Full Version: Returning Petitions to the United States via 221g
I think that was for a separate forum, rather than just a pinned thread.
QUOTE(meauxna @ Feb 28 2006, 12:39 PM) 
Instead of spamming the board because no one was stalking your posts, reading your protests, have you sent a PM to Cap'n Ewok (the Administrator) and asked him to pin it? Seems you're making a Federal case about this.
I am confused. Did you ask, and were told your topic could not be pinned?
It would be a courtesy to the community if you would track down your many posts and ask for all but one of them to be removed; this topic does not need to be pinned to every forum.
No offense, but WHO ARE YOU??? You come in here critisizing and don't even introduce yourself. Are you not here for help like everyone else? Are you even going thru the immigration process cause you have nothing in your profile? Kiya is just trying to help out the rest of us who still have to face this challenge!
Wow, okay, that's kind of harsh.
Meauxna is a longtime post-er here who has been very helpful to many, many people. I believe that she and her British husband are just beginning the naturalization process, meaning that she has gone much farther than most people on VisaJourney.
It is generally considered poor "netiquette" to post the same thing in a number of forums. I understand what Kiya was trying to do and I sympathize with her situation. But VJ does occasionally suffer from poor organizational useability, and cross-posting doesn't help the matter.
I say this as someone who *does* agree that the subject deserves a pinned thread, but I think Meauxna made a valid point and I don't think it's cool for people who *don't* know about her or why she's here to attack her for what she said.
Meauxna is a longtime post-er here who has been very helpful to many, many people. I believe that she and her British husband are just beginning the naturalization process, meaning that she has gone much farther than most people on VisaJourney.
It is generally considered poor "netiquette" to post the same thing in a number of forums. I understand what Kiya was trying to do and I sympathize with her situation. But VJ does occasionally suffer from poor organizational useability, and cross-posting doesn't help the matter.
I say this as someone who *does* agree that the subject deserves a pinned thread, but I think Meauxna made a valid point and I don't think it's cool for people who *don't* know about her or why she's here to attack her for what she said.
QUOTE(pax @ Feb 28 2006, 01:37 PM)
I think that was for a separate forum, rather than just a pinned thread.
ok.. thank you... i misunderstood
QUOTE(meauxna @ Feb 28 2006, 11:39 AM)
Instead of spamming the board because no one was stalking your posts, reading your protests, have you sent a PM to Cap'n Ewok (the Administrator) and asked him to pin it? Seems you're making a Federal case about this.
I am confused. Did you ask, and were told your topic could not be pinned?
It would be a courtesy to the community if you would track down your many posts and ask for all but one of them to be removed; this topic does not need to be pinned to every forum.
Meauxna- I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that you realize that her posting in each visa catagory(which I don't think is excessive, anyway) serves more than one purpose. Yes, its an issue that deserves its own room and this is an effort to expose the need for that room. But also, probably even more importantly, by reaching out in multiple places, she is also letting members that she may not reach otherwise know that if this has happened to them, they are in good company. You can tell by the responses that some members have been dealing with this alone and would have benifitted from shared information, comraderie and advise all along....and I know of at least one member that used to post frequently and when this happened got discouraged and disappeared...I suspect because she thought this was hopeless and she was alone.
I imagine your interest in removing multiple posts is simply to have a tidy site, and we are all down with that, but the members affected by this really should be able to identify each other and come together in a central location. please dont criticise Kiya for simply putting out that "bat signal", afterall, what else is VJ for?
I don't feel like arguing about it or forever having a rift with you or anyone, I just want everybody to be nice and get what they need here.
Back on topic...I say it should be pinned as well!
Twila
Twila
QUOTE(kerewin21 @ Feb 28 2006, 12:42 PM)
It should be pinned, but I agree it should be put somewhere other than ME/NA because the information you obtain will apply to all countries. Waivers forum may not be the best place in the world, but I think it's the best option you have.
You are all in my thoughts. The Casa people (actually, one particular Casa person) are just plain mean and seem to be violating standard operating procedures, and nobody in charge seems to care.
I think a well thought-out letter to this Maura chick is a really good idea.
I think some type of post regarding what is happening at Casa should be pinned to the ME/NA forum so those just beginning the process can be aware. There is a short window of opportunity to react at the consulate level if this happens, and while the success rate is slim, it is worth giving it everything you can. If you don't know in advance what can happen at Casa, it diminishes that window of opportunity even more. Many of us got through interviews with ease, but that seems to be increasingly rare.
I think all the other research Kiya has done should be posted somewhere else for everyone's benefit.
Rebecca
QUOTE(dawnnhatem @ Feb 28 2006, 01:46 PM)
QUOTE(meauxna @ Feb 28 2006, 11:39 AM)
Instead of spamming the board because no one was stalking your posts, reading your protests, have you sent a PM to Cap'n Ewok (the Administrator) and asked him to pin it? Seems you're making a Federal case about this.
I am confused. Did you ask, and were told your topic could not be pinned?
It would be a courtesy to the community if you would track down your many posts and ask for all but one of them to be removed; this topic does not need to be pinned to every forum.
Meauxna- I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that you realize that her posting in each visa catagory(which I don't think is excessive, anyway) serves more than one purpose. Yes, its an issue that deserves its own room and this is an effort to expose the need for that room. But also, probably even more importantly, by reaching out in multiple places, she is also letting members that she may not reach otherwise know that if this has happened to them, they are in good company. You can tell by the responses that some members have been dealing with this alone and would have benifitted from shared information, comraderie and advise all along....and I know of at least one member that used to post frequently and when this happened got discouraged and disappeared...I suspect because she thought this was hopeless and she was alone.
I imagine your interest in removing multiple posts is simply to have a tidy site, and we are all down with that, but the members affected by this really should be able to identify each other and come together in a central location. please dont criticise Kiya for simply putting out that "bat signal", afterall, what else is VJ for?
I don't feel like arguing about it or forever having a rift with you or anyone, I just want everybody to be nice and get what they need here.
QUOTE(rhouni @ Feb 28 2006, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(kerewin21 @ Feb 28 2006, 12:42 PM)
It should be pinned, but I agree it should be put somewhere other than ME/NA because the information you obtain will apply to all countries. Waivers forum may not be the best place in the world, but I think it's the best option you have.
You are all in my thoughts. The Casa people (actually, one particular Casa person) are just plain mean and seem to be violating standard operating procedures, and nobody in charge seems to care.
I think a well thought-out letter to this Maura chick is a really good idea.
I think some type of post regarding what is happening at Casa should be pinned to the ME/NA forum so those just beginning the process can be aware. There is a short window of opportunity to react at the consulate level if this happens, and while the success rate is slim, it is worth giving it everything you can. If you don't know in advance what can happen at Casa, it diminishes that window of opportunity even more. Many of us got through interviews with ease, but that seems to be increasingly rare.
I think all the other research Kiya has done should be posted somewhere else for everyone's benefit.
Rebecca
Couldn't have said it better myself!
I agree that this is important information and that it should be pinned. I think the waivers forum is an excellent gathering place for all of this information, and the discussion that goes along with it.
I also think that asking Ewok to pin the thread would have been appropriate start. My impression from the post--with the little 'protest' icon---was that the expectation is 'if I say 'pin it' in any given post, "someone" is going to come along behind me and do that. I'm saying, 'it doesn't work that way'.
Kiya has been posting a lot on the topic, in many places--I am aware of her situation. VJ is not that big that someone faced with a 221g could not find another 221g person. Someone in that situation is going to do a lot of searching. I appreciate Kiya's work and research and am not trying to throw it out; I'm suggesting ways for her to be effective in getting what she wants. We clearly have differing opinions on which way is right (maybe both or neither is!)
Those of you who have read my posts and seen the work I have done in research to help others on their visajourney know that my intentions are positive and that I encourage the type of project Kiya is on. I'm sorry that my message 'felt' too brusque for you, but that will pass.
Good luck with your efforts, and try a simple PM to Ewok. I'm sure s/he'll be happy to oblige pinning a thread of info.
I also think that asking Ewok to pin the thread would have been appropriate start. My impression from the post--with the little 'protest' icon---was that the expectation is 'if I say 'pin it' in any given post, "someone" is going to come along behind me and do that. I'm saying, 'it doesn't work that way'.
Kiya has been posting a lot on the topic, in many places--I am aware of her situation. VJ is not that big that someone faced with a 221g could not find another 221g person. Someone in that situation is going to do a lot of searching. I appreciate Kiya's work and research and am not trying to throw it out; I'm suggesting ways for her to be effective in getting what she wants. We clearly have differing opinions on which way is right (maybe both or neither is!)
Those of you who have read my posts and seen the work I have done in research to help others on their visajourney know that my intentions are positive and that I encourage the type of project Kiya is on. I'm sorry that my message 'felt' too brusque for you, but that will pass.
Good luck with your efforts, and try a simple PM to Ewok. I'm sure s/he'll be happy to oblige pinning a thread of info.
You have my support on this issue. I don't understand this kind of treatment . Never give up and please continue to update us on this unfortunate situation.
Salams Kiya,
It's really unfortunate that you're going through this ordeal... You have my support as well. Wishing you the best through your journey insha'Allah.
It's really unfortunate that you're going through this ordeal... You have my support as well. Wishing you the best through your journey insha'Allah.
just how much support does one need to get a topic *pinned*? are we almost there yet kiya?
i hope so..... this deserves attention of its own for sure!!!
thanks for all your hard work, kiya.... and insh'allah, i will see you in Morocco!!
keep fighting!
Noura
i hope so..... this deserves attention of its own for sure!!!
thanks for all your hard work, kiya.... and insh'allah, i will see you in Morocco!!
keep fighting!
Noura
Wonderful support everyone, I and everyone currently affected really do appreciate it. I am updating the tally. I hope I didn't miss anyone...looking to send this to Captain Ewok for a pin. Still not sure of the home it should have...it could happen to anyone and newbies would have no idea about this issue especally in regards to Morocco.
Support tally: 31
Kiya = 1
Rhouni = 1
Denali_1963 = 1
Morocco4ever = 1
LebaneseBride = 1
Dixie_Peach = 1
Dawnnhatem = 1
Tom&tata = 1
Maryandatif = 1
Noura = 1
Mawelvan = 1
Kml_36 = 1
Myfellah = 1
Jenn3539 = 1
Meriem_setif = 1
Chiquita = 1
Portsaid = 1
Wife_of_Mahmoud = 1
Carshel = 1
Wmoonshine69 = 1
Mianishqsrose = 1
pax = 1
pri = 1
karen_2705 = 1
oly = 1
farah2005 = 1
bornot2b = 1
kerwin = 1
tnh9479 = 1
stacato = 1
Omid = 1
_______________________________________
If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
Support tally: 31
Kiya = 1
Rhouni = 1
Denali_1963 = 1
Morocco4ever = 1
LebaneseBride = 1
Dixie_Peach = 1
Dawnnhatem = 1
Tom&tata = 1
Maryandatif = 1
Noura = 1
Mawelvan = 1
Kml_36 = 1
Myfellah = 1
Jenn3539 = 1
Meriem_setif = 1
Chiquita = 1
Portsaid = 1
Wife_of_Mahmoud = 1
Carshel = 1
Wmoonshine69 = 1
Mianishqsrose = 1
pax = 1
pri = 1
karen_2705 = 1
oly = 1
farah2005 = 1
bornot2b = 1
kerwin = 1
tnh9479 = 1
stacato = 1
Omid = 1
_______________________________________
If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
Yes, let's get this pinned! 
QUOTE(Dixie_Peach @ Feb 28 2006, 10:26 AM)
QUOTE(Morocco4ever @ Feb 28 2006, 10:04 AM)
This is just a thought, and maybe no one else will want to do this, but what are the chances that everyone here going through Casa that had their petitions sent back to the CIS without a resonable explanation would want to send a copy of their 221(g) in one letter to Maura Harty? This way she could see that many people have them sent back without a reasonable explanation as to why, thus sparking an investigation of Morocco.
Whats your thoughts ladies?
Ok... I am all for this if it will help... but I have a silly question... WHO exactly is Maura Harty?
not a silly question at all. Maura Harty is pretty much the head of all consulates. The problem we all have is that we have a valid complaint but the consulates are pretty much untouchable. In order for this to work we need volume to really have an impact. I am terrified that if I go this alone then we will be singled out for punishment and nothing will be accomplished. With volume it will look a little suspicious if all of us get a final denial. I think if we could get at least 5 221g letters to send within the past year from 1 consulate with no explanation as to why it was sent back then we might have some good ammunition.
Updating yet again...found more supporters from my "spamming" 
AJEEB, SHOKRAN!!!
I'm really starting to wonder about the waiver forum being the right place to pin this...36 views and 0 replies. At any rate I am drafting another email to Captain Ewok asking for the pin. I want to include all the government guidelines, FAM material, articles from attorneys, etc...and I want it to be clean and easy to sort through.
Support tally: 35
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
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If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
AJEEB, SHOKRAN!!!
I'm really starting to wonder about the waiver forum being the right place to pin this...36 views and 0 replies. At any rate I am drafting another email to Captain Ewok asking for the pin. I want to include all the government guidelines, FAM material, articles from attorneys, etc...and I want it to be clean and easy to sort through.
Support tally: 35
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
_______________________________________
If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
ladies, you have my undivided attention... you ladies are forging ahead into unknown territory... and possibly setting an example for what may be to come for others behind you...
I for one... give you my support... I'm not joking here, i am reallllllllllllly freaking out... cannot concentrate on my job today because of this... i keep popping in and out to see if there could be an update for anybody.... and i keep praying and hoping...
I want to thank you for what you are doing... and for not giving up... i say FORGE AHEAD!
I for one... give you my support... I'm not joking here, i am reallllllllllllly freaking out... cannot concentrate on my job today because of this... i keep popping in and out to see if there could be an update for anybody.... and i keep praying and hoping...
I want to thank you for what you are doing... and for not giving up... i say FORGE AHEAD!
QUOTE(Dixie_Peach @ Feb 28 2006, 06:11 PM)
ladies, you have my undivided attention... you ladies are forging ahead into unknown territory... and possibly setting an example for what may be to come for others behind you...
I for one... give you my support... I'm not joking here, i am reallllllllllllly freaking out... cannot concentrate on my job today because of this... i keep popping in and out to see if there could be an update for anybody.... and i keep praying and hoping...
I want to thank you for what you are doing... and for not giving up... i say FORGE AHEAD!
Blajmeel dixie_peach. Insh'allah you will be fine going through Casa. I only wish to help myself and others going through this issue...maybe we can prevent it happening or at least prepare others for this in the future.
There is also another VJ member going through Casa on a K1 I have been in contact with, she doesn't post much...interview March 7th. I will post her results when she calls me after the interview, she is in Morocco right now.
~Kiya~
You have our support!
Another tally update...hehe!
Support tally: 37
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
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If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
Support tally: 37
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
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~Kiya~
I totally agree. A central site could be extreemely usefull. Good luck on your quest.
COUNT ME IN!!!!!! LETS GET PINNED.
Updating the tally once again!! Getting very close to the 40 mark, SHOKRAN!!!
Support tally: 39
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
_______________________________________
If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
Support tally: 39
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
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If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
You never added me a few pages back...Lucky number 40
I 100% agree with you Kiya! Count me in!
Forgive me Jme3584...I missed you. It has been a whirlwind today! Adding Jme3584 and Amerylu, this reaches past the 40 mark...SHOKRAN everyone, I really do appreciate it. I am working on my email to Captain Ewok as I type this update to the tally.
Support tally: 41...YIPEE!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
_______________________________________
If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
Support tally: 41...YIPEE!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
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~Kiya~
I am not real familiar the chain of command at the embassies but who does the consulates have to answer to. Don't they have a boss somewhere? How do they get their jobs? Can't you go above their heads somehow? Maybe the ones that have had thier petitions sent back can make up a petition and sign it and send it to there congressmen and also to who ever is in charge of the consulates. Just a thought.
Count me in! you got my support. 
I think pinning this topic is an excellent idea. I read a lot of stories on this website that have a happy ending, but things do not go smoothly for every couple. These couples need to know what their rights are and what needs to be done if they have been treated unfairly. Kiya, I tip my hat off to you for having the guts to stand up and do this.
I read a lot of stories on this website that have a happy ending, but things do not go smoothly for every couple. These couples need to know what their rights are and what needs to be done if they have been treated unfairly. Kiya, I tip my hat off to you for having the guts to stand up and do this.
Adding lamaestra to the tally...shokran!
Support tally: 42...Ajeeb!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
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If you support pinning this issue...please say so by posting in this topic. Without forum support the issue will never get pinned. Shokran.
~Kiya~
Support tally: 42...Ajeeb!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
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kiya make sure you add me to the list !
As-salamualikum wa-rahmatullah wa-barakatu
Sister Kiya
You must add me in the list. I m completely agree with u
Jezakallah Khair
Ahmed
Sister Kiya
You must add me in the list. I m completely agree with u
Jezakallah Khair
Ahmed
Salam,
You got my support and my Vote, even if It's kinda of late
sorry.
You got my support and my Vote, even if It's kinda of late
sorry.
WOW...it's never too late, shokran for all the support! Updating the tally, I will post where this is going, etc. as soon as I know.
Support tally: 47...Ajeeb!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
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~Kiya~
Support tally: 47...Ajeeb!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
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~Kiya~
You definitely have my support! Anything to pave the way
for future couples who are facing any problems.
for future couples who are facing any problems.
Mine too I may not be on the list but its a great idea!
any updates kiya? have you contacted cap'n ewok? just wondering....
Updating the tally...near the 50 mark! No word from Captain Ewok as of yet. I sent a PM and look to hear sometime today.
Support tally: 49...Ajeeb!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
48. anxious
49. jennieh
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Support tally: 49...Ajeeb!
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
48. anxious
49. jennieh
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~Kiya~
Ahlan
My Fiance was given g-221 April 2005 asking for joint sponsor, i sent them the i-134, July 2005 they sent my i 1239f back to DHS for review and possible revokation.
saying the consular officer has too many questions and qonserns regarding the relathionship, untill today i dont have a unswer.
I just wrote to Senator Diane Fenstein i will see if she can help.
Salam
My Fiance was given g-221 April 2005 asking for joint sponsor, i sent them the i-134, July 2005 they sent my i 1239f back to DHS for review and possible revokation.
saying the consular officer has too many questions and qonserns regarding the relathionship, untill today i dont have a unswer.
I just wrote to Senator Diane Fenstein i will see if she can help.
Salam
QUOTE(mikehofman @ Mar 1 2006, 11:16 AM)
Ahlan
My Fiance was given g-221 April 2005 asking for joint sponsor, i sent them the i-134, July 2005 they sent my i 1239f back to DHS for review and possible revokation.
saying the consular officer has too many questions and qonserns regarding the relathionship, untill today i dont have a unswer.
I just wrote to Senator Diane Fenstein i will see if she can help.
Salam
Sorry for the delay in your visa process! Hope you get good news soon!
PLEASE count me in for this!!!
Khadija
Khadija
We are at 50 supporters...AJEEB!!! Still no word yet...insh'allah it will be today!
Support tally: 50
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
48. anxious
49. jennieh
50. fatimah
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~Kiya~
Support tally: 50
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
48. anxious
49. jennieh
50. fatimah
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~Kiya~
QUOTE(mikehofman @ Mar 1 2006, 12:16 PM)
Ahlan
My Fiance was given g-221 April 2005 asking for joint sponsor, i sent them the i-134, July 2005 they sent my i 1239f back to DHS for review and possible revokation.
saying the consular officer has too many questions and qonserns regarding the relathionship, untill today i dont have a unswer.
I just wrote to Senator Diane Fenstein i will see if she can help.
Salam
Wasalaam Alaikum.
You mean the United States has not contacted your fiance yet...even though the file was sent back to the united States in July 2005?? I would think she should be hearing something soon. Even if it took one month to get to the service center, that still leaves 6 months for them to figure it out and contact your fiance.
Your fiance can contact the National Service Center to have them start an inquiry for the local service center where the case was originally filed. Your fiance will need the receipt number, case number, your alien number, NOA1, NOA2, and a copy of all 221g documents received in front of her when making this call. Also, it would be a good idea to write out the questions she has before calling...this will help her stay focused and on track to have the questions she needs answered in front of her when on the call with them:
National Service Center - 800-375-5283
This is a new procedure for inquiring on cases like this...I tried contacting the California Service Center by fax which is where my file was originally processed to find out what to do, etc. I received a letter from the California Service Center, they sent my fax back to me saying they no longer accept inquiries directly via fax or letter to their office, to make the inquiry directly with the National Service Center.
The National Service Center makes the inquiry...sends it off to the local service center so they can easily track and expedite all inquiries made...thus getting your questions answered quicker (at least this is how it is supposed to work according to the USCIS).
I'm not sure how much your Senator or Congressman can do at this point in the game but it is worth a try...however, there is another person your fiance can contact to make any inquiry in Washington DC. I have that name and address at home...as soon as I get home I will send you a PM with that information.
I wish you luck, you have to be getting close to hearing something very soon, insh'allah. In the meantime...stay strong and make sure your fiance is prepared with all your proof of relationship, including the new proof from the time of the interview up to present date. She will only have about 30 days to respond to the notice received from the USCIS depending on how they contact her.
As for us, the interview was mid January so it will be 6 months at least before I am notified here in the US...our waiting has just begun.
Allah with you!
~Kiya~
QUOTE(Kiya @ Mar 1 2006, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE(mikehofman @ Mar 1 2006, 12:16 PM)
Ahlan
My Fiance was given g-221 April 2005 asking for joint sponsor, i sent them the i-134, July 2005 they sent my i 1239f back to DHS for review and possible revokation.
saying the consular officer has too many questions and qonserns regarding the relathionship, untill today i dont have a unswer.
I just wrote to Senator Diane Fenstein i will see if she can help.
Salam
Wasalaam Alaikum.
You mean the United States has not contacted your fiance yet...even though the file was sent back to the united States in July 2005?? I would think she should be hearing something soon. Even if it took one month to get to the service center, that still leaves 6 months for them to figure it out and contact your fiance.
Your fiance can contact the National Service Center to have them start an inquiry for the local service center where the case was originally filed. Your fiance will need the receipt number, case number, your alien number, NOA1, NOA2, and a copy of all 221g documents received in front of her when making this call. Also, it would be a good idea to write out the questions she has before calling...this will help her stay focused and on track to have the questions she needs answered in front of her when on the call with them:
National Service Center - 800-375-5283
This is a new procedure for inquiring on cases like this...I tried contacting the California Service Center by fax which is where my file was originally processed to find out what to do, etc. I received a letter from the California Service Center, they sent my fax back to me saying they no longer accept inquiries directly via fax or letter to their office, to make the inquiry directly with the National Service Center.
The National Service Center makes the inquiry...sends it off to the local service center so they can easily track and expedite all inquiries made...thus getting your questions answered quicker (at least this is how it is supposed to work according to the USCIS).
I'm not sure how much your Senator or Congressman can do at this point in the game but it is worth a try...however, there is another person your fiance can contact to make any inquiry in Washington DC. I have that name and address at home...as soon as I get home I will send you a PM with that information.
I wish you luck, you have to be getting close to hearing something very soon, insh'allah. In the meantime...stay strong and make sure your fiance is prepared with all your proof of relationship, including the new proof from the time of the interview up to present date. She will only have about 30 days to respond to the notice received from the USCIS depending on how they contact her.
As for us, the interview was mid January so it will be 6 months at least before I am notified here in the US...our waiting has just begun.
Allah with you!
~Kiya~ I have never seen a petition get back to the service center in only 1 month. Ours took 4 months, and from what I understand that is fast. Of course it is way past time to get your representative involved. Do it now, they can at least help you to locate where the petiton is.
QUOTE(Morocco4ever @ Mar 1 2006, 03:09 PM)
I have never seen a petition get back to the service center in only 1 month. Ours took 4 months, and from what I understand that is fast. Of course it is way past time to get your representative involved. Do it now, they can at least help you to locate where the petiton is.
I definitely agree...the time it seems to take for everyone is "at least" six months to hear anything.
The way I understand it the petition is sent back by diplomatic pouch...each petition has a registration number. My Senator was able to get that registration number for me.
After it actually leaves the consulate it goes to directly to the National Visa Center. The NVC has developed a system for tracking all returned petitions. The NVC Fraud Prevention Unit is notified on the petition return, they review the case at the NVC, collect data pertinent to the case and then forwarded on to the local service center where the petition was originally filed and that office notifies the petitioner. I'm not quite clear on who atcually makes the final decision...the NVC or the local service center but am still researching everything to find out as much as possible.
Here is the address where the petition goes to once it leaves the consulate:
National Visa Center
32 Rochester Ave.
Portsmouth NH 03801
Attn: Fraud Prevention Manager
So, I can definitely see why this would take longer than 6 months...especially when consulates sit on these petitions before actually sending them back for review. I do think we deserve much faster responses regarding all of our cases. Not only is it not fair to send it back to the United States without giving a real reason as to why...it is also not fair to make us wait 6 months to a year before knowing anything regarding the status of our petitions.
In the case of Morocco, I tend to think that they intentionally sit on petitions even though it is against the guidelines...we all know they are not following the guidelines in Morocco. I really feel they enjoy this...especially in regards to this particular female consular officer.
I also agree that the consulate has most likely made a decision on our cases before our spouses are even interviewed...it is then up to our spouses to "convince" them of their eligibility for the visa. Which by the way is also against the guidelines.
#7 in Telegram 1388 on the USCIS web site -
"In general, an approved petition will be considered by consular officers as prima facie evidence that the requirements for classification - which are examined in the petition process - have been met. Where congress has placed responsibility and authority with DHS to determine whether the requirements for status which are examined in the petition process have been met, consular officers do not have the authority to question the approval of petitions without specific evidence, generally unavailable to DHS at the time of petition approval, that the beneficiary may not be entitled to status (see 9 FAM 41.53, Note 2, 41.54 Note 3.2-2, 41.55 Note 8, 41.56 Note 10, 41.57 Note 6, and 42.43 Note 2) due to fraud, changes in circumstances or clear error on the part of DHS in approving the petition. Conoffs should not assume that a petition should be revoked simply because they would have reached a different decision if adjudicating the petition."
It is my gut feeling that Casa is clearly not following this portion on the guidelines...and its not like they do not know about them either. ALL consulates received this telegram notification from the Secretary of State. Unless they have tangible evidence we have all committed fraud or meet any of the revocation criteria listed in the FAM they should have issued our visas.
In regards to K1 (non-immigrant) visas there is this statement in the guidelines:
"When a petition is returned to DHS, if DHS concurs with the officer''s recommendation, DHS regulations require DHS/BCIS to provide the petitioner notice of intent to revoke, and to allow the petitioner an opportunity to rebut the grounds for revocation. DHS regulations require that, in the case of nonimmigrant petitions, the revocation must be based only on grounds specified in the regulations. Those grounds include evidence that the statement of facts in the petition was not true and correct, or that the approval involved gross error. The FAM often only summarizes the petition approval criteria because they are too lengthy and complicated to reproduce fully (the H regulations, for example, contain about 25 pages of double column material). Absent access to the full DHS regulations, conoffs may not be aware of all of the factors considered by DHS in approving a petition. In addition, conoffs are normally less knowledgeable about the basis for petition eligibility than DHS personnel; they therefore should not jump to conclusions regarding petitions. In addition, conoffs should return petitions only where there is specific, material and clear evidence to provide the DHS a basis to initiate petition revocation procedures.
Sufficiency of evidence"
Now, my petition is a non-immigrant petition...what I want to know is exactly what "evidence" do they have that show the facts in my petition are not true and correct?? We are not committing visa fraud...what evidence is there of that?? Exactly what gross error was there in the approval? It is when my fiance and I marry here in the United States that he will Adjust Status to an immigrant visa...we will BOTH go through a very lengthy and stressful interview process here in the United States to prove our relationship is real and valid before he is approved for a green card.
I swear, by the time I get this notice of whatever their intention regarding action on my petition is I will be near a bar exam for immigration law. I plan to use every single shred of the available guidelines, unclassified regulations from the Foreign Affairs Manual along with ALL of our proof to fight them if they intend to revoke my petition.
Sorry, I seem to have gotten on a tangent again.
~Kiya~
You got that right im scared right now!! Were waiting on a interview but dont have it yet! I hope I dont regret wanting one. We have been waiting almost 2 months for a date. And by the sounds of it our chances of getting a April date are not good either.
Found more support from my "spamming" ...no stalkers though...LOL
Shokran!!!
Support tally: 51
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
48. anxious
49. jennieh
50. fatimah
51. kimjoshian
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~Kiya~
...no stalkers though...LOLShokran!!!
Support tally: 51
1. Kiya
2. Rhouni
3. Denali_1963
4. Morocco4ever
5. LebaneseBride
6. Dixie_Peach
7. Dawnnhatem
8. Tom&tata
9. Maryandatif
10. Noura
11. Mawelvan
12. Kml_36
13. Myfellah
14. Jenn3539
15. Meriem_setif
16. Chiquita
17. Portsaid
18. Wife_of_Mahmoud
19. Carshel
20. Wmoonshine69
21. Mianishqsrose
22. pax
23. pri
24. karen_2705
25. oly
26. farah2005
27. bornot2b
28. kerwin
29. tnh9479
30. stacato
31. Omid
32. matt_stevens
33. ajmc
34. pbgirl
35. JanaknJanet
36. ramlirobin
37. libragodess
38. joej
39. prena
40. Jme3584
41. Amerylu
42. lamaestra
43. lis_cindy
44. kader
45. shonjaved
46. Bismillahir-Rhamaner-Rahim
47. Maghreb
48. anxious
49. jennieh
50. fatimah
51. kimjoshian
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~Kiya~
Kiya, you may wish to ask Chief Wookie to pin your thread, he's the "technical guy".
kiya, i forgot to tell you to add me to the list, but when i got my yallah middle east thread pinned all i did was email the admin and asked him to pin my thread and close my old yalla middle east thread.
Did the admin say you need a lot of people to support you before they pinned it? This thread of yours should already be pinned in the middle east section since it has to do with people going thru the ME/NA, but as for the waivers forum i don't know.
Good Luck
Angel
Did the admin say you need a lot of people to support you before they pinned it? This thread of yours should already be pinned in the middle east section since it has to do with people going thru the ME/NA, but as for the waivers forum i don't know.
Good Luck
Angel
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