I'm confused Paula....was your case denied and this is how you fought it? I really think in a situation of returned petitions a person is wiser to listen to another person that has been through it before and won. There is no comparison to a case that has been returned as there is too one that was approved without incident. This is a very serious situation. They are not just saying prove your relationship is real they are actually telling the USCIS to revoke the petiiton based on fraud. You can't take chances at screwing this up at this point.
If I had quit my job to marry my husband all I would have had at that point is a returned petition and the impossible task of finding a co sponsor. I chose to listen to Chi's advise and now I have my true love here with me, as well as the fantastic job that would have been next to impossible to replace. Love is worth everything, but we must be adults about it as well.
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just as an FYI---
most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview.
if you happen to be one of those couples whose case was selected for denial---there is absolutley no way for you to know until the moment you recieve that LETTER. there is little chance you will be able to overcome this selection unless one is very cleaver and can proof beyond a shadow that they are indeed a bonavide couple in less than the 5 minutes allotted the beneficiary at the time of the interview. then and then it is a toss up to the state of mind the CO is in.
good luck everyone!
chi
most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview.
if you happen to be one of those couples whose case was selected for denial---there is absolutley no way for you to know until the moment you recieve that LETTER. there is little chance you will be able to overcome this selection unless one is very cleaver and can proof beyond a shadow that they are indeed a bonavide couple in less than the 5 minutes allotted the beneficiary at the time of the interview. then and then it is a toss up to the state of mind the CO is in.
good luck everyone!
chi
Why is everyone jumping on Paula? She is not trying to harm anyone.
To make it as clear as I can. Thank God, my case was not denied and I never claimed to know how to deal with that. But on the advise of my lawyer and all the investigations I tried to do on my own to figure out the best way to handle the immigration process I choose this path, which in turn cost me a job. I haven't shared all the hardships I've gone through, like some of you so you don't know my background and this might be one reason you don't respect the things I have learned throughout this hard process.
To respond to "most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview." ------------>I think you answered yourself. This is why I did it. From what I learned from the lawyer and research I wanted to show in my application our committment to the marriage. My biting the bullet to stay in Morocco as long as I did, even at the cost of losing my job with everything else we did, luckily resulted in my husband getting his visa.
Luckily financially I didn't require a co-sponser, but to be safe I had a second co-sponser, so my husband had two, one more of my many attempts to assure nothing I could've done was left undone. In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at. But we all know the cases in Morocco are not always done by the rules, or at least how we have read them. That is why I did everything humanly possible to prepare to make my husbands case go through as smoothly as possible.
Please do not think I am saying I know what to do if you are denied. And please do not take any insult in anything I say, if you have been denied, I am only trying to help. Think of it it this way, I am trying to be on your left shoulder trying to get you little ideals of different ways of looking at the process so you outside the known rules to succeed with your cases. That doesn't mean you don't have a long road in front of you, alot of homework to become an expert on the immigration rules and a lot of decisions on how to fix your cases as best you can.
Since I am only trying to help, please stop attacking me and just because my case wasn't denied doesn't mean I have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make since, why would you deny help just because I wasn't denied. If I was denied, I'd be seeking help from under every rock I could find and then I'd make rocks....
God Bless all of you and hope you are successful, but please stop attacking my attempt to help.
Paula
To respond to "most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview." ------------>I think you answered yourself. This is why I did it. From what I learned from the lawyer and research I wanted to show in my application our committment to the marriage. My biting the bullet to stay in Morocco as long as I did, even at the cost of losing my job with everything else we did, luckily resulted in my husband getting his visa.
Luckily financially I didn't require a co-sponser, but to be safe I had a second co-sponser, so my husband had two, one more of my many attempts to assure nothing I could've done was left undone. In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at. But we all know the cases in Morocco are not always done by the rules, or at least how we have read them. That is why I did everything humanly possible to prepare to make my husbands case go through as smoothly as possible.
Please do not think I am saying I know what to do if you are denied. And please do not take any insult in anything I say, if you have been denied, I am only trying to help. Think of it it this way, I am trying to be on your left shoulder trying to get you little ideals of different ways of looking at the process so you outside the known rules to succeed with your cases. That doesn't mean you don't have a long road in front of you, alot of homework to become an expert on the immigration rules and a lot of decisions on how to fix your cases as best you can.
Since I am only trying to help, please stop attacking me and just because my case wasn't denied doesn't mean I have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make since, why would you deny help just because I wasn't denied. If I was denied, I'd be seeking help from under every rock I could find and then I'd make rocks....
God Bless all of you and hope you are successful, but please stop attacking my attempt to help.
Paula
QUOTE(Visa in hand! @ Oct 16 2007, 01:37 AM) 
I'm confused Paula....was your case denied and this is how you fought it? I really think in a situation of returned petitions a person is wiser to listen to another person that has been through it before and won. There is no comparison to a case that has been returned as there is too one that was approved without incident. This is a very serious situation. They are not just saying prove your relationship is real they are actually telling the USCIS to revoke the petiiton based on fraud. You can't take chances at screwing this up at this point.
If I had quit my job to marry my husband all I would have had at that point is a returned petition and the impossible task of finding a co sponsor. I chose to listen to Chi's advise and now I have my true love here with me, as well as the fantastic job that would have been next to impossible to replace. Love is worth everything, but we must be adults about it as well.
If I had quit my job to marry my husband all I would have had at that point is a returned petition and the impossible task of finding a co sponsor. I chose to listen to Chi's advise and now I have my true love here with me, as well as the fantastic job that would have been next to impossible to replace. Love is worth everything, but we must be adults about it as well.
Paula, I am sorry that you think I am attacking you because I am not. Your response just caught me off guard because it was stated initially as if that was the solution to the problems. We are just talking about a very serious issue and we are trying to guide them the best way for the long journey ahead of them, not some quick fix. I made some pretty drastic sacrifices that would also prove our relationship was real, but we were never even given the opportunity to show any of it to the interviewer, so in my mind once you are at this stage it is pretty futile to try to prove it to the consulate anything because they have already made up their mind. If I would have quit my job I would have just one more issue that I would have to deal with once the petition was re affirmed.
If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.
My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.
I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.
Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.
If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.
My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.
I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.
Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.
QUOTE(Visa in hand! @ Oct 17 2007, 04:13 PM)
Paula, I am sorry that you think I am attacking you because I am not. Your response just caught me off guard because it was stated initially as if that was the solution to the problems. We are just talking about a very serious issue and we are trying to guide them the best way for the long journey ahead of them, not some quick fix. I made some pretty drastic sacrifices that would also prove our relationship was real, but we were never even given the opportunity to show any of it to the interviewer, so in my mind once you are at this stage it is pretty futile to try to prove it to the consulate anything because they have already made up their mind. If I would have quit my job I would have just one more issue that I would have to deal with once the petition was re affirmed.
If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.
My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.
I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.
Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.
If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.
My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.
I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.
Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.
Well you sure didn't understand what I was saying and how I was trying to help. You don't know my situation and I was not immature and infatuated so much I jumped into this. I did not quit my job, I was preapproved to go to Morocco by my employer, but I am not a fool I knew I might get burned. But in my case I had no choice or I still would've have even met my husband let alone marry. But I know now no matter how much I attempt to explain you will not be able to see no all cases are similiar.
I guess all I get for trying to help is being called immature and infaturated. For those who are needing help, just don't forget all cases are different, that you will have to prove your case, so do what is right from you and don't trust anyone as an export. Become your own export, and make your own decisions. If I had followed some of these peoples advice I would've been denied too and I don't wish that on anyone.
God Bless those trying to be with their love.
Plus please drop this train, get back to sharing ideals to help people, instead of saying you know better than someone else and that they are immature if you don't agree with them.
Back to the mission at hand, get these visas...................................
Paula
Wow you really do take things personally, so I won't even bother. You are right that no 2 cases are the same, and I don't believe I have ever said that, but yes, we owe it to do the research ourselves. You don't know our situations either, so keep that in mind as you try to bash those of us that have had denials. I did do my research, and obviously I did it well, as did Chi. We overcame our denials. Just don't discount our ideas to those that need guidance.
Nuf said..........
Nuf said..........
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Oct 16 2007, 11:50 AM)
Why is everyone jumping on Paula? She is not trying to harm anyone.
jumping on Paula?
harm?
not from me.
but the idea of quiting ones job to show the validity of ones relationship to a CO is not sound advice IMHO. thats all.
chi
QUOTE(Visa in hand! @ Oct 18 2007, 12:55 AM)
Wow you really do take things personally, so I won't even bother. You are right that no 2 cases are the same, and I don't believe I have ever said that, but yes, we owe it to do the research ourselves. You don't know our situations either, so keep that in mind as you try to bash those of us that have had denials. I did do my research, and obviously I did it well, as did Chi. We overcame our denials. Just don't discount our ideas to those that need guidance.
Nuf said..........
Nuf said..........
yes, it appears that way to me as well. one need not take all that is said and done to heart.
no offense meant to ANYONE.
chi
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 18 2007, 12:03 AM)
QUOTE(Visa in hand! @ Oct 17 2007, 04:13 PM)
Paula, I am sorry that you think I am attacking you because I am not. Your response just caught me off guard because it was stated initially as if that was the solution to the problems. We are just talking about a very serious issue and we are trying to guide them the best way for the long journey ahead of them, not some quick fix. I made some pretty drastic sacrifices that would also prove our relationship was real, but we were never even given the opportunity to show any of it to the interviewer, so in my mind once you are at this stage it is pretty futile to try to prove it to the consulate anything because they have already made up their mind. If I would have quit my job I would have just one more issue that I would have to deal with once the petition was re affirmed.
If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.
My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.
I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.
Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.
If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.
My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.
I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.
Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.
Well you sure didn't understand what I was saying and how I was trying to help. You don't know my situation and I was not immature and infatuated so much I jumped into this. I did not quit my job, I was preapproved to go to Morocco by my employer, but I am not a fool I knew I might get burned. But in my case I had no choice or I still would've have even met my husband let alone marry. But I know now no matter how much I attempt to explain you will not be able to see no all cases are similiar.
I guess all I get for trying to help is being called immature and infaturated. For those who are needing help, just don't forget all cases are different, that you will have to prove your case, so do what is right from you and don't trust anyone as an export. Become your own export, and make your own decisions. If I had followed some of these peoples advice I would've been denied too and I don't wish that on anyone.
God Bless those trying to be with their love.
Plus please drop this train, get back to sharing ideals to help people, instead of saying you know better than someone else and that they are immature if you don't agree with them.
Back to the mission at hand, get these visas...................................
Paula
Paula please stop taking things said so personal. she never said you were immature and infatuated. somehow it appears you read into more than what is actually said. no one here is an expert. yet there are those of us who have been down the road of denial and therefore can offer suggestions as what the couple will be facing in their trip down this nightmare road. this is all we offer. we dont claim to know it all. i can only give my experience. where is yours? as sincere as your advice is--it is still not the wisest choice to make when faced with a denial.
everyone can glean suggestions from all of our experiences here on VJ. that why VJ is here. you can always give your experience and be helpful in many areas of the immigration process. however, denial is one road you have not been down so i can see why you may not understand why your advice in that area might not be helpful or even wise sometimes.
once it again you may need to look at why you take this particular subject so personal.
chi
[quote name='ohiobuck' date='Oct 16 2007, 03:58 PM' post='1261536']
To make it as clear as I can. Thank God, my case was not denied and I never claimed to know how to deal with that. But on the advise of my lawyer and all the investigations I tried to do on my own to figure out the best way to handle the immigration process I choose this path, which in turn cost me a job. I haven't shared all the hardships I've gone through, like some of you so you don't know my background and this might be one reason you don't respect the things I have learned throughout this hard process.
To respond to "most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview." ------------>I think you answered yourself. This is why I did it. From what I learned from the lawyer and research I wanted to show in my application our committment to the marriage. My biting the bullet to stay in Morocco as long as I did, even at the cost of losing my job with everything else we did, luckily resulted in my husband getting his visa.
Luckily financially I didn't require a co-sponser, but to be safe I had a second co-sponser, so my husband had two, one more of my many attempts to assure nothing I could've done was left undone. In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at. But we all know the cases in Morocco are not always done by the rules, or at least how we have read them. That is why I did everything humanly possible to prepare to make my husbands case go through as smoothly as possible.
Please do not think I am saying I know what to do if you are denied. And please do not take any insult in anything I say, if you have been denied, I am only trying to help. Think of it it this way, I am trying to be on your left shoulder trying to get you little ideals of different ways of looking at the process so you outside the known rules to succeed with your cases. That doesn't mean you don't have a long road in front of you, alot of homework to become an expert on the immigration rules and a lot of decisions on how to fix your cases as best you can.
Since I am only trying to help, please stop attacking me and just because my case wasn't denied doesn't mean I have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make since, why would you deny help just because I wasn't denied. If I was denied, I'd be seeking help from under every rock I could find and then I'd make rocks....
God Bless all of you and hope you are successful, but please stop attacking my attempt to help.
Paula
once again Paula you are wearing your emotions on your sleeves. i cannot see anyone attacting you. no one is insulting you either. actually you are doing the blaming>>>>
In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at.
quite a harsh statement---who is attacking who?
however...
if you want to share your difficult immigration experience on VJ that is a great idea!
many of us have found most immigration attorneys have no clue as to how to handle denied cases. yet we paid dearly for this help. many also "paid" for attorneys to file their petitions and were still denied. many couples paid dearly and got nothing. how is this NOT preparing?
like you stated no one knows the problems many have gone through regarding their case. you mention no one knows or understands how much you went through. i am sure Paula there are many of us who do understand. but this is not the issue here. the issue is how to deal with a 'denial'. how more simple can it me said? no one is discounting your experience at all. the problem is you have none when it comes to having your case denied----thank God for that too!
you certainly may offer up your ideas and suggestions but those of us who have been there and done it will come and offer up our experience based on such. the only thing i disagreed with you on is quiting ones job. bad suggestion. who is going to pay all the fees and costs relating to a denied case??? come on, let's have some common sense here.
chi
To make it as clear as I can. Thank God, my case was not denied and I never claimed to know how to deal with that. But on the advise of my lawyer and all the investigations I tried to do on my own to figure out the best way to handle the immigration process I choose this path, which in turn cost me a job. I haven't shared all the hardships I've gone through, like some of you so you don't know my background and this might be one reason you don't respect the things I have learned throughout this hard process.
To respond to "most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview." ------------>I think you answered yourself. This is why I did it. From what I learned from the lawyer and research I wanted to show in my application our committment to the marriage. My biting the bullet to stay in Morocco as long as I did, even at the cost of losing my job with everything else we did, luckily resulted in my husband getting his visa.
Luckily financially I didn't require a co-sponser, but to be safe I had a second co-sponser, so my husband had two, one more of my many attempts to assure nothing I could've done was left undone. In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at. But we all know the cases in Morocco are not always done by the rules, or at least how we have read them. That is why I did everything humanly possible to prepare to make my husbands case go through as smoothly as possible.
Please do not think I am saying I know what to do if you are denied. And please do not take any insult in anything I say, if you have been denied, I am only trying to help. Think of it it this way, I am trying to be on your left shoulder trying to get you little ideals of different ways of looking at the process so you outside the known rules to succeed with your cases. That doesn't mean you don't have a long road in front of you, alot of homework to become an expert on the immigration rules and a lot of decisions on how to fix your cases as best you can.
Since I am only trying to help, please stop attacking me and just because my case wasn't denied doesn't mean I have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make since, why would you deny help just because I wasn't denied. If I was denied, I'd be seeking help from under every rock I could find and then I'd make rocks....
God Bless all of you and hope you are successful, but please stop attacking my attempt to help.
Paula
once again Paula you are wearing your emotions on your sleeves. i cannot see anyone attacting you. no one is insulting you either. actually you are doing the blaming>>>>
In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at.
quite a harsh statement---who is attacking who?
however...
if you want to share your difficult immigration experience on VJ that is a great idea!
many of us have found most immigration attorneys have no clue as to how to handle denied cases. yet we paid dearly for this help. many also "paid" for attorneys to file their petitions and were still denied. many couples paid dearly and got nothing. how is this NOT preparing?
like you stated no one knows the problems many have gone through regarding their case. you mention no one knows or understands how much you went through. i am sure Paula there are many of us who do understand. but this is not the issue here. the issue is how to deal with a 'denial'. how more simple can it me said? no one is discounting your experience at all. the problem is you have none when it comes to having your case denied----thank God for that too!
you certainly may offer up your ideas and suggestions but those of us who have been there and done it will come and offer up our experience based on such. the only thing i disagreed with you on is quiting ones job. bad suggestion. who is going to pay all the fees and costs relating to a denied case??? come on, let's have some common sense here.
chi
chiquita
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Nov 6 2007, 04:30 PM)
chiquita
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
Sorry, I know I haven't been around in a while... but I couldn't resist!
How DARE you, Chi!!!!!
QUOTE(limah @ Nov 7 2007, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Nov 6 2007, 04:30 PM)
chiquita
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
Sorry, I know I haven't been around in a while... but I couldn't resist!
How DARE you, Chi!!!!!
yeah i know.
help me out here Limah!!!
ask Paula to bounce ideas around so you can get your husband here. keep plugging away---as if that helps. she just doesn't get it.
no one who is denied whats to play games. they want facts. the want answers. not games. this is serious stuff dealing with real humans lives. my gosh most immigration attorneys have no experience with denied cases yet Paula has the answers.
Paula how many PM's do you get asking deperately for help in their case? i get them quite regularly. i am deeply appreciative to be able to help any and all couples get through the nightmare of denail. i dont get how you can be so cavalier about it. since it has not happened to you i am wondering if you feel you should have gone through it so you could be of service to others. just seems that way.
look i wish you would get off my case. i am in no way opposed to any one helping another. but some of your suggestions are such a joke. bounching ideas??? these people need real help Paula not suggestions. dang. you insult yourself my dear.
if you see and feel that i am not here to help denied couples---REPORT me and get off my back! i have no more time for your low self esteem issues. i have tried to be nice but you just dont give up attacking me. this is my last reply to you. anything further PM me and report me.
chi
QUOTE(chiquita @ Nov 10 2007, 10:51 PM)
QUOTE(limah @ Nov 7 2007, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Nov 6 2007, 04:30 PM)
chiquita
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.
Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.
For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.
In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.
For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.
God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.
Paula
Sorry, I know I haven't been around in a while... but I couldn't resist!
How DARE you, Chi!!!!!
yeah i know.
help me out here Limah!!!
ask Paula to bounce ideas around so you can get your husband here. keep plugging away---as if that helps. she just doesn't get it.
no one who is denied whats to play games. they want facts. they want answers. not games. this is serious stuff dealing with real humans lives. my gosh most immigration attorneys have no experience with denied cases yet Paula has the answers.
Paula how many PM's do you get asking deperately for help in their case? i get them quite regularly. i am deeply appreciative to be able to help any and all couples get through the nightmare of denial. i dont get how you can be so cavalier about it. since it has not happened to you i am wondering if you feel you should have gone through it so you could be of service to others. just seems that way.
look i wish you would get off my case. i am in no way opposed to any one helping another. but some of your suggestions are such a joke. bounching ideas??? these people need real help Paula not suggestions. dang. you insult yourself my dear.
if you see and feel that i am not here to help denied couples---REPORT me and get off my back! i have no more time for your low self esteem issues. i have tried to be nice but you just dont give up attacking me. this is my last reply to you. anything further PM me and report me.
chi
i wish these useless conversations could be deleted...lets get back on track discussing the REAL issue >>>>>>>>>>>>
RETURNED CASE TO USCIS!!!
and leave the personal attacks elsewhere. if some one knows about these types of case by all means>>>>>>>>>>
HELP THESE COUPLES.
but do it in concrete ways.
what is the next step they need to take?
what should they be doing until their case is fianlly resolved?
K 1 are now allowed to expire and the OP is told to refile if they want to. what does that mean??
what can the couple do now to help their case?
there are so many issues here that need to be resolved.
yet time and time again the couple goes into a state of shock over what just happened to them. they are clueless and kept in the dark by the DOS. what can they do to get answers?
and on and on....
chi
oh and BTW....my immigration process is DONE. i am not here seeking help. i am here to help those who request it. i do not claim to be an expert. my only claim is DENIAL happened to us and we fought back....sometimes blindly and we won. i have met many couples who suffered the same fate. some have their men by their side and many more are still waiting to have that happen to them. ask them about me.
Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Nov 10 2007, 10:01 PM)
Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Nov 10 2007, 11:01 PM)
Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
perhaps you should read the whole thread before you condem me. her suggestions were ridiculous to say the least. (quiting your job????) so if anyone who has been denied and wants her help i say go for it. i am not here for the drama. never have never will. i merely post what i know not what i guess.
so for all those denied a visa>>>>
ask Paula and Sarah...they have the kindest gentlest advice for you.
for those who want the cold hard facts of overcoming a denial>>>>
i shall continue to answer you with truth and valid ways to overcome and get your loved one here.
there are you both happy now?
chi
QUOTE(chiquita @ Nov 11 2007, 09:30 AM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Nov 10 2007, 11:01 PM)
Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.
Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.
Congratulations on your PM's.
perhaps you should read the whole thread before you condem me. her suggestions were ridiculous to say the least. (quiting your job????) so if anyone who has been denied and wants her help i say go for it. i am not here for the drama. never have never will. i merely post what i know not what i guess.
so for all those denied a visa>>>>
ask Paula and Sarah...they have the kindest gentlest advice for you.
for those who want the cold hard facts of overcoming a denial>>>>
i shall continue to answer you with truth and valid ways to overcome and get your loved one here.
there are you both happy now?
chi
Oh my Gosh!
Why can't everyone be helpful? What kind of award are you looking for here?
Do you really think that Paula or myself are trying to hinder someone's chances at getting their visa? I never said I am an expert, especially in returned petitions but it just seems like you absolutely will not accept anyone trying to help besides yourself. It's a bit strange.
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Oh my Gosh!
YES---THAT IS MY NAME---SPELLED DIFFERNT THOUGH
Why can't everyone be helpful?
EVERYONE CAN BE HELPFUL
What kind of award are you looking for here?
THE BEST ONE OF ALL----COUPLE GETS A VISA!!!!!
Do you really think that Paula or myself are trying to hinder someone's chances at getting their visa?
I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO HELP THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED A VISA AND MAY NOT KNOW THAT YOUR ADVICE IS NOT CORRECT. REMEMBER THIS IS NOT ABOUT GETTING A VISA---IT IS ABOUT COUPLES WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED A VISA. TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS.
I never said I am an expert, especially in returned petitions
ME EITHER. JUST BEEN THROUGH IT AND LEARNED A LOT. I ALSO KEEP UP TO DATE ON THE LATEST WITH RETURNED CASES.
but it just seems like you absolutely will not accept anyone trying to help besides yourself.
I TREASURE ANYONE WHO CAN BE OF HELP TO THESE COUPLES. BAD ADVICE IN ANY SITUATION IS A PET PEEVE FOR ME. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO HELP DENIED COUPLES BESIDES MYSELF. THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH ME, SO WHY DO YOU?
It's a bit strange.
ONLY YOU HAVE SAID SO----STRANGE INDEED.
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now to answer>>>
i thought the thread was about returned petitions.
excuse me.
anyone can help anyone Sarah.
i am the one under attack. not you. not Paula. re read the thread. she attacks me. for what reason? what have i done to her? nothing. although she goes on and on how i failed to understand what she went through in her visa journey. as i read her story it is true she did go through a lot. but why is so important for me to understand?? i sympathize with what she went through but her man is here. how happy is that? wonderfully happy in my opinion!!! she feels like i have never liked her. dang. i cant get it right with her and i am not trying to either. accept my sympathy and move on.
i am here to help those who have been DENIED. that is all. if someone is going to post a falsehood on this subject or post some very bad advice i am going to respond. plain and simple. if it is not liked i dont care. popularity has never been an issue with me. facts and truth are more important to me.
i know what these couples are feeling. do you???
i know what it feels like to have my government treat me like a criminal without a trial. do you???
i know the anguish of trying to find out what the he$$ happened. do you???
do you know the next step to take once you realize you have been denied??? yes, realize is the word becasue the CO does not tell the truth to the benificary.
this process is crazy to say the least. offer up all your advice. offer up all your suggestions. you are entitled to help any and all that you want to. no one can stop you. but let me tell you one thing---if it is not true or incorrect---trust me---i'll be right here to say so. i dont care who likes it. i am not going to let a couple suffer more anguish with incorrect info!!!!!!!! plain and simple.
BTW---your attacks will NEVER stop me from helping these couples. i know all the theories out there on why a couple gets denied. total bunk. there is no reason in MOST cases.
if you only knew this is a political game that DOS is playing ith USCIS. USCIS approves the petition and sends it off to DOS. DOS decides they want to readjuducate what USCIS has done and returns the case for revocation. USCIS reaffirms the case and tells DOS to issue the visa!!! ummm...no where is the denied couple a parter to this to and fro. but you both already knew this, right?
a couple could be denied based on what the CO reads in the case prior to the interview----clue to predetermined denial---CO refuses to want to see proof of relationship. he/she has predetermined they will deny the couple based on their own preconceived ideas. but you knew that too.
just though i would throw those in for the couples who are going through the process so they can be on the look out for clues during the interview.
oh and for couples denied K 1's through California>>>>
all you can do at the moment is refile. CSC is no longer sending out NOIR's (notice of intent to revoke)
for couples who filed through Vermont>>>>>
you are SOOL...they sit on them and ignore them claiming returned cases are NOT a priority.
i know you and Paula know this too but i thought it would be nice to post it as an FYI for those who dont know.
chi
PS
done done done!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my Gosh!
YES---THAT IS MY NAME---SPELLED DIFFERNT THOUGH
Why can't everyone be helpful?
EVERYONE CAN BE HELPFUL
What kind of award are you looking for here?
THE BEST ONE OF ALL----COUPLE GETS A VISA!!!!!
Do you really think that Paula or myself are trying to hinder someone's chances at getting their visa?
I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO HELP THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED A VISA AND MAY NOT KNOW THAT YOUR ADVICE IS NOT CORRECT. REMEMBER THIS IS NOT ABOUT GETTING A VISA---IT IS ABOUT COUPLES WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED A VISA. TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS.
I never said I am an expert, especially in returned petitions
ME EITHER. JUST BEEN THROUGH IT AND LEARNED A LOT. I ALSO KEEP UP TO DATE ON THE LATEST WITH RETURNED CASES.
but it just seems like you absolutely will not accept anyone trying to help besides yourself.
I TREASURE ANYONE WHO CAN BE OF HELP TO THESE COUPLES. BAD ADVICE IN ANY SITUATION IS A PET PEEVE FOR ME. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO HELP DENIED COUPLES BESIDES MYSELF. THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH ME, SO WHY DO YOU?
It's a bit strange.
ONLY YOU HAVE SAID SO----STRANGE INDEED.
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now to answer>>>
i thought the thread was about returned petitions.
excuse me.
anyone can help anyone Sarah.
i am the one under attack. not you. not Paula. re read the thread. she attacks me. for what reason? what have i done to her? nothing. although she goes on and on how i failed to understand what she went through in her visa journey. as i read her story it is true she did go through a lot. but why is so important for me to understand?? i sympathize with what she went through but her man is here. how happy is that? wonderfully happy in my opinion!!! she feels like i have never liked her. dang. i cant get it right with her and i am not trying to either. accept my sympathy and move on.
i am here to help those who have been DENIED. that is all. if someone is going to post a falsehood on this subject or post some very bad advice i am going to respond. plain and simple. if it is not liked i dont care. popularity has never been an issue with me. facts and truth are more important to me.
i know what these couples are feeling. do you???
i know what it feels like to have my government treat me like a criminal without a trial. do you???
i know the anguish of trying to find out what the he$$ happened. do you???
do you know the next step to take once you realize you have been denied??? yes, realize is the word becasue the CO does not tell the truth to the benificary.
this process is crazy to say the least. offer up all your advice. offer up all your suggestions. you are entitled to help any and all that you want to. no one can stop you. but let me tell you one thing---if it is not true or incorrect---trust me---i'll be right here to say so. i dont care who likes it. i am not going to let a couple suffer more anguish with incorrect info!!!!!!!! plain and simple.
BTW---your attacks will NEVER stop me from helping these couples. i know all the theories out there on why a couple gets denied. total bunk. there is no reason in MOST cases.
if you only knew this is a political game that DOS is playing ith USCIS. USCIS approves the petition and sends it off to DOS. DOS decides they want to readjuducate what USCIS has done and returns the case for revocation. USCIS reaffirms the case and tells DOS to issue the visa!!! ummm...no where is the denied couple a parter to this to and fro. but you both already knew this, right?
a couple could be denied based on what the CO reads in the case prior to the interview----clue to predetermined denial---CO refuses to want to see proof of relationship. he/she has predetermined they will deny the couple based on their own preconceived ideas. but you knew that too.
just though i would throw those in for the couples who are going through the process so they can be on the look out for clues during the interview.
oh and for couples denied K 1's through California>>>>
all you can do at the moment is refile. CSC is no longer sending out NOIR's (notice of intent to revoke)
for couples who filed through Vermont>>>>>
you are SOOL...they sit on them and ignore them claiming returned cases are NOT a priority.
i know you and Paula know this too but i thought it would be nice to post it as an FYI for those who dont know.
chi
PS
done done done!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, you win. I give up. You don't get it.
Yeah this is getting really old. I don't see what the purpose of discussing ways to prove your case once it has been denied. It was denied, they don't give you another chance at the consulate until you follow certain procedures. I know that when I was denied I had all of the same proof that I won our case with in the end. What I needed to know was why it happened, and what comes next. There are certain steps that a person can and must take. Bouncing ideas back and forth on what you should have done has no bearing on this except for the people who haven't reached this stage yet. Those are the ones that are helped with your ideas, the ones that haven't been denied yet. Although quiting ones job and moving to another country is a bit extreme, and should only be done by those who have the means to live while not being paid, and that have people that are willing to be a co sponsor. What is coming, what you must do...that is what these people need to know.
Sarah, I realize that Paula gave you some good advice, and you are rightfully grateful to her. You however did not have a case that warranted a deeper review. Obviously neither did Paula. Just be grateful to those who helped with the processes of a normal application. We are not discounting any ones advice on any of this. We are simply giving solid guidelines to what they need to plan on in the case of returned petitions.
Hopefully this will be the end of the personal attacks so we can get back to purpose of this thread.
Sarah, I realize that Paula gave you some good advice, and you are rightfully grateful to her. You however did not have a case that warranted a deeper review. Obviously neither did Paula. Just be grateful to those who helped with the processes of a normal application. We are not discounting any ones advice on any of this. We are simply giving solid guidelines to what they need to plan on in the case of returned petitions.
Hopefully this will be the end of the personal attacks so we can get back to purpose of this thread.
mmmmk.
Salaam Everyone,
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
This is truly great news, congratulations.
Our second interview was very different from the first. No questions asked at all. They just wanted updated I-864, police report, medical. Once they had it all he was issued the visa. I hope your second interview goes as easy as ours did.
Our second interview was very different from the first. No questions asked at all. They just wanted updated I-864, police report, medical. Once they had it all he was issued the visa. I hope your second interview goes as easy as ours did.
QUOTE(Driss & Iysha @ Dec 5 2007, 05:10 PM)
Salaam Everyone,
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
Wowwww that is fantastic news !!! I am so glad to hear you are back on track. Insha'allah you will get an interview date very soon.
Wishing you a simple, speedy trip this time through Casa and all the way home !
-MK
QUOTE(Kiya @ Feb 27 2006, 11:03 PM)
I am protesting...I want this issue pinned! 
Petitions Returned to the United States
More and more this is how Morocco is handling visa petitions, and it does not matter the amount of proof of relationship you provide. We need a central place to review/share extremely important information to help ourselves and others going through this issue. Possibly even prevent this from happening to others in the future.
I will gladly create a legible, credible, and searchable compilation of all immigration guidelines surrounding petition return/revocation, research, etc. if VJ would commit to pinning this issue for us. Even if it is only in the ME/NA forum...PIN IT PLEASE?????
~Kiya~
Petitions Returned to the United States
More and more this is how Morocco is handling visa petitions, and it does not matter the amount of proof of relationship you provide. We need a central place to review/share extremely important information to help ourselves and others going through this issue. Possibly even prevent this from happening to others in the future.
I will gladly create a legible, credible, and searchable compilation of all immigration guidelines surrounding petition return/revocation, research, etc. if VJ would commit to pinning this issue for us. Even if it is only in the ME/NA forum...PIN IT PLEASE?????
~Kiya~ its happened to us too. with no answer since they claim to have recived it back aug 30th . same person she didnt even listen to him had her mind made up before he got there. iam lost in red tape i dont know what to do now . wait for a answer ? file another k 1? go there marry in hope like hell they dont keep him from me?
I am so sorry to hear what you are going through. MaryandAtif have sent you to the right place. They had this happen and acted quickly, which got the consulate to change their minds. We had it happen, and at that time not enough people on this board really understood what happened so it took several months before we figured it out. It took us an additional 15 months to get him here after his initial interview.
One way or the other just hang in there. We can all help you through this.
One way or the other just hang in there. We can all help you through this.
QUOTE(Driss & Iysha @ Dec 5 2007, 06:10 PM)
Salaam Everyone,
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
wooo hooooo doing the
with you!!!!!!!!!!!!please keep us updated on how it goes!!!!!!!!
i am so very happy to hear this news!!!!!
there is now new hope for others!!
chi
its happened to us too. with no answer since they claim to have recived it back aug 30th . same person she didnt even listen to him had her mind made up before he got there. iam lost in red tape i dont know what to do now . wait for a answer ? file another k 1? go there marry in hope like hell they dont keep him from me?
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hi
can you tell more about your case?
when was the interview?
you case is now back at USCIS? how did you find this info out?
what service center approved your petition?
do you have any idea as to why your case as returned? do you have any red flags?
i am sure we can help you.
chi
Thanks Chiquita for the kind words. 
To Ms Burton:
Here's a link to information regarding the Freedom of Information Act, to release records for a denied/sent back for review Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00045f3d6a1RCRD
Here's the link to the Form G-639 for requesting consular notes on your Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/g-639.pdf
Once you are armed with the consular notes on why the petition was sent back, you will be able to more effectively rebut and appeal the denial, but bear in mind that sometimes USCIS re-approves petitions without having to appeal or rebut.
Regards,
Iysha
To Ms Burton:
Here's a link to information regarding the Freedom of Information Act, to release records for a denied/sent back for review Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00045f3d6a1RCRD
Here's the link to the Form G-639 for requesting consular notes on your Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/g-639.pdf
Once you are armed with the consular notes on why the petition was sent back, you will be able to more effectively rebut and appeal the denial, but bear in mind that sometimes USCIS re-approves petitions without having to appeal or rebut.
Regards,
Iysha
QUOTE(Driss & Iysha @ Dec 5 2007, 06:10 PM)
Salaam Everyone,
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.
Happy Holidays to All,
Iysha
Iysha
i am not sure if i told you about our second interview so here goes>>>
we were scheduled for 8 am. husband had once again all of our proofs to establish a valid relationship.
we had the blonde. she kept reading our file then closing the shade. mind you our file was huge by now---there was the first set of proofs set in to USCIS prior to them receiving our returned K 3. then there was a second set that i sent in for the NOIR. not to mention almost another year of proofs and letters galore from those who know us.
finally she told my husband to go get me. she wanted me to understand what was going on. she apologized profusely over again and again for what we had gone through. she said she was sending us to sthrough ecurity name checks. since this was now for the IR (we had been maried by this time more than 2 years) i asked why. OMG!!!!!!!!! she flipped out saying she was the consular chief and she could do what she wants to do. all i asked was why since this was not the K 3 non immigrant petition. i was under the impression that we had already gone through all the security checks.
we fianlly left the consulate about noon. this is how long it took for her to read and to talk to us.
so we waited another 3 months for these to clear. my husband's name is Mohamed and it has been said it takes longer with this name----it did for us.
i think the second interview is cut and dried. they make sure they have all the correct papers and then send maybe send you through security checks again. keep in mind you are not allowed inside the consulate unless they ask for you to come in. it is debatable whether you really need to be there. i was not going to miss it. if it turned out bad then at least we would be togther this time.
i wish you a positive out come with your next interview!!
chi
QUOTE(Driss & Iysha @ Dec 15 2007, 09:57 AM)
Thanks Chiquita for the kind words.
To Ms Burton:
Here's a link to information regarding the Freedom of Information Act, to release records for a denied/sent back for review Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00045f3d6a1RCRD
Here's the link to the Form G-639 for requesting consular notes on your Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/g-639.pdf
Once you are armed with the consular notes on why the petition was sent back, you will be able to more effectively rebut and appeal the denial, but bear in mind that sometimes USCIS re-approves petitions without having to appeal or rebut.
Regards,
Iysha
To Ms Burton:
Here's a link to information regarding the Freedom of Information Act, to release records for a denied/sent back for review Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00045f3d6a1RCRD
Here's the link to the Form G-639 for requesting consular notes on your Petition:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/g-639.pdf
Once you are armed with the consular notes on why the petition was sent back, you will be able to more effectively rebut and appeal the denial, but bear in mind that sometimes USCIS re-approves petitions without having to appeal or rebut.
Regards,
Iysha
I am so happy for you
Thanks for the congrats Water is Wide.
Chiquita, I JUST read your post today regarding the second interview experience. I want you to know that I really appreciate all your insight, advice, and experience; It's an invaluable resource! I can't believe that blonde lady got upset and flashed her status because you asked why you needed to have security checks again....I think sometimes they are ego-trippin'.
I have some semi-bad news; Even though I was told at the November '07 infopass that our K1 was reaffirmed, it's STILL sitting at USCIS California Service Center, and they haven't updated the status in the online tracking, so it's still listed as currently being reviewed. I hope we didn't get a hot piece of misinformation from Infopass. They said that I'll hear something from USCIS by the end of this month, but we don't really trust what they say anymore. I contacted the same Senator that helped us before, to see what's really going on. I've heard that CSC is still closing K1's to date, as it recently just happened to another member.
I plan to stay awhile in Morocco from January20 -March31, so I hope they make their minds up by then because if it really is reaffirmed, then I'd like to be present for the interview, and if it winds up getting closed, we'd love to put this whole K1 thingie behind us, go on with our lives, and finally get married in Fes!
Happy New Year Peeps,
Iysha
Chiquita, I JUST read your post today regarding the second interview experience. I want you to know that I really appreciate all your insight, advice, and experience; It's an invaluable resource! I can't believe that blonde lady got upset and flashed her status because you asked why you needed to have security checks again....I think sometimes they are ego-trippin'.
I have some semi-bad news; Even though I was told at the November '07 infopass that our K1 was reaffirmed, it's STILL sitting at USCIS California Service Center, and they haven't updated the status in the online tracking, so it's still listed as currently being reviewed. I hope we didn't get a hot piece of misinformation from Infopass. They said that I'll hear something from USCIS by the end of this month, but we don't really trust what they say anymore. I contacted the same Senator that helped us before, to see what's really going on. I've heard that CSC is still closing K1's to date, as it recently just happened to another member.
I plan to stay awhile in Morocco from January20 -March31, so I hope they make their minds up by then because if it really is reaffirmed, then I'd like to be present for the interview, and if it winds up getting closed, we'd love to put this whole K1 thingie behind us, go on with our lives, and finally get married in Fes!
Happy New Year Peeps,
Iysha
Iyesha- I hope everything works out for you two. I have my fingers crossed that they didn't give you the wrong info. Have a wonderful trip to Morocco!
Sarah
Sarah
Hey all. I haven't been on VJ in a while. So all I am pretty much doing is giving a quick hello to the folks I used to communicate with.
For the people that are still waiting..........Good luck.
For the people that will be reunited very soon........... ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME!
For the people that are lost and confused I hope you find your way!
Limah
For the people that are still waiting..........Good luck.
For the people that will be reunited very soon........... ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME!
For the people that are lost and confused I hope you find your way!
Limah
QUOTE(limah @ Jan 20 2008, 05:47 AM)
Hey all. I haven't been on VJ in a while. So all I am pretty much doing is giving a quick hello to the folks I used to communicate with.
For the people that are still waiting..........Good luck.
For the people that will be reunited very soon........... ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME!
For the people that are lost and confused I hope you find your way!
Limah
For the people that are still waiting..........Good luck.
For the people that will be reunited very soon........... ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME!
For the people that are lost and confused I hope you find your way!
Limah
hey Limah!
good to hear form you. any news?
chi
Has anybody had success ,addressing the red flags, in thier original petition and got approved? If not, how did you find out why petition was sent back? Or did you? I heard FOIA is worthless. You send it in and it takes a year to get results with no answer. So how do you find out why they denied at consulate leveL? Would really like to know.
I have heard the same about FOIA. I'd started to inquire about a year ago and decided against it because I heard it ties the case up even more. For the peopel that did fond out the specific reason why their case was returned, I feel like its their hard work in not giving up until they get it. I haven't found out. I can only assume why my husbands case was returned.
For the folks that did find out, hopefully they will be along shortly to let you know what they did. I gave up on trying to find out "why" a long time ago. Besides I hear that once you are issued the NOIR/NOID, the reason is on that letter.
Am I wrong about that people?
Limah
For the folks that did find out, hopefully they will be along shortly to let you know what they did. I gave up on trying to find out "why" a long time ago. Besides I hear that once you are issued the NOIR/NOID, the reason is on that letter.
Am I wrong about that people?
Limah
We submitted a FOIA and their response was that they can't give the reasons for a denial, that itis confidential. We had enough suspicions of what the reasons for our return was, but the NOID didn't address it, rather it stated basic reasons that would apply to the majority of the applicants. In our rebuttal I covered what was stated on the NOID as the reason, but I went further and addressed everything, including the main reason. I believe I was correct in my assumption because their were notations on the file in the section that addressed what I suspected, but wasn't specified on the NOID.
BTW, we have gone through the entire process, and my husband was finally awarded a visa. There a a handful of others that have overcome this as well. If you relationship is real and you can stick through this nightmare you can overcome it.
Now that I think of it I don't think Kiyah ever knew that exact reason for her return but she overcame it just recently.
BTW, we have gone through the entire process, and my husband was finally awarded a visa. There a a handful of others that have overcome this as well. If you relationship is real and you can stick through this nightmare you can overcome it.
Now that I think of it I don't think Kiyah ever knew that exact reason for her return but she overcame it just recently.
QUOTE(2ond journey @ Jan 26 2008, 07:33 PM)
Has anybody had success ,addressing the red flags, in thier original petition and got approved? If not, how did you find out why petition was sent back? Or did you? I heard FOIA is worthless. You send it in and it takes a year to get results with no answer. So how do you find out why they denied at consulate leveL? Would really like to know.
i did address our red flag---age--in the original petition but was denied anyway.
i never found out the real reason our case was returned other than the blanket response "due to the validity of the relationship" was all that was given to Senator Levin's staff.
i didnt bother with a FOIA--i was way to naive back then. i thought it would be resolved quickly and my husband would be here in no time.
the NOIR was non specific. it said "it appears he is NOT eligible based on this law and that law". nothing concrete was in the NOIR. it said i had 30 days to respond. i did. i addressed their quoted law and more. Marc was generous in giving me the one little section of immigration law that most likely cinched it---that the CO must inform the couple WHY they cant have that visa!
now let me tell you what i think happened and why we were denied. it was about noon by the time my husband was called upon. the CO asked like 5 questions and said he needed more info from America. my husband thought i must have missed something. so he accepted it. husband asked how long it would take, CO said less than 3 months. husband hops on train and calls me when he gets home. it is a days journey to get home. i find out the next day what happened. i was so upset.
20/20 hindsight---the CO never asked for the proof we had assembled to establish we had a valid relationship as required. husband was side tracked by the CO stating he needed more information. bottom line---CO failed to ask husband for proof---husband had it in briefcase---CO must have thought he was an idiot and came to interview with no proof and returned our case.
there is so much more i could surmise but i wont. i have since learned so much since then. there is no way one will ever know the WHY unless it is found out by accident as has happened to one couple. so there is no need to put all the effort in that area. the effort after a denial needs to go into providing the proof that your relationship is indeed a valid one. real relationships cannot endure this return process. it is so tough on valid ones -- i cant even imagine a fake one lasting.
my husband is here with me now and each day is brand new for us. we take nothing for granted. i hear from couples who cant believe their rights have been violated. no rights have been violated. i am asked where is the family unification? how can a CO keep a family apart? i dont have the answers. i only know that if the couple love each other and are willing to fight to be together---then one day they will be on American soil. real couples suffer for a few who try to come to America illegally. this is why some have a longer time to wait. its called FRAUD. it will never stop. i appreciate the jobs CO have. i just dont agree with some of their tactics. on the day of my husbands second interview the CO apologized profusely for all that we had been through. it was greatly appreciated to hear those words.
chi
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Hey everyone my name is Carolyn you can count me in , I know just how you feel, we got the lovely 221g when we did ours and then our papers just set and exspired and the woman at the consulante never wanted to see proof that My husband then had , now we are married and we did that this last summer , I was beyond angry before and got no where, they never asked for anything it just sat there n matter how many times I called . so you can count on my support.
Carolyn
Hey everyone my name is Carolyn you can count me in , I know just how you feel, we got the lovely 221g when we did ours and then our papers just set and exspired and the woman at the consulante never wanted to see proof that My husband then had , now we are married and we did that this last summer , I was beyond angry before and got no where, they never asked for anything it just sat there n matter how many times I called . so you can count on my support.
Carolyn
QUOTE(rct @ Feb 1 2008, 10:19 PM)
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Hey everyone my name is Carolyn you can count me in , I know just how you feel, we got the lovely 221g when we did ours and then our papers just set and exspired and the woman at the consulante never wanted to see proof that My husband then had , now we are married and we did that this last summer , I was beyond angry before and got no where, they never asked for anything it just sat there n matter how many times I called . so you can count on my support.
Carolyn
Hey everyone my name is Carolyn you can count me in , I know just how you feel, we got the lovely 221g when we did ours and then our papers just set and exspired and the woman at the consulante never wanted to see proof that My husband then had , now we are married and we did that this last summer , I was beyond angry before and got no where, they never asked for anything it just sat there n matter how many times I called . so you can count on my support.
Carolyn
hi Carolyn
can you give us a status of your case?
chi
Folks Count me as well, my vote is with you
Hi folks, last week they again called me for the interview and after interogating me almost 30 minutes they refused my case and said that they are going to send my case back to USCIS and also got all my submitted evidence and documents back along with the same horrible blue sheet 221(g) mentioned reason "Recomandation revokation" something like this.
They asked me again lots of personal questions yes no doubt few of them I missed but I answered most of questions.
Anyway can anybody guide me what to do next, can my wife file a new case or it is over...? what to do ....
I dont know what type of evidence they require, she said, all the emails you provided to us is one sent by your wife to you, there is not email evidence you sent to her when I said that we never send to many mails to each other and specially I never keep the history in my mail box and when ever I need to talk to her I dont send her mail, I always a phone call and have some chat, I gave them my telephone bills. I gave them what ever I had to prove that our relationship is real.
She asked me my wife's previous husbands COMPLETE NAMES their date of births and how long she married with them( I mean these types of questions are really really beyond the case, why should one will know his/her privious life may be he/she is not interested what ever has happenend before)
anyway the above questions were just few of those horrible quesitons I have been asked.
I mean I am in a big mess, upset as well dont know what to do...
One of friend suggested me to apply for K3 again any other suggestions please welcome....
GOOD LUCK TO YOu...
Hi folks, last week they again called me for the interview and after interogating me almost 30 minutes they refused my case and said that they are going to send my case back to USCIS and also got all my submitted evidence and documents back along with the same horrible blue sheet 221(g) mentioned reason "Recomandation revokation" something like this.
They asked me again lots of personal questions yes no doubt few of them I missed but I answered most of questions.
Anyway can anybody guide me what to do next, can my wife file a new case or it is over...? what to do ....
I dont know what type of evidence they require, she said, all the emails you provided to us is one sent by your wife to you, there is not email evidence you sent to her when I said that we never send to many mails to each other and specially I never keep the history in my mail box and when ever I need to talk to her I dont send her mail, I always a phone call and have some chat, I gave them my telephone bills. I gave them what ever I had to prove that our relationship is real.
She asked me my wife's previous husbands COMPLETE NAMES their date of births and how long she married with them( I mean these types of questions are really really beyond the case, why should one will know his/her privious life may be he/she is not interested what ever has happenend before)
anyway the above questions were just few of those horrible quesitons I have been asked.
I mean I am in a big mess, upset as well dont know what to do...
One of friend suggested me to apply for K3 again any other suggestions please welcome....
GOOD LUCK TO YOu...
QUOTE(AustinnPawerss @ Feb 15 2008, 10:27 AM)
Folks Count me as well, my vote is with you
Hi folks, last week they again called me for the interview and after interogating me almost 30 minutes they refused my case and said that they are going to send my case back to USCIS and also got all my submitted evidence and documents back along with the same horrible blue sheet 221(g) mentioned reason "Recomandation revokation" something like this.
They asked me again lots of personal questions yes no doubt few of them I missed but I answered most of questions.
Anyway can anybody guide me what to do next, can my wife file a new case or it is over...? what to do ....
I dont know what type of evidence they require, she said, all the emails you provided to us is one sent by your wife to you, there is not email evidence you sent to her when I said that we never send to many mails to each other and specially I never keep the history in my mail box and when ever I need to talk to her I dont send her mail, I always a phone call and have some chat, I gave them my telephone bills. I gave them what ever I had to prove that our relationship is real.
She asked me my wife's previous husbands COMPLETE NAMES their date of births and how long she married with them( I mean these types of questions are really really beyond the case, why should one will know his/her privious life may be he/she is not interested what ever has happenend before)
anyway the above questions were just few of those horrible quesitons I have been asked.
I mean I am in a big mess, upset as well dont know what to do...
One of friend suggested me to apply for K3 again any other suggestions please welcome....
GOOD LUCK TO YOu...
Hi folks, last week they again called me for the interview and after interogating me almost 30 minutes they refused my case and said that they are going to send my case back to USCIS and also got all my submitted evidence and documents back along with the same horrible blue sheet 221(g) mentioned reason "Recomandation revokation" something like this.
They asked me again lots of personal questions yes no doubt few of them I missed but I answered most of questions.
Anyway can anybody guide me what to do next, can my wife file a new case or it is over...? what to do ....
I dont know what type of evidence they require, she said, all the emails you provided to us is one sent by your wife to you, there is not email evidence you sent to her when I said that we never send to many mails to each other and specially I never keep the history in my mail box and when ever I need to talk to her I dont send her mail, I always a phone call and have some chat, I gave them my telephone bills. I gave them what ever I had to prove that our relationship is real.
She asked me my wife's previous husbands COMPLETE NAMES their date of births and how long she married with them( I mean these types of questions are really really beyond the case, why should one will know his/her privious life may be he/she is not interested what ever has happenend before)
anyway the above questions were just few of those horrible quesitons I have been asked.
I mean I am in a big mess, upset as well dont know what to do...
One of friend suggested me to apply for K3 again any other suggestions please welcome....
GOOD LUCK TO YOu...
There is no point in refiling for the K-3 you still have the CR1, and right now they have a fraud marker against you. They will not issue a visa until this is resolved. This interview was for the CR1, correct? It sounds to me like you had no evidence of a real relationship. You didn't save any history? Why would they believe you? You need to place yourself in their shoes. If you had a case that you had to decide on, and the couple can't even prove they talk to each other often, would you believe them? This is the reason they asked you questions that you could not answer. They just plain don't believe you. You must understand, the consulate isn't trying to prove that your relationship is real, they are trying to prove that it isn't real. You must keep that in mind, and make sure you are prepared to show it is real.
Your not totally lost, but you had better get busy and start saving your history NOW! This will go back to the USCIS and they will send you (after several months) a Notice of Intent to Revoke. Your wife will need to respond. At that point she had better have tons of evidence of a valid relationship or they will revoke the petition. Just plan on another year or more, it isn't quick or easy.
hi Kiya... i would like to be the part of this...
QUOTE(morocco4ever @ Feb 16 2008, 04:29 PM)
There is no point in refiling for the K-3 you still have the CR1, and right now they have a fraud marker against you. They will not issue a visa until this is resolved. This interview was for the CR1, correct? It sounds to me like you had no evidence of a real relationship. You didn't save any history? Why would they believe you? You need to place yourself in their shoes. If you had a case that you had to decide on, and the couple can't even prove they talk to each other often, would you believe them? This is the reason they asked you questions that you could not answer. They just plain don't believe you. You must understand, the consulate isn't trying to prove that your relationship is real, they are trying to prove that it isn't real. You must keep that in mind, and make sure you are prepared to show it is real.
Your not totally lost, but you had better get busy and start saving your history NOW! This will go back to the USCIS and they will send you (after several months) a Notice of Intent to Revoke. Your wife will need to respond. At that point she had better have tons of evidence of a valid relationship or they will revoke the petition. Just plan on another year or more, it isn't quick or easy.
Your not totally lost, but you had better get busy and start saving your history NOW! This will go back to the USCIS and they will send you (after several months) a Notice of Intent to Revoke. Your wife will need to respond. At that point she had better have tons of evidence of a valid relationship or they will revoke the petition. Just plan on another year or more, it isn't quick or easy.
Thankx alot morocco for the reply, I have provided every single thing I had, EMAILS, PHONE BILLS, PHOTOS, MSN CHAT, now I dont have anything else to prove...I dont know what else they want to know.
Anayway...you are right that there is no need to start another K3, I will wait and will see where this will endup....
Thankx alot....
QUOTE(bornot2b @ Mar 3 2006, 05:43 PM)
Shon here is my issue:
Interview- 7-21-05 given 221g
Request for letters he wrote to me- 8-18-05- they were given to CO
Petition sent diplomatic pouch to nvc - 10-21-05
Petition left nvc for vermont - 11-21-05
Congressman doyle office inguired about it and emailed me 01-06-06
According to online case status petition touched-01-09-06
Karen H.
Interview- 7-21-05 given 221g
Request for letters he wrote to me- 8-18-05- they were given to CO
Petition sent diplomatic pouch to nvc - 10-21-05
Petition left nvc for vermont - 11-21-05
Congressman doyle office inguired about it and emailed me 01-06-06
According to online case status petition touched-01-09-06
Karen H.
Yes, myl hubbie an I have been waiting for over a year now........................
hello
i think my interview is gonna be in a couple of months so is there any advice for me plz my wife already talked to her congressman office and they told her that they are gonna write the embassy before the day of the interveiw stating that i am welcome there in usa and that there is no reason for denial so i need your ideas about this
i think my interview is gonna be in a couple of months so is there any advice for me plz my wife already talked to her congressman office and they told her that they are gonna write the embassy before the day of the interveiw stating that i am welcome there in usa and that there is no reason for denial so i need your ideas about this
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