Full Version: Issues you may need to discuss with your MENA SO
He has said many times how we will discuss everything, hopeing i can always remember to do this and not just take off and take care of whatever.
That's an issue with us. I'm so used to taking care of business for myself that I don't think of him before I do things. That has caused a few arguments.
Here's an interesting one... the lovely American custom of "standing in line and waiting your turn" everywhere you go. Not necessarily a customary thing in Egypt.
QUOTE(moody @ Jan 9 2007, 10:40 AM) 
I've been talking to Mohamed lately about getting to the dentist. I explained that dental work is extremely expensive here. He promised he will get to the dentist and get any dental work he may need done prior to coming here. I also told him to get another check up with the doctor. I can get him on my medical, dental and optical plan at work but not until open enrollment in October.
Another thing that MENA men (in general) are big on is "checking in". Even though Mohamed is in Egypt he still wants me to let him know when special occasions (things other than visiting family and friends or shopping..normal stuff) are coming up. Like my concert plans for next month. He expected me to talk to him about it prior to buying the tickets. My ex was like that and so are many MENA men that I know. I know many American women have a problem with this as it seems controlling but I believe it is an issue that needs to be discussed with your MENA men.
Another thing that MENA men (in general) are big on is "checking in". Even though Mohamed is in Egypt he still wants me to let him know when special occasions (things other than visiting family and friends or shopping..normal stuff) are coming up. Like my concert plans for next month. He expected me to talk to him about it prior to buying the tickets. My ex was like that and so are many MENA men that I know. I know many American women have a problem with this as it seems controlling but I believe it is an issue that needs to be discussed with your MENA men.
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Jan 9 2007, 09:11 AM)
Before Mohammed came to America, I suggested he see his eye doctor and dentist. He paid $50 there for a nice pair of glasses and exam. The same glasses here he saw at Sears and they would have been over $300 with exam. Same with dentists, it is much cheaper in the ME.
Jackie
Or was the topic of this thread 'I am more palestinian than you'. ? If that was the purpose, then I apoligize for hijacking it with trivial issues.
Jackie
Or was the topic of this thread 'I am more palestinian than you'. ? If that was the purpose, then I apoligize for hijacking it with trivial issues.
normally you can add him as a "change of status" and not have to wait for open enrollment. I'd double check with your HR on that.
I think the prices also, wont be like he can stand there and argue down the price and i was thinking how about the all you can eat places. I'm not sure how avail they are over there now, I know i only saw that one in the hotel in Casa besides being all new foods for him.
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Jan 9 2007, 06:59 AM)
Then what was it? I'm confused. What issues did the OP intend on discussing?
carry on. (is that like 'permission' to continue?) gee thanks.
Jackie
carry on. (is that like 'permission' to continue?) gee thanks.
Jackie
Cultural Issues
Issues of dress:
Will he expect you to dress a certain way, ie usually more conservative than you might be used to.
Likewise, will he listen when you have advise, ie his jeans are way too tights.
Will he expect you to dress a certain way, ie usually more conservative than you might be used to.
Likewise, will he listen when you have advise, ie his jeans are way too tights.
QUOTE(rahma @ Jan 9 2007, 09:57 AM)
Issues of dress:
Will he expect you to dress a certain way, ie usually more conservative than you might be used to.
Likewise, will he listen when you have advise, ie his jeans are way too tights.
Will he expect you to dress a certain way, ie usually more conservative than you might be used to.
Likewise, will he listen when you have advise, ie his jeans are way too tights.
haha I hope most men aren't wearing jeans that are too tight! That made me laugh.
Hicham never tried to change the things I wear or advise me against wearing something. I don't dress in provocative clothing and am a jeans/sweats/shirt/sweater/sweatshirt girl oh and don't forget the Uggs.
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Jan 9 2007, 11:39 AM)
QUOTE(moody @ Jan 9 2007, 10:40 AM)
I've been talking to Mohamed lately about getting to the dentist. I explained that dental work is extremely expensive here. He promised he will get to the dentist and get any dental work he may need done prior to coming here. I also told him to get another check up with the doctor. I can get him on my medical, dental and optical plan at work but not until open enrollment in October.
Another thing that MENA men (in general) are big on is "checking in". Even though Mohamed is in Egypt he still wants me to let him know when special occasions (things other than visiting family and friends or shopping..normal stuff) are coming up. Like my concert plans for next month. He expected me to talk to him about it prior to buying the tickets. My ex was like that and so are many MENA men that I know. I know many American women have a problem with this as it seems controlling but I believe it is an issue that needs to be discussed with your MENA men.
Another thing that MENA men (in general) are big on is "checking in". Even though Mohamed is in Egypt he still wants me to let him know when special occasions (things other than visiting family and friends or shopping..normal stuff) are coming up. Like my concert plans for next month. He expected me to talk to him about it prior to buying the tickets. My ex was like that and so are many MENA men that I know. I know many American women have a problem with this as it seems controlling but I believe it is an issue that needs to be discussed with your MENA men.
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Jan 9 2007, 09:11 AM)
Before Mohammed came to America, I suggested he see his eye doctor and dentist. He paid $50 there for a nice pair of glasses and exam. The same glasses here he saw at Sears and they would have been over $300 with exam. Same with dentists, it is much cheaper in the ME.
Jackie
Or was the topic of this thread 'I am more palestinian than you'. ? If that was the purpose, then I apoligize for hijacking it with trivial issues.
Jackie
Or was the topic of this thread 'I am more palestinian than you'. ? If that was the purpose, then I apoligize for hijacking it with trivial issues.
normally you can add him as a "change of status" and not have to wait for open enrollment. I'd double check with your HR on that.
some people have had difficulty adding a spouse to insurance once they move to the US if they are already married. In other words, you have been married for some time, and the spouse moving to the US is not a "qualifying event".
Absolutely rediculous, but better to question this if you have married overseas if they will give you grief later on.
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Jan 9 2007, 10:39 AM)
normally you can add him as a "change of status" and not have to wait for open enrollment. I'd double check with your HR on that.
good point - i jumped that hurdle already.
Szsz,
Here are just a few of the accusations you've made about me in this thread:
Now. Where have I said *any* of these things ? Are you hearing voices in your head ?
Post the quotes – not just your own imagined version of what you “think” I said, or what you want people to believe that I said. That don’t cut it. Let’s see the quotes. You’ve made a lot of claims. Now back ‘em up.
Remember: No quotes = voices in your head.
Secondly, let’s look at some of your own remarks.
Nope. That's what YOU claim that I think “validates” my opinion. You claim it here:
and here:
Now, I’m not sure why anyone should have to “validate” one’s opinion, anyway. But I’ve already explained what I base my opinions on – my *own* experience.
I never claimed to be Palestinian “by proxy” or “by marriage” – that’s really a ridiculous tactic for you to stoop to, Szsz. I mentioned my husband (and his family) because -- if you even remember -- you specifically ASKED about whether ME/NA couples were in agreement in your original question.
But when I answered your question, you flipped out, saying it was some kind of personal attack on you (?!) and flung your “I’m not just married to one” comment. So I responded that my husband and his family (who are also all Palestinian, born and raised in the West Bank) are in agreement with what I wrote. This drove you into a virtual frenzy of bitter accusations that I had somehow “demeaned” you by even mentioning this, although you continually repeat that your own Palestinian heritage is "validation" for your own comments.
Well. As you should have realized by now, I certainly do have my own extensive personal experience in Palestine, as well as rather advanced knowledge of Palestinian history and culture and the specifics of the conflict there.
I don’t know… maybe that’s what really bothers you here -- that I DO have actual experience in this. Maybe that’s why you spent so much time (and typing) trying to muddy the waters with childish insults and accusing me of making outrageous statements that I never actually said.
Anyway, I already made the point about why I feel well-qualified, on my own merit, to speak up about Palestinian issues here:
It’s yet another point that you *pointedly* choose to ignore.
Of course I don’t anticipate that you will address anything that I’ve actually said, Szsz. I fully expect you to cling to your strange alternate reality of what you keep insisting I said, how it was such a terrible personal attack on you that I expressed my perfectly honest response to your original question in a way that you didn’t happen to like, how I've demeaned Palestinians in exile and denied them their right of return, and on and on and on. You're trippin baddd.
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Here are just a few of the accusations you've made about me in this thread:
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 12:45 AM)
I'll be damned if I will stay put for someone to slam me and my heritage because, without knowing much about me, they assume they're more Palestinian than I am because of their marriage, so their opinion has more weight than others.
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 01:19 AM)
One thing that every Palestinian with their heart in Palestine wants is the right of return. One thing you should never do is question the legitimacy of a displaced people who have lost their home thru an injustice.
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 01:23 AM)
You brought it up by asserting authority thru marriage, thenm by trying to diminish me thru trying to diminish my place in the world as a Palestinian. You show little understanding of a displaced people when you do that, and you do another injustice.
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 01:37 AM)
It also surprises me that you don't know better than to tell a Palestinian who isn't currently in Palestine that they're lesser than those who are. That's lesson number 1.
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 02:03 AM)
You pulled the heritage card first in your post after you came at me. You know, I only posted my comment at the request of peezy and those who wished to discuss the comment. I should have known someone would make a big deal out of it. I'm surprised it was you.
I responded because it's clear to me that you wanted to corner the market on who is more Palestinian. Then, you made that clear by trying to put me down as less Palestinian than you and Mahmoud by comparing me to your French heritage.
I responded because it's clear to me that you wanted to corner the market on who is more Palestinian. Then, you made that clear by trying to put me down as less Palestinian than you and Mahmoud by comparing me to your French heritage.
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 05:34 AM)
there is no reason for a pissing contest about how "real Palestinians" got to stay and suffer, while others lost everything, were forced to move, and therefore, their heritage is moot. That is simply another form of oppression.
Now. Where have I said *any* of these things ? Are you hearing voices in your head ?
Post the quotes – not just your own imagined version of what you “think” I said, or what you want people to believe that I said. That don’t cut it. Let’s see the quotes. You’ve made a lot of claims. Now back ‘em up.
Remember: No quotes = voices in your head.
Secondly, let’s look at some of your own remarks.
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 07:19 PM)
As far as WOM goes, she was trying to make the point that her HUSBAND'S nationality validated her opinion.
Nope. That's what YOU claim that I think “validates” my opinion. You claim it here:
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 12:07 AM)
I AM Palestinian, as is my family; I'm not just married to one.
and here:
QUOTE(Green-eyed girl @ Jan 8 2007, 12:36 AM)
The fact is, marrying a Palestinian doesn't make you an expert on Palestinians. I have family too, but I'm not going to go into some pissing contest with your pride to prove who is more Palestinian than whom.
I would win, I assure you. I am not Palestinian by injection, and I wouldn't be less Palestinian by divorce.
I would win, I assure you. I am not Palestinian by injection, and I wouldn't be less Palestinian by divorce.
Now, I’m not sure why anyone should have to “validate” one’s opinion, anyway. But I’ve already explained what I base my opinions on – my *own* experience.
I never claimed to be Palestinian “by proxy” or “by marriage” – that’s really a ridiculous tactic for you to stoop to, Szsz. I mentioned my husband (and his family) because -- if you even remember -- you specifically ASKED about whether ME/NA couples were in agreement in your original question.
But when I answered your question, you flipped out, saying it was some kind of personal attack on you (?!) and flung your “I’m not just married to one” comment. So I responded that my husband and his family (who are also all Palestinian, born and raised in the West Bank) are in agreement with what I wrote. This drove you into a virtual frenzy of bitter accusations that I had somehow “demeaned” you by even mentioning this, although you continually repeat that your own Palestinian heritage is "validation" for your own comments.
Well. As you should have realized by now, I certainly do have my own extensive personal experience in Palestine, as well as rather advanced knowledge of Palestinian history and culture and the specifics of the conflict there.
I don’t know… maybe that’s what really bothers you here -- that I DO have actual experience in this. Maybe that’s why you spent so much time (and typing) trying to muddy the waters with childish insults and accusing me of making outrageous statements that I never actually said.
Anyway, I already made the point about why I feel well-qualified, on my own merit, to speak up about Palestinian issues here:
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 8 2007, 03:44 PM)
I have never claimed to be the "definitive expert" on all things Palestinian. But I do have extensive personal experience in Palestine, which I’ve cited many times here on VJ. Your attempt here to shut me down on the basis of my ethnicity is simply the tactic of a bigot. I've spent years studying the history and politics of this particular area, and years travelling to the West Bank (as well as Jordan) -- and all this began long before I ever met my husband. I've personally worked in both the media and in human rights in Palestine, I’ve written extensively on the matter, I've worked inside the camps, and I have direct experience with the issues of the conflict. I've been there and seen it with my own eyes, and yes, during some of the very worst of hostilities. Even the "divorce" that you so casually insert into your argument could not erase all this knowledge and experience.
It’s yet another point that you *pointedly* choose to ignore.
Of course I don’t anticipate that you will address anything that I’ve actually said, Szsz. I fully expect you to cling to your strange alternate reality of what you keep insisting I said, how it was such a terrible personal attack on you that I expressed my perfectly honest response to your original question in a way that you didn’t happen to like, how I've demeaned Palestinians in exile and denied them their right of return, and on and on and on. You're trippin baddd.
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
oh crap here we go again.
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
The difference is, szsz made crap up that WOM didn't say.
If you can't read arabic, unfortunately, you can't understand what she meant by shame. It's not some grave shame you might be thinking of, and the post in arabic certainly wasn't what I'd consder to be shameful. It asked questions from one Palestinian to another.
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
Christina,
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
And it was going so good 
QUOTE(Gupt @ Jan 9 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
Christina,
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
lol...I can catch a word here and there, like pagal hai, aapko, Hindi etc. But I have no idea overall.
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 9 2007, 11:45 AM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
The difference is, szsz made crap up that WOM didn't say.
If you can't read arabic, unfortunately, you can't understand what she meant by shame. It's not some grave shame you might be thinking of, and the post in arabic certainly wasn't what I'd consder to be shameful. It asked questions from one Palestinian to another.
Regardless of their argument which I could care less about, the statement her husband made in arabic was shameful. Any form of shame is bad. People just don't do that in the Arab world to people they hardley know or don't know unless they want to insult them or start a fight. Maybe you wouldn't consider it shameful but an Arab would. It was not just simple questions.
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:56 PM)
QUOTE(Gupt @ Jan 9 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
Christina,
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
lol...I can catch a word here and there, like pagal hai, aapko, Hindi etc. But I have no idea overall.
How about 'Arabi' and 'Arabiyo'? Cmon make a wild guess.
QUOTE(Gupt @ Jan 9 2007, 01:50 PM)
Christina,
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
ja sind diese madchen verruckt!
QUOTE(Gupt @ Jan 9 2007, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:56 PM)
QUOTE(Gupt @ Jan 9 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
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But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
Christina,
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
lol...I can catch a word here and there, like pagal hai, aapko, Hindi etc. But I have no idea overall.
How about 'Arabi' and 'Arabiyo'? Cmon make a wild guess.
Yes yes I got that...But the rest?? lol
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Jan 9 2007, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE(Gupt @ Jan 9 2007, 01:50 PM)
Christina,
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
Ab mai aapko Hindi mei likhunga. Yeh Arabi log sab saale pagal hai. Sharmindagi ki baat Arabi mei karna chaahte hai, koi baat nahi... hum bhi ab Hindi mei in saale pagal Arabiyo ko sharminda karenge.
ja sind diese madchen verruckt!
Oye chupbe! Dikhta nai mei in Arabi pagalo se baat kar raha hoon?
c'mon peeps i got 45 minutes to kill here.....kick it up another notch will ya???
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Jan 9 2007, 03:15 PM)
c'mon peeps i got 45 minutes to kill here.....kick it up another notch will ya???
People are either busy, or secretly called a truce.
Maybe they are taking a breather. I have a feeling it's not really over yet...hopefully it is though! QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:28 PM)
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Jan 9 2007, 03:15 PM)
c'mon peeps i got 45 minutes to kill here.....kick it up another notch will ya???
People are either busy, or secretly called a truce.
Maybe they are taking a breather. I have a feeling it's not really over yet...hopefully it is though!i'm betting on the latter.
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 9 2007, 02:57 PM)
Regardless of their argument which I could care less about, the statement her husband made in arabic was shameful. Any form of shame is bad. People just don't do that in the Arab world to people they hardley know or don't know unless they want to insult them or start a fight. Maybe you wouldn't consider it shameful but an Arab would. It was not just simple questions.
szsz's posts aren't made to shame anyone? Please, that doesn't stand the wimpiest of b.s. tests. Mahmoud's posts are being taken in a vaccum, and are little to do with the problem in this thread. If anything, he didn't want to "shame" her by posting in English, exactly because he is arab. She doesn't hesitate to sahme, argue, or fight with anyone in English for all to see. One can't claim to be shamed as an arab all the while posting deliberate spin and truthiness meant to shame others, and then expect not to be called on it.
By the way, it was szsz who questioned WOMs credibility, so Mahmoud jumped in.
Guess i'll be screamed at but really 16 pages again, maybe the whole group should be in shame of alot of things, me included. Hows that doodle within the 45 min frame? 
QUOTE(brnidokiegurl @ Jan 9 2007, 03:45 PM)
Guess i'll be screamed at but really 16 pages again, maybe the whole group should be in shame of alot of things, me included. Hows that doodle within the 45 min frame?
13 more minutes to go.
OHHHHH geezz then hows the weather where u are today
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
If anything, he didn't want to "shame" her by posting in English, exactly because he is arab.
which matters about as much as a fart in a tornado, as it has been noted already that one just needs to ask their mena SO for a translation.
QUOTE(brnidokiegurl @ Jan 9 2007, 03:49 PM)
OHHHHH geezz then hows the weather where u are today
freezing after a long period of it being in the 50's and 60's!!! brrrrr. Though I'm having hot flashes right now for some strange reason. They started yesterday. I think that's what they are anyways since all of a sudden I'm wicked hot sitting here in my office.
roflmaooooooooooooo @ the fart in a tornado comment Charles.
Yea good one although the question, how would u ever know it happened within a tornado?
Maybe kinda like alot of things here alot of hot wind blowing. Ok done now, is your time up yet?(kidding)
Maybe kinda like alot of things here alot of hot wind blowing. Ok done now, is your time up yet?(kidding)
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 9 2007, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 9 2007, 02:57 PM)
Regardless of their argument which I could care less about, the statement her husband made in arabic was shameful. Any form of shame is bad. People just don't do that in the Arab world to people they hardley know or don't know unless they want to insult them or start a fight. Maybe you wouldn't consider it shameful but an Arab would. It was not just simple questions.
szsz's posts aren't made to shame anyone? Please, that doesn't stand the wimpiest of b.s. tests. Mahmoud's posts are being taken in a vaccum, and are little to do with the problem in this thread. If anything, he didn't want to "shame" her by posting in English, exactly because he is arab. She doesn't hesitate to sahme, argue, or fight with anyone in English for all to see. One can't claim to be shamed as an arab all the while posting deliberate spin and truthiness meant to shame others, and then expect not to be called on it.
By the way, it was szsz who questioned WOMs credibility, so Mahmoud jumped in.
Was I defending szsz? Nope, I could care less about their arguement as stated, I was just disputing the statement where you said it was nothing but a bunch of questions which is incorrect.
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 9 2007, 02:48 PM)
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 9 2007, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 9 2007, 02:57 PM)
Regardless of their argument which I could care less about, the statement her husband made in arabic was shameful. Any form of shame is bad. People just don't do that in the Arab world to people they hardley know or don't know unless they want to insult them or start a fight. Maybe you wouldn't consider it shameful but an Arab would. It was not just simple questions.
szsz's posts aren't made to shame anyone? Please, that doesn't stand the wimpiest of b.s. tests. Mahmoud's posts are being taken in a vaccum, and are little to do with the problem in this thread. If anything, he didn't want to "shame" her by posting in English, exactly because he is arab. She doesn't hesitate to sahme, argue, or fight with anyone in English for all to see. One can't claim to be shamed as an arab all the while posting deliberate spin and truthiness meant to shame others, and then expect not to be called on it.
By the way, it was szsz who questioned WOMs credibility, so Mahmoud jumped in.
Was I defending szsz? Nope, I could care less about their arguement as stated, I was just disputing the statement where you said it was nothing but a bunch of questions which is incorrect.
Mahmoud's posts weren't a bunch of questions; they were a bunch of jabs about his perceptions of my heritage, my thinking processes, my feelings about Arabs, and accusations that I know nothing of Palestine or Arabic, not that I ever say much about either here. The man doesn't even know me and knows little about me. I have never spoken to him before in any capacity.
JP's attempts to explain the shaming dynamic are much appreciated. It is true that shaming doesn't work on people you don't know and I don't know Mahmoud, so his attempt to shame me didn't work. I did openly invite he and WOM to PM me to discuss their complaints privately in Arabic, if they so choose. That was the honorable thing to do, but I never heard from either of them. So much for that.
So, for me, this dispute is history and, other than to explain my posture regarding it, I am utterly apathetic. Please, let's all become apathetic about it and move on.
Am I seeing things? 
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 10 2007, 12:18 AM)
Am I seeing things?
JESUS H. TAPDANCING CHRIST!!
Wasn't this thread closed???
I emailed Ewok to explain why the thread was closed and he unlocked it.
QUOTE(Reynaldo @ Jan 9 2007, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 10 2007, 12:18 AM)
Am I seeing things?
JESUS H. TAPDANCING CHRIST!!
Wasn't this thread closed???
Yes, yes it was.
I'm a little spooked.
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 10 2007, 12:23 AM)
I emailed Ewok to explain why the thread was closed and he unlocked it.
Why did he close it?
He didn't reply to me, the next thing I know, it was unlocked.
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 9 2007, 03:57 PM)
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 9 2007, 11:45 AM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
....
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
The difference is, szsz made crap up that WOM didn't say.
If you can't read arabic, unfortunately, you can't understand what she meant by shame. It's not some grave shame you might be thinking of, and the post in arabic certainly wasn't what I'd consder to be shameful. It asked questions from one Palestinian to another.
Regardless of their argument which I could care less about, the statement her husband made in arabic was shameful. Any form of shame is bad. People just don't do that in the Arab world to people they hardley know or don't know unless they want to insult them or start a fight. Maybe you wouldn't consider it shameful but an Arab would. It was not just simple questions.
jordanianprincess... mar7aba ..kefek ? mahmoud eli bektob aw be7ki fi ala7ar .awal shi ya princess ..eli beglat 3la zawjati .ya3ni howa 3am yelat 3lay ana kaman ..wa benafs al waket ana ma egletet 3lehawla zawjati ..heyah eli badat ma3 zawjati ..wi la3lmek ya princess .ZS ma bet3raf 3an falasteen ay ashi .wa alm3lomat eli 3end zawjati 3an falasteen akthar menek wa menah..ba3deen fi mathal 3rabi be7ki .(7bal alketheb ekseerah_wa eli mashi tareek alketheb 7ta law kan falasteeni ma beshrefni eno ykon falasteeni .liano alkthabeen ana fi alasel bakrahom ktheer...t3ali a7keelek ..sho ft3raf zs 3an falasteen ...wla eshi .bas bet7eb twrji 7alha enha bt3ref eshi . wa heya ma bt3raf thelth althlatheh.. ZS..ba3deen ta3ali 3la almokhyamat ..wra7 etshofi kef al7yah honak...khleeha tet3lam sho ya3ni falasteen.....ba3deen ana 7keet alwake3 ...ana 3rabi wa beshrfni eni akon 3rabi ..bas besharaf wa krameh wa alsedek...wa eli ma 3ndoh hdool alashya"a ma beshrfni eni a7ki ma3ha aw ab3thelha 3la alkhas .ba3deen etha hey bet7i eno e7na bedna enbahdelha aw ne3mal eshi 3atel 3anha ...kan kont katabet fi alengleezi mesh fi al3arabi ...hada alshi beth bet ani me badi tetbhdal ...mesh zayha ...geltat 3la zawjati kodam kol almojoodeen fi almoke3.. wa yareet eno kan 7keeha sa7ee7 ...bi al3ks ..koloh mbni 3la alketheb.ba3deen leesh enti betdaf3i 3anha..betkrablek? wela sho?ana ba7eb al3adel ...eza kan elha 7ak ra7 tokhtho...bas ma elha 7ak ..wi esali kol elmojodeeen ..ba3deen enti ekrai alklam mazboot ..mesh 3shan sa7btek ma te7ki alsa7ee7...ba3deen heya bet7awel t3mal 7alha enha eshi ekbeer 3la 7sab zawjati ..bas al3kas hwa alsa7ee7..fi alakher ..zawjati bet7eb falasteen wa falasteen betftakher bzawjati ba3deen jawjati bet3raf falasteen kabel la at3raf 3leeha fi alasel .wa bt3raf 3an falasteen ashya'a ana ma ba3rfha ..ba3deen 3la alakal heya zarat falasteen .mesh methel eli bo7ko 3an 7alhom falasteenieh ..ma be3rafo 3rabi..hahaha. fi alakher ..ay shi heya betkoloh ..ana mesh ra7 asdkoh ..wi ma ba7eb a7ki ma3 nas kthabeen ....salam ..mahmoud
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 08:19 PM)
jordanianprincess... mar7aba ..kefek ? mahmoud eli bektob aw be7ki fi ala7ar .awal shi ya princess ..eli beglat 3la zawjati .ya3ni howa 3am yelat 3lay ana kaman ..wa benafs al waket ana ma egletet 3lehawla zawjati ..heyah eli badat ma3 zawjati ..wi la3lmek ya princess .ZS ma bet3raf 3an falasteen ay ashi .wa alm3lomat eli 3end zawjati 3an falasteen akthar menek wa menah..ba3deen fi mathal 3rabi be7ki .(7bal alketheb ekseerah_wa eli mashi tareek alketheb 7ta law kan falasteeni ma beshrefni eno ykon falasteeni .liano alkthabeen ana fi alasel bakrahom ktheer...t3ali a7keelek ..sho ft3raf zs 3an falasteen ...wla eshi .bas bet7eb twrji 7alha enha bt3ref eshi . wa heya ma bt3raf thelth althlatheh.. ZS..ba3deen ta3ali 3la almokhyamat ..wra7 etshofi kef al7yah honak...khleeha tet3lam sho ya3ni falasteen.....ba3deen ana 7keet alwake3 ...ana 3rabi wa beshrfni eni akon 3rabi ..bas besharaf wa krameh wa alsedek...wa eli ma 3ndoh hdool alashya"a ma beshrfni eni a7ki ma3ha aw ab3thelha 3la alkhas .ba3deen etha hey bet7i eno e7na bedna enbahdelha aw ne3mal eshi 3atel 3anha ...kan kont katabet fi alengleezi mesh fi al3arabi ...hada alshi beth bet ani me badi tetbhdal ...mesh zayha ...geltat 3la zawjati kodam kol almojoodeen fi almoke3.. wa yareet eno kan 7keeha sa7ee7 ...bi al3ks ..koloh mbni 3la alketheb.ba3deen leesh enti betdaf3i 3anha..betkrablek? wela sho?ana ba7eb al3adel ...eza kan elha 7ak ra7 tokhtho...bas ma elha 7ak ..wi esali kol elmojodeeen ..ba3deen enti ekrai alklam mazboot ..mesh 3shan sa7btek ma te7ki alsa7ee7...ba3deen heya bet7awel t3mal 7alha enha eshi ekbeer 3la 7sab zawjati ..bas al3kas hwa alsa7ee7..fi alakher ..zawjati bet7eb falasteen wa falasteen betftakher bzawjati ba3deen jawjati bet3raf falasteen kabel la at3raf 3leeha fi alasel .wa bt3raf 3an falasteen ashya'a ana ma ba3rfha ..ba3deen 3la alakal heya zarat falasteen .mesh methel eli bo7ko 3an 7alhom falasteenieh ..ma be3rafo 3rabi..hahaha. fi alakher ..ay shi heya betkoloh ..ana mesh ra7 asdkoh ..wi ma ba7eb a7ki ma3 nas kthabeen ....salam ..mahmoud
sayed mahmoud el visa journey aslan lalbanat we el shabab ele b7ko we btena2asho 3n kol eshe bma feh el 2omor el syaseyeh we el denyeh ,we e7na bn7tarem el nas ele fe falasteen b7arbo honak bas el nekash marat beseer yza3el we 3shan heek law kol wa7deh bedha tnade zojha bseer mashakel ,kan mn el 2a7san law zojtak khalat el nekash benha we been el bent el tanyeh 3shan ma yseer mashakel we dal nekash 3adi we ma ykbar mtl ma sar hala . we ana ma bt7ayaz la nas bs ba7awel ahade el moshkeleh mish aktar . we law el bent el tanyeh 7akat la zojha btseer akbar kman we heyeh talbat eno ma yseer 7ake 2odam el kol 3shan ma tkbar el moshkeleh we 7ta law heye ma btoktob 3arabi fa el mawjodeen befhamo 3arabi .we e7na kona n7awel nhadi el moshkeleh ma nkaberha. kaberha btekbar we za'3erha btez'3ar..m3 el ma7abeh we el 27teram la kol el sha3b el falastene elebe7arbo honak we enshalah alah bewafegko...salamz, jordanianprincess
Here's an issue that just came up within the last hour.
We were at the doctor's office and two army personnel were there also to get flu shots. Anyways my husband seen his Iraqi friend and his wife and went to talk to them and they spoke arabic. We left the doctor's office and one of the Army guys came out after us . He asked my husband if he spoke arabic and my husband said yes. Anyways he was trying to recruit him to be a translator. I was like I don't think so! I just got my husband here. Anyways he gave us his card. So your spouse may at one point try to get recruited as a translator.
We were at the doctor's office and two army personnel were there also to get flu shots. Anyways my husband seen his Iraqi friend and his wife and went to talk to them and they spoke arabic. We left the doctor's office and one of the Army guys came out after us . He asked my husband if he spoke arabic and my husband said yes. Anyways he was trying to recruit him to be a translator. I was like I don't think so! I just got my husband here. Anyways he gave us his card. So your spouse may at one point try to get recruited as a translator.
I wish I knew what sound 2, 3 and 7 make. 
Mohammed has been approached several times over the last 2 years. They said they would pay $130k a year, but he would have to go to Iraq. uh....no.
Jackie
Jackie
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Jan 10 2007, 06:56 PM)
I wish I knew what sound 2, 3 and 7 make.
The 2 stands for hamza in the middle of a word. Holy Qur'an will be Qur2an
The 3 is the first letter of the name Abdullah.
The 7 is the first letter of the name Hamad, Habebe 7 is a H
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Jan 10 2007, 06:58 PM)
Mohammed has been approached several times over the last 2 years. They said they would pay $130k a year, but he would have to go to Iraq. uh....no.
Jackie
Jackie
Yeah i was thinking heck no! If I was all about money I'll let him go work for the railroad as an engineer and be gone a lot, but at least I would know where he was. They are looking for people who speak arabic and farsi.
Just to clear up a few misconceptions around here --
I’ve never asked my husband to make any remarks on VJ on my behalf. *SHEESH* -- for crying out loud -- as anyone around here should know (at least if they’ve been around VJ for more than a heartbeat) I’ve managed to handle quite a few rugged debates on this board, all by my little lonesome.
And it’s not the first time I’ve been personally attacked in a repulsive manner -- I’ve been called everything from anti-American to anti-semite to terrorist. Y'all should know I don’t need, nor do I ask for, any “assistance” from anyone in standing up for myself – I can handle it. And if you read the thread, you can see that I’ve already done so.
I want to say that I very much appreciate the other brave souls who have the stomach to slog through the poo-slinging that unfortunately stinks up so many of these debates about Palestinians/Arabs and/or Muslims in general -- your voices of reason are so vital. You guys know who you are. And I want to mention that quite an impressive number of you aren’t even ME/NA folks.
I also very much appreciate those who may hold conflicting views, yet are able to discuss issues in an intelligent, mature, and mutually respectful manner, without stooping to personal attacks.
My husband likes to read some of the posts here – in particular the ones discussing his country, Palestine, and issues that affect his people. And he often reads what I post on this subject. When he saw the things Szsz posted about my comments on Palestine/Palestinians/etc. – well, he told me, “I want to reply this person.” It seems everyone else and their mother felt free to drop by with their opinions – and he can do the same. He said what he wanted to say, in his own way.
So forget the fantasy that he posts on my “order” or “request” – he’s a man, not an errand boy, and I don’t tell him what to do.
JP -- I’ll make sure he sees what you wrote to him. He may want to answer you, too, or even make additional comments. But I can’t predict that – it’s up to him.
-MK
I’ve never asked my husband to make any remarks on VJ on my behalf. *SHEESH* -- for crying out loud -- as anyone around here should know (at least if they’ve been around VJ for more than a heartbeat) I’ve managed to handle quite a few rugged debates on this board, all by my little lonesome.
And it’s not the first time I’ve been personally attacked in a repulsive manner -- I’ve been called everything from anti-American to anti-semite to terrorist. Y'all should know I don’t need, nor do I ask for, any “assistance” from anyone in standing up for myself – I can handle it. And if you read the thread, you can see that I’ve already done so.I want to say that I very much appreciate the other brave souls who have the stomach to slog through the poo-slinging that unfortunately stinks up so many of these debates about Palestinians/Arabs and/or Muslims in general -- your voices of reason are so vital. You guys know who you are
. And I want to mention that quite an impressive number of you aren’t even ME/NA folks. I also very much appreciate those who may hold conflicting views, yet are able to discuss issues in an intelligent, mature, and mutually respectful manner, without stooping to personal attacks.
My husband likes to read some of the posts here – in particular the ones discussing his country, Palestine, and issues that affect his people. And he often reads what I post on this subject. When he saw the things Szsz posted about my comments on Palestine/Palestinians/etc. – well, he told me, “I want to reply this person.” It seems everyone else and their mother felt free to drop by with their opinions – and he can do the same. He said what he wanted to say, in his own way.
So forget the fantasy that he posts on my “order” or “request” – he’s a man, not an errand boy, and I don’t tell him what to do.
JP -- I’ll make sure he sees what you wrote to him. He may want to answer you, too, or even make additional comments. But I can’t predict that – it’s up to him.
-MK
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 10 2007, 03:27 PM)
Just to clear up a few misconceptions around here --
I’ve never asked my husband to make any remarks on VJ on my behalf. *SHEESH* -- for crying out loud -- as anyone around here should know (at least if they’ve been around VJ for more than a heartbeat) I’ve managed to handle quite a few rugged debates on this board, all by my little lonesome. And it’s not the first time I’ve been personally attacked in a repulsive manner -- I’ve been called everything from anti-American to anti-semite to terrorist. Y'all should know I don’t need, nor do I ask for, any “assistance” from anyone in standing up for myself – I can handle it. And if you read the thread, you can see that I’ve already done so.
I want to say that I very much appreciate the other brave souls who have the stomach to slog through the poo-slinging that unfortunately stinks up so many of these debates about Palestinians/Arabs and/or Muslims in general -- your voices of reason are so vital. You guys know who you are. And I want to mention that quite an impressive number of you aren’t even ME/NA folks.
I also very much appreciate those who may hold conflicting views, yet are able to discuss issues in an intelligent, mature, and mutually respectful manner, without stooping to personal attacks.
My husband likes to read some of the posts here – in particular the ones discussing his country, Palestine, and issues that affect his people. And he often reads what I post on this subject. When he saw the things Szsz posted about my comments on Palestine/Palestinians/etc. – well, he told me, “I want to reply this person.” It seems everyone else and their mother felt free to drop by with their opinions – and he can do the same. He said what he wanted to say, in his own way.
So forget the fantasy that he posts on my “order” or “request” – he’s a man, not an errand boy, and I don’t tell him what to do.
JP -- I’ll make sure he sees what you wrote to him. He may want to answer you, too, or even make additional comments. But I can’t predict that – it’s up to him.
-MK
I’ve never asked my husband to make any remarks on VJ on my behalf. *SHEESH* -- for crying out loud -- as anyone around here should know (at least if they’ve been around VJ for more than a heartbeat) I’ve managed to handle quite a few rugged debates on this board, all by my little lonesome.
And it’s not the first time I’ve been personally attacked in a repulsive manner -- I’ve been called everything from anti-American to anti-semite to terrorist. Y'all should know I don’t need, nor do I ask for, any “assistance” from anyone in standing up for myself – I can handle it. And if you read the thread, you can see that I’ve already done so.I want to say that I very much appreciate the other brave souls who have the stomach to slog through the poo-slinging that unfortunately stinks up so many of these debates about Palestinians/Arabs and/or Muslims in general -- your voices of reason are so vital. You guys know who you are
. And I want to mention that quite an impressive number of you aren’t even ME/NA folks. I also very much appreciate those who may hold conflicting views, yet are able to discuss issues in an intelligent, mature, and mutually respectful manner, without stooping to personal attacks.
My husband likes to read some of the posts here – in particular the ones discussing his country, Palestine, and issues that affect his people. And he often reads what I post on this subject. When he saw the things Szsz posted about my comments on Palestine/Palestinians/etc. – well, he told me, “I want to reply this person.” It seems everyone else and their mother felt free to drop by with their opinions – and he can do the same. He said what he wanted to say, in his own way.
So forget the fantasy that he posts on my “order” or “request” – he’s a man, not an errand boy, and I don’t tell him what to do.
JP -- I’ll make sure he sees what you wrote to him. He may want to answer you, too, or even make additional comments. But I can’t predict that – it’s up to him.
-MK
Thanks for that post MK. I think most of us realize that you and Mahmoud know what you're talking about and I for one am glad to learn from your experiences and from your husband about Palestine.
Don't worry about the trolls- you handled yourself very well as usual and explained everything clearly. It's nice to see someone stand up to the so called (self appointed) "voice of reason".
I don't think there's anything wrong with Mahmoud wanting to post and posting in Arabic. I hope we see him more frequently around here.
Thanks!
Sarah
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE(jordanianprincess @ Jan 9 2007, 03:57 PM)
QUOTE(peezey @ Jan 9 2007, 11:45 AM)
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Jan 9 2007, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Jan 9 2007, 02:17 PM)
....
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
But everyone else can clearly see what was written by you, and by me. The record is there. You started the "rank" game that you keep complaining about. And for someone with such a self-professed "male" style of argument, you sure got in a lot of catty remarks.
Ah well… maybe it was the voices in your head. Saying "Meow meow meow."
Yes everyone can see what is written by both of you...both bickering with each other. Yes, szsz often can get attitude-y and defensive, but you yourself said that your husband wrote something in Arabic, to "shame" her, instead of in English for all to see. Is that taking the higher road?
Some of us still have no idea what your husband said. But if even you said yourself, that it was written in Arabic as not to shame her so openly in English(or something), then it must not have been very nice either. Discussing is not the same as shaming, so I don't see how szsz has written anything much worse than your hubby supposedly did.
The difference is, szsz made crap up that WOM didn't say.
If you can't read arabic, unfortunately, you can't understand what she meant by shame. It's not some grave shame you might be thinking of, and the post in arabic certainly wasn't what I'd consder to be shameful. It asked questions from one Palestinian to another.
Regardless of their argument which I could care less about, the statement her husband made in arabic was shameful. Any form of shame is bad. People just don't do that in the Arab world to people they hardley know or don't know unless they want to insult them or start a fight. Maybe you wouldn't consider it shameful but an Arab would. It was not just simple questions.
jordanianprincess... mar7aba ..kefek ? mahmoud eli bektob aw be7ki fi ala7ar .awal shi ya princess ..eli beglat 3la zawjati .ya3ni howa 3am yelat 3lay ana kaman ..wa benafs al waket ana ma egletet 3lehawla zawjati ..heyah eli badat ma3 zawjati ..wi la3lmek ya princess .ZS ma bet3raf 3an falasteen ay ashi .wa alm3lomat eli 3end zawjati 3an falasteen akthar menek wa menah..ba3deen fi mathal 3rabi be7ki .(7bal alketheb ekseerah_wa eli mashi tareek alketheb 7ta law kan falasteeni ma beshrefni eno ykon falasteeni .liano alkthabeen ana fi alasel bakrahom ktheer...t3ali a7keelek ..sho ft3raf zs 3an falasteen ...wla eshi .bas bet7eb twrji 7alha enha bt3ref eshi . wa heya ma bt3raf thelth althlatheh.. ZS..ba3deen ta3ali 3la almokhyamat ..wra7 etshofi kef al7yah honak...khleeha tet3lam sho ya3ni falasteen.....ba3deen ana 7keet alwake3 ...ana 3rabi wa beshrfni eni akon 3rabi ..bas besharaf wa krameh wa alsedek...wa eli ma 3ndoh hdool alashya"a ma beshrfni eni a7ki ma3ha aw ab3thelha 3la alkhas .ba3deen etha hey bet7i eno e7na bedna enbahdelha aw ne3mal eshi 3atel 3anha ...kan kont katabet fi alengleezi mesh fi al3arabi ...hada alshi beth bet ani me badi tetbhdal ...mesh zayha ...geltat 3la zawjati kodam kol almojoodeen fi almoke3.. wa yareet eno kan 7keeha sa7ee7 ...bi al3ks ..koloh mbni 3la alketheb.ba3deen leesh enti betdaf3i 3anha..betkrablek? wela sho?ana ba7eb al3adel ...eza kan elha 7ak ra7 tokhtho...bas ma elha 7ak ..wi esali kol elmojodeeen ..ba3deen enti ekrai alklam mazboot ..mesh 3shan sa7btek ma te7ki alsa7ee7...ba3deen heya bet7awel t3mal 7alha enha eshi ekbeer 3la 7sab zawjati ..bas al3kas hwa alsa7ee7..fi alakher ..zawjati bet7eb falasteen wa falasteen betftakher bzawjati ba3deen jawjati bet3raf falasteen kabel la at3raf 3leeha fi alasel .wa bt3raf 3an falasteen ashya'a ana ma ba3rfha ..ba3deen 3la alakal heya zarat falasteen .mesh methel eli bo7ko 3an 7alhom falasteenieh ..ma be3rafo 3rabi..hahaha. fi alakher ..ay shi heya betkoloh ..ana mesh ra7 asdkoh ..wi ma ba7eb a7ki ma3 nas kthabeen ....salam ..mahmoud
Unless you do not speak english (or the person you are writing to) than if at all possible please keep things in english. Thanks.
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