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Thanks for the advice, we are just patient as we think since they have not returned the passport there might still be a chance. My Fiancee calls the DOS like everyday and they just keep telling her someone is still having a look at it, so let's see how long they are gonna hold that for. We go home in September so am hoping they can send it back before then. It just sucks that one has to wait for an approval from USCIS, then the case goes to the embassy and they decide to screw one over but one thing is this...As long as you have a valid relationship and a clean record, it might take years but they will still have no choice but to auth it.

Just wanted you to know that my husband's interview in Bogota was successfull and he has his visa in hand. Thank you to each of you for your advise and support. On to AOS!!!

That's WONDERFUL news, congrats and wishing you many years of happiness together!!!

you have my support as well. We have been in ap since March 13, 2007. We started this whole process back in June 2006 and still working on it.

Hi I was wondering if anyone can help me as far as when they send back your petition for further review to Vermont if it has to go some where else first

YES...IT GOES TO NVC FRAUD UNIT

and also does Casablanca take forever to send it out...

DEPENDS...WHEN THERE IS A DIPLOMATIC POUCH FULL THEY SEND IT.


Also how long it takes for them to send you a letter letting you know what the review is about

IT COULD TAKE AS LITTLE AS FOUR MONTHS TO FOREVER...DEPENDS WHERE YOU FILED THE PETITION

plus is there anything I can do in the mean time

YES, BUT PLEASE TELL US WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR CASE, THEN I WILL KNOW HOW TO ADVISE.


Thank u in advance for any help you can give me

YOU ARE SO WELCOME

i see no one responded so i thought i would try to help you out if i can. please give the deatils of your case.

1 what type of petition

2 what service center you filled at

3 were you denied a a visa? (sorry but it sounds like that is the issue)or in AP?

4 do you know why?

5 what was the date of the interview?

6 what does the 221g letter say?



chi

I got the 221(g) and this happened to me just yesterday in the morning. unfortunetly the lady that interview people in the consulate of Casablanca, that lady is strange. they are only 2 ladies that interview for the K-1 visas and they are both weird. can you imagine her asking me what do your fiance do with her kids and how your fiance play with her kids !!!!!? and what do she do for fun !!! and you all have to know that if you fail to answer even 1 question, you will be denied because of insufficiency of proofs of relationship. pfffffffffff what a strange mind they have, how come if MY FIANCE HERSELF APPLIED FOR ME IN THE US !! how can she apply for me if i don't know her ? and who is with me on the pictures !!! they just want to ger people borred of the process, because when it come to invistigations about people, they can easily know even what do you eat everyday in your home and not only if you have a real relationship with your fiance !! strange strange strange.

Actually, I CAN imagine her asking about your fiance's kids and what she does for fun... those are things that I would hope you know all about if you want to get married to her. Did you not know how to answer those questions?

We all hope that everyone has good intentions, but the truth is that there is fraud in fiance/spouse visas. Yes she applied for her but sadly that does not necessarily mean that she knows you.

Good luck.

the African

what type of 221g letter did you get?

there are 2

one says they are returning your case to USCIS

the other says they are doing security checks

did you need some help or were you just blowing off steam? (which BTW is ok)

as to your questions...well casa is a high fraud consulate so they are doing their job to make sure you are real. be happy, at least she tried! in our case we didnt even have that courtesy!

let me know if you need some help

chiquita

These are not strange questions at all, in fact they are some of the best questions I have heard. Her attempt was to see how well you know your fiance. From what I understand there is a large amount of people here in the US that are being paid to bring over foreigners. People who are not in a legitimate relationship wouldn't know these simple personal details about another persons life. I wish they had asked my husband questions like these rather than send our petition back. I wish they would have asked him what side of the bed I sleep on, do I snore, what are my favorite foods, etc. Sure he could lie, but usually people are prepared with things that can be backed up, these questions would catch them off guard and cause enough of a hesitation that would give a valid reason to question the validity. Some of the reasons they send petitions back are insane.

So what happened with your visa? Did you get it or the dreaded 221g?

i agree. Something needs to be done about 221g in Morocco. They give no information and take forever to do anything.

Hi Everyone,

I think I might have some good news in regards to our petition possibly being Reaffirmed, but I'm unsure. My fiance had his interview August 3, and he received the "Petition Being Returned to USCIS for Further Review" 221G. I followed Chiquita's advice and immediately sent email to the Consulate requesting a reconsideration/2nd interview, contacted 2 Senators, and 1 Congressman, and I also faxed a very detailed letter to the Chief Consul thoroughly explaining our situation and requesting that he take the time to review the large file of evidence. I also had my parents and a friend fax letters of support/concern. At first when I called DOS to inquire about the case status, they said its "Denied/Recommended for Return to USCIS". Now when I call they are telling me it's in "Administrative Processing" and they have no record of a denial status. I really don't know how to interpret that as of now, and I would rather be cautious than jump to conclusions. A friend of Driss had his interview the same day, was also denied, and they sent his petition back already. I wonder why ours didn't go back at that same time since they had the "diplomatic pouch" ready.
Also, DOS informed me that the "Name Checks" in Washington were completed before the interview, and we are in "AP in Casablanca." I don't know if it's a good sign, or if they might still return it after the AP is completed. I would love to hear any ideas, advice, or input, especially from anyone who has had experience with having a denial overturned, and having a petition reaffirmed.

Thanks and Hope Everyone's enjoying a Mellow Weekend,
Iysha

Wow, that sounds like great news! Congratulations! Your quick reaction paid off!

Iysha

the most accurate and fastest way to know is have your rep make an inquiry as to the status of your case to the consulate in Casa. your rep will also be given the pouch number if your case was indeed returned.

i am so hoping we can do the happy dance with you shortly!!!!!!!!!

chi

I agree. I got so many different answers to my question from the DOS that I learned not to trust them. I truly hope that we can celebrate with you.

I agree we need to get this pinned. Guys what is happen in Casablanca is terrible !!!

That reminds me, I think I forgot to add our names. We are over Casa!!! Thanks for all your hard work. Kiya!!!

go get that visa and bring him here NW!!!!



chi

hi Kiya,
I really support your Idea with rousing yessss ! but how this can help our cases to be done with full justice ???
thanks
Hicham

You don't have to worry! It IS pinned!

May I ask??? So now this is pinned, what happens next??

not Kiyah here, but i am not sure i understand what you mean by---

I really support your Idea with rousing

i am dumb--what does that mean??

what was her idea that you are referring to?

full justice? i dont understand that either.

as an American we dont have any rights when it comes to marrying outside of America. it is a privilege if our government allows our foreign born spouse/fiance to come live with us in the states. we all need to keep that in mind.

what we are asking for is for the guidelines to be followed.

we are asking that cases not be pre-judged prior to the interview.

we are asking that if there are suspictions that the couple have the chance at the consular level to address/ provide evidence to prove the validity of the relationship and not merely return the case to USCIS and make them do the investgating.

which by the way is going away=California Service Center no longer sends out NOIR to K1 cases that are returned. the couple is left in limbo as to what the next step is.

Vermont on the other hand puts the cases on a shelf to collect dust-returned case are NOT a priority for them. insane!!

as American, we are not used to our government treating us like this! we are used to getting answers and trying to solve problesm. this is what "I" find so irritating! if there is a problem--ask me and see if i can clear it up. unfortunately we dont get that opportunity. this is a case of uncle Sam trying to protect it's citizens against "visa seekers". ok, i understand, but let me be the one to address the issue but alas i am not allowed to.

let this be clear--we are talking about LEGAL immigration following all the rules paying all the fees. what we have are honest hard working regular average JOE'S who fall in love with a non American and only want to be with them in our own country. we are only asking for the opportunity to prove we are indeed valid couples instead if being judged by a CO who just cant beleive my husband loves me so my case is returned to USCIS saying we are frauds!!!

let this also be very clear>>>> this happens without one shred of evidence against us!!!!! we are guilty without any evidence. what American would not be outraged by this practice? which by the way is AGAINST the government guidelines according to the CFR (code of federal regulations)>>>

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-....0.1.5.28.9.1.1

not to also mention that the consular officer is to INFORM the applicant WHY he/she is not getting a visa. >>>>>

consular officers are not complying with the requirements of 8 C.F.R. 103.2((16)(i)&(ii), which requires that derogatory information used to deny a petition, must be disclosed to petitioner, if it is not classified and if it is to be the basis of the adverse decision


the consular officer is also required to help the applicant overcome the objections for denial>>>


8 CFR 103.2((16) "Applications, petitions, and other documents" states,
(emphasis added):

16) Inspection of evidence. An applicant or petitioner shall be permitted to inspect the record of proceeding which constitutes the basis for the decision, except as provided in the following paragraphs.

(i) Derogatory information unknown to petitioner or applicant. If the decision will be adverse to the applicant or petitioner and is based on derogatory information considered by the Service and of which the applicant or petitioner is unaware, he/she shall be advised of this fact and offered an opportunity to rebut the information and present information in his/her own behalf before the decision is rendered, except as provided in paragraphs ((16)(ii), (iii), and (iv) of this section. Any explanation, rebuttal, or information presented by or in behalf of the applicant or petitioner shall be included in the record of proceeding.

(ii) Determination of statutory eligibility. A determination of statutory eligibility shall be
based only on information contained in the record of proceeding which is disclosed to the applicant or petitioner, except as provided in paragraph ((16)(iv) of this section.

(iv) Classified information. An applicant or petitioner shall not be provided any information contained in the record or outside the record which is classified under Executive Order No. 12356 (47 FR 14874; April 6, 1982) as requiring protection from unauthorized disclosure in the interest of national security, unless the classifying authority has agreed in writing to such disclosure. Whenever he/she believes he/she can do so consistently with safeguarding both the information and its source, the regional commissioner should direct that the applicant or petitioner be given notice of the general nature of the information and an opportunity to offer opposing evidence. The regional commissioner's authorization to use such classified information shall be made a part of the record. A decision based in whole or in part on such classified information shall state that the information is material to the decision."

this info was given to me by an excellent immigration attorney who by the way helps those who have had their cases returned to USCIS.

gosh didnt mean to right a book here...but as you can see this does irratate me.

i am AMERICAN all the way!!! i love my country! it doesnt mean that some things need to be fixed though. i dont want anyone to get the idea i hate my country.

chi

we can learn from others experiences. the idea was to let other couples know that this does happen and what they need to do or possibly expect in order to keep it not happening to them. of course this is not a guarantee that it wont happen to a couple we just wanted the info available to everyone.

that was the idea---sharing and being able to find it here in one place

chi

The thread just stays on the top of the page for easy access because it is an important and useful thread.

The quickest way to get a case status is also to email the consulate directly. In the subject line include the interviewing consulars initials, as well as the US consulate of.......and the head consulars name ( if known). This will direct the email to the individuals mentioned, and most likely get a response from them quicker.

My best advice to anyone who has red flags, and is petitioning for their loved one at a consulate known for denials.. is to marry, then file an immediate relative petition. This is not a guarantee for a visa issuance, however if a petition is returned for revocation, the USCIS , by law is mandated to review it, issue a noid/noir, which a petitioner will be given 30 days to rebut.




Christine

Exactly!

When ours was denied I had no idea what to go, where to go, or who too turn too. Chi was the first to help me, and now we have won our case and my love is finally here with me. Without her guidance I would have no idea where to turn or what to do. This thread is for those of us who have been through this to help guide those who are going through it now. We can't help in any way to make it more fair but what we can do is give you a place to go for all of the many questions.

great advice!!!

thanks!

chi

I'm not sure what pinning is, but all I know is that my case has been returned for further review since October, 2006...I have been to field offices, called so many times I think I have spoken to every person working in all call centers and still nothing...Can anyone PLEASE help me?[color="#FF00FF"][/color]
IreneluvsAbdel

"pinning a thread" is an action done only by ewok, also known as the vj site administrator. moderators and other titles (scout, organizer, etc) within vj are unable to perform this function. a pinned thread appears always at the top of the forum, thus relieving the user from having to search for it. threads are pinned on request but ewok does limit the amount of pinned threads to 3 in this forum from what i've seen in the recent past. a thread may be unpinned by ewok due to lack of posting in it also.

yes we can help you.

what have you heard since your case was returned?

call centers are out sourced so no help there.

chi

i agree, because we through all this stuff toget our loved one here and they said cann't happen . It has to be fixed.

this is my support too
i think there is something we don't know behind all of that , at least its our right to know what is going on ... via this website i got many answer's for some question i tried many times i to get any information ligally even my wife did an appointment to know any information in 22/8/2007 and the officer right there mucked her and told her directly i don't believe in your relationship either .. im wondering what more than 200 page of our online conversation and phone bills and real pictures and online webcam with their dates and all internet connection invoces and Ecards they could ask for make sure we have a real relationship ???!!!they needed 3 months later after that interview to send the file back again to the state !!! and why they have to be rude with people trying to find out what is going on ?!! at least they could answer nicely ...
when i ask they tell me the operators don't tell that much ! and if we go to get information they start just to muck us and they are just ready to show their excuses for why they delay ! just today i got a notification from www.uscis.gov that they have some reasons to daly the notification and so far it doesn't help anyway , Thanks Chiqueta and anybody try's to help and that help should be appriciated too much .

do you need some help? where is your wife? is she a member here?

chi

I support this because my husband and I are currently going through this same situation. We were married in Amman on July 16, 2006 and August 11, 2006 filed I-130. Everything was approved and his interview date was August 7, 2007. Approved. But before visa could be issued needed clearance from Jordan and then needed passport. Said case is under mandatory administrative processing and this could take an average of three months. Asked for passport again and returned passport again with letter saying that case was reviewed and that it needs more processing and this will take an additional three months. How much longer will this go on?

Sadly waiting, your case is in AP, not returned or denied.
I hate to say it but you are going through the same AP/AR hell as a lot of people in this forum but fortunately not the same situation as this thread...

Sara is right, it sounds like yours is the typical AP/AR. This is frustrating, but be grateful you don't have a returned petition. My husband didn't get his visa for 15 months after his initial interview, and this is considered fairly fast. Hopefully yours will go quickly.

I support this as well. Been in the middle of this since June 2006. Then put into AR in March and still waiting in Oct. Could be 24 months i am told by the congressman i wrote too... wait....wait....

as yoiu can see this has been pinned.

can you tell a bit about your case?

chi

Pinning has really caused some confusion around here!

hello:
i m new in this forum . my fiancee's file was sent back to uscis. i sent yesterday an email to each senator and representative in my state. i sent an email to cas, rabat ambassy. i sent an email to the state department and i m still gonna go tuesday to each senator and representative's office. i will fight them until the end because this is BS. enough is enough. the fees are so high that they think we will give up but they are wrong. there is anybody who got his file over turn after they send it back to USCIS?and was given a visa? et me know thanks

what did you say in your e mail to the consulate? sending an e mail to the embasy will do nothing. actually sending one to casa wont either but it does help to blow off steam. the same can be said of sending e mails to anyone including Pres Bush.

instead of sending an e mail to your reps---call them and get them on your case. you will have to fax a release for them to get info for you from casa. that is pretty much all they can do for you but at least you will have an answer as to WHY you were denied. most couples who are denied out of casa is "due to the validity of the relationship". could this be the reason for yours as well?

dont worry---if it was it will be quite easy to over come. this happened to us in 05 and has happened to many couples---you are not ALONE. not that it makes you feel any better but please know you will one day get a visa for your loved one.

first---what service center did you file with? that is important as you will later learn. have you read the pinned section about case being returned? if not go and read it. skip the stuff that is not related to you but absorb the stuff that does relate.

did you read the letter your fiance received form the consulate to make sure your case was really returned and not sent for security checks? just wanting to make sure that your case was really sent back. all applicants get the 221 g letter but for 2 different reasons.

i sent you a personal message.

chi

the congresswoman in my state told me that i have to go back there and marry my fiancee. she said that even if marriage doesn t guarantee that she will come here. at this time i just got a new job and it is impossible for me to go back to morocco and marry my love. any other suggestions? thanks

Sounds like you have to decide which is more important, your job or marry your love. Think of it this way, if you marry him and lose a job to do it, you can sure use it to prove your commitment at the K3 interview. Wish you good luck.

God Bless,

Paula

your congressman is WRONG!!!

you do NOT need to do that. only do it if you want to do it.

did your congressman find out the reason your case was denied and returned?

what service center did you file with? the gist right now is to file an aother application---USCIS is not reveiwing denied cases. by the time you hear this you may well have an answer to your first case. this is NOT what you want to hear i know but these are the facts we have for now.

there is an attrorney here who deals specifically with denied couples---he can help you.

chi

[quote name='ohiobuck' date='Oct 11 2007, 03:04 PM' post='1250696']
Sounds like you have to decide which is more important, your job or marry your love. Think of it this way, if you marry him and lose a job to do it, you can sure use it to prove your commitment at the K3 interview. Wish you good luck.

God Bless,

Paula


she need NOT do this Paula. why should she lose her hard earned job due to a CO who refuses to give the reason for their denial?? this couple will be needing lots of finances to prove their innocence. how on earth can they do that without her having no job??? certainly it cant be done on the his wages earned in Morocco! remember they are up against the American government and that is very expensive !!!

she should marry him where and when it is good for them not to impress a CO.

i say fight them and WIN!!! it can and is done! many couples have/are facing this same situation and are following the advice from those who have been through this rather long nightmareish process of denial and won!

one day---we can only hope soon---CO's will follow their own guidelines when in doubt about a couple's relationship. one suggestion is to video tape them. then the proof is there for each side to see what happened. right now CO's are LYING about relationships based on who knows what. this is so WRONG!!! and the couple has no proof to their innocence.

the good news is this>>>>

USCIS has reaffirmed couples and requests DOS to issue a visa!!!

the bad news is>>>>

USCIS has stopped reviewing these returned cases!!!
the couple has no recourse except refile again! some couples have been waiting 2 (or more) years to hear what is going on with their returned petition!!!! returned cases should be PRIORITY since the couples have already been through the approval process once.

these couples NEED valid advice---not bad advice such as quiting thier jobs to prove their love and innocence!!!

chi

This decision is yours, not any of ours. You have to decide based on everything. Maybe it's not 100% necessary for you to go to Morocco, but you may decide like I did it's worth sacrificing a job to get married and get him here with you. I had a new job, I lost it to marry my husband, but that was my decision, because I felt like it would help my husbands case to get here with me. And luckily it did. But like I said, it's your decision, you have to decide what you should do, what you are willing to do and what is best for your case since every couples case is different. Some people are know it all's here, they act like they are experts, but none of us are. So research what you have to do, research and try to figure our what will help your case be successful to get your love here asap. In short do what is needed for your case.

I wish you the best of luck and I am praying for you. Hopefully you don't have to go to Morocco and lose your job, but if you decide like I did I can sure understand how love is the most important thing.

To the rest of you, why can't you see sometimes the rules say one thing, on what you need to do. But as we all know, we have to prove to humans with judgemental opinions (the US Consulate) to get these visas, and I say we should do everything humanly possible to be successful. But why should I be surprised by these people that only like to attack ideals that are suggestions to help cases work successfully by looking how ways to put our cases in the best light to get the US Consulates to approve our Visa's. I think we all know they deny cases for unfair reasons that are not in the rules, and yes this is not fair. But why continue to deny they do not do this and not try to think of ways to make them think our cases are true and deserving of visas. That is what my husband and I did, we worked very hard from every step of the way to do things that would prove our relationship is true so we could fix any red flags and prove ourselves to get our relationships. And one of the ways I tried to prove myself was biting the bullet and going to Morocco even if it meant, bye bye new job. Jobs can be found, love is too important..................

God Bless, and I wish you luck in this process and in making your decision on every part of the immigration process so you are successful in the end.

Paula

Paula, good to see you posting; it's been too long. Insha'allah, all is well with you and your husband!