Yesterday was the saddest day of my life. Left for the airport at 4 AM. It was freezing ### cold in Kazan, and the wind was blowing. My girlfriend stood out in the cold with a little jacket on, to see me off and watch me drive away. I ran back to her 4 or 5 times to hug her. She was still standing there when we drove away. Leaving her there was the hardest thing I've ever done

Ah so you picked one! Come on tell us more about the trip!

I remember going through the departure at Vladivostok and almost crying, was a sad day, indeed!

Took a couple tours of the city. Saw the Kremlin and a Monastary, really pretty places. Would not recommend riding the buses around town they hit pot holes that will chip your teeth. Couldn't go to Russia with having a beautiful Russian hooker, but that is another story.

So you got a girlfriend and got laid by a hooker? Or are they one of the same?

Your parents must be so proud.

Good grief.

I just can't believe you. You are a disgrace.

Why are you even on VJ? You still haven't bought, I mean picked your wife yet have you?

OH MAN HERE WE GO AGAIN JEEEZ. How many guys go to Russia to get laid, probably everyone. If they say different they are lying.

How many are proud of it and tell an open forum about it???? Not many!

Sarah is right, you are a disgrace. But hopefully there's one out there for you.. who will screw you over.

Wow! Welcome back Cam!

So, tell us more about this hooker. Did you meet her in Kazan, or Moscow, or somewhere else? How much did you pay? Was she good? Did she good kinky things with you? Did you have sex with the girlfriend too, or just the hooker? Did you try for the 3-way? Wow!! This is good stuff!! Tell us more, please.

Does the girlfriend know about the hooker? Or is the hooker now the girlfriend? Or do you now have two girlfriends? Will you marry the hooker? Tell us everything!!

Cheers!
AKDiver

Can you go away now and never come back? Thanks!

Yes!! Please share!! I mean the kinkyness of a hooker is sooo much more important than the actually finding a wife part! Wife bah! who needs love eh?

You coulda saved a fortune tho, USA has hookers! Yes! I know! Weird huh?

AKDiver you sound like a college kid quizzing a frat brother on his conquests. Hey, maybe when Cam finds himself a russian piece of a$$, u could swap and compare notes? Now THAT would be fun! Be sure to record it for us all.

Your lack of respect for females abhors me

You guys are all funny!

Cam, welcome back to the States and to the VJ forum. When you get time, tell us more about what you did over there, how it all worked out, and clear up the hooker/girlfriend thing for the non-believers. Standing-by to hear the "pravda".....

Ummmmmmm, well no... I went to Russia five times... I didn't go to Russia any of those times ~to~ get laid.

In fact, my first fiancee, we didn't even sleep together my first trip over there...

Actually, I went to Russia to MEET someone and spend time with someone. It wasn't to "get laid".

When I did go there and meet someone I really liked and the chemistry was good, we had a good time together. Sometimes having a good time together included being intimate together. But I didn't make the trip in order TO get laid. So yeah, I "say different", and I'm not lying... but that's just me...

-- Dan








Since you haven't been around here much, and are just dropping into the middle of a dialog, I think you'll find that AKDiver meant that as TOTALLY sarcastic. If you'd participated in this forum for a while, you'd know that.

But people love to drop into this forum and just fan their flames, it seems...

-- Dan

"We now return you to our regularly scheduled flame-throwing..."

I still haven't done any "laundry" with my fiancee'

You oviously do not know sarcasm when you see it. If you had bothered to read much of the material here, you would know how I feel about Cam and his ways.

Your lack of a clue abhors me.

And who the hell are YOU to be spouting orders? Especially on this forum, you goddamned interloper. YOU can feel free to go away and never come back to our forum. Jezz - the nerve of some people. Maybe if you would bother to READ everthing we post instead of just enough to satisfy your preconceptions of what the people here are about, then you would be more informed on what some of the posts are actually about.

Dumbass.

Cheers!
AKDiver

YOUR forum??? I didn't see your name over the door, sorry!

Aside from that, I have READ other topics that have been brought up in VJ's Russian forum, and have previously bitten my tongue. So just maybe it's you that needs to be hit with the sarcasm stick and not me

I think this is the problem in the Russian forum with the AW "flame" thing.

See, truly I have no problem with wanting to find a soul mate in Russia...Dan, I think that you truly had noble intentions...you got screwed over, and actually you seem like a nice guy so that makes me sad....


but it's people like Cam that give all of you a bad name...ya know? I must say this post is appalling to me. I don't know if it's a joke...i feel like it almost HAS to be...but if I had found out my husband ever slept with a hooker, that would be a breaking point for me...especailly if he had come to visit ME....and then broken away to get laid by a hooker....personally, of course, but I find it hard to believe that the way ya'll describe Russian women in here...I would think that as proud and strong as tehy are, they would feel similarly...americanized or not - who wants their man whoring around?? Honestly?

So...there's my (probably unwanted) two cents.

The problem I see is folks who half participate in this forum coming in and making snap judgements. I frequent this forum and I have yet to read anyone seriously condoning hooker visits while looking for the love of their life.

Many folks here have a different sense of humor than I do but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt or if I dont get the joke I ignore it (or them). If you want to string someone up for comment at least have the decency to make sure you understand thier exchange and if the OP was not offended by AK's post then why not assume it was not meant in a bad way and might have been a bit of sarcasm or said tongue in cheek.

This is quite interesting. I definitely do not in any shape or form agree with the hooker comment by Cam. Obviously he's a misguided young man that will in time get what he deserves (screwed by a very smart RW). And those of you that couldn't see the sarcasm of AK Diver please read more than just the last post. Aren't we all adults here? At least I thought we were. This forum has some good information but also has been abused by some to depict the RW as some kind of "commodity". On the 17th of November my fiancee with arrive and I dont see myself coming back to this website for anything other than just some info on AOS. I hate to find myself laughing at the ignorance on this forum. I would much rather laugh at some good stories. Good luck to you all.

I agree that Cam's remarks can be construed in extremely bad taste, whether true or not, Caroline.

And I agree with your point of view on such things, personally

An interesting story, though, to share with you, once upon a time my ex- and I were talking about her first "boyfriend/SO" back in Russia when she was younger. (early twenties). And she said something to me like "one time he hired two girls for sex...".

My jaw about bounced off the floor. And then she asked me.... "you never hired prostitute before??"

HELL NO, never, and never would I either...

She shrugged and said "it's common in Russia for men to do this..."

Picking Caroline's jaw up off the floor and handing it back to her... True story, Caroline.

In term of Cam giving "all of us a bad name"? I think that's as silly as some of these guys blaming ALL American women for their experiences with a few...

-- Dan

As said a hundred times before... Why go to Russian to get laid..???? whats it cost ??$2--3,000 for the trip or more.. to get laid and treat women like objects.... "This is Stupid" ,very immature.. and self centered..but then that is why you posted it..Because you like the attention..

If your not serious about finding that special person..stop screwing it up for us guys that are serious.. and stay in the states ..

This reply is mainly for travlnmannn, so congratulations to the two of you. You have a date to mark down on your calendar! Our fiancee's had interviews on October 16 and passed. Three days later, my fiancee sent me a text message saying she had her visa in hand. It was like a weight being lifted off my shoulders after a 7 month journey so far. So I wish you the best when she arrives to Chicago.
As for the original post, I hope that Cam is joking in some way. Leaving the woman you love and not knowing when you will meet again is a very touching moment. I still remember seeing Irina for the last time as she saw me off at the Moscow airport before taking the 12 hour train ride back to where she lives in Cheboksary. It is a memory I will cherish forever. I thank him for this post by giving me the chance to remember my last sight of Irina. It is a nice, warm thought as I await her arrival to me on Thursday October 26, just a few days away.

Thanks Dan. And congrats to the both of you as well. I just wish my fiance was coming as soon as yours is. Galina has her visa in her hand (which was as well for me a great weight lifted off my shoulders) as well. I wish you the best as well. Now a new part of the journey begins which can be just as hard as the one we've just finished. We of course should always remember that communication is the key to good relationships.

I'm going to get slaughtered for this....... but,

Personally, I don't see the problem with partaking in the "services" of a working girl while in Russia. Cam (or anyone else for that matter) while on their first visit there is seeing for the first time the cornucopia of delicious women that are "available" that are not "available" in the States. This is something that exists. It is real. And for some people, it's too much to hold back from.

I guess I have more of a detached view on the whole situation. I look at it like this: If someone's going to meet someone for the first time to establish a loving relationship, maybe they don't want to mess it up with the pressures of making it sexual. However, they still want to have sex, so why not have sex with someone extremely attractive, and at a (very) affordable price? Then, later after the love devolopes, they'll be 100% faithful to their S/O, but in the mean time, they'll be able to have the sex they want to have, without complicating their relationship with the S/O.

I guess I just feel that it's natural for (men especially, and I'm not saying all men here, just a majority of the younger ones) people to want to have sex, and if they can, they will. What's so wrong about acknowledging the fact that it is the way it is? Is it because it doesn't happen to be like that for you, that it's "wrong?" Or is it the fact that simply because it's prostitution it's wrong?

(And just a quick newsflash: "Cheating" with a prostitute is WAY less significant than cheating with someone down the street or at work or that you met at the grocery store or whatever.)

Allright..... flame on!

I'm gonna be nice slim and say that I totally disagree with your view. I'm just letting it out easy but I'm sure there is a barrage of posts that will follow to dispute your words. I can get all the sex I want here in the states. Maybe it's because of your appearance that shy's women away from you. But for sure I have no problem in this department. I dont like to be so vain but it's life. Dont think for one minute that a woman doesn't judge you by your looks. In Russia and other countries women dont first see the looks as much as they might see that your American and it can be the chance of a good life. So good for you slim if thats what it takes for you to get laid I wish you luck with your Russian woman. I hope that you truly dont have such views that will corrode your relationship with your fiancee. Or maybe you'll get what you deserve ?

Yeah - I know. Some people are simply incapable of seeing others as individuals, rather than just a stereotype. I understand completely.

Good luck to you.

Cheers!
AKDiver

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

There is just TOO MUCH testosterone penetrating this forum! Reading this post at least, I couldn't help but mention this. The Middle East/North Africa forum seems so female in comparison, and frankly less jumpy if maybe a little more backbiting. But it's much more FUN. And they talk about other things besides how hot Middle East guys are. But they must be hot if all the girls are looking there--maybe they're just not into pushing that aspect and I think that's a confidence issue.
And the whole idea that a prostitute is somehow OK, better than someone you know...I think I'd feel much MUCH worse about the prostitute.
But, really, can't anybody say just about anything they want to here?
Pass the
--the (hot) RW
(who mainly stays away from here so she probably doesn't quite understand the complex personalities and nuances of those involved, sorry.)

I need the smiley zipping its mouth shut -- where is it when I need it??? dang.

Well....I don't have any problem with prostitution in general. I would never go to one, but to each their own. I think it should definitely be legal (my wife tells me it is not legal in Russia by the way). After all, what's the difference between selling out and slaving away for "the man" by using your brain, or actually giving some pleasure to someone by using your body? There is no moral issue involved.

The issue here is whether or not it is appropriate to use such services while on a visit to someone you're supposed to be having a relationship with. Personally, I think the answer is of course a resounding, "no fucking way". However, there is a clear, simple, and objective test to determine the truth of the matter. That test is this..... if our good friend Cam tells this girl that he visited a hooker while he was there, then clearly, it's not inappropriate, by his own standards. He isn't trying to hide anything, and this other girl can decide to continue a relationship with him (or not), knowing all the facts. On the other hand, if our good friend Cam conceals this fact, well, then he is clearly ashamed of his actions, has something to hide, believes that telling this girl is not a good idea, and the only reason can be that he believes it will damage this relationship. By hiding this fact, he is clearing lying to her (a lie of omission), and reveals himself to be the dirt bag that we (except Slim) believe him to be. I'm willing to bet this is the case - he will not tell this girl about his visit to the hooker, and based on everything Cam has said since he showed up in this forum, I have no doubt that he is a dirt bag. I knew he would have SOMETHING interesting to say when he came back. I knew he wouldn't let me down - but I thought for sure it would involve being scammed in some way, I didn't expect this. But in the end, he didn't let me down. (:

As for whether or not this is a joke of some kind, no, i don't think so. Cam has demonstrated himself to be a dirt bag with most of his posts. Visiting hookers is something that seems to be in his character. I'm not surprised he would visit a hooker, but given the level of intelligence he has displayed on here however, I am surprised that he managed to successfully negotiate the transaction. She must have spoken pretty good English. My guess is he overpaid though. My wife says hookers in Kazan go for $5-$10/hr (sometimes they advertise I guess). In Moscow, it's no doubt quite higher. She also says that diseases are a really big problem - so we can all only hope that Cam made the wise choice to wrap his willy. However, given the attitudes toward birth control in Russia, it's a fair bet that this isn't the case. All the more reason why he should tell anyone he choses to be involved with about his hooker visiting habits, which of course, I would bet money he will not do. So, how about it Cam, will you tell these girls you are communicating with about your hooker experience? Why, or why not?

On an unrelated note, I personally think that anyone who is spending time with hookers isn't ready for marriage with any woman, regardless of where she is from, or what twisted logic one uses to justify it.

I said OUR forum, not MY forum. Pinhead.

Nice try. Thanks for playing, pinhead.

Good lord. Then go the ###### away. No one is forcing you to come here. Don't let the door hit you on the ### on the way out.

What is it with the people who come here, who have nothing to do with Russian/US immigration issues, contribute NOTHING to the forum, and pollute the threads with their off-topic crap? You people contribute nothing, so why are you here? Have you people nothing better to do? Jezz.

Cheers, and good luck to all!
AKDiver

I think prostitution is disgusting...that's just my personal opinion...I would NEVER be with a man who had been with one - and I'd bet most A.W would agree...just one more reason for some of ya'll to cross us off your list

Well done!

See everyone, this is how you disagree with someone's post without calling them names or slinging personal insults.


Allow me to retort. I'm simply trying to illustrate the point that there are WAY more hot chicks in Russia that are "available" to any man. (For a fee.)

I did not say that I "partake" in their services, becuase I don't (didn't) but I can see why some people would. I too do not have a problem finding sex here, but that's not the point.

The point is, I can see why someone going to meet a perspective mate for the first time who only had a series of "dates" set up with them, and then the perspective mate would go home, the traveller would go back to the hotel, etc., I don't see the problem with going out or even "partaking" in the services of a working girl. After all, the traveller is "looking" for a perspective mate, and the more interaction with others that (s)he has, the better the chances of finding a mate.

Once again, not saying I do or did any of this, just saying I can't knock someone for doing it.

Ok, well before you started up your flame-thrower, it appeared to me that "nfs" ~IS~ involved in Russian/US immigration issues...

from their profile:



additionally, she signed her posting:



Maybe it's just me, but that implies to me that she is a Russian woman posting that... so I don't think it's fair to say to her:



I mean that's how ~I~ read her posting, perhaps you should re-read it, before your flamethrower gets ignited???

-- Dan

So don't go to one...and don't become one. Duh. I personally wouldn't ever go to one either, but I don't care if someone else does.

newsflash honey, you were never on our "lists".

Tried that - but patience wears thin after a while when it becomes clear that certain people are just trolls and baiters, who don't actually contribute anything (note that tman is not in this category), and they ignore the thoughtful posts, and just want to tell you how evil you are.

I read her post entirely the first time. I knew the facts as you pointed out when I made my reply. Fact is, I have seen no contribution and nothing but criticism from this poster, and despite the fact that she may be a RW (I hate that term), she doesn't seem any different from the rest of the trolls & baiters to me.

Cheers!
AKDiver

Tell us how you really feel, AKDiver!

Right now, I feel hungry. It's good that lunch is cooking (:

Cheers!
AKDiver

I hope you enjoy your lunch.
I don't think I was off-topic at all for this post, and I haven't ever posted before here, just my fiance is nfs, and I doubt that he has had critical things to say. He has gotten a lot of helpful information from VJ. And I wasn't actually meaning to get you all riled. But I am pretty disgusted with the endless stuff going on here about all the hot Russian women and that was why I made my comment. I am in a different situation from most of my Russian friends in that I have spent a lot of time in the US and know what I'm getting into. I feel sad that so many women marry men they barely know as their only way to escape hardship in their country, marry men who can't speak their language. Yes I know it's what-you-might-call voluntary, hopefully they will grow to love each other, but American women do not generally have to make such choices. And I don't mean to say that all you people are like that because I know there are many different cases, such as AKDiver. But maybe you could think about what you say, think how it sounds to a person like me who knows the women you are talking about.
Unless this is just a boy's club here.

Umm I didn't say I hate prostitution so don't ever go to one - I was just expressing an opinion - i even said JUST MY OPINION...

I thought we were getting along so much better now!!! Guess not

You are right in that there are many different cases and I dont agree with a lot of what is being said here but I come because there are some folks who have actual information I need so I take what I need and ignore the rest. You have to realize this is probably a very small segment of the Russian/American relations so to judge the entire Russian/American relations by this board, in my opinion would be silly.

My understanding of my fiance's situation is based on what I have seen and what she tells me. I will trust her until she gives me a reason not to, as I try to treat most people. But believe me I am not gulliable unless I want to be. She is very successful and able to help her family (she lives with her parents) because of her job. She is in line for taking over for her supervisor upon the supervisor's retirement. Comparitively she has a much better job than I do. She went to a special school that focused on English but I do plan on becoming compitent in Russian and am working on it. She said until she met me she had planned on living her life alone taking care of her parents and having fun with friends. Funny cause I felt the same way.

So while you may find some people on this board who think of Russian women in the way you described we do not all think this way. Some of use truly want a partner who we feel understands us and who we want to understand and spend our lives together laughing, loving, and raising a family.

Also, as smart as Anna is I have already told her the first thing we will do when she gets here is open her a checking account in her name alone (or as soon as possible) and put enough money in it so she can go back to Russia if she ever feels things just are not working out. Some would say this is providing her with an escape plan, that is fine with me becaue I do not ever want to her to feel trapped.

Paul

I don't think your remarks were off-topic or not useful either, and I think it's important to represent your point of view here as well. Just as I try to represent mine, which is also different from this person's, or that person's.. that's why it's a FORUM, a collection of opinions... no one person here can say they have a monopoly on the truth for all people who participate here...



I think their reasons for marrying a Western (Aussie, American, British, etc.) man are as diverse as the WM's reason for seeking their potential partner in Eastern Europe, Russia and other countries. In fact I think just about every couple, and every guy has a different story to tell.

And yeah, some guys are just about the external looks of "wow, check these babes out", but then again, the men in various countries, France, Italy, other countries are well known for "checking out the hotties". The thing is, they don't post here.

I think some of what Slim is saying is that "boys are boys" and we check out the girls... we can't deny part of our decision to bond with someone is often based on the fact we are physically attracted to them. Women have a much deeper and more subtle attraction pattern, that is not solely based on the looks and physical attributes of their partner.

In the case of some men, we could argue this is a good thing, or perhaps the human race might be in danger of not surviving.

Anyway, I appreciated your thoughts and I didn't feel that the remarks directed in your direction were appropriate... However, as we both can agree, the opinions expressed here are as diverse and different as there are posters who post them.

-- Dan

I would like to remind everyone that oppinions are like @$$#oles, everyone has them. (Or is it "everyone has one?" There was a whole Rescue Me episode with this topic as a subplot. Great show. Also, great topic!)

Anyway, I'm going to throw a little popcorn at AKDiver and get him all riled up.

AKDiver, you're talking about trolls and baiters, but I'd like to give you the ultimate troll and baiter award. For those of you who don't remember, shortly after AKDiver's fiancee arrived in the States, well, in Alaska, he got on VJ with the token "things are going great. We love each other, she got a good job, etc., etc., etc.... Then, about a month later, he dropped the bomb on us:

INTERPOL and the FBI along with USCIS Agents busted down the door at 2AM and took his wife into custody. Turns out that she had "laundered" the $35,000 that was supposedly from the sale of her apartment and business back in Russia, through the bank that she was now working at, and had plans to rob this bank too. The money from Russia wasn't actually from the sale of her home and business, it was from various bank robberies that she had pulled off there as well, and she had only married AKDiver to get away from the cops that were hot on her trail in the home country. He was very upset, and even disappeared from VJ for several weeks to let the pot simmer.

This "tangled web of deception" sparked a huge thread both here on the Russia forum, and in the Off-Topic forum as well. I'm too lazy to look it up, but if you check it out, it was several pages long, and there were conspiracy theories a-plenty on what really happened, and if AKDiver was in Jail for conspiracy or immigration fraud, or some other far-fetched madness.

So, when he talks now about trolls and baiters, I'm taking it with a grain of salt, and I'm sitting back and my @$$ off because I remember once upon a time when AKDiver reigned supreme in the world of those who collect tolls at bridges in mythical lands.

THE TROLL KING, AKDiver!!!


(In all actuality, I rather enjoyed the whole "fiancee/international bank robber" farce. It really did make it to legend status here on VJ, and I admire the brains it took to concoct a story so grand! Cheers AK. Cheers.)

First I think AK is just getting ready to unleash on Slim. So this may get good. I'll bring the popcorn Anyhow, Slim, I would have to disagree with you that it's ok to partake in the services of a working woman. How can you truly direct your attention and efforts towards your dates if your thinking about the hooker thats showing up to the room at 2am to get your rocks off. Your mind can't truly be 100% focused on the task at hand and thats to find a woman that you are compatible with and that you might want to spend the rest of your life with. It's like an american couple and they are having problems. Then one of them goes out and cheats and takes time for this other person. How can the married couple take time to fix the problem if one of them is out bangin someone else and putting time and effort into an extramarital affair.

I like that word Pinhead, AK Diver


I havent heard that since I left home.

You know - on this forum, in several different threads, I have spoken AT LENGTH on respect for women, the need for honesty in a relationship, and related things. I don't think I have much more to say on the issue. Dig around, read it if you want to.

Well, you did say "I think prostitution is disgusting...that's just my personal opinion...I would NEVER be with a man who had been with one ." If there is a distinction there, I'm not sure what it is.

and, what? You want a prize? We are ALL expressing our opinions. They don't even need to be labeled as "JUST MY OPINION" as pretty much anyone who needs to can distinguish between opinion and fact.

Amen, brother!

Amen, brother!!! Please do not group us all into the "we only want to have sex with hot, easy to control wives, plus prostitutes" category.

This is such a farce - as if women, from all countries, do not also check out who they perceive to be hotties. Honestly, it astounds me that the fact that people like to look at hotties is news to anyone.

Nah...I'll take the compliment and remind you that there is a HUGE difference between posting what was supposed to be, and what many people surmised, was an OBVIOUS JOKE, and picking a fight with a "Russian Mail-Order Bride" comment. I couldn't believe that people took such a post seriously and was amazed at how it caught fire. It just goes to show you, generally-speaking, people are dumber than you give them credit for. (:

I've spent a lot of time in Canada. Probably seen more of it than most Canadians (: I loved Nova Scotia, I wouldn't mind living there if it were not for the high taxes and general socialism. (:

Nah..if I wanted to unleash on Slim, it would have been over his "I can understand why Cam would go visit a hooker shortly before or after he went to visit the possible love of his life" comments. Some pretty twisted logic in there that cost Slim some respect in my book. But hey, Slim doesn't know me, so why should he care? Hint: he shouldn't. (:

I agree with all of this. But in the case of a truly single person, then I see no issue with a girl (or guy) going out to visit all the hookers she (he) wants. No harm done, and a lot more honest & straight-forward than going on a "date", spending lots of time and money on the pretense of "getting to know someone" when really all you want is to get laid, that's for sure.

Besides, what's the difference between deciding to have sex with someone you meet at a bar simply because you want to get laid, and deciding to have sex with someone you meet on the street corner simply because you'd like to get laid and don't mind paying cash in the process? Finding one any less disgusting than the other is purely a matter of propaganda absorption.

That leave one to argue that both are equally bad - in comparison with the "way it should be", where you only have sex with someone you are in love with. OK, I'll buy that, it's certainly my view, but it is still arbitrary, and completely dependent on one's opinion about sex, love, and probably a few other things. There is no absolute truth involved in such a belief.

Then we move on to the other extreme, "sex is only for people who are married." Again, just another opinion, this time based on the supposed absolute truth of some moldy old text. In the end, it's still just an opinion.

So, in the end, what are we left with? In the general sense, who should have sex with who is just opinion. As a result, some people will have sex with other people in circumstances where we might not do so. Big deal! As long as no one is getting hurt, and this is the key here, no one else is getting hurt, then what business is it of ours and why should we care? Hint: we shouldn't.

Then we move on to something of substance - having sex with someone else, where it affects a third party in some definite, tangible, usually negative way. How is this defined and measured, and are there degrees of how "bad" it is?

That will have to wait for another time - I need to study for my Russian quiz, which is in about 20 minutes. (:

Cheers!
-AKDiver

That's all I'm saying too. Sex is up to the person doing it. I don't agree with participating in sex with someone while "looking" for someone else (although I'm not opposed to it either) all I'm saying is I have my personal oppinions on sex and dating, and so does everyone else. However, I've known enough people to know that some will, and do, have sex with multiple people at once, and have no problem with that. Like AKDiver said, it's up to the individual.

I just love this quote (:

That quote needs to be on the quote board. One of the best quotes of all time.

A thought just occurred to me. This guy worried about a scamming woman in Kazan could BE Cam! We never heard from him after this thread. Maybe he finally hooked up with a non-hooker.

Except Cam doesn't write with an accent. Also he seems to be able to spell KaZZZZan!

Maybe the last hooker he went to had a pimp that wanted his money and klunked him in the head - causing a little brain damage and a speech/writing defect.

It can't be Cam because Cam was keeping it real. "Dude, have you seen the hookers over there? Hell yeah I hooked up with "one" of them."

This new poster is being a little more guarded in his typings and not offering up any info without being prodded. New posters always jump on with a "hey I'm so-and-so from blah-blah-blah and I just met the best girl ever...." this guy was like, "mox, you got played, any tips you can make public so everyone else can join in pointing and laughing at you?"

Not hard to figure out who that was.

Cam would've been like, "dude, sorry to hear what happed with you and Natash... er, um, I mean, Nadia. Anyway, there are like so many more hot ones over there, don't even sweat it bro. Next time you wanna go over, PM me and we'll go together. Last time I was there they were offering a group discount and... anyway, check the PM."