Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Do you think there is more racism today than there ever has been?
VisaJourney.com > General Discussion Area > General Polls

PaulineA
Unfortonatly, I don't think we will ever see a day when racism is stamped out for good. Nobody is born a racist, so I think a lot of it stems from the family environment, how kids are brought up. Obviously, some people will be racist even if they have had an open minded upbringing. Just thought this would make an interesting poll.
mawilson
I wanted to vote "the same as before" but there's no such option.
luvaLimey
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 03:23 PM) *
I wanted to vote "the same as before" but there's no such option.


??

I thought that's what the "Not any more than in the past." option was?
mawilson
QUOTE(luvaLimey @ Mar 13 2007, 05:30 PM) *
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 03:23 PM) *
I wanted to vote "the same as before" but there's no such option.


??

I thought that's what the "Not any more than in the past." option was?

"Less than or equal to".

I wanted two separate options for "less than" and "equal to".

innocent.gif
raymaga
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Upbringing I'm sure has a lot to do with it. But, I also think that stereotyping of certain races doesn't help either.

I wish everybody could just be equal in every way, every day.

Nessa
I think there's always gonna be racists but in the past it used to be worse. People are learning. Hopefully it will decrease even more in the future.
The third question is a hard one. I can't imagine how would it feel. I would confront the person, I believe, if that ever happened to me.
brnidokiegurl
I dont think its any worse or any better actually, its still around, sometimes it just shifts more to one group as the subject. If the adults live each day as open minded, then their children will automaticallly see this and learn, to say just teach the kids now, if they dont see the parents living the same what good would it do to just speak it to them.
mawilson
QUOTE(raymaga @ Mar 13 2007, 05:59 PM) *
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.
Nessa
I believe that you're not born a racist, but you're influenced or whatever it's spelled by people in your life. Starting at home, parents should teach that being racist is an unacceptable behavior (and that doesn't include being racist in front of the kid and then telling the kid not to be racist).
My dad is a big racist, towards black people, poor people, he thinks he's better because he's descendant from germans, but seeing him acting like he does made me the way I am, completely the opposite. I don't agree with his behavior and I'm very proud of being different than him. If he was a friend I would end the friendship. But you can't choose family.
Jenn!
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 06:56 PM) *
QUOTE(raymaga @ Mar 13 2007, 05:59 PM) *
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.



I was just about to say the same thing....
Nessa
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 05:56 PM) *
Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.

I disagree. I think a lot of people are attracted by it.
charlesandnessa
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 05:56 PM) *
QUOTE(raymaga @ Mar 13 2007, 05:59 PM) *
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.

nessa and i talked about this poll last night. i agree with that above.
now no dinner for me tongue.gif
brnidokiegurl
I think you are taught it by your surroundings and people who teach you. At young ages children in day school play together and never know the differences, let them get to a age where they pick up on what parents say and their attitudes can change. My dad also had words to say against some and i can guarantee we had words where i would stand up for the way i felt, luckly i guess i wasnt paying attention when he spoke that day. My kids were taught or should say learned my attitudes on this and had many friends from all walks of life.
mawilson
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 14 2007, 08:41 AM) *
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 05:56 PM) *
QUOTE(raymaga @ Mar 13 2007, 05:59 PM) *
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.

nessa and i talked about this poll last night. i agree with that above.
now no dinner for me tongue.gif

I'm sorry, Charles. At least Jenn is on our side. biggrin.gif
charlesandnessa
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 14 2007, 08:50 AM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 14 2007, 08:41 AM) *
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 05:56 PM) *
QUOTE(raymaga @ Mar 13 2007, 05:59 PM) *
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.

nessa and i talked about this poll last night. i agree with that above.
now no dinner for me tongue.gif

I'm sorry, Charles. At least Jenn is on our side. biggrin.gif

so no dinner for all of us? oh wait, jenn can cook it good.gif
Nessa
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 14 2007, 07:41 AM) *
QUOTE(mawilson @ Mar 13 2007, 05:56 PM) *
QUOTE(raymaga @ Mar 13 2007, 05:59 PM) *
You definitely aren't born being a racist.... so, somewhere along life's journey, it must happen somehow.

Actually, I think that everyone is born a racist, and then society tells you that it's wrong.

People naturally dislike anyone and anything that is different, it's a basic part of human nature.

nessa and i talked about this poll last night. i agree with that above.
now no dinner for me tongue.gif


You're allowed to have different views than me. I think it's a basic part of human nature to fear what's different and what's unknonwn, but not to dislike. And your theory that if all cavemen were brunet with brown eyes and a blonde with blue eyes showed up they'd think they're the devil, well guess what, we have evolved, we know better now. Everybody in the world know there are all types of people, all skin color, eyes color, hair color, etc. it's not like something bizarre or new to anybody. So I don't agree in disliking someone only based on the fact they're different than you, and I definitely don't believe we're born racist, otherwise everybody would be racist til they're grown up and decide ''oh I think I'll change and NOT be a racist anymore'', makes no sense to me.
Jenn!
I think that racism is mostly fear of the unknown. We're born racist because we haven't had any experience to show us that other races are ok.

I was thinking caveman level, too. I don't think humans have evolved to become not racist.

notrepetiteashley
As a psychologist-to-be I would have to respectfully disagree. There is no real, peer reviewed evidence that suggests people are *born* disliking people that are different than them. It's true, people are attracted to like-minded individuals and will often set up groups in which different others are not allowed, but this mostly has to do with ego problems and the need for a personal identity. Like the study in which kids were randomly split into 2 groups, which eventually became violent toward one another, based on the team colour. Those kids had no animosity toward one another until they were split into 2 teams, given a team colour, and were taught all sorts of chants and songs and given other things to create a group identity. In other words, they didn't hate one another until an outside source told them they were different and put them into an environment where they were different. Interesting stuff. Anyway, that was the really short version of that, and it leads most psychologists to believe (along with other evidence) that racism and groupthink is environmentally-created, not inborn.

I believe we are all born with endless opportunities as to what kind of person we will become...and when you grow up with your parents telling you a certain race is bad, you are probably going to believe it. What child wants to believe their parents are wrong (until they are teenagers, of course)? It's very sad and I feel psychologically abusive to teach children hatred for other human beings.
Jenn!
Maybe some of us are operating with a different definition of racism here. To me racism is fear of or thinking that someone is different than you because of the color of their skin, not necessarily having a negative view, or dislike.
notrepetiteashley
The fear of someone different would be a phobia. Racism is not a phobia, but it is certainly part of one. Or not, it could be outright hatred. Doesn't have to be a fear of, but many would argue hatred stems from fear.
notrepetiteashley
In other words,

rac·ism

–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

(from the dictionary, I didn't write that)
Kez/JWolf
My parents brought me up to be open minded and to be honest I never really thought about the diffrent color of peoples skin.... but I did have a friend who was black and we were always together... until her parents told her she should not play with the white people because they dont like blacks.... and there our friendship ended we were 9 years old at that time...

I have heard so many black people here shouting about how baddly they are treated and yet they are the first to admit that in there culture they have brought up there kids to belive that it is ok to screw the system and take what they can from the white man.....

I take people on face value if they are nice to me then I will be nice to them... no mater where they are from or what color their skin...

Kez
Nessa
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Mar 14 2007, 09:23 AM) *
I was thinking caveman level, too. I don't think humans have evolved to become not racist.

I don't think we're ever going to be so evolved there will be no racists in the world, I didn't say that.

I think we're born free of prejudice. My sister has Down Syndrom and I've seem adults and older kids being prejudice towards her, but I've never seen a small kid doing so. For them she's just another kid to play. We're born naive, everybody is the same, we don't see hate as a kid like we do as grown ups.
Alex+R
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Mar 14 2007, 09:33 AM) *
Maybe some of us are operating with a different definition of racism here. To me racism is fear of or thinking that someone is different than you because of the color of their skin, not necessarily having a negative view, or dislike.


Yeah. I think racism is part of human nature because it's actually part of our psychology to make generalizations. It's a survival tactic. If a caveman was hit in the head with a blue rock he might steer clear of blue rocks from then on, and so forth.

If a group is in the minority, we tend to focus on something negative one member might have done, and then generalize that to the entire group, subconsciously. If blacks are reported as criminals in the media a huge amount more than whites, people begin to think of blacks as criminals in general, and that is fear-based, not hate-based.

It comes from a survival instinct, and it's something one has to overcome. You are born with that instinct and then your society teaches you how to apply it and that's what you have to overcome.

Actually I think we are moving into a time when overt open racism is becoming acceptable again (toward Arabs and Hispanics especially, although verbal expressions of anti-Black prejudice remain taboo). Not sure if that is better or worse than before...
Jack and Barbara
I belivbe this is the nurture agrument. People are not born into being racists but growing up in an environment where evreyone tells you directly or indirectly how to act or think will do a lot to forming how you will perceive others in the future. Of course, you can change those perceptions with your own real experiences, but experience over a lifetime is key in how you form your opinions and possibly prejudices. This seems to be true with everything from political bias to favorite MLB team.
SJ
i voted: 1,1,&2


i pretending they're a puppy whining in my backyard.

how much money i make to report a racist? (i don't mind to do it if i can make $) laughing.gif
Len_and_Bren
Fear of the unknown is a very human thing alright, much to do indeed with survival. But racism is a learned -and hence taught- behavior. A child is not born a racist (or misogynistic, or homophobic); but is taught to be one by sharing a certain set of beliefs by those around him/her.
Jack and Barbara
agreed good.gif
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2008 Invision Power Services, Inc.