Are there safe places to travel witin each country? i.e. is the fighting limited to the gaza strip I hear about, or is it dangerous to be anywhere within these two countries because of the constant fighting?

Since when did debate and education become a shouting match? Alot of us arent educated to some of these subjects and are interested to listen and learn give us a break we already know how to fight and put others down, we learned that as children.

And there are Jews who ARE Arab.

awww crap there goes my insta-knowledge abou brazil then

how do we really know that was your husband and not you?


the piranhas will use it against you.

WTF?

Yeah arguing in another language is not right anyway...how can anyone know if the TOS is being violated if the words are made secretive by being typed entirely in a language most people on here cannot read or understand. I have no problem with people writing in their native tongue, but a translation should always follow. And if it is something that "shames" someone, it could be a violation of the TOS.

maybe that's why it was in arabic......

7's are Haa ح and 3's are ayn ع

I think the Arabic was typed to prove a point as far as 'who's more Palestinian', but that's just my take on it.


I do think WOM's analogy about being French was very relevant. omG, did I just agree with WOM?

the more palestinian than thou olympics?

dup

What was said is a violation of the TOS, that's why it was said in Arabic. I offered to take it private, but no takers. I'm not going to be rude and talk in another language here when few understand. There's not even a point in that.



You're right about the Arabic, wrong about the French. Unlike Europeans, Arabs don't cut their ties. Palestinians will always be Palestinian, and we don't stray far from our roots.

Mahmoud doesn't know me from Adam, so he has nothing to go by about my heritage but the comment that offended he and WOM. Some things about me simply aren't known because I don't discuss them publically, so there is no objective way to measure my relationship to Palestine through my own experience or thru my family ties. I'm 4th generation on only one side.

The custom of shaming was mentioned before, but shaming doesn't work well on people you don't know and who don't know you. You got the opportunity to see someone try to shame another one, but that's not what you come here for.

Continue the discussion, if you want. I'm weary of all the fighting over nothing. Anyone desparate for a translation is free to PM me.

Have a great day, all!

wow i saw the title for this forum and thought it might be interesting and like old times it is nothing but a bunch of nonsense.......you know alot of people on here used to bash me all the time, taling about how i was sooo intolerant and when Samir gets here he will be so unhappy because of my christian views, and he has been here 3 mos, not one fight, we get along great, the people at his mosque like me, and we think we might be expecting our first baby. If I would have listened to some of the so called RELIGOUS people on here, who knows what could have happened. I suggest people dont spend too much time on here, as I dont anymore, I have my husband and family, along with work and school, and find that much of what goes on in here is just negative and can bring out the worst in you. There are many so called religous people on here who will not hesatate to bash you and there is no point in even disgussing controversial talks on here because most of the responses you get are either irrational, biased, or prejediced. Why bother over and over disgussing theses kind of issues ( like about Jews for example) when you know that mean things will be said? It isnt productive at all and makes no sense.
Shannon

I agree. It's a wasteland for substantive thought. Glad you're doing well!

totally agree with that above, shannon, and congrats on the baby
i miss seeing you in mena btw.

Aww thank you *hugs* we are not sure yet but I will keep you posted how are things going for you? LOL I dont miss the mena forum that much, but I keep in touch with my freinds VIA phone ect... not thru here

things for me are going great. just made an appointment for nessa to go to the dentist. good thing i have more overtime coming up an a week or two.
i'll have to look and see if i have some baby shower gifs for when you announce the good news.
hope all is well with you and yours.

thanks charles

Can we speak english or is this a system error?

I'm not going to fight with you, but if you're 4th generation American, you are American of Palestinian descent.


I am of Italian descent...I am 3rd generation American, Yet, I know and practice all the Italian traditions, I cook Italian, I look Italian, etc.

But I'm American. And if I got transplanted immediately to Italy, I'm sure there would be visible differences.


Your opinion on Palestine doesn't need to be quantified as 'more valid' because of ancestry.

Well, one difference between you and I is that I wouldn't be a transplant. My great-grandfather came here after losing his home to Israel. He brought his children with him. None of us have stayed away, so I'm not only about practice, cooking and looking. Like I said before, Europeans and Arabs, not interchangable. You talk about leaving your past, we talk about not leaving it.

well i'm apparently gained knowledge about brazil by osmosis since i married nessa

I do speak arabic and I would not have responded to either of those posts. Regardless of whether she speaks arabic or not, that doesn't mean she doesn't know what she is talking about. Secondly, what did you husband write that had anything to do with the situation of Palestine? All I saw was an attempt to shame her, cut her down, and get under her skin.

If SZSZ doesn't understand arabic that that would be the only thing your husband could have possibly proved with those statements. I think asking your husband to come on VJ and cut someone down in Arabic is a pretty low thing to do. Maybe you thought no one else would understand, but its very easy for most to just ask their SO to translate.

I hear ya...



Did you know that Brazil was the only independent colony in the New World that became a Empire, instead of a Republic?

I see alot of Portuguese on another board . . .

I am American, just as you are.

The reasons for emigrating here are superfluous....and if you want to say you're a Palestinian before you're an American, that would technically be incorrect. And I think that was the initial point of WOM and her hubby...

And if you don't consider yourself an American, perhaps your immigration process is going the wrong way

JP, I agree with you.

That was just low and alienating...



You mean, on the Latin America and Caribean board?

ETA: And portuguese is like spanish. We don't even take it too seriously...

Thank you, sis!

I do speak and understand Arabic and that's why I didn't respond. Mahmoud nor WOM know me well enough to decide what I am. So odd that one Palestinian cuts down another for not living there. Hell, many of us don't live there; we're in Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, Lebanon, but we have family there, go there, support our cause on many levels, and wish to have a place there again. I have never heard of such a thing!

But seriously now, when we start a thread, and we know that non-native speakers are reading our thread, we try to keep it in english...

And if someone ask for translation we don't say: "We won't translate it because it will put you to shame"

i agree

Lisa, as usual, you just come by to argue, but I'm not going to argue with you because you also have no basis upon which to determine what I am. WOM and Mahmoud were incorrect and they went out of their way to prove it.

of course i knew that. i learned it by osmosis when i got married!

I know. I enjoy my time reading there.

Oh... I see...




And feel free to post...

Specially on the Brazil's kitchen thread...

And feel free to post...

Specially on the Brazil's kitchen thread...

That's the draw!

There are many generations of Palestinians that have never lived a day in Palestine. That doesn't mean they are any less passionate about the cause. I know so many Palestinians that have never even been to Palestine but they speak arabic, know their roots, support their cause and so forth.

Sorry for butting in...

I have a Palestinian friend who had never lived a day in Palestine (he was born and raised in Jordan). He's very passionate about Palestine. I don't believe you have to actually live somewhere to be passionate about it. I know Italian Americans (my mother's family) who are passionate about Italy but have never even visited the country. Just my two cents.

You just don't tell a Palestinian they're not Palestinian. That's zionist talk. That's what I thought was soooo strange about what WOM and Mahmoud were saying to me. It took me aback coz anyone who knows about the displaced of Palestine knows that's when you do that, you're looking for a fight.

i have to mark today down. wom gets the zionist label thrown back at her

By the way, are we zionists here or anti-zionists?

best to just dig a deep hole when that word starts flying around.

you have both

I don't know...

I don't think anyone here denies the Holocaust, but taking people out of their homes and putting fences between them and your people sounds a little like apartheid....

And I don't think even the original zionists would be happy with what people are doing on its name...

ETA: I am not an anti-zionist, I just good things should not be used as reason to do bad things (i.e. the cruzades...)

zionists to the left, anti-zionist to the right for this wedding.


sometimes fences make good neighbors

Talking about zionism on mixed public forums is like

I know, but I am surprised that no one tried to flame me or anything because of what I said...

Strange....

Not that I was trolling or anything, it is just a tough subject...

Maybe the hotheads are all at a hothead convention

the true cause of global warming........

Or flaming someone else in some other foreign language...