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jordanianprincess
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Nov 27 2006, 10:32 AM) *

QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 01:29 PM) *

Now it becomes obvious why after 3 years here, I have only 2 hearts, I usually keep my fukin opinion to myself. But because this was about MUSLIM marriages, and I have been in one for 4 years, I THOUGHT I could post what works for US. I never said you HAVE to change your way of cooking and cleaning to keep your husband, only that you may WANT to. Enough shouting from me today, I have a pile of paperwork on my desk calling my name. Truce if anyone is interested.

I will go back now to my quite self and help those that need support during the waiting process. It's what I do best and I usually do it in private PM's.

Jackie rose.gif


Jackie, I think you knew what the reaction would be with your initial post. You even said, "At the risk of negative attention, I have a comment regarding marriage tips." I thought it was up for discussion.
No hard feelings here.


Exactly.
doodlebug
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 01:29 PM) *

Now it becomes obvious why after 3 years here, I have only 2 hearts,



You need to take more polls in the poll section and play the one word games. That will get your posts up to get the hearts.

Here's some in the meantime though:


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just_Jackie
I risked it and I got it! blush.gif

Jackie
jenn--still meeting in chat for The Bachelor tonight?
Jenn!
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 01:47 PM) *

I risked it and I got it! blush.gif

Jackie
jenn--still meeting in chat for The Bachelor tonight?


I'll say, yes. That's assuming that I win the wrestling match for the remote control at 9. Let's just say The Bachelor is not one of Wadi's faves! laughing.gif
jordanianprincess
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 26 2006, 10:08 AM) *

At the risk of negative attention, I have a comment regarding marriage tips. As you get closer to your SO's 10 year card, you might find yourself becoming more of what he expects and wants in a wife.

In this immigration process there is a period of time where your SO comes and is somewhat reliant on you. After a year or two of assimilation, their need of help diminishes and your role changes. It is at this point you can either make your relationship stronger, or give him a reason to leave the marriage. It's in your power.

Jackie rose.gif



QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 10:29 AM) *

Now it becomes obvious why after 3 years here, I have only 2 hearts, I usually keep my fukin opinion to myself. But because this was about MUSLIM marriages, and I have been in one for 4 years, I THOUGHT I could post what works for US. I never said you HAVE to change your way of cooking and cleaning to keep your husband, only that you may WANT to. Enough shouting from me today, I have a pile of paperwork on my desk calling my name. Truce if anyone is interested.

I will go back now to my quite self and help those that need support during the waiting process. It's what I do best and I usually do it in private PM's.

Jackie rose.gif


Can you please tell me what it is in your initial post that applies only to Muslim marriages? What makes it apply only to Muslims vs. other people?
just_Jackie
Ummmmm cuz I posted it in a 'muslim marriage' thread.

Jackie
mawilson
QUOTE(amal @ Nov 27 2006, 07:58 AM) *

I think it is the paranoia before the 10 yr card that makes a person change.
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A person that feels this will wear that extra pair of socks to ensure their toes don't freeze and will put away that extra dish in the sink to remind her spouse that she's a great wife and that he loves her. A far step ? yeah a bit. Does it happen? absolutely. I think after the 10 year card is received, the intensity level lessens and they feel they can resume their normal lives. It is just a level of paranoia, that's all. good.gif

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Bosco
I dislike the Christian/Muslim lines that are being drawn, as if we are two different species.

You enter the Christian threads and no one is posting how this is only applies to Christians. They have been been quite welcoming of the entire forum. Seems to me, the same courtesy should be extended to the non-Muslim VJ members in the Muslim threads, and their contributions should be both welcomed and valued.

Seriously, I don't get the distinctions that are being made and the things that have been implied. I realize we all have different beliefs even when we share a religion, but it seems obvious to me that focusing on our similarities rather than our differences would be less divisive and more in accordance with your religion, whatever it may be. rose.gif



jordanianprincess
QUOTE(Bosco @ Nov 27 2006, 11:04 AM) *

I dislike the Christian/Muslim lines that are being drawn, as if we are two different species.

You enter the Christian threads and no one is posting how this is only applies to Christians. They have been been quite welcoming of the entire forum. Seems to me, the same courtesy should be extended to the non-Muslim VJ members in the Muslim threads, and their contributions should be both welcomed and valued.

Seriously, I don't get the distinctions that are being made and the things that have been implied. I realize we all have different beliefs even when we share a religion, but it seems obvious to me that focusing on our similarities rather than our differences would be less divisive and more in accordance with your religion, whatever it may be. rose.gif

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sarachid
QUOTE(mybackpages @ Nov 26 2006, 07:34 PM) *

QUOTE(Bosco @ Nov 26 2006, 07:30 PM) *

Yes and no. Many of the guys stick around for a few more years because they can put more money away, especially if the woman is paying most of the bills. Even if it is 50/50, he can save more if he stays a few extra years (not to mention possibly have meals cooked for him and a clean home). I think the jig is often up once they have a nice chunk of change & the GC.




If I end up being dumped after he acquires a nice chuck of change and the GC, I am moving to Morocco to live with his mother. whistling.gif



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just_Jackie
I don't like the differences being made on VJ between religions. This is an immigration site. But I certainly don't fault my fellow VJ'ers from starting the threads.

Jackie
peezey
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 01:57 PM) *

Ummmmm cuz I posted it in a 'muslim marriage' thread.

Jackie


Yes but then you later said you weren't talking about only Muslim marriages when I asked why you considered your view point only re: muslim marriages. I think we've long since left the idea that we are talking about anything other than marriage in general.
just_Jackie
WTF how long do you want to beat a dead fukin horse???????????? Seriously, a one month member of VJ and you want to help me boost my post count? Come on then, let's make this a few more pages. My ONLY point was to clean and cook....and ya know,,I don't even like cooking and cleaning. You'd think by the way I am defending it that I was Martha fuckin Stewart.

Jackie
peezey
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 02:30 PM) *

WTF how long do you want to beat a dead fukin horse???????????? Seriously, a one month member of VJ and you want to help me boost my post count? Come on then, let's make this a few more pages. My ONLY point was to clean and cook....and ya know,,I don't even like cooking and cleaning. You'd think by the way I am defending it that I was Martha fuckin Stewart.

Jackie


Remind me again when one's posts become valid. I think I missed that part of the TOS. I'm taking it to mean that although I have been in relationship and married to a Muslim for much longer than you (10 years), my opinion is less valid due to my VJ sign-up date. This is what you are saying? I find it highly suspect that I am the one you are targeting since I am not the only one who doesn't agree with your opinion here. Anything going on in the background prompting this type of reply? And I'm hoping this kind of **language** you are using isn't intended for the muslim wife tips.

As I've said before, I will not just go away because you or anyone else think I haven't posted for long enough. I have been here for many years, and will continue.

Might I add that while I can see you are frustrated with people continuing a conversation you'd prefer stopped, you are the only one who has made personal attacks in this thread. A discussion does not = a fight unless you throw in fightin' words.
charles!
this thread wins today's train wreck award
i'm sure those who helped win this know who they are. yes.gif

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doodlebug
QUOTE(Bosco @ Nov 27 2006, 02:04 PM) *

I dislike the Christian/Muslim lines that are being drawn, as if we are two different species.

You enter the Christian threads and no one is posting how this is only applies to Christians. They have been been quite welcoming of the entire forum. Seems to me, the same courtesy should be extended to the non-Muslim VJ members in the Muslim threads, and their contributions should be both welcomed and valued.

Seriously, I don't get the distinctions that are being made and the things that have been implied. I realize we all have different beliefs even when we share a religion, but it seems obvious to me that focusing on our similarities rather than our differences would be less divisive and more in accordance with your religion, whatever it may be. rose.gif



Lesson learned wink.gif I post in an islamic woman's forum and I'll keep my religious questions there from now on. Just was trying to gain insite from as many peeps as I know who are muslim because I was under the impression that the expectations that Allah has of us as wives are different than in other religions. For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for. You're right though....this is not the forum for religious discussions. good.gif
just_Jackie
Personal attacks?
Me? I do think attack is too stong of a word for debate.

fuzzy kitties for everyone.

Jackie rose.gif

I will have 3 hearts before you know it at this rate! Thank you to all that have sent pm's. It means alot.
sarachid
Now my question is what if the man decides that he is not going to work... would that not be a ""deal breaker?""

I think it is what ever works...
If he works earns all the money then she takes care of the home
If he and she works and earns the money and they hire someone that comes in and takes care of the home
If she works and earns all the money then he takes care of the home
etc....
sophyie
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Nov 27 2006, 08:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Bosco @ Nov 27 2006, 02:04 PM) *

I dislike the Christian/Muslim lines that are being drawn, as if we are two different species.

You enter the Christian threads and no one is posting how this is only applies to Christians. They have been been quite welcoming of the entire forum. Seems to me, the same courtesy should be extended to the non-Muslim VJ members in the Muslim threads, and their contributions should be both welcomed and valued.

Seriously, I don't get the distinctions that are being made and the things that have been implied. I realize we all have different beliefs even when we share a religion, but it seems obvious to me that focusing on our similarities rather than our differences would be less divisive and more in accordance with your religion, whatever it may be. rose.gif



Lesson learned wink.gif I post in an islamic woman's forum and I'll keep my religious questions there from now on. Just was trying to gain insite from as many peeps as I know who are muslim because I was under the impression that the expectations that Allah has of us as wives are different than in other religions. For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for. You're right though....this is not the forum for religious discussions. good.gif


I think that's kinda sad- found this topic highly interesting.
I like different views to things and have always found something "useful" . smile.gif
charles!
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 01:57 PM) *

Thank you to all that have sent pm's. It means alot.

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moody
That was the deal with my first marriage. I didn't work so taking care of the home and kids was my "job". I loved it! I loved being home with my kids. I no longer have that luxury, unfortunately.

Mohamed and I agreed that since we'll both be working (isa) we'll both have household responsibilities. Taking out the trash will def. be one of his biggrin.gif


QUOTE(sarachid @ Nov 27 2006, 03:01 PM) *


I think it is what ever works...
If he works earns all the money then she takes care of the home

Bosco
QUOTE(doodlebug @ Nov 27 2006, 02:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Bosco @ Nov 27 2006, 02:04 PM) *

I dislike the Christian/Muslim lines that are being drawn, as if we are two different species.

You enter the Christian threads and no one is posting how this is only applies to Christians. They have been been quite welcoming of the entire forum. Seems to me, the same courtesy should be extended to the non-Muslim VJ members in the Muslim threads, and their contributions should be both welcomed and valued.

Seriously, I don't get the distinctions that are being made and the things that have been implied. I realize we all have different beliefs even when we share a religion, but it seems obvious to me that focusing on our similarities rather than our differences would be less divisive and more in accordance with your religion, whatever it may be. rose.gif



Lesson learned wink.gif I post in an islamic woman's forum and I'll keep my religious questions there from now on. Just was trying to gain insite from as many peeps as I know who are muslim because I was under the impression that the expectations that Allah has of us as wives are different than in other religions. For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for. You're right though....this is not the forum for religious discussions. good.gif


The problem is your Islam membership join date is too recent laughing.gif (kidding)

I don't have a problem with religious threads. I have a problem when Christian members' posts within Muslim threads are not welcomed or retorts are made that this was meant for Muslims. It is an opportunity that can be used for embracing our similarities rather than the differences. While things like salvation and belief pertaining to Jesus may be very different, what makes a person good and decent is rather consistent across all religions and non-religions.
doodlebug
QUOTE(moody @ Nov 27 2006, 03:05 PM) *

That was the deal with my first marriage. I didn't work so taking care of the home and kids was my "job". I loved it! I loved being home with my kids. I no longer have that luxury, unfortunately.

Mohamed and I agreed that since we'll both be working (isa) we'll both have household responsibilities. Taking out the trash will def. be one of his biggrin.gif



I can't wait to stop taking out the trash!!! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif '


I finally convinced my 10 yr old to at least bring the bags into the garage but I'm still the only one who will drag them to the curb for pickup. I HATE doing that especially in the winter when you have to maneuver a place for them in the snow!!! mad.gif
moody
Mohamed has dreams of owning a home someday. I'm perfectly content in an apartment. No mowing the lawn, no shoveling snow, no having to fix/replace things around the house.
Caladan
Not to mention that there seem to be as many ways to be a good Muslim wife as a good Christian one. Not every practicing Christian wife believes that she must be submissive, and surely there's as much variation in Muslim marriages. Enthusiasm's fine, but I'm not sure there's a how-to manual on how to be a perfect wife, regardless of religion.

I think that there's nothing wrong with changing for a partner, but that if you lose your whole identity, you're changing too much. And if someone's going to swindle you for a green card, it's probably not going to matter so much that you can make a non-microwaved meal.
just_Jackie
Since we both work full-time our agreement is: I take care of the inside, he takes care of the outside. Of course he will cook on his day off and I have been known to rake a leaf. (damn last time I got 2 splinters that hurt like heck!) But I do most of the cooking and he handles the garbage and yard work.

But again,,,this is what works for us. I should have learned by now to stay out of this thread but today I must be a glutton for punishment.

Jackie rose.gif
moody
Mohamed says...you're the boss in the home and I'm the boss outside. The sucky part is...the only outside chore he'd have to do is taking out the garbage. I don't really want him doing anything inside the home. I'm picky about how I like things done...esp. laundry. Hmmmm maybe I can get him to cook once in awhile. Oh and maybe do the vacuuming...that's my least favorite.

QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 03:15 PM) *

Since we both work full-time our agreement is: I take care of the inside, he takes care of the outside. Of course he will cook on his day off and I have been known to rake a leaf. (damn last time I got 2 splinters that hurt like heck!) But I do most of the cooking and he handles the garbage and yard work.

But again,,,this is what works for us. I should have learned by now to stay out of this thread but today I must be a glutton for punishment.

Jackie rose.gif

doodlebug
QUOTE(moody @ Nov 27 2006, 03:19 PM) *

Mohamed says...you're the boss in the home and I'm the boss outside. The sucky part is...the only outside chore he'd have to do is taking out the garbage. I don't really want him doing anything inside the home. I'm picky about how I like things done...esp. laundry. Hmmmm maybe I can get him to cook once in awhile. Oh and maybe do the vacuuming...that's my least favorite.



Why can't he shovel your car out?
moody
Good idea! Cleaning snow off my car and warming it up. I'll add that to the list.
Virtual wife
Charles - SZSZ
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I brought more popcorn for Nessa, if she wants some, sis.
Jenn!
QUOTE(szsz @ Nov 27 2006, 04:02 PM) *

Charles - SZSZ
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I brought more popcorn for Nessa, if she wants some, sis.


I think the show is over... laughing.gif
Virtual wife
For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for.

PLEASE, do not read or apply ahadith until you understand the Quran. There is nothing to equate this in the Sunnah of Allah, nor will it validate it unless and until you have a proper context upon which to grasp its meaning. It ranks among the stuff about more women being in hell and how Allah prefers men to marry virgins rather than previously married women. Sorry, cultural interpretations have oozed into the texts, making Islam seem very female unfriendly. It takes time and study to discern how to incorporate ahadith and what of it is not in the manner of our God or the Prophet.
charles!
QUOTE(jmagayreh @ Nov 27 2006, 02:15 PM) *

But again,,,this is what works for us. I should have learned by now to stay out of this thread but today I must be a glutton for punishment.

Jackie rose.gif

amen to that. i guess i need to be more of a diversion? unsure.gif
mawilson
QUOTE(szsz @ Nov 27 2006, 04:18 PM) *

For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for.

Dude - I should get myself one of them Muslim wives - LOL
charles!
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 27 2006, 04:48 PM) *

QUOTE(szsz @ Nov 27 2006, 04:18 PM) *

For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for.

Dude - I should get myself one of them Muslim wives - LOL

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mybackpages
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 27 2006, 04:48 PM) *
QUOTE(szsz @ Nov 27 2006, 04:18 PM) *

For example I read that if a muslim wife rejects her husband's come on for sex, the angels curse her from the time she sleeps until the morning. That isn't anything I've ever heard of in Christianity so things like that is what I was looking for.

Dude - I should get myself one of them Muslim wives - LOL




be careful what you wish for tongue.gif

amal
wow, I don't come on for 1 day and the thread falls to pieces. What a shame. I thought for once there was a debate that was remaining civil. I guess I was wrong. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. Everybody has their own points of view and everybody should have the right to explain their own points of view until they have explained it to death OR they have the right to not comment anymore. I don't remember the last time I was so belittled for something I felt so strongly in. It seems no matter how hard I tried to explain myself...that I rode the fence on the subject, somebody had to come along and try to push my face in the mud. (excluding a couple of you ~ you should know who you are) I know it doesn't matter to any of you but I am really disappointed with how this ended up as I was quite enjoying the different ideas until the train wreck. I would really like to talk about this subject in real time (it is so much easier to explain yourself in real time.) I will be happy to talk about it over yahoo if anybody is interested. I will not be a part of the torment that is happening in this thread sad.gif

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charles!
QUOTE(amal @ Nov 28 2006, 07:29 AM) *

wow, I don't come on for 1 day and the thread falls to pieces. What a shame. I thought for once there was a debate that was remaining civil. I guess I was wrong. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. Everybody has their own points of view and everybody should have the right to explain their own points of view until they have explained it to death OR they have the right to not comment anymore. I don't remember the last time I was so belittled for something I felt so strongly in. It seems no matter how hard I tried to explain myself...that I rode the fence on the subject, somebody had to come along and try to push my face in the mud. (excluding a couple of you ~ you should know who you are) I know it doesn't matter to any of you but I am really disappointed with how this ended up as I was quite enjoying the different ideas until the train wreck. I would really like to talk about this subject in real time (it is so much easier to explain yourself in real time.) I will be happy to talk about it over yahoo if anybody is interested. I will not be a part of the torment that is happening in this thread sad.gif

rose.gif amal rose.gif

i believe the appropriate term is "par for the course" in regards to the consistent bashing in this thread (and many others). i'd liken it to french fries and hamburgers. one goes with the other.......
i do hope you return soon rose.gif
Together4ever
This is the reason so many of the wonderful people who used to share here have stopped posting much, if at all.
Jenn!
I thought we were just discussing in here. I definitely didn't agree with Jackie's post, but we were still able to have our Bachelor chat and have a great time! I don't think we need to carry disagreements from one thread to another. Don't you all fight with sisters? biggrin.gif
charles!
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Nov 28 2006, 08:37 AM) *

I thought we were just discussing in here. I definitely didn't agree with Jackie's post, but we were still able to have our Bachelor chat and have a great time! I don't think we need to carry disagreements from one thread to another. Don't you all fight with sisters? biggrin.gif

btw. you better get with the program, i'm a heart ahead of you biggrin.gif
Jenn!
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 28 2006, 09:39 AM) *

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Nov 28 2006, 08:37 AM) *

I thought we were just discussing in here. I definitely didn't agree with Jackie's post, but we were still able to have our Bachelor chat and have a great time! I don't think we need to carry disagreements from one thread to another. Don't you all fight with sisters? biggrin.gif

btw. you better get with the program, i'm a heart ahead of you biggrin.gif


I think you will *always* be one heart ahead of me. It's a lost cause!
just_Jackie
Survivor chat on Thursday night!

I think the more time we spend in 'real time' the better we get to know each other and can appreciate our differences. It also leaves the line of communication open for further discussion. I don't like to burn my bridges with anyone.

Jackie rose.gif
mybackpages
Why is it when people disagree on here, everything turns personal? Strong personalities, strong opinions are just words. I thought it was just a passionate discussion. I didn't see a train wreck until everyone started to call it that. Sad really that people are taking all this way too seriously. it continues to amaze me what people want to see in these threads instead of what is there. Are we in HS all over again? jeeze I know I am going regret this post, but I'll just deny any responsibility for my reaction this morning and blame it on the major 6 car accident that I was in yesterday. That's real life and worth losing sleep over. Not this thread.
Bosco
QUOTE(mybackpages @ Nov 28 2006, 09:58 AM) *

Why is it when people disagree on here, everything turns personal? Strong personalities, strong opinions are just words. I thought it was just a passionate discussion. I didn't see a train wreck until everyone started to call it that. Sad really that people are taking all this way too seriously. it continues to amaze me what people want to see in these threads instead of what is there. Are we in HS all over again? jeeze I know I am going regret this post, but I'll just deny any responsibility for my reaction this morning and blame it on the major 6 car accident that I was in yesterday. That's real life and worth losing sleep over. Not this thread.


I see it the same as you MBP. It was a heated discussion, nothing more, until the trainwreck accusations entered. I think there are lots of sensitive skins here that think strongly expressing and defending your opinion is a fight, or when their opinion gets knocked down it is an attack on them rather than their opinion.

And I offer no excuses for this post. Hope you are not feeling too sore today rose.gif You better be home resting or we are coming after you and dragging you home.
Virtual wife
QUOTE(amal @ Nov 28 2006, 06:29 AM) *

wow, I don't come on for 1 day and the thread falls to pieces. What a shame. I thought for once there was a debate that was remaining civil. I guess I was wrong. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. Everybody has their own points of view and everybody should have the right to explain their own points of view until they have explained it to death OR they have the right to not comment anymore. I don't remember the last time I was so belittled for something I felt so strongly in. It seems no matter how hard I tried to explain myself...that I rode the fence on the subject, somebody had to come along and try to push my face in the mud. (excluding a couple of you ~ you should know who you are) I know it doesn't matter to any of you but I am really disappointed with how this ended up as I was quite enjoying the different ideas until the train wreck. I would really like to talk about this subject in real time (it is so much easier to explain yourself in real time.) I will be happy to talk about it over yahoo if anybody is interested. I will not be a part of the torment that is happening in this thread sad.gif

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I have often thought the same thing, amal, but, may I offer the observation that at least people seem to like you even if they disagree with you. I know I don't "fit in" here and have no MENA "friends" or defenders, but it's just the way the game is played. As I see it, you've got it made coz this won't follow you. Cheer up, sis! biggrin.gif rose.gif Either that, or you can just not give a damn . . .


menmy
I just want to throw my two cents in here for what it's worth. I'm sure there will be others coming by shortly to tell me exactly what it's worth. whistling.gif I am including all relationships in all religions.

I am no expert in relationships. I want to make that clear. I have done a lot of research and study into relationships though. I am fascinated with them. As was stated before by another, I too had a horrible marriage that ended in divorce and I wanted to learn from that huge mistake so as to not make the same one again. I had to learn why I ended up in that relationship in the first place.

This is what I have learned and what has made the most sense to me about relationships:

No relationship is perfect.

We attract to us the person that we can learn the most from.

Every person has their own lessons that they need to learn and those lessons are most likely to present themselves in a love relationship.

Some of us have more to learn than others.

Every relationship has its own uniques lessons that present themselves for each partner to learn from.

The most successful relationships are the ones that work through those lessons together and can grow from those lessons.

In every relationship there is give and take.

Every relationship hits a point of a power struggle.

As adults, we very likely repeat familiar relationships that we had when we were younger with our primary care givers. And these relationships end up repeating something painful that we experienced when we were younger in hopes of a different outcome.

Until we have worked through any pain from our past, we will continue to repeat the same pain over and over again until we have learned the lesson that we need to learn.

None of this is apparent on a conscious level. We can't simply choose to say we are going to avoid those lessons/relationships. There is a much deeper drive and attraction to those very situations that cannot be avoided until we have learned that lesson and we won't know completely we've learned the lesson until we enter another relationship or see that those lessons no longer appear in our lives.

To tell one person that their relationship is wrong or bad; you might as well tell them that their DNA is all wrong. It is who they are and no relationship is without it's power struggle. And only the two people in the relationship are the only ones that can work this out among themselves.

So there are 2 options: Either work on yourself before getting into a relationship until you are completely healed from the pain in your past (and everyone has pain-even the most perfect parents and most well-intentioned parents end up hurting their children to some extent); or find a partner who has the capability and wants to grow and is willing to help you grow as well.

As far as religion, no matter what faith you choose, all of them encourage each 'member' to grow to be more accepting, kind and loving to our fellow human beings. And that crosses all lines of religion, culture, ethnicity, etc. to grow to see that every person brings value to another and with each person, a lesson is presented to us if we choose to look at the lesson, instead of judging or criticizing each person and missing the lesson all together.

I don't see any of this as putting on rose-colored glasses. It speaks truth to me.

That's just my two cents.
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QUOTE(me&mymoroccan @ Nov 28 2006, 09:33 AM) *
I just want to throw my two cents in here for what it's worth. I'm sure there will be others coming by shortly to tell me exactly what it's worth. whistling.gif I am including all relationships in all religions.

I am no expert in relationships. I want to make that clear. I have done a lot of research and study into relationships though. I am fascinated with them. As was stated before by another, I too had a horrible marriage that ended in divorce and I wanted to learn from that huge mistake so as to not make the same one again. I had to learn why I ended up in that relationship in the first place.

This is what I have learned and what has made the most sense to me about relationships:

No relationship is perfect.

We attract to us the person that we can learn the most from.

Every person has their own lessons that they need to learn and those lessons are most likely to present themselves in a love relationship.

Some of us have more to learn than others.

Every relationship has its own uniques lessons that present themselves for each partner to learn from.

The most successful relationships are the ones that work through those lessons together and can grow from those lessons.

In every relationship there is give and take.

Every relationship hits a point of a power struggle.

As adults, we very likely repeat familiar relationships that we had when we were younger with our primary care givers. And these relationships end up repeating something painful that we experienced when we were younger in hopes of a different outcome.

Until we have worked through any pain from our past, we will continue to repeat the same pain over and over again until we have learned the lesson that we need to learn.

None of this is apparent on a conscious level. We can't simply choose to say we are going to avoid those lessons/relationships. There is a much deeper drive and attraction to those very situations that cannot be avoided until we have learned that lesson and we won't know completely we've learned the lesson until we enter another relationship or see that those lessons no longer appear in our lives.

To tell one person that their relationship is wrong or bad; you might as well tell them that their DNA is all wrong. It is who they are and no relationship is without it's power struggle. And only the two people in the relationship are the only ones that can work this out among themselves.

So there are 2 options: Either work on yourself before getting into a relationship until you are completely healed from the pain in your past (and everyone has pain-even the most perfect parents and most well-intentioned parents end up hurting their children to some extent); or find a partner who has the capability and wants to grow and is willing to help you grow as well.

As far as religion, no matter what faith you choose, all of them encourage each 'member' to grow to be more accepting, kind and loving to our fellow human beings. And that crosses all lines of religion, culture, ethnicity, etc. to grow to see that every person brings value to another and with each person, a lesson is presented to us if we choose to look at the lesson, instead of judging or criticizing each person and missing the lesson all together.

I don't see any of this as putting on rose-colored glasses. It speaks truth to me.

That's just my two cents.




Beautiful wisdom we can all learn from. rose.gif Where were you yesterday? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mybackpages @ Nov 28 2006, 09:37 AM) *



Beautiful wisdom we can all learn from. rose.gif Where were you yesterday? tongue.gif


I was too busy in my own little world (getting 'the call') and I completely missed where this thread went. I will probably be kicking myself later and wondering why I didn't just let it pass on by. laughing.gif
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QUOTE(me&mymoroccan @ Nov 28 2006, 09:50 AM) *

QUOTE(mybackpages @ Nov 28 2006, 09:37 AM) *



Beautiful wisdom we can all learn from. rose.gif Where were you yesterday? tongue.gif


I was too busy in my own little world (getting 'the call') and I completely missed where this thread went. I will probably be kicking myself later and wondering why I didn't just let it pass on by. laughing.gif


Being busy in your own little world is perfectly fine and understandable. But I think you made a positive contribution, so I hope that you won't be kicking yourself later.

Notice . . . I am not commenting on any of this either . . . reading alot with a lot of digesting going on! I am not a relationship expert by a long shot so I have a lot of work to do myself!

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