Ok, here's my situation. I think I may be a little confused. I had read, and to my understanding, that my husband needed State Police record for where he lived, IF he has lived there for more than 6 months, then only that state record was needed. He has lived at his current address for more than 3 years. So he has only obtained one state police record (Pernambuco) and one federal police record. Is this correct? Or does he need state police records for the other states that he has lived at in Brazil, even though he has lived at his current address for more than 3 years? (He has never lived out of Brazil.) If so, how does he get those records by Feb 9th, for his interview? He won't be able to travel to the states in which he resided in....So i'm very worried if we're wrong.

He needs all the state police records from all States he has lived since he's 16 and 1 federal police record. I think in the State police case it's only states he has lived for more than 6 months, I'll double check.

Yes, police certificates from each state he lived since he's 16 for more than 6 months:

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So if he lived in other states (other than Pernambuco) he needs to go there and ask for the police certificates, becasue he needs to go himself , show ID, pay, etc. In my case for example I needed both SC and PR police certificates, so since I was living in SC at the time, I went to Curitiba to get my PR police certificate and I had my Godmother picking it up and sending to me by mail.

This is what it says on the directions:

IF the applicant AND THEN the applicant needs a police certificate from
-is living in their country of ...is 16 years old or older... ...the police authorities of that locality.
nationality at their current
residence for more than 6
months...

-lived in a different part of ...was 16 years or older at that time... ...the police authorities of that locality.
their country of nationality
for more than 6 months...

Ok, so my husband has lived at his CURRENT residence for 3 1/2 years. So does only the first one apply to him? OR He has lived 4 or 5 other places for more than 6 months, after he was 16 years old, so does the second apply to him also? How does he obtain state police records from those 4 or 5 states, in 9 days or less, and without traveling to those states??? Oh, somebody please screw my head back on, and give me a prozack.

They both apply to him. He needs police records from anywhere he lived for more than 6 months. Figure out how to get those reports. If one of the states was São Paulo he can at least get that one online... my guess is he will go to the interview and get a 221(g) for those police reports.

Don't panic. I remember I had to go there in person, but he can try to send someone he knows in every state he lived a copy of his RG/CPF autenticada em cartório, they can ask for the police certificate and mail back to him. Some states take a week, usually it's 7 work days. But you never know. If I were him I'd call every state police he has lived for over 6 months for the last 5 years and see what can be done, what's the fastest way and if someone can do that on his behalf so he doesn't need to go there in person.

I read that link you gave.....it says the same thing I just posted..... If the applicant is living in their country of nationality at their CURRENT RESIDIENCE for MORE THAN 6 months...then the applicant needs a police certificate from the police authorities of that locality. Again, Roberto has lived at his current residence for more than 3 years.

Even though he has lived in 4 or 5 other states for MORE THAN 6 months; the next part says:

lived in a different part of their country of nationality for more than 6 months....blah blah.

So this is my question. Does this really mean, (at least the way I understand it) "If the applicant is living in their country of nationality and HAS NOT been living at their CURRENT residence for more than 6 months, THEN...." he should get police certificates for every state that he has resided in for MORE THAN 6 months since the age of 16.

Edit: he needs a police certificate from each state he has lived for over 6 months for the past 5 years.

Well this does make things a little easier. He's lived in Pernambuco for the last 3 1/2 years (which he has already obtained his police certificate for) and then previous to that, but no more than 5 years ago, he lived in Curitiba, Para. So does he only need a state certificate for Para, and that's it? That takes him back 5 years. And if so, how does he obtain Para certificate without going there?

Curitiba - Paraná, right? There's no other Curitiba in Pará State as far as I'm concerned (Pará and Paraná are 2 different states, btw). Well, if I were him I'd first call Paraná State police and ask them what are his options. In my case I had to go to Curitiba and ask for the police certificate myself, it took them over 2 weeks to get it done, and I wasn't waiting 2 weeks in Curitiba (I wasn't living there by the time) so I had someone picking it up for me and mailing to me. So I know it is possible to have someone else picking it up for him, I just don't know if it's possible to have someone else requesting it for him, I think they need his presence for that. So call and verify, because if it is possible to have someone else requesting, then maybe he can ask a friend to do that for him.

Good luck Andrea!!

How do i find the info to call the Parana state police? And where/what source was the link from that says only 5 years back? ARe you absolutely sure that it is only 5 years back, and not until age 16?

Request the certificates asap, no matter how long it'll take. If he doesn't get them by the time of the interview, he'll get a 221(g) and you'll have to send it to the Consulate whenever you can.
I'll keep my fingers crossed...

What is a 221(g)? Will they not issue his visa until they recieve all police certificates? We can't "wait" in Rio very long. Really, what this is coming to is....Does he go back only 5 years, or until the age 16 or 18?

If everything else is right but he still needs to provide the certificates, they'll give him a green 221(g), which allows him to just mail them the certificates whenever he can... and they'll send him his visa once they receive the certificates.
If he needs to go back for a second interview (that was my case) they'll give him a white 221(g).
If all he needs is the police report from those states, it's more likely he'll get the green one since there's no need for him to go back to Rio just to give them those papers.

And in my opinion, he needs to request a police certificate for every state he has lived in for more than six months after his 16th bday. But that's open for discussion though.

We're F*****! I don't know what to do!! He needs a state police certificate from Parana, Goias and SP. He can't go there to get it! And once in Rio, he can't fly back to Recife (home) either! Nor can I afford to pay for us or even him to "live" in a hotel in Rio while waiting for this sh** to complete. If it's only 5 years, it might be easier to obtain Parana by the time of the interview, but to get 3 more in 9 days.....

He doesn't have to wait for his visa in Rio... if he does get a green 221(g), he can go home after his interview and mail the certificates to them. Then they'll mail him his passport with his visa.
But don't worry before you really have to. I'll try to find out the easiest ways for him to get those documents.

Double post. Sorry

Once he's in Rio, he's stuck. I can't afford to fly him back to Recife and then to the US

Have you bought his tickets to the US already?

Well, sh*t! Sorry about that...
Here's what I found:

Paraná- (it says he has to go there himself or appear before a notary public and sign a document giving someone permission to go and request the certificate for him)
http://www.institutodeidentificacao.pr.gov....php?conteudo=7

São Paulo- (he can get it online)
http://www2.ssp.sp.gov.br/atestado/

I'll look for information on how to get the one from Goiás and I'll post it here.

Ok, I re-read the instructions. It says"

IF the applicant lived in a different part of their country of nationality for MORE than 6 months, AND was 16 years or older at that time, THEN the applicant needs a police certificate from the police authorities of that locality."

This is referring to State Police Records: Secretaria de Seguranca Publica

If you continue to read further, it has a whole little paragraph about Secretaria de Seguranca Publica. It says:

It is required that the applicant obtain a certificate from the "Policia Tecnico Cientifica," "Instituto de Identificacao" from each state in Brazil where the applicant has resided for 6 (six) months or longer for the LAST 5 (FIVE) YEARS. If you have resided in more than one state in Brazil, during this period, you will need one for each state.


Ok, so the way I'm understanding it is: If you are 5 years older than 16 (which would be 21) then yes, you would go back to the age 16, (which is going back 5 years) and obtain state police records for every state you lived in for more than 6 months. BUT If you're 28 years old; 5 years back would only take you to the age of 23 years of age (NOT 16 years of age)

Does this make the same sense to anyone??

Here's the website to double check the info: http://www.embaixada-americana.org.br/pdfs...%2011-7-06).pdf

Read pages 4-6. The thing about the 16 years of age, does not refer to how far back you should go when obtaining state police records. It's only the starting age. Ok, I think we've all be very confused on this.

I understand what you're saying. It does make sense. But I'd still call the Consulate and make sure though.

Yes, I emailed the consulate, and I'll call tomorrow to verify. But we still have the issue of obtaining Parana.

Is there any way you can reschedule your interview?
Also I bet you could get away with only getting police reports for the past 5 years since they only know your whereabouts for the past 5 years, right? Even if that is true if it's illegal don't do it...

No, i won't reschedule the interview. I'll take a 221(g) first. Hopefully, it won't take long to obtain Parana.

Someone else said it - call and/or e-mail the consulate. That's what I suggest too.
You don't want to reschedule the interview?
I understand what you mean about flying back and forth. Eliton is leaving Manaus for good when we meet in Rio.

I hope everything works out for you!!

Check with the police in Paraná. If someone else can request it for him, and if by any chance he doesn't have anyone there to do that for him, let me know. Maybe I can ask someone that lives there to help (I've lived there most of my life). Now if he has to go by himself, then ...

Ok, I called the consulate, and she said it is back to the age 16. Roberto is getting a proxy for him for Parana, but we still need SP and Goias. He can NOT order is state police record for SP online, because his RG was not issued from there. Does anyone know now how he can get it? Does he need a proxy also for SP and Goias?

And do you think it is better to have the record directly mailed to the consulate, or to our hotel, or to his home in Recife (whichever is faster)??

I just called the consulate TODAY in Rio, and they said it IS ALL THE WAY BACK UNTIL THE AGE 16!!! They had no explanation why it said 5 years. So, even if the consulate worker that I spoke to today is wrong, I would get them all just in case....because clearly no one knows exactly what they mean. But I will be sure to ask the consular who gives us our interview what the REAL truth about it is...and I'll get back to you. Andrea


On a side note: Today was the worst day of my life. I have not had this much stress and worry ever! My husband said that if he didn't die of a heart attack today from all of this, then he knows he will live to be 100 with a strong heart. In the midst of my yelling and crying, and I could was laugh! He's doing all he can to get the police records requested BEFORE he flys to Rio on Wednesday....so, then all we can do is wait in Rio for them to arrive.... on the optimistic side of all of this; What's wrong with a few extra days to a week in Rio, lying on beach, or in our hotel room making up for all the lost sex that we haven't had over the last 10 months we've been away from each other?! At least we figured this out before, even only just a few days before the interview..... I guess, at the end of the day, I realize, that it could be worse.

I just got this email from the Rio Consulate!!!

Dear Sir or Madam:



The state police certificates are required for every state that the person lived for at least 6 months for the last 5 years.



Regards,



IV Unit

Strange, maybe they changed it? 'Cus the instructions definitly asked for every state that a person lived in for more than 6 months since they were 16.

But good to know you can now solve matters easier.

I hope that helps you Andrea and makes this process easier for you both.
Good luck.

I'm SO anxious right now! I'm leaving tomorrow for Brazil, and I can't believe I'll see my husband again on Wednesday!!! I'm literally just watching the hours tick by---- they go by SOOO SLOW. This is more nerve wrecking than when I flew to Brazil for my wedding!! Our interview is Friday, so I'll try to post our interview experience soon after, otherwise check back late Feb once I'm...no scratch that, once WE'RE HOME!!! WHOO-HOO! I can't believe this is really, finally happening.

That's good news for me too. Let us know how the interview goes.

Mateus

Hi, My fiancee is from Peru, She has been to vermont and boston. In vermont she lived for a year and a half on a J1 visa (we got waiver for restiction removed) and in boston a little over 6 months. Is it 6 month or more everywhere in South america for the police certificates? I know im not even close to needing to do this but I wanna get an idea of what I need to do now so I dont panic later.




Francesco y Sonia



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Enjoy your time with your hubby, Andrea and good luck