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Reynaldo
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:02 PM) *
Anyways, I saw some people bragging about money more than once in VJ and I kinda think that is how it is in the land of the free...


Welcome back, Rey! Been wondering where you've been.



Migrating to the US took a lot of my time, I guess....
Virtual wife
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:02 PM) *
Anyways, I saw some people bragging about money more than once in VJ and I kinda think that is how it is in the land of the free...


Welcome back, Rey! Been wondering where you've been.



Migrating to the US took a lot of my time, I guess....


laughing.gif Yea, that sounds like a good excuse.
peezey
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:59 PM) *
You follow me around from thread to thread. The post I made about you was in response to you chastizing me for having a lugh on HOPE's "deportation" thread. As far as I'm concerned, you can do this



QUOTE
BTW, Lisa, I'm straight and married. Stop stalking me.


Which is it? Are you straight? or Not? It's getting hard to tell.
charles!
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 02:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:02 PM) *
Anyways, I saw some people bragging about money more than once in VJ and I kinda think that is how it is in the land of the free...


Welcome back, Rey! Been wondering where you've been.



Migrating to the US took a lot of my time, I guess....

with all the canadian geese in the skies nowadays, i can see why it would take so much time to migrate. laughing.gif

QUOTE(peezey @ Mar 5 2007, 02:08 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:59 PM) *
You follow me around from thread to thread. The post I made about you was in response to you chastizing me for having a lugh on HOPE's "deportation" thread. As far as I'm concerned, you can do this



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BTW, Lisa, I'm straight and married. Stop stalking me.
Which is it? Are you straight? or Not? It's getting hard to tell.

does that mean you are contemplating that offer? laughing.gif
Alex+R
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 01:56 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 01:50 PM) *
Actually I did not start this poll because of you. I can list as many as 5 incidences in the last 24 hrs where people have boasted of their own financial standing. Not everything is about you!


so even if someone does, that's their choice, isn't it? or did you create this thread to castigate them for such?



Of course it's their choice. I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought it was a bit tacky.

Everything is someone's "choice" though, from backstabbing to donating a million dollars to charity. Doesn't mean I can't make the choice to voice my approval or disapproval.
charles!
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 01:56 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 01:50 PM) *
Actually I did not start this poll because of you. I can list as many as 5 incidences in the last 24 hrs where people have boasted of their own financial standing. Not everything is about you!


so even if someone does, that's their choice, isn't it? or did you create this thread to castigate them for such?



Of course it's their choice. I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought it was a bit tacky.

Everything is someone's "choice" though, from backstabbing to donating a million dollars to charity. Doesn't mean I can't make the choice to voice my approval or disapproval.

i think somewhere along the way i popped into an alternate universe. here you are being conservative and wanting people to toe the social line, and i'm being the liberal and saying it don't matter laughing.gif
since you're being conservative now, how about a gun for rey and a kitty for you? biggrin.gif
Virtual wife
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 01:10 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 02:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:02 PM) *
Anyways, I saw some people bragging about money more than once in VJ and I kinda think that is how it is in the land of the free...


Welcome back, Rey! Been wondering where you've been.



Migrating to the US took a lot of my time, I guess....

with all the canadian geese in the skies nowadays, i can see why it would take so much time to migrate. laughing.gif

QUOTE(peezey @ Mar 5 2007, 02:08 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:59 PM) *
You follow me around from thread to thread. The post I made about you was in response to you chastizing me for having a lugh on HOPE's "deportation" thread. As far as I'm concerned, you can do this



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BTW, Lisa, I'm straight and married. Stop stalking me.
Which is it? Are you straight? or Not? It's getting hard to tell.

does that mean you are contemplating that offer? laughing.gif


laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif

Females, constantly trying to get and keep my attention. I know I'm attractive, but . . . that's weird.
Alex+R
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 02:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 01:56 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 01:50 PM) *
Actually I did not start this poll because of you. I can list as many as 5 incidences in the last 24 hrs where people have boasted of their own financial standing. Not everything is about you!


so even if someone does, that's their choice, isn't it? or did you create this thread to castigate them for such?



Of course it's their choice. I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought it was a bit tacky.

Everything is someone's "choice" though, from backstabbing to donating a million dollars to charity. Doesn't mean I can't make the choice to voice my approval or disapproval.

i think somewhere along the way i popped into an alternate universe. here you are being conservative and wanting people to toe the social line, and i'm being the liberal and saying it don't matter laughing.gif
since you're being conservative now, how about a gun for rey and a kitty for you? biggrin.gif


Being liberal doesn't mean approving of uncouth behavior. wink.gif Manners are manners and have little to do with politics.
charles!
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 02:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:14 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 01:56 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 01:50 PM) *
Actually I did not start this poll because of you. I can list as many as 5 incidences in the last 24 hrs where people have boasted of their own financial standing. Not everything is about you!


so even if someone does, that's their choice, isn't it? or did you create this thread to castigate them for such?



Of course it's their choice. I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought it was a bit tacky.

Everything is someone's "choice" though, from backstabbing to donating a million dollars to charity. Doesn't mean I can't make the choice to voice my approval or disapproval.

i think somewhere along the way i popped into an alternate universe. here you are being conservative and wanting people to toe the social line, and i'm being the liberal and saying it don't matter laughing.gif
since you're being conservative now, how about a gun for rey and a kitty for you? biggrin.gif


Being liberal doesn't mean approving of uncouth behavior. wink.gif Manners are manners and have little to do with politics.

so people can't be individuals to a certain extent then.
so what's rey's flavor? 9mm? 45? tongue.gif
Alex+R
Charles, don't be silly. People can be individuals. That said, we live in a society with norms. Some are worth following and others are questionable. You choose which social mores are worth breaking.
brnidokiegurl
Hummmmm lets see its almost 3 here im still broke and there are still 8 of us poor people that responded any of you rich guys want to throw some our way since it seems to be causing everyone so much trouble laughing.gif
RaspberrySwirl
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 03:18 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 01:10 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 02:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:02 PM) *
Anyways, I saw some people bragging about money more than once in VJ and I kinda think that is how it is in the land of the free...


Welcome back, Rey! Been wondering where you've been.



Migrating to the US took a lot of my time, I guess....

with all the canadian geese in the skies nowadays, i can see why it would take so much time to migrate. laughing.gif

QUOTE(peezey @ Mar 5 2007, 02:08 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 02:59 PM) *
You follow me around from thread to thread. The post I made about you was in response to you chastizing me for having a lugh on HOPE's "deportation" thread. As far as I'm concerned, you can do this



QUOTE
BTW, Lisa, I'm straight and married. Stop stalking me.
Which is it? Are you straight? or Not? It's getting hard to tell.

does that mean you are contemplating that offer? laughing.gif


laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif

Females, constantly trying to get and keep my attention. I know I'm attractive, but . . . that's weird.



Yeah it is.


We don't discuss it. I think it's in poor taste.
charles!
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:33 PM) *
Charles, don't be silly. People can be individuals. That said, we live in a society with norms. Some are worth following and others are questionable. You choose which social mores are worth breaking.

perhaps silly to you, but that's advocating censorship on a person's right to free speech by insisting on society norms and such. if someone wants to talk about it, then as far as i care they can feel free.
now i'll go hunt for another social more to break biggrin.gif
Alex+R
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Mar 5 2007, 03:20 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:33 PM) *
Charles, don't be silly. People can be individuals. That said, we live in a society with norms. Some are worth following and others are questionable. You choose which social mores are worth breaking.

perhaps silly to you, but that's advocating censorship on a person's right to free speech by insisting on society norms and such. if someone wants to talk about it, then as far as i care they can feel free.
now i'll go hunt for another social more to break biggrin.gif


Advocating censorship? Ha. Ok, Charles, whatever you say. I'm not sure how the words "choose" and "questionable" have anything to do with censorship. I never said people from hereon out will not be allowed to talk about their money. I just think those people are making the choice to be tacky.

Alex+R
Don't get touchy just because you told us exactly how much you've made this year earlier today. Yes, I think that was quite tacky. And yes, it's tacky even if someone doesn't make a lot.
Virtual wife
I was criticized for saying I'm a trust fund baby, but how is that tackier than saying you're a doctor or a corporate CEO? Other people INFER how high or low that places you on the social and economic scale. Since most of us don't know each other, you have no idea how we live, what we wear, what we drive, or how we treat others who have perceptually less. The problem is with people who make the inferences and, off of that, level their criticism, not with someone who makes a simple, innocuous statement that sets someone else off.
Cassie
my husband and I are "comfortable"



(how's that for a financial euphemism!! wink.gif )
Alex+R
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 03:40 PM) *
I was criticized for saying I'm a trust fund baby, but how is that tackier than saying you're a doctor or a corporate CEO? Other people INFER how high or low that places you on the social and economic scale. Since most of us don't know each other, you have no idea how we live, what we wear, what we drive, or how we treat others who have perceptually less. The problem is with people who make the inferences and, off of that, level their criticism, not with someone who makes a simple, innocuous statement that sets someone else off.


The difference is that saying you are a doctor or CEO tells someone your profession. Saying you are a "trust fund baby" tells someone how you got your money, and in quite a cavalier way. It doesn't say what you spend your day doing. I would not respond to "how do you spend your day?" with "oh, spending my trust fund." How about "volunteering" or "looking for a new job" or "working as x"?
Virtual wife
The topic of the thread that I posted that one wasn't "What do you do all day?". It was about the possible correlation between political affiliation and finances. I answered in that context, not because I go around "bragging" about my perceived status.

Being a doctor is a way to make money. Having a trust fund is a way to make money. Six in one hand, half dozen in the other, but I see both as honorable. Perhaps the stigma you're responding to is that one is perceived to be earned and deserved, while the other is perceived to be unearned and undeserved. BTW, when I say I'm a Ph.D. social scientist, a profession, I'm criticised for that too, although lots of people say what they do too, without blowback. After a while, I have to chalk such disparities up to class envy, even if I find that conclusion distasteful myself.
charles!
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 03:30 PM) *
Don't get touchy just because you told us exactly how much you've made this year earlier today. Yes, I think that was quite tacky. And yes, it's tacky even if someone doesn't make a lot.

ah so that is what this thread is about. you're irked cause i make more than you.
btw, that amount given is incorrect. so no, it's not me telling exactly how much i've made this year already. it does not include my military retirement pay wink.gif
E&K
I think people shouldn't be talking about how much money they make in public, either to boast about it or to whine about it. I'm really not sure what's worse.

I certainly don't like it when either case drives away valuable VJ members though mad.gif
bostonparis
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 05:31 PM) *
The topic of the thread that I posted that one wasn't "What do you do all day?". It was about the possible correlation between political affiliation and finances. I answered in that context, not because I go around "bragging" about my perceived status.

Being a doctor is a way to make money. Having a trust fund is a way to make money. Six in one hand, half dozen in the other, but I see both as honorable. Perhaps the stigma you're responding to is that one is perceived to be earned and deserved, while the other is perceived to be unearned and undeserved. BTW, when I say I'm a Ph.D. social scientist, a profession, I'm criticised for that too, although lots of people say what they do too, without blowback. After a while, I have to chalk such disparities up to class envy, even if I find that conclusion distasteful myself.


The "trust fund babies" I know would never call themselves that. They probably think it's a distasteful term to themselves.
KarenCee
Tis my business and that of my husband but no one else. I was raised that way.
Virtual wife
QUOTE(bostonparis @ Mar 5 2007, 03:50 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 05:31 PM) *
The topic of the thread that I posted that one wasn't "What do you do all day?". It was about the possible correlation between political affiliation and finances. I answered in that context, not because I go around "bragging" about my perceived status.

Being a doctor is a way to make money. Having a trust fund is a way to make money. Six in one hand, half dozen in the other, but I see both as honorable. Perhaps the stigma you're responding to is that one is perceived to be earned and deserved, while the other is perceived to be unearned and undeserved. BTW, when I say I'm a Ph.D. social scientist, a profession, I'm criticised for that too, although lots of people say what they do too, without blowback. After a while, I have to chalk such disparities up to class envy, even if I find that conclusion distasteful myself.


The "trust fund babies" I know would never call themselves that. They probably think it's a distasteful term to themselves.


If you have to think about it, then you don't know. Anyway, context counts.

Some folks have lost their sense of humor.
Virtual wife
Envy, Anxiety, Secrecy, Taboos: The Subject Must Be Money

ALINA TUGEND
New York Times, February 3, 2007

Many consumers are propping up their elaborate lifestyles with hidden debt. It’s something no one likes to talk about.

I’M as guilty as the next person. I’ve sat around with my pals wondering how a neighbor, a colleague, or, yes, a good friend, can possibly afford to put that huge addition on their house. Or take those many overseas vacations. Or pay for the private schools and the fancy summer camps and the second home.

Some people we just write off as trust fund babies or hedge fund zillionaires or lucky dogs who got into the stock market at the right time and cashed out.

But others are more perplexing. They look like us. They seem to come from roughly the same backgrounds as us. But they sure don’t act like us.

I don’t exactly envy them; I’m fairly satisfied with our lives. Oh, occasionally I wish we had that house on Martha’s Vineyard, or didn’t have to choose between remodeling the bathroom or taking a summer trip, but generally I know how fortunate we are.

But I do sometimes burn with curiosity about how they do it. And wish that talking about money was not so fraught in this society so I could just ask them to explain it.

For years, economists, academics and psychologists have written about how money is the last taboo. It has become a virtual cliché to say that people would rather talk about their sex lives or child abuse than their finances.

Elissa Schappell was a co-editor, with Jenny Offill, of an anthology called “Money Changes Everything” (Doubleday, 2007), a compilation by 22 writers, many fairly well known, discussing how money, whether it disappeared over generations or arrived in a sudden windfall, affected their lives. But the contributors had to write under their own names and some could not do it.

“We lost a good one,” Ms. Schappell said. “He had written about his drug addiction, about a nervous breakdown, but he would not write about money.”

That instinct, however, might be beginning to change. The inability to address issues of money — and the envy it causes — is creating more financial and psychological distress than we can imagine, psychologists and social scientists say. We overspend to keep up with neighbors and friends; take jobs we’re not happy at to keep up a lifestyle we think we should have; and compulsively watch television shows that flaunt multimillion-dollar homes and exotic vacations.

Although grappling with issues of money is certainly not solely an American experience, the paradoxical way we treat it is peculiarly our own and stems from our contradictory history, said Dalton Conley, chairman of the sociology department at New York University.

“One string is consumption, social status and competition,” Professor Conley said. “That’s a strong part of the social fabric in America. Another is the Puritan string in American capitalism: to save, to lead an inconspicuous life.”

The saving and the discreet lifestyle, however, Professor Conley noted, have been somewhat lost in recent times. Instead, no home seems to be big enough and increasingly fancy cars idle in front of us on the school run.

Sometimes it seems as if we must be doing something wrong because we can’t possibly afford what they can — even if we don’t want it.

The truth is, however, that we don’t know the truth, said Shira Boss, author of “Green With Envy: Why Keeping Up With the Joneses Is Keeping Us in Debt,” (Warner Books, 2006).

“The accessibility and availability of debt has created a fiction that wasn’t there 20 years ago,” Ms. Boss said. “We don’t have a grip on who can afford what. Your external lifestyle is a lot lower when you’re living within your means — you can see extravagance, but not financial security.”

Ms. Schappell said that editing her book made her realize that “all the ready credit gives of the illusion of living the American dream.”

In the introduction to their book, Ms. Schappell and Ms. Offill note that “economists report that middle-class families are now carrying record levels of credit card debt, going without health insurance and filing for bankruptcy at several times the rate of the early 1980s.”

“Turns out those McMansions and shiny S.U.V.’s have us mortgaged up to our eyeballs, but until the wolf is truly at the door, you won’t find many of us admitting it.”

Ms. Schappell said she now believed, however, that the old-fashioned ideal of working hard, saving and gradually making it is a bankrupt one. Instead, the way people envision growing rich, she said, is through a windfall: “a malpractice lawsuit, the lottery or going on a reality show — it’s the new American dream.”

But envying people is part of human nature, right? It is one of the seven deadly sins, one of the Ten Commandments. We’re always going to want what we don’t have. There are studies and surveys that show people never feel they have enough; for example, in 2005, PNC Advisors — now PNC Wealth Management — asked 792 of its rich private-banking clients what they would need to feel financially secure; virtually all said they needed to double their wealth.

Twenty-nine percent of those with more than $10 million to invest also said having more money generated more problems than it solved.

“For Americans, it’s all about the pursuit,” Ms. Boss said. “It’s a question of degree. Envy is so evil-sounding — there is a release in just saying it. I try to say right away, ‘I’m so envious.’ We shouldn’t beat ourselves up over it.”

Others say the problem is more one of society and less one of individuals. That the drumbeat to consume more all the time is so deafening that few can resist.

“I strongly disagree that it’s human nature,” said Allen D. Kanner, a psychologist and co-editor of “Psychology and Consumer Culture” (American Psychological Association, 2004). “Our nature is being molded pretty powerfully by the media. If we started a trend to extract marketing from our lives, it would go a long way to reducing money anxieties.” Mr. Kanner is also a co-founder of the nonprofit Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood (www.commercialfreechildhood.org).

Tim Kasser, an associate professor of psychology at Knox College in Galesburg, Ill., said the answer was to want less.

There is a small movement, he said, heir to many such groups in the past, called voluntary simplifiers who have chosen to make do with less. This doesn’t mean they live puritanical lives without modern conveniences, but rather they have consciously chosen to make less money and work fewer hours to spend more time with families and friends.

A study in 2005 of 200 “voluntary simplifiers” in 48 states compared with 200 similar people in the same geographical areas who lived regular lives found that the simplifiers were happier according to a variety of criteria, said Professor Kasser, author of “The High Price of Materialism” (MIT Press 2002). (Details about the movement can be found at www.simpleliving.net.)

Even though we do tend to compare ourselves with those who have more, not less, it does help to remember that there is truth in clichés: money does not buy happiness.

“I’d like to have a lot more money,” Ms. Schappell said. “I’d like to use a credit card and not cross my fingers. I don’t want to be a waitress again and I don’t want to deliver balloons again. But money doesn’t make you feel smarter or more attractive.

“You have to look at what money is standing in for in your life. Is it safety? Does it make you socially acceptable? Does it make you important?”

Attitudes about money may also change as the baby boom generation moves toward retirement, Professor Conley said.

“The biggest birth core of the 20th century is now at its peak earning years and about to retire,” he said. “As this group leave their earning years, will they set a leisure and consumption culture for the rest of us or will they move into a more frugal mode of life and the whole dynamic will change?”

Talking about our finances may also become slightly less loaded, Mr. Conley predicted, as there is less and less stability; most people no longer work for the same company for years, nor have standardized contracts or receive defined pension benefits.

“With the increased volatility, people feel more desperate,” he said. “They may not say, ‘How much do you make? How much did you pay for your house,’ but, in a more subtle way, I think people feel the need to find that out more than they did 15 years ago.”

I can see becoming more open about our finances with friends and family. It is not that we have a lot to hide, but occasionally I’ve wondered about certain issues like how our income stacks up next to my sisters’ families’. Maybe I’ll bring that up at the next family reunion. And I’ll suggest that they go first.

rebeccajo
*yawn*

I'll reiterate what I said earlier.

It is my experience that people who have REAL money have no need to talk about it.
Virtual wife
You keep repeating that. Trying to convince whom of its truth?

Donald Trump would disagree. laughing.gif
ChristinaM
I find this interesting, because I talk quite often about money, and am pretty open about my financial status both here and IRL. Perhaps that's because I do not have a lot of money, and I have experiences I feel others can learn from. It's certainly not some sense of "Woe is me! I'm so POOR!!!".

I spent $800 on work on my car last week, and I paid it in cash. I don't feel that it's tacky to make that comment, because I was in fact very proud of that. It was a milestone for me - that I didn't have to charge it. Context is important.

I don't think it was tacky for GEG to mention her trust fund (yes, I did see the thread in question); when a question is related to politics and income, there is often a distinction between those who feel very strongly that they've earned it (Take Gary for instance - he said something along the lines of "I worked hard for that, why should you take it all away in taxes?") and those who are lucky enough to be born into it, and those who do not have any.

There's also a lot of junior high attitude in this thread, and that's unfortunate.
sparkofcreation
I'd say it's an American thing, in general. I had to tell Gareth when we bought our house that it's rude to tell people how much it cost—he was like "Er, but I knew how much all my friends paid for their houses in Glasgow ...?" But here people kept looking at him funny and changing the subject.
msu17
I'm in the camp of euphamisms or not mentioning it. However I make an exception for VJ when we're talking about I-134 and 864. Some of the time questions regarding these need more specific numbers to get a good answer since accountants dont know the visa process smile.gif
rebeccajo
Christina, I think the type of 'money discussing' you speak of - being able to pay for something in cash rather than credit in the context of a milestone - is not the type of discussion being questioned by the OP. I got the impression the question is about people flaunting dollars.

Which is what someone like Trump does. Some may regard his empire as 'real money' - I don't. A good pin-prick could bring it down.

To me, real money is about wise investments and solvency. It's also about what you DO with the money - how much good you do with it beyond your own needs.
Virtual wife
QUOTE(ChristinaM @ Mar 5 2007, 05:04 PM) *
I find this interesting, because I talk quite often about money, and am pretty open about my financial status both here and IRL. Perhaps that's because I do not have a lot of money, and I have experiences I feel others can learn from. It's certainly not some sense of "Woe is me! I'm so POOR!!!".

I spent $800 on work on my car last week, and I paid it in cash. I don't feel that it's tacky to make that comment, because I was in fact very proud of that. It was a milestone for me - that I didn't have to charge it. Context is important.

I don't think it was tacky for GEG to mention her trust fund (yes, I did see the thread in question); when a question is related to politics and income, there is often a distinction between those who feel very strongly that they've earned it (Take Gary for instance - he said something along the lines of "I worked hard for that, why should you take it all away in taxes?") and those who are lucky enough to be born into it, and those who do not have any.

There's also a lot of junior high attitude in this thread, and that's unfortunate.


Thx, sis! good.gif You're so right!
Happy Bunny
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Mar 5 2007, 02:50 PM) *
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 01:26 PM) *
To GEG: I find that you talking about your money...which let's face it, the 'trust fund baby' comment is probably the motivation behind this thread....anyways, I think you whipped that out as another qualifier of 'how you're so different' on here. It's very similar to the countless times you bring up your PhD, your 'social scientist' thing, how your traits are viewed as more masculine, etc...I personally find it kinda sad that you seem so insecure that you need to qualify yourself to the world constantly....cos after all, on the internet, why must there be an economic and social class heirarchy? Futhermore, you have no clue if that even makes you different at all...there could be countless trust fund babies on here

It's not always wise to judge a book by the cover...for instance, in my job, I'm meeting people all the time. I can't tell you how many cash buyers I've met that other people would judge as poor cos they dress like crap, drive ###### beat up cars, etc. It's called 'flying under the radar'. And many people do it.


I notice that you comment a lot about me.

On the thread where I made that comment, and it is the ONLY time I've mentioned my finances here at all, lots of other people were doing the same. You seem to make a habit of pointing me out even when I'm doing nothing different from anyone else to point out how "different" I am than anyone else. This is YOU doing this TO me, not me doing it to myself.

my thoughts to you is to chill and stop singling me out. No one else does this but you and Alex, so it's something in your heads that's going on that you're trying to impose on me because of your own insecurities. I'm telling you now, I am not insecure here or IRL, and I haev nothing to prove to you. So you choose to can stop being different yourself by paying an inordinate attention to what I say, or you can keep on with this and continue to look like shrill nags who need to elevate yourselves by constantly harping on someone else. And I don't need any lectures on "flying under the radar" either. If you can't handle me, then ignore me, but you should know you're not going to change me. Change yourself and pay less attention to me, coz I'm not all that interested in you.

Starting this poll because of me? What foolish crap that is!


Actually I did not start this poll because of you. I can list as many as 5 incidences in the last 24 hrs where people have boasted of their own financial standing. Not everything is about you!


Whoops my bad, Alex! blush.gif


Happy Bunny
Oh and GEG....if I was writing a thesis on how deluded some people are. I'd sooooo put you in it yes.gif
bora bora
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My father taught me that it's nobody else's business how much money you make. He would never even let me know how much he was making, imagine talking about it with friends or worse, strange people.



This is exactly how I was raised - my mother NEVER let us see her checkbook....

I don't talk about my finances but once someone finds out my profession they know.
MichelleandCraig
LOL laughing.gif How did I miss *this* one?

Anyway, this just reminded me of my first long-term boyfriend. OMG, it used to drive me nutsssssssssssssss....every time he would buy me something, he would tell me how much it cost him. TACKY in all caps is RIGHT! wacko.gif

On the other hand, I can see how talking about how much money you have when you have a lot, could be seen as bragging and tacky to some people, but I can't really see how talking about how poor you are (if you just don't care and choose to do that!) can be tacky really...? I mean, I know some people, as they stated, were taught to not talk about it at all....so maybe to those people...but for people who don't have much, it's certainly not *bragging*...so...ya know? I dunno. laughing.gif n/m actually...my brain is fried tonight. (and no, I'm not drinking. wink.gif ) M.
mawilson
QUOTE(MichelleandCraig @ Mar 6 2007, 01:29 AM) *
Anyway, this just reminded me of my first long-term boyfriend. OMG, it used to drive me nutsssssssssssssss....every time he would buy me something, he would tell me how much it cost him.

Mmm...how romantic! I can see why he's your ex laughing.gif
MichelleandCraig
That's just a *very* small part of the equation, but YES. laughing.gif
JelloShotGirl
i really dont care, i am kinda broke, so what ..............watever, i guess if i had lots of dough i wouldnt be bragging about it that is annoying/tacky. I guess we all talk about money here cause of affadavit of supports and stuff.
Caladan
It depends on how it's said: "I have $35,000 a year, is that enough to support my fiancée and her two kids on the I-864?" Totally cool. "Wow, I made more than that in six weeks!" Poor taste. It's only new money that has to brag.

I'm sort of amused that G-EG seems to think if more people talk about money, people will be richer. I can see that about sharing plans for financial success, but that doesn't make a lot of sense if we're talking about trust funds.

"How did you get your money?"
"I'm a trust fund baby! You should be more fiscally responsible like me because somehow I earned that money."
"Okay, next time I'm born, I'll get new parents. That was my mistake!"

Oh please.

But anyhow. Most of the talking about money lately was in specific dollar amounts anyway, due to mawilson's thread, so there was a context for it. I didn't think anyone was bragging, really, but I can see how it would be taken that way. Class doesn't have to brag.
Aymerlu
I'm flat a$$ broke so there is no money to talk about laughing.gif
Happy Bunny
Alex is right...I didn't really notice it before, but there's money talk all over the boards lately.

I see the money as being used as qualifiers as to how 'great' a person is. In the past 10 minutes I've read two statements in two seperate threads:

Poster X: hell I've cleared $xxx already this year

Poster X: well I make 6 figures

ok and???? What's that mean? You're great? special? talented? What point was that supposed to drive home? If the topic is about money directly, what's so bad about saying 'I do ok' or some other euphemism? If the topic is about how you pulled yourself up to make a great life for yourself...do you have to say you 'make 6 figures? does that really add to the point?

I really do think that it's just a question of how you were raised cos for those who grew up in households where you DON'T talk about money...well I can tell you these instances sounds sooooo weird.

And the fact that both two posters in this thread who have spoken about money have flat out accussed people here of being envious proves the point that it's used as a qualifier. 'you're jealous of me cos I have more than you do'

Hey, if that makes you feel better about yourself laughing.gif
Magenta
I only found out what my Dad made (before retirement) last year and that was only because we were talking about house prices back in the day. I spent 33 years not knowing what my parents' earned. It was thought of as private and personal and, being frank here, none of my damn business.

Boasting about money reminds me of men with loud trucks. You can draw your own conclusions about that...
brnidokiegurl
Ok its Tuesday morning and now there are 14 of us "broke" people, we're still waiting on you rich ones to share a little. In the end who cares, after all this for those that have more are they any happier? sure doesnt appear so does it. whistling.gif
Virtual wife
QUOTE(Caladan @ Mar 6 2007, 05:52 AM) *
It depends on how it's said: "I have $35,000 a year, is that enough to support my fiancée and her two kids on the I-864?" Totally cool. "Wow, I made more than that in six weeks!" Poor taste. It's only new money that has to brag.

I'm sort of amused that G-EG seems to think if more people talk about money, people will be richer. I can see that about sharing plans for financial success, but that doesn't make a lot of sense if we're talking about trust funds.

"How did you get your money?"
"I'm a trust fund baby! You should be more fiscally responsible like me because somehow I earned that money."
"Okay, next time I'm born, I'll get new parents. That was my mistake!"

Oh please.

But anyhow. Most of the talking about money lately was in specific dollar amounts anyway, due to mawilson's thread, so there was a context for it. I didn't think anyone was bragging, really, but I can see how it would be taken that way. Class doesn't have to brag.


This is what I actually said:

QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Mar 5 2007, 10:20 AM) *
. . . I think there's a time and a place for it, but dodging the fact that there are social and economic classes and levels in the world is silly because it's so obvious that there are. If we talked about money more and educated people about it, maybe more would have some.


All kinds of people here are talking about money. No one is being educated. Some are bitter, critical and pointing fingers at others about who has it and how they should behave so that the whiners don't feel bad. That is very telling. Check yourselves.

The fact is, you've got what you've got. Make the best of it because complaining about what someone else has isn't getting you any more nor making you any happier.
ChristinaM
Am I envious of the people who can come on here and say "Wow, I earned more than $35K in the last 3 months!" or "I earn a six-figure salary"? You bet I am. Would I like to be earning that kind of money? You bet I would. So that I can say I have it? No. Because earning that kind of money would change my life.

I don't have a problem with people with money; whether they earned it or inherited it. I don't have a problem with what they do with it, and I don't think it's inappropriate to pass comment on it, in context. I don't like the childish one-upmanship of "I earned $35K in three months", "Well I earned over $200K last year!" - a persons intrinsic value is not related to their wealth. If you make $25K in a year and give to charity, good for you. If you earn $1M in a year and don't give to charity, that's your right.

My husband and I are considering moving, and as such, have spent a lot of time talking about the cost of renting in different places with various people. Is that tacky? I don't think so. Yes, it gives an indicator of our level of wealth when I have to say to someone that $1200 a month is more than we can afford. Does anyone think any differently of me for knowing that? I would like to think not.

GEG is a trust-fund baby by her own admission. She's very lucky to have that. Whoop-de-doo. Charles, Gary and Gupt work in jobs where they makes a good amount of money; what's that to me? Incentive. That's what The US is all about, right? Work hard and you will be rewarded. If you work hard and you're proud of what you've achieved, then why pretend otherwise. I don't need to know the exact details of what anyone earns, but it doesn't bother me to know there are people out there earning 4 or 5 times what I do in a year, or that there are people born into money.

I think that some people need to learn the difference between bragging and pride, and they need to learn to put things in context.

I'm lacking caffeine, so forgive me if that doesn't make much sense smile.gif
Candace
QUOTE(mags @ Mar 6 2007, 09:24 AM) *
I only found out what my Dad made (before retirement) last year and that was only because we were talking about house prices back in the day. I spent 33 years not knowing what my parents' earned. It was thought of as private and personal and, being frank here, none of my damn business.


Ditto Mags, except I actually still have no clue what either of my parents earn now or ever did!
Caladan
I don't consider being born rich to make one a winner, any more than being born beautiful or tall does. I really don't think it's out of jealousy, and that's certainly not my case, at least. What would I have to be jealous of?

And while I agree educating people is the way to get people financially secure (the credit card debt thread was a good idea all around), I'm not sure that just "talking about money" helps towards that end at all. I suspect quite a lot of the time it does the opposite, as people feel that they need to keep up with the Joneses. Conspicuous consumption certainly doesn't incentivize people save more so they can afford nice things; they just go into credit card debt.

Context is very important (hence why I think this thread is a bit much), but I think there's decent social reasons not to talk about about income, and most of it isn't out of some deep-seated jealousy.
rkl57
I think the bragging about money is hilarious -- especially when "earning 6 figures" or "clearing $x amount this year already" still only makes you part of the beleaguered middle class and hardly constitutes class envy. It's not like this is the vast fortune enjoyed from inventing the wheel.
William33
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