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Savanphil

Feb 2 2007, 01:05 PM

What the @#$%

Only US citizen's can drive in the state of Pennsylvania

I certaintly hope that this is not true, maybe there is an acception that I do not know about but accroding the their website:

Proof of U.S. Citizenship
You'll need to prove that you're a U.S. citizen in order to get a driver's license in Pennsylvania by producing one of the below documents. All must be original; photocopies will not be considered valid.

United States birth certificate with raised seal
Certificate of U.S. citizenship
Certificate of naturalization
U.S. passport
U.S. military photo identification card

This really sucks for us.....I was hoping he could get his license some time this year.

jamrok

Feb 2 2007, 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Savanphil @ Feb 2 2007, 01:05 PM)

What the @#$%

Only US citizen's can drive in the state of Pennsylvania

I certaintly hope that this is not true, maybe there is an acception that I do not know about but accroding the their website:

Proof of U.S. Citizenship
You'll need to prove that you're a U.S. citizen in order to get a driver's license in Pennsylvania by producing one of the below documents. All must be original; photocopies will not be considered valid.

United States birth certificate with raised seal
Certificate of U.S. citizenship
Certificate of naturalization
U.S. passport
U.S. military photo identification card

This really sucks for us.....I was hoping he could get his license some time this year.

I would not get too excited about that....I am sure there are exception to that

Savanphil

Feb 2 2007, 01:13 PM

I sure hope so...I wrote them a feedback e-mail....we'll see what happens

I sure hope so...I wrote them a feedback e-mail....we'll see what happens

*Marilyn*

Feb 2 2007, 01:13 PM

QUOTE

Non-U.S. Citizens – You must bring ALL of the following:
• Social Security Card (card cannot be laminated)
• Valid Passport
• All original BCIS/INS documents
• Written verification of attendance from school (Student Status Only)
• Written verification from employer (Employment Status Only)
To obtain detailed information regarding "identity/residency
requirements", you can:
• Visit www.dmv.state.pa.us

http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotforms/dl_forms/dl-180.pdf

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/licensing_master/identity.shtml

QUOTE

FACT SHEET
IDENTIFICATION AND LEGAL PRESENCE REQUIREMENTS
FOR NON-UNITED STATES CITIZENS
As part of a nationwide effort to enhance the issuance of secure identification credentials, Pennsylvania requires the following documentation
from Non-U.S. Citizens applying for a PA Driver's License, Learner's Permit and/or Identification (ID) Card.

Age Requirements for Non-U.S. Citizens
- Individuals applying for or transferring a Non-Commercial Driver's License, Non-Commercial Learner's Permit and/or Identification (ID)
Card must be at least 16 years of age.
- Out-of-State Learner's Permits can not be transferred to Pennsylvania.
- Individuals applying for or transferring a Commercial Driver's License must be at least 18 years of age for intrastate driving or 21
years of age or older for interstate driving.
Acceptable List of Documents for Proof of Residence for Applicants 18 years of age or older
- Tax records
- Lease agreements
- Mortgage documents
- W-2 Form
- Current weapons permit
- Current utility bills (water, gas, electric, cable, etc.)
Note For Current Utility Bills, Cellular/Mobile or Pagers are not acceptable

Please note
All documents must show the same name and/or date of birth, or an association between the information on the documents. Additional
documentation may be required if a connection between documents cannot be established (e.g. Marriage Certificate, Court Order of
name change, Divorce Decree, etc.).

http://pdfdownload.bofd.net/pdf2html.php?u...ts/pub195nc.pdf

Samra

Feb 2 2007, 01:14 PM

check out Non-Us Citizens

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/licensing_master/identity.shtml

Savanphil

Feb 2 2007, 01:15 PM

Wow, thank you...maybe I should have searched a liitle harder before I flipped.....

Savanphil

Feb 2 2007, 01:18 PM

I'm never trusting the PA deparment of Motor Vehicles site again. I didn't even think to go to PENNDOT

broma25

Feb 2 2007, 01:45 PM

Glad you found the correct info, although it would make for pleasant driving in the state of PA if only citizens were allowed to drive.

Samra

Feb 2 2007, 01:49 PM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:45 PM)

Glad you found the correct info, although it would make for pleasant driving in the state of PA if only citizens were allowed to drive.

kitkat1

Feb 2 2007, 01:57 PM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:45 PM)

Glad you found the correct info, although it would make for pleasant driving in the state of PA if only citizens were allowed to drive.

um, why?

broma25

Feb 2 2007, 06:15 PM

Because there would be less cars on the road....sometimes its pretty hair raising driving in PA with the amount of traffic and the way they drive

Samra

Feb 2 2007, 06:22 PM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 06:15 PM)

Because there would be less cars on the road....sometimes its pretty hair raising driving in PA with the amount of traffic and the way they drive

great reason!

/sarcasm

cheeky^Wolf

Feb 2 2007, 06:45 PM

Savanphil,

It might be worth going into a Driving Licence Center and asking. I filled out all the papers from the PennDot site, only to be told when I got there that I didn't have to, and all they needed was my husbands passport or birth certificate.

Good luck.

Maybe we should have Amish buggy's eh broma?

kitkat1

Feb 2 2007, 06:48 PM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:15 PM)

Because there would be less cars on the road....sometimes its pretty hair raising driving in PA with the amount of traffic and the way they drive

The way "they" drive? What makes you think US citizens are better drivers than non-US citizens? What a strange comment . . .

Caladan

Feb 2 2007, 07:08 PM

Because PA has an immigrant driving problem? That's a new one.

I thought the main problems with driving in Pennsylvania were the aging population, dodging Amish buggies, and the little-known fact that potholes return every year to Pennsylvania to spawn.

Savanphil

Feb 2 2007, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Feb 2 2007, 06:45 PM)

Savanphil,

It might be worth going into a Driving Licence Center and asking. I filled out all the papers from the PennDot site, only to be told when I got there that I didn't have to, and all they needed was my husbands passport or birth certificate.

Good luck.

Maybe we should have Amish buggy's eh broma?

I will look into it, Thank you.

broma25

Feb 2 2007, 08:05 PM

QUOTE(cheeky^Wolf @ Feb 2 2007, 06:45 PM)

Savanphil,

It might be worth going into a Driving Licence Center and asking. I filled out all the papers from the PennDot site, only to be told when I got there that I didn't have to, and all they needed was my husbands passport or birth certificate.

Good luck.

Maybe we should have Amish buggy's eh broma?

No maybe they should invest some money in a decent public transportation system that would allow some of the idiots on the road to take public transport!

broma25

Feb 2 2007, 08:08 PM

And before I get slated for calling some of the drivers idiots...............since when when did learning to drive involve holding a cell phone to one ear with one hand, drinking coffee with the other.....ah now it just came to me why they dont use turn signals its because they dont have a free hand to use the lever....

Samra

Feb 2 2007, 08:31 PM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 08:08 PM)

And before I get slated for calling some of the drivers idiots...............since when when did learning to drive involve holding a cell phone to one ear with one hand, drinking coffee with the other.....ah now it just came to me why they dont use turn signals its because they dont have a free hand to use the lever....

and this is exclusive to immigrant drivers HOW?

J&D

Feb 2 2007, 08:54 PM

It's not exclusive to immigrant drivers....jeez..get a sense of humour people!! I am 100% sure the poster (who is obviously joking so lighten up!) meant 'they' as in PA drivers as a whole, not 'they' as in immigrant drivers only. I know that because no one can drive or knows how to signal a turn in Charlotte, NC also (apart from me of course)

Remember, if you don't smile at jokes & you take everything seriously and be totally humourless, you might even get a job with the USCIS...wouldn't that be nice....!

Samra

Feb 2 2007, 09:02 PM

QUOTE(J&D @ Feb 2 2007, 08:54 PM)

It's not exclusive to immigrant drivers....jeez..get a sense of humour people!! I am 100% sure the poster (who is obviously joking so lighten up!) meant 'they' as in PA drivers as a whole, not 'they' as in immigrant drivers only. I know that because no one can drive or knows how to signal a turn in Charlotte, NC also (apart from me of course)

Remember, if you don't smile at jokes & you take everything seriously and be totally humourless, you might even get a job with the USCIS...wouldn't that be nice....!

oh my bad, really thanks for clarifying this. its so glaringly obvious that what is quoted below is a joke.

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:45 PM)

Glad you found the correct info, although it would make for pleasant driving in the state of PA if only citizens were allowed to drive.

broma25

Feb 2 2007, 09:07 PM

QUOTE(Samra @ Feb 2 2007, 09:02 PM)

QUOTE(J&D @ Feb 2 2007, 08:54 PM)

It's not exclusive to immigrant drivers....jeez..get a sense of humour people!! I am 100% sure the poster (who is obviously joking so lighten up!) meant 'they' as in PA drivers as a whole, not 'they' as in immigrant drivers only. I know that because no one can drive or knows how to signal a turn in Charlotte, NC also (apart from me of course)

Remember, if you don't smile at jokes & you take everything seriously and be totally humourless, you might even get a job with the USCIS...wouldn't that be nice....!

oh my bad, really thanks for clarifying this. its so glaringly obvious that what is quoted below is a joke.

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:45 PM)

Glad you found the correct info, although it would make for pleasant driving in the state of PA if only citizens were allowed to drive.

I was not meaning to offend any immigrants, goodness I am an immigrant myself and I drive.....i was meaning that if only citizens were allowed to drive it would cut down on traffic. I was certainly not advocating that immigrants should not be allowed to drive.

Although I was serious about the cell phones and lack of turn signals..........lol

charles!

Feb 9 2007, 05:41 AM

QUOTE(Savanphil @ Feb 2 2007, 12:05 PM)

What the @#$%

Only US citizen's can drive in the state of Pennsylvania

I certaintly hope that this is not true, maybe there is an acception that I do not know about but accroding the their website:

Proof of U.S. Citizenship
You'll need to prove that you're a U.S. citizen in order to get a driver's license in Pennsylvania by producing one of the below documents. All must be original; photocopies will not be considered valid.

United States birth certificate with raised seal
Certificate of U.S. citizenship
Certificate of naturalization
U.S. passport
U.S. military photo identification card

This really sucks for us.....I was hoping he could get his license some time this year.

this right here shows how stupid this law is. nessa has a us military id card.

QUOTE(kitkat1 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:48 PM)

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:15 PM)

Because there would be less cars on the road....sometimes its pretty hair raising driving in PA with the amount of traffic and the way they drive

The way "they" drive? What makes you think US citizens are better drivers than non-US citizens? What a strange comment . . .

i'd much rather be on a road with a bunch of german drivers

broma25

Feb 9 2007, 11:21 AM

QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Feb 9 2007, 05:41 AM)

QUOTE(Savanphil @ Feb 2 2007, 12:05 PM)

What the @#$%

Only US citizen's can drive in the state of Pennsylvania

I certaintly hope that this is not true, maybe there is an acception that I do not know about but accroding the their website:

Proof of U.S. Citizenship
You'll need to prove that you're a U.S. citizen in order to get a driver's license in Pennsylvania by producing one of the below documents. All must be original; photocopies will not be considered valid.

United States birth certificate with raised seal
Certificate of U.S. citizenship
Certificate of naturalization
U.S. passport
U.S. military photo identification card

This really sucks for us.....I was hoping he could get his license some time this year.

this right here shows how stupid this law is. nessa has a us military id card.

QUOTE(kitkat1 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:48 PM)

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:15 PM)

Because there would be less cars on the road....sometimes its pretty hair raising driving in PA with the amount of traffic and the way they drive

The way "they" drive? What makes you think US citizens are better drivers than non-US citizens? What a strange comment . . .

i'd much rather be on a road with a bunch of german drivers

I dont mind what country people are from as long as they use the turn signals and let others know what manouvre they are about to make.

flutter95

Feb 9 2007, 12:06 PM

At first I felt the same way about the driving license problem, however then I found out how it was all ok after all!

Now if only insurance wasn't so damn expensive....;-)

londonspod

Feb 9 2007, 01:50 PM

QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Feb 9 2007, 05:41 AM)

i'd much rather be on a road with a bunch of german drivers

You are kidding right? I heard that German drivers don't even consider the speed limit to exist!

Half the drivers here in Toledo/S Michigan/Detroit don't bother to signal either. It's like you'll be driving down the interstate and someone changes lanes in front of you and you're like "sure, come on over buddy!"

broma25

Feb 9 2007, 02:01 PM

Also when merging onto a highway why dont drivers slow down/brake at the yield sign, my experience is that the only drivers that slow down and brake are the ones already on the highway.

jg_am

Feb 9 2007, 10:26 PM

I know I'm late here, but I called the PA DMV a few weeks ago and posted this:

" checked out Pennsylvania's requirements and the website said US Citizenship should was required. I called and they said K1 visa holders need the following: Passport, I-94, Soc SEcurity Card, Marriage Certificate, Proof of Residency(utility bill, name on a lease, etc), and proof of spouse's citizenship. "

dalegg

Feb 9 2007, 10:45 PM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 06:07 PM)

QUOTE(Samra @ Feb 2 2007, 09:02 PM)

QUOTE(J&D @ Feb 2 2007, 08:54 PM)

It's not exclusive to immigrant drivers....jeez..get a sense of humour people!! I am 100% sure the poster (who is obviously joking so lighten up!) meant 'they' as in PA drivers as a whole, not 'they' as in immigrant drivers only. I know that because no one can drive or knows how to signal a turn in Charlotte, NC also (apart from me of course)

Remember, if you don't smile at jokes & you take everything seriously and be totally humourless, you might even get a job with the USCIS...wouldn't that be nice....!

oh my bad, really thanks for clarifying this. its so glaringly obvious that what is quoted below is a joke.

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:45 PM)

Glad you found the correct info, although it would make for pleasant driving in the state of PA if only citizens were allowed to drive.

I was not meaning to offend any immigrants, goodness I am an immigrant myself and I drive.....i was meaning that if only citizens were allowed to drive it would cut down on traffic. I was certainly not advocating that immigrants should not be allowed to drive.

Although I was serious about the cell phones and lack of turn signals..........lol

They drive on the wrong side of the road

That would be a heck of a contrast though. In my state, they're even trying to issue licenses to ILLEGAL immigrants.

Matt85

Feb 10 2007, 04:46 AM

QUOTE(broma25 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:08 PM)

And before I get slated for calling some of the drivers idiots...............since when when did learning to drive involve holding a cell phone to one ear with one hand, drinking coffee with the other.....ah now it just came to me why they dont use turn signals its because they dont have a free hand to use the lever....

This problem is everywhere, not just PA. Im in washington, and everyday before i drive, i always make sure i have my middle finger ready.

charles!

Feb 12 2007, 06:08 AM

QUOTE(londonspod @ Feb 9 2007, 12:50 PM)

QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Feb 9 2007, 05:41 AM)

i'd much rather be on a road with a bunch of german drivers

You are kidding right? I heard that German drivers don't even consider the speed limit to exist!

Half the drivers here in Toledo/S Michigan/Detroit don't bother to signal either. It's like you'll be driving down the interstate and someone changes lanes in front of you and you're like "sure, come on over buddy!"

no, i'm not kidding. i drove for 8 years over there. they know how to drive and they are not on their cell phone - putting on makeup - playing with the cd player - yelling at the kids - reading a map - drinking starbucks - while driving.

the speed limit does exist even on the autobahn in cities primarily, but when you see the "130" sign with the line thru it watch out!

that's the only place i've seen where 150 mph is still considered slow.

isleta521

Feb 12 2007, 04:55 PM

If you dont like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk!

J/k

meauxna

Feb 12 2007, 05:45 PM

QUOTE(dalegg @ Feb 9 2007, 07:45 PM)

In my state, they're even trying to issue licenses to ILLEGAL immigrants.

Ha! One-up ya--in MY state, they DO issue licenses to illegal immigrants!