only if she wore a fishnet body suit, spike heels, a leather collar and a riding crop


um, btw, isn't that you, jp, in the pics on the upper left of the shutter and the right door of the store?

hey where did my jordache jeans go???

kelly!!!! i'm so psyched for you that your MIL is here!!! enjoy her visit thoroughly. i know you'll be busy, but pls do check in and let us know how everything is going!

looks like they fell off. no more atkins for you

where's da cookies?

they are in another thread dearie!

I am just home from a long day there was a letter from NVC saying my petition was approved and will be sent out to Casa. The letter is dated Monday- the day can now be remember as the day NVC approved me rather than my accident

You mean I have to go allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way over there to get them?

Anybody watching Survivor tonight ? See ya in the chat room.

Jackie

It's just a picture guys geez! It's a joke.

If Hicham was so serious all the time we wouldn't get along. Can't anyone just laugh?

congrats on your approval


you know the deal, someone is bound to be offended

let it be noted i was the first to congratulate you
entered into the captain's log, stardate 2316.2.10

I congratulated her on yahoo a loooong time ago. Screenshot anyone?


ps. I liked your wedding photos that Nessa had up, very nice. Too bad you took them down though they're good pictures!

Thank god I saved them yesterday phew.

I am offended by all the offense that is taken.

I believe the reason that it offends Islam is because there is enough crap that is said about them as it is. People here in the US hear the worst of Islam. A picture like this is just one more slap in the face. Muslims are very reverent about their religion and the prophets. Sometimes us Americans don't show enough reverence.

I should have thought about it when I first saw it, I have a lot to learn still.

Wooooo hooooo congratulations !!!! Let's get that puppy into the diplomatic pouch and on it's way !!!!!

Wishing you an interview date very soon.... you're almost there !!!



-MK

Can't wait to get on that waiting for int4erview list MK!



GHL sent out a package Monday arriving in Casa yesterday. And One left today and is current in transit. I THINK its in the first but probably in one of these two. I already emailed CASA. let's see what they say

Thats great news! Keep us informed of the interview date!

MBP you're on a roll these past 2 weeks! Keep it up.

Ya know I wish I had seen this before showing Usama tonight!!! I got the same lecture probably. It went like, "Bridget.......this thing.....it is not funny.....this is not a joke......very very serious.................etc. etc. etc."

I see his point though. I mean I thought it was pretty funny when I saw it but his point wasn't that it is offensive, but moreso that these men are making a point that no matter what force is out there trying to tempt you, Allah is stronger. Or something like that. It kind of went on and on and on.

Is is too late to talk about the weather???

Wadi thought it was funny. Interesting the varied reactions!

It honestly feels like spring here tonight and I'm tempted to sleep with the window open but knowing this area I'll probably wake up with icicles on me!

So did Hicham.

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I am just home from a long day there was a letter from NVC saying my petition was approved and will be sent out to Casa. The letter is dated Monday- the day can now be remember as the day NVC approved me rather than my accident
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congrats on your approval
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mabrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is GRRRRRRREAT!!!!1

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I wouldn't recommend showing your husbands. I showed mine and just got a 30 minute lecture on Islam and the "meaning" from the picture....LORD ALMIGHTY......... I actually didn't intend on him seeing it but he happened to walk by and see it...stopped to see what it was ... and then it was all downhill from there...even when I tried to explain how an American would view it..didn't matter....... some of yer hubbies might be ok with it but definitely think about it before showing them...
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Ya know I wish I had seen this before showing Usama tonight!!! I got the same lecture probably. It went like, "Bridget.......this thing.....it is not funny.....this is not a joke......very very serious.................etc. etc. etc."

I see his point though. I mean I thought it was pretty funny when I saw it but his point wasn't that it is offensive, but moreso that these men are making a point that no matter what force is out there trying to tempt you, Allah is stronger. Or something like that. It kind of went on and on and on.
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yeah , i definitely wished he hadn'tve seen it...


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No worries dearie... He just takes offense to Islam reallllllllllllly quick...I guess one could say he's "touchy"
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What is so offensive about it?
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It's just a picture guys geez! It's a joke.

If Hicham was so serious all the time we wouldn't get along. Can't anyone just laugh?
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we all knew it was a joke
we just found it interesting what our husbands thought of it..... 2 totally different opinions..

Are you rubbing it in?

Did you ask Islam if it was offended and Islam said yes?

Ok so a few individuals were offended, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims everywhere are.

Sigh, I guess some people might understand this more when their husbands come and they convert to Islam accordingly.

It's not a "real" pic. It was obviously staged.

There is NO WAY actual Muslim guys would actually be praying like that in an actual Muslim country. On a public street, in front of pictures of nearly undressed women ??? No way. Period.

There is crap said and jokes made about every single religion, Islam is not immune to it. So do you think people only hear the worst about Islam or are there some individuals that don't portray it in the best light?




It may not be real but either way it is funny. Politically incorrect, sure, but funny. I also think what Rebecca pointed out earlier is very true. If their religious conviction is so strong they may not care about their surroundings, praying in front of a lingerie store is not the only thing that is wrong with it.

Anmar just said omg and started laughing and asked what country was that.

My comment was in response to those who had wondered if the pic was "staged" or if it was "real."

Anyway, I understand that many folks might find such a pic funny, and that's certainly their right.

But you have to acknowledge that "funny" is an almost entirely subjective judgment, as is "offensive." Different people have different reactions to this type of humor -- as you can see from some of the reactions described in this thread.

Certainly, jokes have been made about every single religion or even ethnicity. But they are not always welcomed in every setting. For instance, there have been things posted in Off-Topic that humorously "mocked" Christianity. Some of these (predictably) sparked a very negative reaction from more than a few Christian VJers. Some of the items were subsequently removed. I can't think of anyone posting anything that "mocked" Judaism, but (judging from the screams of "anti-Semite" that automatically follow anything critical of the Israeli government) I think it would likely prompt a even stronger backlash. I don't think you were here for the heated debate over Mexico's Memin Peguin stamps last year, but again, it was the divide over what constitutes "offensive." Black people tended to find the images very offensive and racist, while many non-blacks defended them as innocently humorous. Massive fireworks until the thread was locked off.

Anyway, whoever took this photo obviously staged the scene with the intention of provoking or eliciting a certain response.

You're right, funny is very subjective.

My husband and I just took the photo more as a joke against men than one against Islam. I think *most* people do get a kick of pointing out how men have one-track minds. I don't think the picture would have really been funny if it were women praying in front of a men's underwear store, right?

Nope, women are not driven by underwear ads like men are . . . Who is the Victoria's Secret Model show for anyway?? I don't care to watch skinny boyish women parade around in their skivvies and I really don't care to see men do the same thing . . . only interested in one parading around in my house and that is enough for me!!!

Have you been to them all? No one thought the pic of the girl with the sting shirt on was in a Muslim country, but she was in Beirut (dang they wear very little on the streets there).

I don't see why men couldn't have come out of work and done this, they might work in that store for all we know.



These men have obviously been praying their whole lives, they are doing everything exactly right. So they are of some level of mulsim-ness, no? So why in the heck, with nice jeans and sweaters on, clearly not super poor, could anyone POSSIBLY have gotten them to do this? And on the remote chance they did, what for? This picture isn't making millions somewhere.

I think this is where these guys work, and where they came out to pray. Simple as that.

I agree. I don't think anyone can say what "actual" Muslims will or will not do. One of my husband's earliest *shocks* here was the day after he arrived at the mosque. There was a shoe rack in the foyer. He is used to keeping his shoes beside him in the mosques in Morocco. He said if you didn't, there would be a chance your shoes would be gone after. We visited an Egyptian who said the same thing and related a story about someone finishing prayer to actually find his new shoes gone when he was back in Egypt. I realize these are two totally different things, but I would never have thought "actual" Muslims would steal shoes at a mosque so I don't automically rule out the possibility of Muslims praying in front of a lingerie store.

That may be true . . . . but I'm not going to buy sexy lingerie from guys, hehe!!! Maybe to them it is a normal everyday thing to show thongs to women, but I'd rather talk to a woman about what I want to wear on my derriere!!

I have seen men selling things in ME that I certainly wouldn't think were mens' arena, but yet, there they are. Shoot, here, too. It really irks me that my favorite women's clothing store now has all kinds of young guys in there asking if they can help me! NO!

When Mohammed first came to America we of course had the spend a day shopping. We hit Walmart and Target, and the local mall. We walked past a Victoria's Secret store and he turned all shades of red and ......to this day he blushes when we walk past there.

Jackie

you gonna watch the victoria's secret show in a few days on tv?

Hmmm I could ask you the same -- have you asked "everyone" about what they thought of the pic of the woman ?

I didn't comment specifically on it before, but now that you bring it up -- I personally thought it was entirely possible that she might be in Lebanon or perhaps even Turkey.

But I wouldn't exactly characterize Lebanon as a "Muslim" country. It has a sizeable and powerful Christian minority, and the Lebanese legal system is based on a mixture of Ottoman law, canon law, Napoleonic code, and civil law. Lebanon has no official state religion, nor does it recognize sharia as a source of legislation.

Anyway, I stand by what I've said -- in an actual "Muslim" country (meaning one with Islamic law) there is no way a group of guys would be doing this on a public street. I say this for a reason -- in many Muslim countries they could face arrest for such behavior, and even passers-by would likely beat them.



Hmmmm.... these nicely-dressed, purportedly Muslim men not only all work at a women's lingerie shop (of all places!) but also wouldn't feel the need to find a suitable place to conduct their prayer, even a few steps down the street ?? This argument does nothing to convince me of their "obvious" Muslim-ness. In fact, it only supports the idea that the scene was "staged."

Of course the point of the photo was not at all to "make millions." As I said, it was intended to elicit a particular response in the viewer.

methinks that might be changing soon
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;#entry597939

Did I say it was real? I realize everyone has a different type of humor and I also realize that some people don't have a sense of humor at all.

You didn't read the article closely enough. Note where it mentions the Lebanese Christian opposition leader, Michel Aoun. He has joined Hezbollah in the protest calling for Siniora and his cabinet to step down.

that long list of lebanon legal system above might be revised soon, was my point. sorry it was over your head.

Did I say you said it was real ?



Of course everyone has a different type of humor. Not everyone is gonna laugh at everything that makes you laugh.

But to insinuate that not finding humor in a particular item equals "they don't have any sense of humor at all"... well, you're only kidding yourself.

Anyway. Before anyone starts crying about board sheriffs and such, I want to point out that I didn't say you shouldn't be allowed to post the pic, nor did I say that it didn't have any element of humor.

I just said it wasn't a "real" photo of a "real" scene, which puts some perspective on how to interpret it.



-MK



*You* are the one that cited the article as a reference point for your theory of an imminent change in the Lebanese legal system.

My question is: how are you drawing that conclusion based on the article you posted ?

Sorry it was over your head.

I guess we need to start a new thread to discuss what makes a Muslim country a Muslim country, because under your standards, Morocco isn't one. Because they use a combination of French provincial law and sharia, you shold definitely inform 99% of the population they do not live in a Muslim country. Then we'd have to move on to Indonesia, Bangladesh, and even India.

oh let's see. perhaps you missed these parts........

-Hezbollah, Lebanon's most powerful Shi'ite Muslim group, and its pro-Syrian allies had called on Lebanese from across the country to take part in the protest (i'm sure they are doing that just because they are nice guys and have no plans for lebanon)

-Large numbers of security forces, backed by armored troop carriers, were deployed. Scores of soldiers, using barbed wire and metal barriers, cordoned off the complex housing the government's offices in downtown Beirut. (this sounds to me like civil war might occur - again)

and why is this going on?
-Hezbollah has been at loggerheads with Siniora's government over what it says was its failure to back the group during the July-August war with Israel.

so let's see........Hezbollah, Lebanon's most powerful Shi'ite Muslim group - Hezbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran - what exactly do you think they will stand to gain from this deal? just replacing the govenment, or replacing the government with hezbollah members? i'd vote for the latter. and hence my remarks about the pending change.......

Where did you get the idea that "under my standards," Morocco could not be considered a "Muslim country" ??????

There are clear differences between Morocco and Lebanon -- in fact you just typed out a major one yourself: Morocco uses a combination of French provincial law and sharia. In contrast, Lebanon does not use sharia at all.

Also, Morocco does not have a sizeable minority of non-Muslims -- only about 1% of Morocco’s population is Christian, and only about .02% are Jewish. But in Lebanon, nearly 40% of the population is Christian, and by law, Christians are guaranteed a certain amount of representation in the Lebanese government.

So, due to its overwhelmingly Muslim population and its inclusion of Islamic principles in its laws, I would have to say that Morocco certainly should be considered a “Muslim country.”