Well they denied the Visa at the interview!!!! Reason: not enough documention proving we met before Aprii!!! We actually met in the summer of 2005 and provided 5 notarized affadvits stating so, plus phone bills, pictures from my recent trip to her country, diamond ring reciept etc etc etc. I can't believe this. My fiance saw me through a life threatening ilness at the begining of the year and a 5 month recovery and they question the validity of our relationship! I am beside myself.

Did they tell you what to do next? I am very sorry to hear this. But, I am sure there is something that you can do.....

Oh . . .outright denial or request for further evidence to prove the relationship? What did they advise you to do next? Do you have an attorney?

What paperwork did you get? You can have a temporary denial and needing AR/AP too.

221g is a temporary denial.
221 g can also say it is being sent back to the service center to be reviewed again. They can ask for more ongoing evidence of your relationship.
212 is an outright denial.

Mary

Yeah, get some non-existent pictures prior to April. The thing is even if we where togeher since April, which is not the case, that in itself constitutes 7 months! I was just in her country for 2 weeks!

What did they tell you can you go back with more evidence of knowing and being with each other before April? Do you have or can you acquire more evidence; credit card statements, airline tickets, passport stamps, money exchange, hotel invoices, receipts, etc.

If you met in the summer of 2005 you should have some evidences; airline tickets, passport stamps, hotel receipts, telephone call log, credit card statements, etc.

They are not worried about current status according to you so concentrate on evidence prior to April 2006.

Good luck

Peter Miami

oh dear, I am really sorry to hear this. I hope you can find the measures to get it resolved ASAP.

Stay strong hang in there and fight like hel1 for your Visa

If they met in the summer of 2005 what is the significance of April 2006. It looks like the petition was file in August 2006. I am confused....

Can you give us more detail, I am confused as well. Why are they concerned with evidence
before April ?

Before anyone here can effectively help you, you are going to need to provide us with some information. Did you get the 212 or the 221g?

If you got the 221g, what box is checked, and what are their notes underneath the checked box?

Optional Form 191 (4-91)

I can find no reference to this form under USCIS or DOS

If you think that it was not fair and you realy gave to the embassy all what it was requested, contact your USA Senator (by phone) and complain with him/her, they can contact the USA embassy and ask for an explanation. It realy works.
Good luck!

Fred I have a question for you? Have you been residing in Romania for a long period of time? Since you said your fiance had nursed you back to health. If so the only forms I am finding on the USCIS website deals with Unrelenquished Domiclie? Here is the link http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/files/i-191.pdf. This may not be helpful. But good luck.

Mary

The form is "pursuant to section 221". The reason - "not enough documentaion prior to April 2006" which makes no sense - there is nothing magical about April. I am amazed at the power some people wield. My very expensive lawyer has sent an appeal.




No - just got back from a two week visit. She was here (legally) for a year and a half, up until mid-June

I am so very sorry to read of this, and in a way I can understand what you are going through. I cannot give you any advice but do just want to say that i hope and pray that you can get this resolved

Any photo copies of your passport showing you were in the Country

Copies of her entry/exit stamps would be further primary documentation of you being together prior to April then. There must be other proofs if she was with you for that long... mail addressed to her/cards, letters, email that indicate she was there with you/receipts she may have for expenses while she was there.

Most of the cases refusal (221g) are because of documents missing or additional information required by the consulate.

If you provide the necessary documentation (even when their request seems strange or ridiculous) you should be fine.

This is what I was thinking, that they are requesting more documentation.

Fred, you giving us bits and pieces here. Does it state that they want more documentation or does it say they are sending it back to the USCIS service center that initially approved your petition?

Also, I am sure there are many people that can testify to the fact that you were indeed together during the time you stated. You can get letters from them stating this. Make sure they include a phone number so they can contact them for more information if they choose too.

They photos of me (with her) in the country at significant landmarks

What about copies of your passport pages?

They have noterized affadvits or our relationship from 5 people, pictures of us in her country, a video of her dancing at my sisters house, phone bills, passport stamps, emails and on and on. I was very ill at the begining of the year, which they know) and we have no earlier pictures and the phone bills are unavailable. I am not in the habit of saving movie tickets or restaurant receipts either. THis is ridiculous as I mentioned before even if we did meet only since April then that is still completely legitamte. Nevertheless they have overwhelming proof and it is evidence of how subjective a system this is.

Since they are looking for evidence of them being together PRIOR to his visit, copies of HER passport pages with entry/exit stamps would be of more use.

Which they have along with full documention of her stay here which was 20 minutes from my residence!

If the visa was denied based on "lack of evidence" (no matter how ridiculous this is), you have no choice but to provide what they are asking for. If you don't have hard copy receipts, what about credit card statements with the relevant items highlighted? Do whatever you can to get what they need and resend what they already have as well. It's not fair and it's a huge pain but it will be worth the trouble in the end. Good luck!

Have you given the Consulate documentation prior to April or not?

You don't have anymore documentation? Why can't you get phonebills? While in the United States, did she write letters to her family back in Romania? Did she take community college classes or hold a part-time job? Did she have a cell phone in her name? Did she sign up for anything at all that you could get to prove that she lived in the United States for the past year?

You haven't said if they are asking for more evidence or if your petition has been returned. That makes a difference.

You should try to contact the Consulate.

What you might want to do, in the worst case scenario, is go to the interview with her, if you can possibly schedule a second interview. Another poster did that and it proved successful.

Hang in there.

I am so sorry! You will be in my prayers. May God Bless you and ease the pain that you must be feeling right now. I pray that your appeal is successful and that this issue is resolved. You will remain in my prayers.

Oh my GOD!!! Im really sorry for you! ....Im going to have my interview next week!!! Im so sorry!!!

i am really confused about this case

You are not the only one. I still can't figure out whether they are questioning the validity of the relationship, or they're questioning whether adequate proof was provided of meeting in person during the two years prior to filing the petition, or whether they're requesting to see a filed I-191 form (and I don't know why they'd want that, but maybe it has something to do with the US domicile requirement for the affidavit of support?).

It's vital to find out what they want before making a plan to provide it to them. Providing them lots of good evidence to overcome one grounds of inadmissibility will not help at all if their only objection is to a different grounds of inadmissibility.

Simple: box 221g checked on denial form. Hand written explantion "Not enough evidence of relationship prior to April 2006". We stated we met in the summer of 2005 which we had. Most of the evidence is from this spring. As I stated before we have pictures together, phone bills/records, noterized affadavits, reciept for a very expensive ring, a trip to her country, she was here legally for a year and a half twenty minutes from my home - all proven through evidence. It's simple, there is more then sufficient evidence, they didn't like it, and excercised their power. As I said my fiance nursed me through a life threatenging illness at the begining od the year. To go through such trauma and then have a beuracrat invalid your lives together is not a pleasant experience. Lawyer has appealed and I am gathering more evidence. I will not give up!!!! If there is one thing I hate it's injustice and I will fight for whats right!

Oh, I am so sorry to hear, I dont want even to imagine how you both feel about this. I know how I felt waiting for anser to next day - no sleeping and frustration.
Hang on there, must be the way how to be togeather. Dont give up!