speak this way. I know they are not being taught this in school...it is coming from another sub-culture of music.
GabachaYucateca
GrenadaCrix: I LOVE Portland! When I went to college in Maine (Bah Habah) I remember hearing that the state was around 97% Caucasian, but that the three % non-white population lived in Portland. Regardless, I loved it there, and would consider moving to Portland!

Working and living in a highly diverse urban area, I've gotten used to hearing non-standard English from native speakers, and also most people I speak with have highly accented English since there's a large immigrant population. The English I speak is dubbed "paycheck English."
GrenadianCrix
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GrenadaCrix: I LOVE Portland! When I went to college in Maine (Bah Habah) I remember hearing that the state was around 97% Caucasian, but that the three % non-white population lived in Portland. Regardless, I loved it there, and would consider moving to Portland!

Working and living in a highly diverse urban area, I've gotten used to hearing non-standard English from native speakers, and also most people I speak with have highly accented English since there's a large immigrant population. The English I speak is dubbed "paycheck English."



Paycheck english? I don't get it...does that mean the english that is only spoken at work? That's kinda funny.
In the village I live in right now, there are a few British people. Sometimes the little kids tell me I 'doh talk English as good as 'dem' It makes me laugh 'cause I think the kids are right.
I've often said that I should get credit for being bi-lingual for being able to speak American English and Grenadian English. But I don't think Grad schools will buy it...lol.
When I get back to Maine you are all invited to come visit.
Sue


altimixdj,
Truce? I think we may have to agree to disagree. I see the primary language issue having nothing to do with laziness however I see you are not trying to insult anyone here. It's certainly something that we should all think about given the always growing number of immigrants to the US. I once read an article in Newsweek that was questioning who's version of English is more 'right'? After all, the countries and populations that speak English have grown significantly throughout the ages of Imperialism. When a language is forced upon a population can we really say how they are allowed to speak it? There may become a day where there are more non-standard speakers than standard speakers. That will be something!
But for now, no hard feelings...just some good old intellectual debate.
Sue
JoeMama
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altimixdj,
Truce? I think we may have to agree to disagree. I see the primary language issue having nothing to do with laziness however I see you are not trying to insult anyone here. It's certainly something that we should all think about given the always growing number of immigrants to the US. I once read an article in Newsweek that was questioning who's version of English is more 'right'? After all, the countries and populations that speak English have grown significantly throughout the ages of Imperialism. When a language is forced upon a population can we really say how they are allowed to speak it? There may become a day where there are more non-standard speakers than standard speakers. That will be something!
But for now, no hard feelings...just some good old intellectual debate.
Sue

No truce needed. I didn't see war being declared. I enjoy small talks like this. I do not have a closed-mind to the rest of the world and I am not oblivious to what is going on around me. Your input was good insight for me to learn about something even further. I can read a book about it. I prefer to listen to people speak out of their real-life experience. It speaks volumes to me. yes.gif Thank you for your time! wink.gif
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