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Boiler
QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 09:58 AM) *
QUOTE(fwaguy @ Jan 25 2007, 10:46 AM) *
QUOTE(Boiler @ Jan 25 2007, 10:41 AM) *
If you want to blame anyone, blame the people who drafted the Act and the Politicians who voted for it.

They created the mess, they can fix it.

USCIS etc just has to implement it.


Don't forget that DCF is under the control of the Department of State not USCIS so they are the ones reacting/implementing here as well.


Actually, first off not call to complain, but to voice our disappointments of how handled. Thats the American way to express our voiec and ask for resolution. Thats the whole purpose of Inspection General to investigate these things. Second DCF's are under the Department of State, but I read the memo and spoke to Department of State Laison and it is by direction of USCIS to process all petitions. Department of State was helping to lighten the load on USCIS. So your correct the the embassy's are under control of the Department of State, but the direction is from Mike Ayres who works for USCIS.

They completely mismanaged this and they should hear our voice, our we can be like other countries and be silent and except whatever is dealt out. The purpose is to tell them and our Congressman as we are disgrunted about this, please do something to help our cause. Pressure can go along way in this worls. Maybe they will put more people on this to assist, or maybe not? I am not just going to sit and say I except the "little inconvience". My wife travelled along way as many others, and was 15 minutes away from getting her VISA.

If anyone wants the numbers to voice thier concerns on this, see my earlier post. Its a wonderful new law and I respect it and support 100%, however, in America, we grandfather; introduce slowly, CALL PEOPLE who are affected instead of telling them at their appointment......



I know its more complicated than just USCIS, hence the etc.

There would seem to be quite a few people on this thread not 100% happy with the Act.

I would hope that if the Consulates had advanced notice of this, they would have been more helpful, everything I have read suggests that it was dumped on them at short notice.

The Politicians are the ones to be held accountable.
John and Sonya
QUOTE(Boiler @ Jan 25 2007, 11:08 AM) *
QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 09:58 AM) *
QUOTE(fwaguy @ Jan 25 2007, 10:46 AM) *
QUOTE(Boiler @ Jan 25 2007, 10:41 AM) *
If you want to blame anyone, blame the people who drafted the Act and the Politicians who voted for it.

They created the mess, they can fix it.

USCIS etc just has to implement it.


Don't forget that DCF is under the control of the Department of State not USCIS so they are the ones reacting/implementing here as well.


Actually, first off not call to complain, but to voice our disappointments of how handled. Thats the American way to express our voiec and ask for resolution. Thats the whole purpose of Inspection General to investigate these things. Second DCF's are under the Department of State, but I read the memo and spoke to Department of State Laison and it is by direction of USCIS to process all petitions. Department of State was helping to lighten the load on USCIS. So your correct the the embassy's are under control of the Department of State, but the direction is from Mike Ayres who works for USCIS.

They completely mismanaged this and they should hear our voice, our we can be like other countries and be silent and except whatever is dealt out. The purpose is to tell them and our Congressman as we are disgrunted about this, please do something to help our cause. Pressure can go along way in this worls. Maybe they will put more people on this to assist, or maybe not? I am not just going to sit and say I except the "little inconvience". My wife travelled along way as many others, and was 15 minutes away from getting her VISA.

If anyone wants the numbers to voice thier concerns on this, see my earlier post. Its a wonderful new law and I respect it and support 100%, however, in America, we grandfather; introduce slowly, CALL PEOPLE who are affected instead of telling them at their appointment......



I know its more complicated than just USCIS, hence the etc.

There would seem to be quite a few people on this thread not 100% happy with the Act.

I would hope that if the Consulates had advanced notice of this, they would have been more helpful, everything I have read suggests that it was dumped on them at short notice.

The Politicians are the ones to be held accountable.


The politicians passed the law back in July, and it is a good law to protect woman and children to immigrate into an abusive relationship. However, the ball was dropped by the people who were to follow the laws back in July. They applied the law to everything but DCF's, and it should apply. I am not at all angry with the law, just how it was handeled.

And actually we should not waste energy on complaining, but to tell congressman, USCIS and the Department of State on how disatisfied how our officials handled this and ask how are they going to expedite and make this better. We all know its going to add a long delay, especially those of us that showed up on January 23rd and the days to follow, to find out we are delayed further. My heart goes to all of us, but even more to the poor people who were getting ready to file their I-130's and now have to file in the US and will be delayed for months longer than the DCF process. At least us who already had our I-130 petitions approved, will only be delayed for a couple months, maybe even less if USCIS decides to put more resources on this injustice.

I agree with the prior posts, everyone needs to sit back, relax, nothing can be done today. Lets see what happens over the next week. Keep in touch with your embassy, they have been instructed to still support us. My understanding is people with approved petitions already, will be sent to a USCIS post located near their embassy, such as my wife is in Ukraine, so our petition will goto Moscow. At Moscow they will check my background, then send back to Ukraine. We will get a new Packet 4 and a new interview date. But soon we will know exactly what we are to do. Good luck to all!!
Yodrak
John and Sonya,

Excellent idea - just when they have new additional work to do to sort out the I-130 mess, load them up further with a batch of B2 visa applications.

Yodrak

QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Also another note, those who think they may get a Tourist VISA now, I contacted the embassy, since you are showing that you are planning to immigrate, the chances are almost non-existed you will qualify for a B-2 VISA. But dont stop from applying or calling.

.....
atp
Well,

I am part of the group that hadn't filed the I-130 yet, but I was counting on the DCF to expedite my process...

Now I am in doubt of which could be the best path to take, can someone shed some light on this issue ?

I am not married yet, my marriage license will be ready in a couple of days, here in Brazil, but now I don't know if I should try going for the K1 or K3 route. My main goal is to be away from my respective other for the least amount of time possible. From what I gathered from this forum and from the Gov. sites the K3 seemed promising because you already begin the immigration process, however the K1 route seems to be faster at first sight.

The Embassy/Consulate in Brazil hasn't even updated their website yet. They are as clueless as some of us at this time.

Please post your opinions.

Thank you.

Andre
Boiler
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jan 25 2007, 10:36 AM) *
John and Sonya,

Excellent idea - just when they have new additional work to do to sort out the I-130 mess, load them up further with a batch of B2 visa applications.

Yodrak

QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Also another note, those who think they may get a Tourist VISA now, I contacted the embassy, since you are showing that you are planning to immigrate, the chances are almost non-existed you will qualify for a B-2 VISA. But dont stop from applying or calling.

.....



Most people do not seem to have a problem travelling with the VWP or a B if an I-130 is pending.

Applying for a B might be tricky, you are not by definition going have that many ties.

I can not imagine it will have much impact of processing times. The potential numbers are tiny compared to the whole.
Boiler
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 10:51 AM) *
Well,

I am part of the group that hadn't filed the I-130 yet, but I was counting on the DCF to expedite my process...

Now I am in doubt of which could be the best path to take, can someone shed some light on this issue ?

I am not married yet, my marriage license will be ready in a couple of days, here in Brazil, but now I don't know if I should try going for the K1 or K3 route. My main goal is to be away from my respective other for the least amount of time possible. From what I gathered from this forum and from the Gov. sites the K3 seemed promising because you already begin the immigration process, however the K1 route seems to be faster at first sight.

The Embassy/Consulate in Brazil hasn't even updated their website yet. They are as clueless as some of us at this time.

Please post your opinions.

Thank you.

Andre



KI usually has the edge, but much of that is that you can start immediately rather than wait to get married. That seems not an issue in your case.

I would not at your stage let it be the deciding factor. So many other variables.
zyggy
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 12:51 PM) *
Well,

I am part of the group that hadn't filed the I-130 yet, but I was counting on the DCF to expedite my process...

Now I am in doubt of which could be the best path to take, can someone shed some light on this issue ?

I am not married yet, my marriage license will be ready in a couple of days, here in Brazil, but now I don't know if I should try going for the K1 or K3 route. My main goal is to be away from my respective other for the least amount of time possible. From what I gathered from this forum and from the Gov. sites the K3 seemed promising because you already begin the immigration process, however the K1 route seems to be faster at first sight.

The Embassy/Consulate in Brazil hasn't even updated their website yet. They are as clueless as some of us at this time.

Please post your opinions.

Thank you.

Andre


Basically the way it looks, the consulates can no longer approve I-130 petitions themselves. All I-130 petitions must be approved by USCIS either in the US or through their Foreign Field Offices. Most foreign field offices only will take I-130 petitions that are filed by those resident in the countries that they serve. Whether the Consulate will still collect the I-130 and fee and forward the I-130 to the local USCIS foreign field office for adjudication or the I-130 will have to be filed directly with USCIS is not known at this time. Most likely you will no longer be able to file at a USCIS field office if you are a visitor there, but will be required to file in the US

The local USCIS field office that services Brazil is in Lima, Peru. I suggest waiting a few weeks until the present situation shakes itself out...


DeadPoolX
Okay, so this is how I'm reading the information: The USC needs to petition and file the I-130 with the USCIS office that has jurisdiction over your U.S. place of residence (i.e. my U.S. domicile is in Texas, therefore, I'd file with the Texas Service Center), correct?

If the above is accurate, then where I get a bit confused is the following: Does the USC need to be physically present in the United States in order to petition and file the aforementioned paperwork? Can the USC be resident in their SO's home country while doing all of this?

If the USC CAN be resident in their SO's home country, then very little has really changed with DCF. The most basic part of DCF that has changed then is that the I-130 needs to be sent to the United States (it seems, in most -- if not all -- cases) instead of a U.S. embassy or consulate within the SO's home country.

If the USC CANNOT be resident in their SO's home country, then that dramatically changes the scope of DCF and practically, if not completely, eliminates it.

So if someone could answer my question ("Can the USC be resident in their SO's home country while petitioning and filing the forms"), I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. smile.gif
John and Sonya
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jan 25 2007, 11:36 AM) *
John and Sonya,

Excellent idea - just when they have new additional work to do to sort out the I-130 mess, load them up further with a batch of B2 visa applications.

Yodrak

QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Also another note, those who think they may get a Tourist VISA now, I contacted the embassy, since you are showing that you are planning to immigrate, the chances are almost non-existed you will qualify for a B-2 VISA. But dont stop from applying or calling.

.....



Actually B-2 VISA's can be handled by the same Embassy that is no longer doing your petition, NOT USCIS. They have nothing to do with B-2. So since the work load have been lightened up for them awhile, and the B-2 process can take <1 week, but regardless, most likely will not get anyway because you have intentions of immigrating obviously. Also this comes from recommendation from USCIS.
Ken_Maria
I asked our Customs and Immigrations Liason about this change. She said it only changes the fact that the consulates and Embassies do not have the capability to do back ground checks on the USC. The UCIS does. This is a combination of the IMBRA and the new Child Protection law sponsored by Mr Walsh. If you have kids or know of a "mail order bride" that has been abused, you would understand the need for this. Like the IMBRA, it will take a few weeks/months for the USCIS to adjust and hire/train more people.
I feel for those at the end of their process having to wait. For those just starting, it will iron itself out before you get to the end. Good luck, Ken

QUOTE(fwaguy @ Jan 23 2007, 07:55 AM) *
This was just posted today on the US Embassy website in Kiev.

I-130 Petitions No Longer Accepted by U.S. Embassies

January 23, 2007

Per Department of State instructions, effective immediately, the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine and U.S. embassies worldwide are no longer authorized to accept or adjudicate I-130 petitions. American Citizens must file petitions for their relatives with the appropriate United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) office in the U.S. Petitioners can check http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-130.pdf to find the appropriate office. Please visit www.uscis.gov for more general information about filing the petition.

Petitions that have already been approved at U.S. Embassy Kyiv but have not yet undergone visa adjudication must be forwarded to the USCIS office in Moscow, Russia. Embassy staff will forward all of these in the coming week.

We will post more information on this matter as soon as it becomes available to us.
Yodrak
DeadPoolX,

Not quite. I-130 is to be submitted to the USCIS office that has jurisdiction over the USC's place of residence. Period. That may well not be in the USA.

To some extent the answer will depend on how each particular international field office defines 'residence'. If an international field office decides that a particular petitioner is not resident in their jurisdiction they will decline the submission and instruct the person to submit to a USCIS service center.

Yodrak

QUOTE(DeadPoolX @ Jan 25 2007, 01:25 PM) *
Okay, so this is how I'm reading the information: The USC needs to petition and file the I-130 with the USCIS office that has jurisdiction over your U.S. place of residence (i.e. my U.S. domicile is in Texas, therefore, I'd file with the Texas Service Center), correct?

.....
Yodrak
John and Sonya,

I was referring to the consulates, not to the USCIS. And the consulates that were processing I-130 are now engaged in sorting out the I-130s they have figuring out what needs to be done with each of them, so their workload has changed a bit but has not yet necessarily decreased. Granted, it may not necessarily have increased, either.

Granted also, some of the new B2 applications that you suggest applying for may not go to the same consulate that was processing the immigrant visa.

Yodrak

QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 01:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jan 25 2007, 11:36 AM) *
John and Sonya,

Excellent idea - just when they have new additional work to do to sort out the I-130 mess, load them up further with a batch of B2 visa applications.

Yodrak

QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Also another note, those who think they may get a Tourist VISA now, I contacted the embassy, since you are showing that you are planning to immigrate, the chances are almost non-existed you will qualify for a B-2 VISA. But dont stop from applying or calling.

.....



Actually B-2 VISA's can be handled by the same Embassy that is no longer doing your petition, NOT USCIS. They have nothing to do with B-2. So since the work load have been lightened up for them awhile, and the B-2 process can take <1 week, but regardless, most likely will not get anyway because you have intentions of immigrating obviously. Also this comes from recommendation from USCIS.

marcycat
Here's a little bit of an update: My husband was scheduled to have his interview on March 28. He got a call from the consulate today, saying the interview is postponed. The paperwork is either being sent to Rome or back to the States -- it's not clear which at the moment. (This might be a language issue between the officer and my husband...) When the sex offender check (and whatever else) is done, the paperwork will go back to Paris and he'll get a new interview date (and interview in Paris.) The officer told him this "could take months."

Basically, they have no idea how long it will take.

The officer told my husband that he's not "really" allowed to come visit me in the States while we're waiting on all of this. But, he can try to come visit as a tourist; there's just a risk they won't let him in when he gets to the passport control. My husband says there's a "50% chance" of getting turned back at the border.

Can anyone tell me: Is it legal or illegal for him to TRY to come see me (as a tourist)?

As for who's to blame: IMO, the politicians and the bureaucrats both screwed up, and it wouldn't have been that hard not to. I feel totally betrayed and think think that just about anybody involves deserves our anger!

As my husband says: The hangover really sucks when you didn't even drink....
payxibka
QUOTE(marcycat @ Jan 25 2007, 02:46 PM) *
Can anyone tell me: Is it legal or illegal for him to TRY to come see me (as a tourist)?


It is not illegal to try
Henia
QUOTE(marcycat @ Jan 25 2007, 03:46 PM) *
Here's a little bit of an update: My husband was scheduled to have his interview on March 28. He got a call from the consulate today, saying the interview is postponed. The paperwork is either being sent to Rome or back to the States -- it's not clear which at the moment. (This might be a language issue between the officer and my husband...) When the sex offender check (and whatever else) is done, the paperwork will go back to Paris and he'll get a new interview date (and interview in Paris.) The officer told him this "could take months."

Basically, they have no idea how long it will take.

The officer told my husband that he's not "really" allowed to come visit me in the States while we're waiting on all of this. But, he can try to come visit as a tourist; there's just a risk they won't let him in when he gets to the passport control. My husband says there's a "50% chance" of getting turned back at the border.

Can anyone tell me: Is it legal or illegal for him to TRY to come see me (as a tourist)?

As for who's to blame: IMO, the politicians and the bureaucrats both screwed up, and it wouldn't have been that hard not to. I feel totally betrayed and think think that just about anybody involves deserves our anger!

As my husband says: The hangover really sucks when you didn't even drink....

Tourist may visit for 90 days or less without needing to obtain a visitors visa from the following countries.: Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and United Kingdom.
So if you are willing to *risk* that 5O% chance of your husband being turned back... then... Really it is up to you. If you are not willing to risk it, could you come visit him? Or just wait... blush.gif

Least your husband has that 5O% chance...many here donnot.


Disclaimer: The above stated is just my opinion based on the tourista visa rules I know of. It is not meant as any advice or legal help.
meauxna
Immigration attorney "Folinskyinla" posted the following AILA memo with information from Condi Rice:

THANK YOU FOLINSKYINLA

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=421608

The text of Condi's cable as per AILA:

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: CVIS, CMGT
SUBJECT: REFERRAL OF ALL I-130 PETITIONS TO USCIS SERVICE
OFFICES FOR ADJUDICATION

REF: 03 STATE 146632

1. Summary: CA and USCIS have completed a thorough analysis of the Adam Walsh Protection act and come to the conclusion that posts must cease accepting or adjudicating any I-130 petition for family-based immigrant status that was not adjudicated by USCIS, and inform any individual wishing to file such a petition that it is necessary to file it with the appropriate USCIS office and refrain from assisting further. This change is effective immediately. In any case in which a post has already accepted an I-130 from a petitioner but has not yet issued a visa, post must forward the petition to the appropriate USCIS overseas office as "not clearly approvable." We are working with USCIS and will provide subsequent guidance on processing I-600 petitions and previously approved I-130 petitions. CA recognizes that this change may cause difficulties and encourages posts to advise their resident American citizen communities that new procedures are in place so that they may plan ahead. End summary.

2. On July 27, 2006, the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act (Adam Walsh Act), Pub. L. No. 109-248, became law. Section 402 of that Act amends INA 204(a)(1) and 101(a)(15)(K), rendering ineligible to file a petition for immigrant status under INA 203(a) (I-130 or I-600), or for nonimmigrant K status (I-129F), any petitioner who has been convicted of a "specified offense against a minor," defined in section 111 of the Adam Walsh Act as an offense involving any of the following:

BEGIN QUOTE

A) An offense (unless committed by a parent or guardian) involving kidnapping.

cool.gif An offense (unless committed by a parent or guardian) involving false imprisonment.

C) Solicitation to engage in sexual conduct.

D) Use in a sexual performance.

E) Solicitation to practice prostitution.

F) Video voyeurism as described in section 1801 of title 18, United States Code.

G) Possession, production, or distribution of child pornography.

H) Criminal sexual conduct involving a minor, or the use of the Internet to facilitate or attempt such conduct.

I) Any conduct that by its nature is a sex offense against a minor.

END QUOTE

Section 402 of the Adam Walsh Act provides that the bar against filing a petition because of such a conviction will not apply if the Secretary of Homeland Security, in his sole and unreviewable discretion, determines that the petitioner poses no risk to the beneficiary.

3. USCIS has provided interim guidance to its adjudicators to search its IBIS database for criminal history record information regarding USPER petitioners in family-based immigrant status cases and K nonimmigrant status cases. If there is an IBIS hit for one of the specified offenses against a minor, the USCIS field office must issue a Request for Evidence for all police arrest records and court disposition documents, and must schedule the petitioner for fingerprinting.

4. Consular officers do not have access to criminal history record information regarding USPER petitioners and therefore are unable to determine whether a petitioner has a conviction for a specified offense against a minor that renders the petitioner ineligible under INA 204(a)(1)(A)(viii) or 204(a)(1)(cool.gif(i)(II) to file a petition. The limited extract information in CLASS downloaded from the FBI's National Crime Information Center relates solely to aliens, and INA 105 provides for the use of such information "for the purpose of determining whether or not a visa applicant or applicant for admission has a criminal history record indexed in any such file."

5. In the absence of access to information that is essential to the determination of whether a petitioner is eligible to file a petition for immigrant status in a family-based classification, consular officers are unable to take any action on an unadjudicated I-130 petition. Rather, posts must advise individuals who seek to file such a petition that they should submit it directly to the appropriate USCIS office. USCIS maintains an office locator page, based on place of residence, on its website at https://egov.immigration.gov/crisgwi...n=offices.type
&OfficeLocator.office_type=OS. In cases in which a post has already accepted an I-130 for filing but has not yet issued an immigrant visa, the consular officer must consider the petition "not clearly approvable" because of the inability to fulfill INA 204(a)(1)'s requirement for a determination of the petitioner's eligibility to file. Pursuant to 9 FAM 42.41 N4.2-3(d) and 8 CFR 204.1(e)(3), posts must forward all such I-130 petitions that petioners filed at post, with all supporting documents, to the appropriate USCIS office. To reiterate, consular officers are no longer authorized to accept or adjudicate I-130 petitions at post under any circumstances. 9 FAM Appendix N 200 is being revised accordingly. We are preparing press guidance, which posts will be able to access at http://intranet.ca.state.gov/PPAffairs/ppaffairs.htm.

6. We are requesting clarification from USCIS regarding the validity, for Adam Walsh Act criminal record check purposes, of the fingerprint clearance procedures at the time of I-600 processing that are specified in Reftel (SOP-21) and 9 FAM 42.21 N13.3(d), as well as the applicability of section 402 of the Adam Walsh Act to petitions for family-based immigrant status or K nonimmigrant status that were approved prior to the act's effective date. Further guidance will follow our receipt of the USCIS clarification.
7. Minimize considered.
RICE
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avoci
QUOTE(DeadPoolX @ Jan 25 2007, 01:25 PM) *
Okay, so this is how I'm reading the information: The USC needs to petition and file the I-130 with the USCIS office that has jurisdiction over your U.S. place of residence (i.e. my U.S. domicile is in Texas, therefore, I'd file with the Texas Service Center), correct?

If the above is accurate, then where I get a bit confused is the following: Does the USC need to be physically present in the United States in order to petition and file the aforementioned paperwork? Can the USC be resident in their SO's home country while doing all of this?

If the USC CAN be resident in their SO's home country, then very little has really changed with DCF. The most basic part of DCF that has changed then is that the I-130 needs to be sent to the United States (it seems, in most -- if not all -- cases) instead of a U.S. embassy or consulate within the SO's home country.

If the USC CANNOT be resident in their SO's home country, then that dramatically changes the scope of DCF and practically, if not completely, eliminates it.

So if someone could answer my question ("Can the USC be resident in their SO's home country while petitioning and filing the forms"), I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. smile.gif



Okay, so I am a US citizen. I filed the I130 DCF in my husband's country (Albania). So, will the I-130 (which WAS approved) now go to Vienna (the USCIS office with jurisdiction over Albania or will it come to the states because that's where I, the petitioner live????
marcycat
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Okay, so I am a US citizen. I filed the I130 DCF in my husband's country (Albania). So, will the I-130 (which WAS approved) now go to Vienna (the USCIS office with jurisdiction over Albania or will it come to the states because that's where I, the petitioner live????
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Avoci - The Paris consulate told my husband that since I reside in the US, our file will be sent to the US. (If I was residing in Paris, our file would go to Rome)
avoci
QUOTE(marcycat @ Jan 25 2007, 06:56 PM) *
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Okay, so I am a US citizen. I filed the I130 DCF in my husband's country (Albania). So, will the I-130 (which WAS approved) now go to Vienna (the USCIS office with jurisdiction over Albania or will it come to the states because that's where I, the petitioner live????


Avoci - The Paris consulate told my husband that since I reside in the US, our file will be sent to the US. (If I was residing in Paris, our file would go to Rome)
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Do you think it makes a differnce (time wise) where it goes??? When do you think I will know for sure? When do u think the files will be sent to the US? In your opinion, how much longer do u think it will make this (already very long) process? Do we have ANY other options?????

Thanks
meauxna
QUOTE(DeadPoolX @ Jan 25 2007, 10:25 AM) *
So if someone could answer my question ("Can the USC be resident in their SO's home country while petitioning and filing the forms"), I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. smile.gif

DPX, I would modify your summary like this:

The USC needs to petition and file the I-130 with the USCIS office that has jurisdiction over your U.S. place of residence (i.e. my U.S. domicile residence is in Texas, therefore, I'd file with the Texas Service Center), correct?

Correct. Or, see the filing instructions for the overseas USCIS Field Office serving your spouse's country. I do not *think* any of them will let you file abroad with not living there, but that may be temporary. SOME Field Offices did accept non-resident petitions in the past.

If the above is accurate, then where I get a bit confused is the following: Does the USC need to be physically present in the United States in order to petition and file the aforementioned paperwork? Can the USC be resident in their SO's home country while doing all of this?

Again, it depends on the type of residency permit you have for the foreign country, and/or how long you have lived there. See the homepage of the Field Office serving your spouse's country.
It IS possible to mail an I-130 from a foreign country to the US Service Center. People in the UK do it all the time.


If the USC CAN be resident in their SO's home country, then very little has really changed with DCF. The most basic part of DCF that has changed then is that the I-130 needs to be sent to the United States (it seems, in most -- if not all -- cases) instead of a U.S. embassy or consulate within the SO's home country.

Very little changes? A LOT changes. By filing in the US, the petition must now go through the NVC, a several month process of pre-visa-application hoo ha. Cases filed overseas were able to skip that. They also skipped the 6 month turnaround for a petition approval.

If the USC CANNOT be resident in their SO's home country, then that dramatically changes the scope of DCF and practically, if not completely, eliminates it.

See above.

The answer to your burning question is: Of course the USC can live abroad! Many people choose this route, with the USC living abroad temporarily. The main considerations are your US employment and any other issues you'd face in completing the I-864.
meauxna

Amy, you are already in the shortest line possible. No one knows where your petition will be sent. Either Rome, Vienna, or the US. No one knows the answers to your timeline questions, including the USCIS workers or the consular staff. Did you read the memo from Sec'y of State Rice posted above?

Your other options are to immediately file an I-130 in the US Service Center and hope that it doesn't mess up your current case or move, as you discussed yesterday.

Your I-130 has to be re-adjudicated, by law, and no one knows how long it will take, or where it will happen. I have been researching this through many avenues for two days now and this is all the information there is.
jpaula
What is the date of Rice's memo?
jpaula
This from my Congressman's office:

> This information comes from a State Department telegram dated January
> 7, 2007 and the relevant text, word for word, is as follows:
>
> "Any case involving an I-130 approved at post after July 27, 2006
> which is still within post's control must be returned to USCIS ... We
> have requested guidance from USCIS on the effect of the Adam Walsh Act
> on I-130 and I-129F
> petitions that were approved prior to its effective date of July 27, 2006.
> At present posts should consider these petitions valid."
meauxna
jpaula, AILA shows the Rice cable dated 1/25/07 on their site: http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=8444
State does not yet have it on their cable/telegram page.

personal speculation:
Anyone who watched the IMBRA implementation should know to not expect to fight this. We have no "rights" to force them into accepting even already-approved petitions.
atp
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 10:57 PM) *
jpaula, AILA shows the Rice cable dated 1/25/07 on their site: http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=8444
State does not yet have it on their cable/telegram page.

personal speculation:
Anyone who watched the IMBRA implementation should know to not expect to fight this. We have no "rights" to force them into accepting even already-approved petitions.


As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he DID but deemed that the Law and its benefits were worth the price. We USCs end up having to bite the bullet and deal with another layer of red tape into what is a slow and disrespectful process.

It shouldn't be this difficult to be able to marry a foreigner and be united with her in your home country.
jpaula
Rice's memo still seems to make a distinction between two sets of cases.

There are those I-130s that have been "accepted":

"In any case in which a post has already accepted an I-130 from a petitioner but has not yet issued a visa, post must forward the petition to the appropriate USCIS overseas office as "not clearly approvable."

Then there are those who have been "previously approved":

"We are working with USCIS and will provide subsequent guidance on processing I-600 petitions and previously approved I-130 petitions."

Which leads me to believe that they have not yet decided what to do with the approved I-130s, making the Jan 7 memo regarding these to be the latest word...for now.

Any objecting opinions?
meauxna
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 05:20 PM) *
As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he DID but deemed that the Law and its benefits were worth the price. We USCs end up having to bite the bullet and deal with another layer of red tape into what is a slow and disrespectful process.

It shouldn't be this difficult to be able to marry a foreigner and be united with her in your home country.

Be realistic now, how could legislators anticipate this fairly minimal ramification that affects a VERY small minority of USCs?

We are not entitled to this method of filing. No one here is being penalized. Everyone here still has the same option that everyone else on VJ has, namely to get in the same US petitioning line as everyone else. No one here is being put through extraordinary difficulty. I understand that it is confusing, and changes plans, but won't it help to maintain some perspective?

Bear in mind that your VJ comrades are waiting in the line that you think is unacceptable.

PS: not disagreeing with you about how it 'should' be.
marcycat
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 07:28 PM) *
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 05:20 PM) *
As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he

Bear in mind that your VJ comrades are waiting in the line that you think is unacceptable.

PS: not disagreeing with you about how it 'should' be.


No, we were waiting in a different line. I would have gotten in the USCIS line back in October if the govt hadn't presented DCF as an option. Now I might be at the back of that line. And the reason the law gets implemented 6 months after it passes is to give the govt time to figure stuff out and not create chaos.
David A.
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 07:28 PM) *
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 05:20 PM) *
As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he DID but deemed that the Law and its benefits were worth the price. We USCs end up having to bite the bullet and deal with another layer of red tape into what is a slow and disrespectful process.

It shouldn't be this difficult to be able to marry a foreigner and be united with her in your home country.

Be realistic now, how could legislators anticipate this fairly minimal ramification that affects a VERY small minority of USCs?

We are not entitled to this method of filing. No one here is being penalized. Everyone here still has the same option that everyone else on VJ has, namely to get in the same US petitioning line as everyone else. No one here is being put through extraordinary difficulty. I understand that it is confusing, and changes plans, but won't it help to maintain some perspective?

Bear in mind that your VJ comrades are waiting in the line that you think is unacceptable.

PS: not disagreeing with you about how it 'should' be.


I agree with Mo. In my own selfish ways I wished things worked out for me because DCF was the quickest route and I was only 4-5 days away from the visa. The advantage has been taken away, but not the fact that you can STILL petition for your spouse or relative. It's not totally over for us.
John and Sonya
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 07:28 PM) *
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 05:20 PM) *
As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he DID but deemed that the Law and its benefits were worth the price. We USCs end up having to bite the bullet and deal with another layer of red tape into what is a slow and disrespectful process.

It shouldn't be this difficult to be able to marry a foreigner and be united with her in your home country.

Be realistic now, how could legislators anticipate this fairly minimal ramification that affects a VERY small minority of USCs?

We are not entitled to this method of filing. No one here is being penalized. Everyone here still has the same option that everyone else on VJ has, namely to get in the same US petitioning line as everyone else. No one here is being put through extraordinary difficulty. I understand that it is confusing, and changes plans, but won't it help to maintain some perspective?

Bear in mind that your VJ comrades are waiting in the line that you think is unacceptable.

PS: not disagreeing with you about how it 'should' be.


You are kidding me with this comment??? We applied in a whole different process. And yes it was quicker, but we did follow proper application procedures. And another thing, you are missing the biggest point of the thousand posts on here. WE ALL HAD APPOINTMENTS AND PAID FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION TO THE EMBASSYS,HOTELS, AND OTHER COSTS. AND FROM THE 23RD TO TODAY, NONE OF US WERE EVEN NOTIFIED THAT OUR APPOINTMENTS ARE CANCELLED! My wife along with 100's of others, were sitting in line, all paper work approved, then told, sorry, here is your money, we cant process your visa, go home. Then they tell us that they dont know what is going to happen to our petitions or how long. So dont even compare. You are on the wrong thread. This thread is to get info on what is going on, because like many, we got nothing from the embassy's, USCIS nor State Department for two days. Thanks to the people on here, at least I know whats going on.

So thanks for your thought. I agree its a wonderful law, but they did not think about the ratifications and should of grandfathered it.
meauxna
John,
it's hard to not reply KMA (figure it out). You're welcome to review my participation AND contributions ANY time you like. I'll be happy to compare them with your own and the others here. Credit again to fwaguy for posting the news first.

Forget it. I know what I've done. Sorry you personally were inconvenienced. I forgot who it's all about (sincerely).
blaaTgirl©
QUOTE(marcycat @ Jan 25 2007, 05:38 PM) *
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 07:28 PM) *
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 05:20 PM) *
As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he

Bear in mind that your VJ comrades are waiting in the line that you think is unacceptable.

PS: not disagreeing with you about how it 'should' be.


No, we were waiting in a different line. I would have gotten in the USCIS line back in October if the govt hadn't presented DCF as an option. Now I might be at the back of that line. And the reason the law gets implemented 6 months after it passes is to give the govt time to figure stuff out and not create chaos.

There are a lot of people in different lines. I would not have gotten married earlier this month if the gov't had put this out there that this was going to happen. Now my husband will not have a place to live because he put in on his lease in November, and half of his belongings are here in the States, including his clothing. We counted on this favor to US citizens and didnt hear boo about it. Now we cant even be reunited when he leaves the UK for Australia. No home, no job, no material posessions. And travelling to Australia is not as feasable for me as it was going to the UK, even for 3 day weekends...
I think we all have a right to be feeling selfish. And I admit, seeing as I have not filed yet and am not sure really if I am gonig to even stay in the US at this point, my frustration level is probably nowhere near someone like David A and his wife. It would have been helpful if the USNIS would have put this law up as a possibe setback on their website way back when. I mean, we do get notice when other laws will be enacted in order for us to begin to comply... (ie, seatbelt laws etc...)
fred langva
My fiance and I were hoping to go the DCF route in New Zealand. Looks like it will be the K1 route now since it is the fastest way - Both of us are terribly distraught. Thanks for the comfort of you all. It's terrible to be in this position but we have only lost at most 4 weeks.

I just wished I found this board in July when we were trying to figure out what to do. We could have been married in November when I went over to see her sad.gif Looks like it will be September now. Maybe the Consulates will process our apps a little faster since the paperwork was almost done sad.gif(
Yodrak
I think you were foolish to say the very least. No one should make plans having such severe ramifications in advance of having a visa in hand, no matter which visa, no matter what variant of the process used to apply for it.

< inappropriate comment deleted >

Yodrak

QUOTE
There are a lot of people in different lines. I would not have gotten married earlier this month if the gov't had put this out there that this was going to happen. Now my husband will not have a place to live because he put in on his lease in November, and half of his belongings are here in the States, including his clothing. We counted on this favor to US citizens and didnt hear boo about it. Now we cant even be reunited when he leaves the UK for Australia. No home, no job, no material posessions. And travelling to Australia is not as feasable for me as it was going to the UK, even for 3 day weekends...
I think we all have a right to be feeling selfish. ...
John and Sonya
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 07:58 PM) *
John,
it's hard to not reply KMA (figure it out). You're welcome to review my participation AND contributions ANY time you like. I'll be happy to compare them with your own and the others here. Credit again to fwaguy for posting the news first.

Forget it. I know what I've done. Sorry you personally were inconvenienced. I forgot who it's all about (sincerely).


Then I appologize, was not aware you are the guru of this site. Please except. You made an irresponsible comment. If you read my post fully, 100's were inconvienced, not a few, not just me. I have no problem waiting in any line, we did, filed, approved, and along with many, got a surprise on VISA day. And your comment is get over it and join everyone else??? Too bad on your VISA interview day, you made plane reservations, then travel 18 hours by train, excited that you are about to bring your wife home, then you are told, sorry, we are going to "inconvience you" and send you home without explanation and leave you wondering whats going.

We will rename the VisaJourney website, the meauxna website. And we will allow you to judge what we should discuss or not discuss. Read the numbers on this post. So your last post gets no credit points for many as any type of contribution. And great that you can spend 2 years on this site helping others, must have alot of free time. But thanks for your contributions that were constructive.
jpaula
Is anyone else getting info from their consulate indicating that a distinction is being made between those I-130s that were approved before July 27th and the rest? I still think the previously approved ones are going ahead, but would like to hear if others are being told the same.
blaaTgirl©
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jan 25 2007, 06:50 PM) *
I think you were foolish to say the very least. No one should make plans having such severe ramifications in advance of having a visa in hand, no matter which visa, no matter what variant of the process used to apply for it.

You have a right to be feeling as stupid as you were acting.

Yodrak
QUOTE
There are a lot of people in different lines. I would not have gotten married earlier this month if the gov't had put this out there that this was going to happen. Now my husband will not have a place to live because he put in on his lease in November, and half of his belongings are here in the States, including his clothing. We counted on this favor to US citizens and didnt hear boo about it. Now we cant even be reunited when he leaves the UK for Australia. No home, no job, no material posessions. And travelling to Australia is not as feasable for me as it was going to the UK, even for 3 day weekends...
I think we all have a right to be feeling selfish. ...


Thanks.
I feel loads better now.
blaaTgirl©
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jan 25 2007, 06:50 PM) *
I think you were foolish to say the very least. No one should make plans having such severe ramifications in advance of having a visa in hand, no matter which visa, no matter what variant of the process used to apply for it.

You have a right to be feeling as stupid as you were acting.

Yodrak
QUOTE
There are a lot of people in different lines. I would not have gotten married earlier this month if the gov't had put this out there that this was going to happen. Now my husband will not have a place to live because he put in on his lease in November, and half of his belongings are here in the States, including his clothing. We counted on this favor to US citizens and didnt hear boo about it. Now we cant even be reunited when he leaves the UK for Australia. No home, no job, no material posessions. And travelling to Australia is not as feasable for me as it was going to the UK, even for 3 day weekends...
I think we all have a right to be feeling selfish. ...


Thanks.
I feel loads better now.

Edit:
We had other circimstances beyond our control forcing him to leave the UK, not just getting a visa. Thanks again for the confidence builder, as if I havent felt like $h!t all day anyway...
blueblue
QUOTE(avoci @ Jan 25 2007, 11:18 AM) *
QUOTE(blueblue @ Jan 25 2007, 04:06 AM) *
FYI - I got this reply from my embassy. It is much more specific regarding I-130s filed as DCF:

The Adam Walsh Act was a surprise to us all. Petitions affected are those filed after July 27, 2006.


Okay, this COULD be good news for me and my husband. We filed and were approved for our I-130 on July 5, 2006. Can you please send the exact link where u saw this info? I didn't see it on the link u sent.

Thank you!


This was not from a link. This is an email reply I received from my embassy when I asked them about our petition that we filed DCF before the 'magic (bean)' date.

If you filed on July 5, it looks like you may be ok too. I would recommend sending an email inquiry to your embassy where you filed the I-130 to make sure.
blueblue
QUOTE(Boiler @ Jan 25 2007, 11:41 AM) *
If you want to blame anyone, blame the people who drafted the Act and the Politicians who voted for it.

They created the mess, they can fix it.

USCIS etc just has to implement it.


I didn't read anywhere in this law that abolished DCF, where did you read that?

This is all in the implementation. With a little effort, I expect they could have come up with a better solution than ending DCF, especially given that they had almost SEVEN months to do it.
payxibka
QUOTE(blueblue @ Jan 25 2007, 11:28 PM) *
QUOTE(Boiler @ Jan 25 2007, 11:41 AM) *
If you want to blame anyone, blame the people who drafted the Act and the Politicians who voted for it.

They created the mess, they can fix it.

USCIS etc just has to implement it.


I didn't read anywhere in this law that abolished DCF, where did you read that?

This is all in the implementation. With a little effort, I expect they could have come up with a better solution than ending DCF, especially given that they had almost SEVEN months to do it.


Law does not abolish DCF but has made it procedurally impossible based on today's processes and capabilities. Can the adjust and re-start accepting petitions? Sure. Will they? Who know.
Boiler
QUOTE(Henia @ Jan 25 2007, 02:56 PM) *
QUOTE(marcycat @ Jan 25 2007, 03:46 PM) *
Here's a little bit of an update: My husband was scheduled to have his interview on March 28. He got a call from the consulate today, saying the interview is postponed. The paperwork is either being sent to Rome or back to the States -- it's not clear which at the moment. (This might be a language issue between the officer and my husband...) When the sex offender check (and whatever else) is done, the paperwork will go back to Paris and he'll get a new interview date (and interview in Paris.) The officer told him this "could take months."

Basically, they have no idea how long it will take.

The officer told my husband that he's not "really" allowed to come visit me in the States while we're waiting on all of this. But, he can try to come visit as a tourist; there's just a risk they won't let him in when he gets to the passport control. My husband says there's a "50% chance" of getting turned back at the border.

Can anyone tell me: Is it legal or illegal for him to TRY to come see me (as a tourist)?

As for who's to blame: IMO, the politicians and the bureaucrats both screwed up, and it wouldn't have been that hard not to. I feel totally betrayed and think think that just about anybody involves deserves our anger!

As my husband says: The hangover really sucks when you didn't even drink....

Tourist may visit for 90 days or less without needing to obtain a visitors visa from the following countries.: Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and United Kingdom.
So if you are willing to *risk* that 5O% chance of your husband being turned back... then... Really it is up to you. If you are not willing to risk it, could you come visit him? Or just wait... blush.gif

Least your husband has that 5O% chance...many here donnot.


Disclaimer: The above stated is just my opinion based on the tourista visa rules I know of. It is not meant as any advice or legal help.



50%?

Where on earth did you get that number from?

I would be surprised if it was anywhere near 5%, but there are no figures.
aussiewench
QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 09:51 PM) *
We will rename the VisaJourney website, the meauxna website. And we will allow you to judge what we should discuss or not discuss. Read the numbers on this post. So your last post gets no credit points for many as any type of contribution. And great that you can spend 2 years on this site helping others, must have alot of free time. But thanks for your contributions that were constructive.

Condescension never wins brownie points John. If not for those that do have knowledge and an understanding that do stick around to HELP others, then many may very well be in stife.
Someone has got to have a clear head when things like this happen. Yes this totally sucks for you and all those that have had interviews cancelled etc and now have to wait longer, but saying about someone like meaxena is beyond comprehension in my book. Lets hope VJ doesn't lose another GURU as they did mdyoung for the same type of condescending, rude attitude.


I wish all dealing with this situation the very best. Hang in there.

Lorelle
The Portfolios
Wow, the posts are piling up here, it's impossible to read them all. I'm catching some info about July 27th 2006 being the magic cutoff date, and so I want to ask:

Our I-130 was filed in Shanghai May 9, 2006, approved in Beijing July 11, 2006. We just had the interview in Guangzhou last week, where we were temporarily denied due to my not having "domicile" in the States. They asked us to come back with evidence of a job/house in America, and said once they saw that they would grant the visa to my wife.

Does it sound like we should still be on track then? I'm going to call anyway of course, but I appreciate the support here.

To everyone who got royally screwed by this, I'm really so sorry, I hope it works out in the end for all of you. Be strong and remember that love conquers bureaucracy every time. smile.gif
John and Sonya
QUOTE(aussiewench @ Jan 26 2007, 12:25 AM) *
QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 09:51 PM) *
We will rename the VisaJourney website, the meauxna website. And we will allow you to judge what we should discuss or not discuss. Read the numbers on this post. So your last post gets no credit points for many as any type of contribution. And great that you can spend 2 years on this site helping others, must have alot of free time. But thanks for your contributions that were constructive.

Condescension never wins brownie points John. If not for those that do have knowledge and an understanding that do stick around to HELP others, then many may very well be in stife.
Someone has got to have a clear head when things like this happen. Yes this totally sucks for you and all those that have had interviews cancelled etc and now have to wait longer, but saying about someone like meaxena is beyond comprehension in my book. Lets hope VJ doesn't lose another GURU as they did mdyoung for the same type of condescending, rude attitude.


I wish all dealing with this situation the very best. Hang in there.

Lorelle


I agree, we are on here to get help and info. His message was to get over it and join the others who had longer waits. Sounds condescending to me and unneccessary. I am on here like everyone else trying to find out what happened to our family VISA. I do not need his BS comments ( or rude comments). And I am so sorry to speak against meaxena, he must be allowed to say whatever he feels. I bow to you and appologize for all of us who need to get over it and stop posting our questions and concerns and just get in line.
koolaidman23
John I understand how upset you must be. I am in the same boat as you (I-130 approved in Rio) except we didnt have an interview date yet. But you are taking your anger out on the wrong people. (Although I believe that Yodrak was completely rude).

I have been in contact with my Senator's office, and tried to contact my consulate, to no avail. The only person who has given me information has been Meauxna. If it were not for him the little hair left on my head would be torn out by now.

If you want to complain, write to your Representative and your two Senators. Tell them what you think of how this law was implemented. I did.
avoci
QUOTE(jpaula @ Jan 25 2007, 09:53 PM) *
Is anyone else getting info from their consulate indicating that a distinction is being made between those I-130s that were approved before July 27th and the rest? I still think the previously approved ones are going ahead, but would like to hear if others are being told the same.


I just received this email today (and we did apply for I130 on July 5:


Dear Amy, for the moment the change of law does not apply to you. But, the case of your husband is still waiting in line to be processed.

Hope you find this information helpful.

Thank you,
Immigrant Visa Unit
U.S. Embassy Tirana, Albania









-----Original Message-----
From: Moonshadow73@aol.com [mailto:Moonshadow73@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:42 PM
To: Tirana US Consulate
Subject: Is this true? How does this affect my case? Do we have to re file? PLEASE help.


My name is Amy Voci. My husband's name is Altin Voci. We sent in packet 3 in the beginning of November and are waiting for an interview.

I just read this information on the internet. Please help me and tell me if this is true. If this is true, what do we do?

This was just posted today on the US Embassy website in Kiev.

I-130 Petitions No Longer Accepted by U.S. Embassies

January 23, 2007

Per Department of State instructions, effective immediately, U.S. embassies worldwide are no longer authorized to accept or adjudicate I-130 petitions. American Citizens must file petitions for their relatives with the appropriate United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) office in the U.S. Petitioners can check http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-130.pdf to find the appropriate office. Please visit www.uscis.gov for more general information about filing the petition.

Petitions that have already been approved at U.S. Embassy but have not yet undergone visa adjudication must be forwarded to the USCIS office. Embassy staff will forward all of these in the coming week.

We will post more information on this matter as soon as it becomes available to us.
avoci
QUOTE(avoci @ Jan 26 2007, 06:06 AM) *
QUOTE(jpaula @ Jan 25 2007, 09:53 PM) *
Is anyone else getting info from their consulate indicating that a distinction is being made between those I-130s that were approved before July 27th and the rest? I still think the previously approved ones are going ahead, but would like to hear if others are being told the same.


I just received this email today (and we did apply for I130 on July 5:


Dear Amy, for the moment the change of law does not apply to you. But, the case of your husband is still waiting in line to be processed.

Hope you find this information helpful.

Thank you,
Immigrant Visa Unit
U.S. Embassy Tirana, Albania



I forwarded this response to Vienna. This was their response:

Dear Amy,

Please be advised that all I-130s that were approved in Tirana but for which
no
immigrant visa has been issued will be sent to DHS/CIS Vienna. Our officer
in
charge had a telecon this morning with the headquarters in Rome and
following
this she has advised all of the Consul Generals in our jurisdiction (which
includes Albania!) to let their staff know that they should begin boxing up
the
cases to send to us. Unfortunately I cannot say how long this will take as
we do
not know how many cases are involved, but our office will be moving as
quickly
as possible on the cases once they arrive.

I wish you all the best and you are always welcome to drop a line and ask
about
your case.

Kind regards,

Meredith Petrnousek, Immigration Assistant








-----Original Message-----
From: Moonshadow73@aol.com [mailto:Moonshadow73@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:42 PM
To: Tirana US Consulate
Subject: Is this true? How does this affect my case? Do we have to re file? PLEASE help.


My name is Amy Voci. My husband's name is Altin Voci. We sent in packet 3 in the beginning of November and are waiting for an interview.

I just read this information on the internet. Please help me and tell me if this is true. If this is true, what do we do?

This was just posted today on the US Embassy website in Kiev.

I-130 Petitions No Longer Accepted by U.S. Embassies

January 23, 2007

Per Department of State instructions, effective immediately, U.S. embassies worldwide are no longer authorized to accept or adjudicate I-130 petitions. American Citizens must file petitions for their relatives with the appropriate United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) office in the U.S. Petitioners can check http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-130.pdf to find the appropriate office. Please visit www.uscis.gov for more general information about filing the petition.

Petitions that have already been approved at U.S. Embassy but have not yet undergone visa adjudication must be forwarded to the USCIS office. Embassy staff will forward all of these in the coming week.

We will post more information on this matter as soon as it becomes available to us.

zyggy
QUOTE(aussiewench @ Jan 26 2007, 01:25 AM) *
QUOTE(John and Sonya @ Jan 25 2007, 09:51 PM) *
We will rename the VisaJourney website, the meauxna website. And we will allow you to judge what we should discuss or not discuss. Read the numbers on this post. So your last post gets no credit points for many as any type of contribution. And great that you can spend 2 years on this site helping others, must have alot of free time. But thanks for your contributions that were constructive.

Condescension never wins brownie points John. If not for those that do have knowledge and an understanding that do stick around to HELP others, then many may very well be in stife.
Someone has got to have a clear head when things like this happen. Yes this totally sucks for you and all those that have had interviews cancelled etc and now have to wait longer, but saying about someone like meaxena is beyond comprehension in my book. Lets hope VJ doesn't lose another GURU as they did mdyoung for the same type of condescending, rude attitude.


I wish all dealing with this situation the very best. Hang in there.

Lorelle



The thing is Lorelle... and I think I can speak for some of the others is that those of us who have contributed for a long period of time disseminating our knowledge of this process, is that we are getting tired of getting beat up every single time we don't pander to someone else's self-serving attitude with the rest of the people piling it on...

I and others continued to post because we care about this community, because we know how imposing it can be and how confusing it can be... but frankly, if the community doesn't appreciate us and the viewpoint and perspective we have, even if it may be a differing viewpoint and perspective that yours, it isn't really rewarding to keep doing it anymore...

More and more, I keep seeing people like Yodrak, meauxna, and myself pilloried by countless numbers of people when we do not parrot to the mob by letting someone know what is really going on and giving a more realistic view for what may be going on... I am getting sick of it...
atp
QUOTE(David A. @ Jan 25 2007, 11:43 PM) *
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jan 25 2007, 07:28 PM) *
QUOTE(atp @ Jan 25 2007, 05:20 PM) *
As it has happened before in the US, the lawmaker/legislator did not think through the whole ramifications, or maybe he DID but deemed that the Law and its benefits were worth the price. We USCs end up having to bite the bullet and deal with another layer of red tape into what is a slow and disrespectful process.

It shouldn't be this difficult to be able to marry a foreigner and be united with her in your home country.

Be realistic now, how could legislators anticipate this fairly minimal ramification that affects a VERY small minority of USCs?

We are not entitled to this method of filing. No one here is being penalized. Everyone here still has the same option that everyone else on VJ has, namely to get in the same US petitioning line as everyone else. No one here is being put through extraordinary difficulty. I understand that it is confusing, and changes plans, but won't it help to maintain some perspective?

Bear in mind that your VJ comrades are waiting in the line that you think is unacceptable.

PS: not disagreeing with you about how it 'should' be.


I agree with Mo. In my own selfish ways I wished things worked out for me because DCF was the quickest route and I was only 4-5 days away from the visa. The advantage has been taken away, but not the fact that you can STILL petition for your spouse or relative. It's not totally over for us.


Meauxna, first let me tell you that I respect very much what you do here in the VJ forums as well as the others who devote their time to help strangers in the difficult processes involving immigration/visas. I read many of your posts and they helped, including your DCF guide. good.gif However, I do not agree with you when you say that we were not entitled to file the I-130 through a consulate in the first place, that they did it as a "favor". If the service is available and permitted by the Dept. of State and USCIS, it is a sanctioned process and an option to the USC that meet its requirements.

I agree with you when you say that the present situation is confusing and that it changes plans, and it certainly helps to not only maintain perspective but also to be pragmatic about the whole situation, which is what I am doing. Now I will decide between the other routes available and there is nothing that I can do now about it, wether I like them or not. However I never said that these other venues are unacceptable, what I did say is that they are a disrespectful process that in my humble opinion shouldn't take so long in keeping families apart. The processes are way better than some years ago, but are far and away from being good. wink.gif This whole situation is a setback in the plans of all the people in the middle of this and they are right to be upset. Of course a USC still has other options, but to those who met the requirements filing the I-130 through a consulate was the process that kept a family apart for the least amount of time. Now I'll join the ranks of my many fellow USCs who are going through K1/K3/CR1/IR1... No problem in that ! But there was no basis for your comparison between who was doing DCF and who wasn't. Anyone who could do a better, faster option would do so.

David A., this is not about being selfish, the people who opted for the DCF and hadn't filed their petitions yet, now are unable to do so, and the ones who did file their I-130's are now waiting for an answer and having to deal with the frustration and anxiety of being in the middle of the process such as you are. There is nothing selfish in this, people had an option available that isn't more and this is affecting them. There is no selfishness in this.

Also, Legislators should take into the consideration the ramifications and impact that their laws will have. Period. Independently of the number of USCs abroad, they were impacted by this law, USCs abroad should've been taken into consideration. Again, maybe the lawmaker did think about all ramifications but decided that the law was worth it, we'll never know. I got the short end of the stick in regard to laws that were rushed before and let me tell you that it sucks big time.

Like John said, good Law, bad implementation.

Meauxna, keep up your good work helping people out. yes.gif

PS - Unbelievably rude comment, Yodrak, shame on you.
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