Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: First name changes
VisaJourney.com > General Discussion Area > Regional Discussion > Middle East and North Africa

Pages: 1, 2
sophyie
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:02 PM) *
A muslim name does not have to be arabic. I was taught that you can have any name you wish as long as it doesn't have negative connotations against Islam. For example, if you had the name Christine, you'd probably want to change it.


Just curious- where's the negative connotation against Islam in the name Christine?

Because it stems from the word "Christ" or "Christian"?

Why would that be considered negative towards Islam?
doodlebug
QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 10:07 AM) *
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:02 PM) *
A muslim name does not have to be arabic. I was taught that you can have any name you wish as long as it doesn't have negative connotations against Islam. For example, if you had the name Christine, you'd probably want to change it.


Just curious- where's the negative connotation against Islam in the name Christine?

Because it stems from the word "Christ" or "Christian"?

Why would that be considered negative towards Islam?


Christine is the female version of Christian which is the follower of Christ.
Henia
QUOTE(rahma @ Feb 1 2007, 09:19 AM) *
However, when I converted to Islam, I did not change my name. For me, Muhammad was Muhammad (saws) before he became muslim. Khadija was Khadija (ra) before she became muslim. Umar was Umar (ra) before he became a muslim. The Prophet (saws) changed names when the name had a negative meaning, and gave people affectionate nicknames, but everyone who converted didn't change their name.

Also, as a muslim I am suppose to honor my parents. My parents chose my name. I would see it as dishonoring them if I changed it.
I agree with you here! good.gif
deathbydalbhat
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 10:02 AM) *
QUOTE(chris4336 @ Feb 1 2007, 09:31 AM) *
Also a question for Muslims - are only the Arabic versions of the names of the prophets appropriate names? =



No and I think that's why I was confused in the beginning of this thread. I thought it asked what your "muslim"' name was not what your "arabic" name was. A muslim name does not have to be arabic. I was taught that you can have any name you wish as long as it doesn't have negative connotations against Islam. For example, if you had the name Christine, you'd probably want to change it. My first name is Bridget, which is the name of a saint who lived in Ireland. I thought of changing it legally but like others said I don't want to dishonor my parents. When I change my last name I will put Sarah as my middle name.


I am a Buddhist/Hindu so am sorry to butt in here but had to share my experience - my birth name actually is Christine tongue.gif and I changed it to the name my Guru/Lama gave me when I officially became Buddhist(took refuge) 6 years ago, went through the legal paperwork and everything 5 years ago, even though most people don't - it was a personal decision since my name was so obviously 'Christian'. My mom and her family have balked at it and now I don't really mind if she calls me Christine - I know that's how she refers to me behind my back because she's slipped a couple of times when I've come to visit... laughing.gif I also have a Hindu name which I picked out - Giripriya - which means 'lover of mountains' biggrin.gif - one of the 1008 names of Shiva. Sometimes my sweetie calls me 'Priya' which means 'beloved' and is also a nickname.

okay, I'll leave now and go back to my peeps in S. Asia... jest.gif
Henia
QUOTE(chris4336 @ Feb 1 2007, 09:31 AM) *
I have a question kind of on the topic of names...Whenever my fiance is telling someone his name he will always say his last name first. He does it for my name as well. Like for example his name was "Mohamed Eric Smith" he always introduces himself as "Smith, Mohamed Eric." Do your SOs do this as well? I kind of was thinking it was because there are so many Mohamed's that you need the last name to keep them straight.

Also a question for Muslims - are only the Arabic versions of the names of the prophets appropriate names? =



My husband and both do that. That has nothing to do with religion or MENA per say. Varies country to country. Like, in my country I would be(example) Madame Smith, Leila Nour ....
About your second question. There is much debate about... varies Salafis say one must have the arabic version, while more progressive Muslims would say spelling does not count. But I *think* it boils down what is your heart. God, your God knows you best, so....
Henia
QUOTE(chris4336 @ Feb 1 2007, 09:31 AM) *
I have a question kind of on the topic of names...Whenever my fiance is telling someone his name he will always say his last name first. He does it for my name as well. Like for example his name was "Mohamed Eric Smith" he always introduces himself as "Smith, Mohamed Eric." Do your SOs do this as well? I kind of was thinking it was because there are so many Mohamed's that you need the last name to keep them straight.

Also a question for Muslims - are only the Arabic versions of the names of the prophets appropriate names? =



My husband and both do that. That has nothing to do with religion or MENA per say. Varies country to country. Like, in my country I would be(example) Madame Smith, Leila Nour ....
About your second question. There is much debate about... varies Salafis say one must have the arabic version, while more progressive Muslims would say spelling does not count. But I *think* it boils down what is your heart. God, your God knows you best, so....
Henia
QUOTE(chris4336 @ Feb 1 2007, 09:31 AM) *
I have a question kind of on the topic of names...Whenever my fiance is telling someone his name he will always say his last name first. He does it for my name as well. Like for example his name was "Mohamed Eric Smith" he always introduces himself as "Smith, Mohamed Eric." Do your SOs do this as well? I kind of was thinking it was because there are so many Mohamed's that you need the last name to keep them straight.

Also a question for Muslims - are only the Arabic versions of the names of the prophets appropriate names? =



My husband and both do that. That has nothing to do with religion or MENA per say. Varies country to country. Like, in my country I would be(example) Madame Smith, Leila Nour ....
About your second question. There is much debate about... varies Salafis say one must have the arabic version, while more progressive Muslims would say spelling does not count. But I *think* it boils down what is your heart. God, your God knows you best, so....
Henia
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 09:39 AM) *
I've seen a trend here in which Christian Arabs in particular are naming their children more "American" names. Most Muslim Arabs I know are more traditional in naming their children "Arabic" names and having the father's name as the middle.
I hate when they do that. Esp for girls.... like Sharif, Leila Zeid(!!?!) I donnot like the way it looks or sounds. blink.gif But anyway that is my opinion
Henia
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 10:35 AM) *
QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 10:07 AM) *
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:02 PM) *
A muslim name does not have to be arabic. I was taught that you can have any name you wish as long as it doesn't have negative connotations against Islam. For example, if you had the name Christine, you'd probably want to change it.


Just curious- where's the negative connotation against Islam in the name Christine?

Because it stems from the word "Christ" or "Christian"?

Why would that be considered negative towards Islam?


Christine is the female version of Christian which is the follower of Christ.


True, it is. But while many Muslims (Salafi) would say this goes against Islam... I cannot see why. It is one of the religions of the books. I see how someone named Christine or Christien even if Muslim would be considered a Christien...but if your parents gave you that name and you donnot want to change it ...then why would you have to? God knows best and is all merciful... so I am pretty HE knows what is in our hearts.
Henia
Quote from a Islamic www
QUOTE
As for changing one’s name, it is not a necessary factor in accepting Islam, although many people choose to use Muslim names, so taking pride in their new identity. If one’s name contains some aspect of disbelief, such as one having a name which meant “the son of God”, then changing it becomes obligatory. Another reason a person should change their name is when it is one which is discouraged; such as if one had a name that meant “war” or something similar.[1]One ought to never change the name of one’s father, which usually follows one’s personal name, such as the “last” or “family” name, even if it be a disliked or forbidden name, in order not to blur the lines of familial lineage.
charles!
QUOTE(Henia @ Jan 31 2007, 10:12 PM) *
Arabic Names

Boys: Mohammed,Abdul, Ahmed, Emir,Basil, Bachir,Hamza, Jamal, Murad, Bilal, Nabil, Samir

Girl:Amal, Jazmin, Jameela, Karima, Kamila, Khadijah, Leila, Malak, Malika, Meriem, Noura, Nadia, Safiyah, Rania, Salma, Sanáa, Suhair, Warda,Zeinab,Adeela, Aldina

sub-cat Egyptien: (girl) Isis, Nile, Memphis (boy)Paki, Sobala

Aramaic:
Girl:Samantha, Talitha

Boy:Abbot,Zakai


Hebrew:
girl: Alayiah, Sarah, Abigal, Adalia, Rebeka, Ariel,
Ari: Aaron, David, Moses, Yaakov, Yael

Assyrian/Syrian:
girl : Lilith, Abella,Zada
boy: Aram, Sargon,

Turkis:

girl:Ayse, Dilek, Feiruza, Gizem,Harika,Jihen,Nuray, Safrah, Sevilin

boy: Haran, Erol, Murad, Baris, Ismet, Irem, Levent, Malik, Khan, Selim, Tamer, Tarkan, Soultan, Zefery

ty henia rose.gif
Henia
You are welcome good.gif
wife_of_mahmoud
Names of the prophets are very popular in Islamic cultures. Of course Muhammad is the most common. But you will also often see Ibrahim, Ismail, Yacub, Yusuf, Musa, Suleiman, Dawood, Issa (Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, David, Jesus) and many more. One of my husband's brothers is named Izhaq (Isaac.)

rose.gif

-MK
moody
Also names of companions or relatives of the prophet (pbuh) such as Hamza, Aisha, Fatima, Ali, Hassan, Husein, Khadiga, Zayd, etc.
moody
My sons both have their father's name as a middle as well as their grandfather and great grandfather's names. If I have a daughter one day (isa) I would keep with that tradition. It wouldn't bother me to have Mohamed Abderrazek as my (future) daughter's middle name.

QUOTE(Henia @ Feb 1 2007, 10:43 AM) *
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 09:39 AM) *
I've seen a trend here in which Christian Arabs in particular are naming their children more "American" names. Most Muslim Arabs I know are more traditional in naming their children "Arabic" names and having the father's name as the middle.
I hate when they do that. Esp for girls.... like Sharif, Leila Zeid(!!?!) I donnot like the way it looks or sounds. blink.gif But anyway that is my opinion
wife_of_mahmoud
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 03:05 PM) *
Also names of companions or relatives of the prophet (pbuh) such as Hamza, Aisha, Fatima, Ali, Hassan, Husein, Khadiga, Zayd, etc.



Absolutely good.gif

Maryam (Mary) is also a verrrrry popular name for a girl. And Asma' (daughter of Abu Bakr.)

rose.gif

-MK
sophyie
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Feb 1 2007, 10:02 PM) *
Names of the prophets are very popular in Islamic cultures. Of course Muhammad is the most common. But you will also often see Ibrahim, Ismail, Yacub, Yusuf, Musa, Suleiman, Dawood, Issa (Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, David, Jesus) and many more. One of my husband's brothers is named Izhaq (Isaac.)

rose.gif

-MK



So Jesus would be ok? And Christine not?
Jenn!
QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 04:22 PM) *
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Feb 1 2007, 10:02 PM) *
Names of the prophets are very popular in Islamic cultures. Of course Muhammad is the most common. But you will also often see Ibrahim, Ismail, Yacub, Yusuf, Musa, Suleiman, Dawood, Issa (Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, David, Jesus) and many more. One of my husband's brothers is named Izhaq (Isaac.)

rose.gif

-MK



So Jesus would be ok? And Christine not?


laughing.gif

I've been pretty confused too as to which names would be considered offensive and why.
moody
Yes, because Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet of Allah although it's not terribly common name in the MENA. The name, Christine, has no religious significance (sp) in Islam.
rahma
QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 03:22 PM) *
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Feb 1 2007, 10:02 PM) *
Names of the prophets are very popular in Islamic cultures. Of course Muhammad is the most common. But you will also often see Ibrahim, Ismail, Yacub, Yusuf, Musa, Suleiman, Dawood, Issa (Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, David, Jesus) and many more. One of my husband's brothers is named Izhaq (Isaac.)

rose.gif

-MK



So Jesus would be ok? And Christine not?



A common name formula in much of the muslim world has been abd (slave) of _______. It is generally frowned on to be considered a slave of anything but God. So, you can be Abdullah (slave of God) and AbdurRahman (slave of the Most Merciful), but it would be a no no to be be Abd'Muhammad (slave of Muhammad). I think Christian, implicating a follower of Christ, could be in that same category. However, I think it may also mean anointed, which I suppose would be an ok name.
wife_of_mahmoud
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 03:25 PM) *
Yes, because Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet of Allah although it's not terribly common name in the MENA. The name, Christine, has no religious significance (sp) in Islam.


Perhaps not in Egypt. But "Issa" is a fairly common name in Palestine, Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries. Both Muslim and Christians use this Arabic version of "Jesus."
sophyie
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 10:25 PM) *
Yes, because Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet of Allah although it's not terribly common name in the MENA. The name, Christine, has no religious significance (sp) in Islam.


Thanks.

So what other names would be considered as being negative towards Islam and therefore would be "worth" changing?
moody
No one said that Christine is a "negative" name. It's just not traditionally "Islamic".

QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 04:40 PM) *
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 10:25 PM) *
Yes, because Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet of Allah although it's not terribly common name in the MENA. The name, Christine, has no religious significance (sp) in Islam.


Thanks.

So what other names would be considered as being negative towards Islam and therefore would be "worth" changing?

Parivar CSK
Though it does not really apply to me, it could apply to my husband. (I want to say I only read the 1st page so sorry if I am missing an important part of this topic, I'll read the rest later...)

He was born in a Hindu family with a Hindu name, and when he became a Christian later in life he did not change his name and I would not want him to. I know some ppl in India might want to change their name when they become a Christian if they were Hindu or Muslim, etc because names unfortunately are so obvious in India as to what religion you are. Your name says what you are. PPL just assume. I don't like it, people should not have to be whatever religion their name supposedly is. I like that I have a supposedly Hindu last name now and my husbands name is Sujeet, and yet we are very devoted Christians, and not Hindu at all.
sophyie
QUOTE
No one said that Christine is a "negative" name. It's just not traditionally "Islamic".
Sorry if that came across the wrong way, I was referring to the posts quoted below.

I was trying to think of a name with a possible negative connotation and couldn't think of any and that's why I asked.



QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:35 PM) *

QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 10:07 AM) *
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:02 PM) *
A muslim name does not have to be arabic. I was taught that you can have any name you wish as long as it doesn't have negative connotations against Islam. For example, if you had the name Christine, you'd probably want to change it.


Just curious- where's the negative connotation against Islam in the name Christine?

Because it stems from the word "Christ" or "Christian"?

Why would that be considered negative towards Islam?


Christine is the female version of Christian which is the follower of Christ.


doodlebug
QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 05:33 PM) *
QUOTE
No one said that Christine is a "negative" name. It's just not traditionally "Islamic".
Sorry if that came across the wrong way, I was referring to the posts quoted below.

I was trying to think of a name with a possible negative connotation and couldn't think of any and that's why I asked.



QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:35 PM) *
QUOTE(sophyie @ Feb 1 2007, 10:07 AM) *
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Feb 1 2007, 04:02 PM) *
A muslim name does not have to be arabic. I was taught that you can have any name you wish as long as it doesn't have negative connotations against Islam. For example, if you had the name Christine, you'd probably want to change it.


Just curious- where's the negative connotation against Islam in the name Christine?

Because it stems from the word "Christ" or "Christian"?

Why would that be considered negative towards Islam?


Christine is the female version of Christian which is the follower of Christ.




Where's Amal's disclaimer when I need it? smile.gif

I should have said, "for me....", I would probably want to change it. To be a follower of anyone but Allah is in my own personal opinion not very Islamic. One of the things in the shahada, which is the phrase one says to publically declare themselves a muslim, is that "I declare there is none worthy of worship except Allah (God)"...

again.....my humble opinion for whatever it's worth.
Henia
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 04:13 PM) *
My sons both have their father's name as a middle as well as their grandfather and great grandfather's names. If I have a daughter one day (isa) I would keep with that tradition. It wouldn't bother me to have Mohamed Abderrazek as my (future) daughter's middle name.

QUOTE(Henia @ Feb 1 2007, 10:43 AM) *
QUOTE(moody @ Feb 1 2007, 09:39 AM) *
I've seen a trend here in which Christian Arabs in particular are naming their children more "American" names. Most Muslim Arabs I know are more traditional in naming their children "Arabic" names and having the father's name as the middle.
I hate when they do that. Esp for girls.... like Sharif, Leila Zeid(!!?!) I donnot like the way it looks or sounds. blink.gif But anyway that is my opinion



Maybe I just did not like my ex laughing.gif
jordanianprincess
So I have a question, if you have converted to Islam and changed your name...what about the names of your children?
rahma
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Feb 1 2007, 06:23 PM) *
So I have a question, if you have converted to Islam and changed your name...what about the names of your children?


Well, I didn't change my name, but my kids will have names that are religiously oriented, if we ever get around to having kids lol!

Jannah (paradise) for a girl and Mo'men (faithful) for a boy. From my understanding, they're not very common names in Egypt. I'm going to call them JJ and Momo innocent.gif
jordanianprincess
QUOTE(rahma @ Feb 1 2007, 04:27 PM) *
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Feb 1 2007, 06:23 PM) *
So I have a question, if you have converted to Islam and changed your name...what about the names of your children?


Well, I didn't change my name, but my kids will have names that are religiously oriented, if we ever get around to having kids lol!

Jannah (paradise) for a girl and Mo'men (faithful) for a boy. From my understanding, they're not very common names in Egypt. I'm going to call them JJ and Momo innocent.gif



Sorry let me clarify...I mean kids from a previous marriage that already have names that are non-arab/non-islamic.
doodlebug
My kids are not muslim but insha Allah if they decide to convert they can change their names if they want to. I wouldn't mind. luv.gif
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2008 Invision Power Services, Inc.