Talk about TMI.

WTF is going on with my PC...?!
Well marriage and divorce are serious matters in Islam. Normally divorce is mutually. In the present day Shariah laws men have only the right to make divorce proceeding. Women have to ask their husband for the right herself or arbitators. But of course not all Muslim countries observe the Shariah. Women have right to ask for divorce under Islam if she being treated ill, not maintained, not sexually satisfied or the husband is sterile. In the Pr. Mohammed (saw)'s time women made divorces all the time.
The divorce interim and waiting time needs to be observed. And they can divorce up to 2x, before not being able to remarry. If they divorce 3x the women needs to marry another man and divorce him in order to remarry the first.




I donnot like rules either, but in this case.. These rules I like... no worries on my part and surprising special requests

I also have no worries because I live in America and I have many rights. Most of this doesn't apply to anyone living in the US, the only thing would be to explain to your future husband that you have rights in America and none of that other stuff applies.

And I thank you for that. It was not for my current situation... I was wondering if I had recourse for the ex, if I were unknowingly cheated!! Now I know. Thank you. And part of it was mere curiosity. Christians are told not to with hold themselves from their spouse, but that is it. I was just wondering what Islam had to say about it. I'm satisfied. Case closed.

True True True gotta love the good ol' U S of A!!!!!


I donnot either, but lets take away ur rights and see what happens in 20 years when the flickering love romance part is gone

hahahahahahahahaha yeah righttttttttttttttt!

YOU of all people WOULD be disappointed... You're not even Mulsim!!

And YOU Doodle just got married so why is the word divorce even coming out of your keyboard?

Yes, it is allowed in fiqh. It's called a "kuhl", and requires that the woman pay back all or part of her mahr or give up the unpaid part. Most women don't like to hear this, but in fiqh, the mahr is a payment for the sexual services of the wife allowed by the nikah. If the husband breaks the contract, the wife keeps the mahr. If she breaks the contract, he gets to have it all or partially returned because she is reneging on her exclusive sexual access for him. That is one of the husband's marital rights.

Also, something you may be interested in; fiqh law also allows wives to require household help. Under fiqh law, a wife is not required to do housework or even raise the children. She is only required to provide sexual services and keep his confidences. Wealthy Muslim families often have such an arrangement.

What do you mean Yeah right??? It's in the Bible.. that's all I was saying.

I know but what I mean is "NOT GONNA HAPPEN", I decide when Oh and Christianity also promotes the idea of only having intercourse for the purpose of having children.

I don't like it when anyone else does the housework. I'd rather have a messy house than have it cleaned by someone else. No one else can do it "right", you know? My mother is constantly trying to get me to use her cleaning lady. She had her clean my house when I had my second daughter. After the second time I went nuts and said no more 'cause everything was all rearranged and I was going crazy!!!

All I can think is 'Desperate Housewives: Amman'..... with a Gabi-style character refusing to clean 'cause that's not in the contract.

Uh no that would be certain sects of Christianity...just like certain sects of Islam promote things that other sects don't agree with. My Pastor speaks about the family and marriage relationship each year in a family series, and some people would be with some of the things he says about sex. It sure ain't only for the purpose of having babies in MY church.

I didn't say it applied to all sects or to yours or mine, but there are sects in Christianity that do promote that.

Hahahhahhhahahahaha sects and sex.

This reminds me of the wife of one of my husband's brothers. She and I were talking one day, and she said what sounded like "I don't like sex." I was sure I hadn't heard her right, and I was like "Excuse me ?" She said it again. Very clearly and precisely. "I don't like sex." Well I was completely confused. She never talks like that.

Then she went on. "I hate them. I always call for Izhaq to come and kill them." I must have had the most confused expression on my face.

Until I finally figured it out. She meant "INsects." She didn't like "INsects."



I will tell the monkeys/donkeys story at another time.



-MK

well i did score 60/60 on that one test

whew. it could have been worse.

O i love that ...too funny

i neeed to add something every media have its negative places, i didnt read the whole threat, but yea the arabic media says jews is killers and they killing arab, but also, american media all time saying arab is terriorest, and everybody ofcourse heard about Newjersy arabic adv

This is how I feel.....but my fiance does not. But I think its more of a lack of education on his part. I feel there are huge errors on both sides of the conflict. The media in the middle east/north africa is so censored... I think he and I have a lot of discussing to do. But I also feel like this topic shouldn't make or break our relationship. There are a lot more political discussions to be had other than whats going on in Israel.

I told my fiance the very first week I met him about my background....I'm half Jewish, half Danish, and American. hahahaha

hmm.. well ive been debating if i should post here or not.

my SO is israeli. im hoping that that fact doesnt put me on a hate list, because after reading a lot of this thread i am worried.

but my so is a moroccan israeli. his culture is very different from mine. and i believe this thread started as what we should discuss with our so

i know that certain things... like the general middle east view on women, and how it differs from america, has been big. surprisingly, im more traditional than he is in a lot of ways. but he loves big familes and more traditional roles for women, so that was something we had to discuss.

also holiday celebrations. may sound trivial, but mizrahi jews (those of middle eastern decent) have a lot of arabic traditions which flavor their celebrations (such as food choice, inclusion of henna, etc). something i am def not used to

obviously we did talk about the palestinian-israeli conflict, since he lives in it, and i did too for a while. luckily we agree. like a previous poster said, that doesnt mean you know what our opinion is.

i would hope that you all know that the MENA also includes israel, and non-arabs. a lot of these posts are a bit offensive. i hope to stay around to learn a lot, but i just thought i would comment. hope this isnt too long...

I love that youa re adding this new perspective to the board. I think its really needed. Thank you for coming !
so your fiance is a mizrahi jew, but from Morocco originally? A friend of mine is Russian-American Jew first generation and is married to a mizrahii jew Israeli citizen. I've learned more from her about Israel than anyting I can read in most american media sources.

I am sorry you were offended by some of the posts here. I am afraid its a hazard of a public forum and I hope you can stand it enough to post the alternative view!

oh you're in for a treat! welcome to mena!

Hello wildroze22 ! Mar7aba -- I also would like to welcome you to the ME/NA forum !

You are correct -- a lot of people don't realize that there are many Middle Eastern Jews (living both inside Israel and out) and that they share many traditions with Muslim Arabs -- language, food, etc. My husband has many friends living in Israel who are Mizrahim.

Again, welcome, and wishing you the best of luck in your visa journey !

Salam/shalom



-MK

welcome. i find there are many, many similarities to muslim and jewish cultures (food, marriage beliefs, and religious) jews and muslims share a lot of the same. we're the same people after all......

Not to open this thread again, with the intention to start trouble. But another very important thing came to my mind about things to talk to your SO about...
Not all, but many ME-NA people I have heard them talking saying o my duaghter will marry so and so... when the child is still young. I know my ex did this, had his nephew in his mind to marry my daughter.... which then and now is out of the question. Sometimes this is said in a funny manner but other times dead serious... what ar eyour thooughts_

Hi Wildroze. I debate whether to post here as well but I read the threads! I am also married to an israeli moroccan jew....