WOW did they really? how did i miss that one??? I am not sure if i should laugh or cry!

okay sorry for mislabeling you a lefty I meant left leaning only because i thought i understood a post to be supportive of finding real peace in the conflict without spouting off with ideological extremism. So I should have said, someone intelligent enough to understand the issue

Right but what you were saying was this forum very focused on Islam and I disagree. Yes there are many topics here that concern Islam, but that is no different than daily life for anyone in a MENA country. No one has ever disrespected me because I am Christian.

Jordan is only 6% Christian and no one there has problems living side by side. I don't really participate is threads about Islam because I have nothing to contribute. I think we have a pretty well balanced forum.

lol, thats right, i lean right. but im not an extremist. ive lived there, i know the situation, and extremism on EITHER SIDE is not the answer. so if thats what you meant by me being a lefty im all for it.

just dont get that confused with my other political leanings

I don't think Canadians get heated up like the rest of us over politics. Or at least they know how to take it in stride.

amen. I'm with wildroze22 where i feel uncomfortable posting my real opinions here other than "happy friday, what 80's heartthrob were you, and regular questions regarding the visa process" i don't know whether its you all or within myself that makes me feel uncomfortable to share my feelings.... but why argue with people who will never agree with me is right...........it seems silly to say but really, if we sit here and argue are you going to change your mind? hmmm don't think so. you are all deeply intwined in your husbands culture, religion, and beliefs. thats very apparent here. (and i do know many of you became muslim before meeting them.) its natural for women to take on their husbands interests and religion. afterall, they made it okay for a muslim man to marry a non-muslim woman and not the opposite. but anyway,.....

israelis are very much similar to arabs. their culture. food. decor. DNA. the same. many israelis were even BORN in morocco, iraq, iran, etc. we are cousins. the religion is even similar. its a shame all of thiis fighting happens between us.....

You are 100% right, there is no point in argueing. However there is nothing wrong with a friendly debate, people often learn alot that way.

My bad...I know there weren't pictures of killing and I didn't realize I wrote that exactly, now I see it...sorry!



Just wanted to clarify something else, I never said wildroze was a conservative or didn't lean left. I just brought that up as another issue. I am a conservative and I post here, I am a Christian and I post here. But I have gotten thick internet skin over the years. In the past I would not have been so willing.

I think everyone needs that to be on the net unfortunatly.

That's all well and good, Stina, and I hope that happens for you, but it doesn't always work out so that we're all so nicy nice. I'm just letting you know because none of the "open-minded" regulars here told me when I was "out". I had to figure it out for myself. Yesterday, I received the confirmation. You'd be surprised at how many people feel the biases but are afraid to say anything.



You are welcome!

I am sure the situation is reversed, well it certainly has been.

The Egyptians had training facilities prior to the Seven Days War, I would be very surprised bearing in mind the significant military forces in the area that most Countries do not have similar facilities.

Ok, but in the media, how would it be portrayed? The thread is about the media & how the media would handle this.

i know you really want an answer, but ive think youve gotten it

it has happened. im sure that there are many recreations of israeli towns and places. otherwise the intifada would have not had as many "successes" as it did.

they exist. the media doesnt care. maybe it does sometimes, but on the whole there are MANY more things to be up in arms about

just an opinion

I have yet to get an answer. Where has it happened? I'd say it's not in the media because it hasn't happened. I do not believe for a second if Fatah had a grand opening of an fake Israeli town to be used for military operation practice the media wouldn't be all over it. Of course, this kind of construction wouldn't happen in Palestine because it would never be allowed in the first place.

Probebly not in Palestine but most certainly in Iran and Syria. I think alot of it depends on what media outlets you get your news from. If it were on Arab media, it would be blown out of proportion. If it were on Jewish media, it would be blown out of proportion.

Only partly true--they vent out in full at election time.

That is why:

• Liberals (aka "Grits") in 1984 elections fell from 135/267 (15 vacant seats at that time) to 40/282
• Progressive-Conservatives aka "Tories" in 1993 fell from 151/291 (4 vacant) to 2/295

There are a lot of comments here that I'd like to address.

First of all:



and



I assume you are referring to the statement that has been endlessly repeated in mainstream American media -- that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad supposedly stated that "Israel should be wiped off the map." (Please correct me if this is not what you are talking about, but it's the most obvious thing that comes to mind.)

This allegation has been printed and broadcast as "fact" over and over in the United States. But it's not what he said.

First of all, the “quote” in question was actually a quote itself -- Ahmadinejad was giving a speech, and in it he quoted what the Ayatollah Khomeini (who died 17 years ago) had said about Zionism.

Here is what Ahmadinejad actually said:

In English:



Word by word:

What should be most interesting to the most hardened skeptics is that even MEMRI (certainly no fans of Iran, or anything Muslim) translates the line almost exactly the same:

QUOTE

Here is the full transcript of the speech in Farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site:

http://www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/...04sahyonizm.htm

He never said anything about Israel the country, and never even mentioned the word "map." He said that Khomeini said that the government that is occupying Jerusalem needs to be removed.

One may certainly disagree with Ahmadinejad's reasoning, or his politics, or his haircut, or whatever one likes.

But calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map" is something he never said.

I guess it might make a tabloid story, but not the serious media. Would be akin to "Sun rises this morning"

Like I said, Egyptians did it years ago.

But one wonders how the casual observor would differentiate a town set up for FIBUA operations from being Israeli/Egyptian/Syrian/Iranian etc etc.

Signage in Hebrew?

Well, if you don't know the difference in the appearance of a Palestinian town and and Israeli town, you would make the comment you did, I suppose.

And I think it's ridiculous to pretend the MSM wouldn'tpick up a story like this should the tables turn, and make a huge deal of it. Case in point, the absolute bastardization of Ahmadinejad's speech as MK outlined.

Wildroze, Although you deleted your comment, it was still read.

Achmadinejad does not deny the Holocaust. He talks aout freedom of speech and the world's sensitivity about talking about anything related to the Holocaust that might be perceived as anti-semitic.

Any review of the man's life, his education, would reveal he is a smart man who is clearly pushing limits in world politics. He says things that rile people up, and that is his point.

Again, the fact that American "mainstream" media (I won't use "MSM" here as the acronym has a different meaning for South Indians) missed a major international story on its own doorstep belies this.

The bastardisation could easily be due to a multihand translation, as many of them don't have reporters on ground. This is shown by the oft-reported (since 1990--when it had been untrue for 10 years by then, no change since) "cow slaughter is banned in almost all Indian states" (which tells me the "reporter" never actually set foot in India--where beef is actually readily available for those who have a taste for it).

i actually didnt mean to dlete my post, the computer was acting up. i still stand behind what i say.

first off, he didnt make a comment about palestinian vs israeli towns. he made a comment about Israeli/Egyptian/Syrian/Iranian. I agree they would be the same, but dont get upset about a comment not made.

also, the second point are ttwo very different things. ahmadinejad has made it quite clear that he is anti israel and anti american. he has come forth loudly to declare things like the denial of the holocaust, which makes him headline news. headline news is often distorted by media. a creation of an israeli town in iran or syria for training purposes would NOT be headline news because im quite sure they already exist. again, if they didnt i would be greatly surprised. so they are NOT headline news.

hes a smart man... and so was hitler, and many other leaders

oh??

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12...aust/index.html

this is one link to many. you can't deny he held this conference..........hchouma on achmadinejad!

I realize the issue is sensitive. Is the suggestion the Holocaust never happened insulting and preposterous? Of course. But the point is, he is making a point that has little to do with whether or not the Holocaust happened, or what his belief is about the actual events.

He makes comments that piss people off. He asks why Israel, created by Europeans, isn't in Europe? Or the US? He is making a point. Just the mere question of anything to do with Israel is met with unfettered anger, no matter the content of the question.

anti-zion does not equal anti-semitic.

It's probably also worthwhile to point out that Ahmadinejad (I am going to misspell this, forgive me) does not control the military or the decisions to go to war at *all* under the Iranian system of government. He can spout speeches the whole day long, and piss off people, and hate Israel as much as he wants, and it doesn't actually have a thing to do with whether Iran is going to invade.

Any more than when Bush makes a speech calling North Korea part of the Axis of Evil means we're going to nuke P'yongyang, except that Bush is actually commander-in-chief. Ahmadinejad isn't. He may be playing to a base, but the control of the military is in the hands of the religious government, and they haven't survived for 30 years by being idiots.

Last week there was a kerfluffle piece on how Iran must be being *aggressive* because they've developed.... defensive weapons that could be used against American air superiority in the event of an attack. That's right, constructing a defensive weapon was construed in the media as an offensive action.

I'll look for the link later, but it was CNN or NYT; somewhere mainstream.

This is a good post.