To explain what I feel is inconsiderate.

Leaving in the morning without a goodbye.

Going to sleep without a goodnight.

Driving around St. Petersburg without knowing where
we are going.
And she drives like a nut too!

Everything possible to make you feel unwanted.

The lady watching her son is from the north
of Russia. Where my friend is from. Her best childhood friends mother.
They are constantly talking. I ask where are we going?
Answer.. To an interview, I have to meet someone. ?????????

Today we went to a shopping mall.
She says lets go this way... Then she disappears!!
The lady... Galina. Is frantic, I am pissed. I found her an
hour later shopping in a store. I asked why she left us?
She offers to give me one of her cell phones to give to Galina.

Galina is a very nice lady.. We comunicate through a dictionary.
She is constantly apologizing to me about my friend. She says
that I am a good man))
Her son is great also.. I am his best friend))

But, she is a complete different person than before.

I said today to her. " You seem different than before "

She says... " I am different, I don't know why. Maybe you to "

She says that I probably need a fat ugly wife that will sit home and
worry about when I will be home.

All I want out of anyone in my life is to be considerate!!
What is wrong with saying.... I am going to shop. I'll meet you wherever
in an hour???

I told her to find a flat and I would send money to pay.
Guess what!! I did!!

I guess I am asking to much from this one((

We have known each other for 7 months. We talked regularly on the
phone and emailed at least 3 times per week.

I had a great time in July with her and her son.
She was a relaxed and caring person. Now she runs around like
a chicken with it's head cut off and doesn't seem to care about others.

I am sorry if this doesn't make sense. If I was in a country where I
could read)))). I would have a good time anyway. Since I paid for the flat
I will continue to stay here...and suffer))

After my relationships with American woman. I thought alone was the
way for me.

By accident I saw and wrote to this girl ( she did not have the most beautiful picture )
She just seemed like a nice woman. When I saw her for the first time I was amazed
at how beautiful she was.

Now she wants to marry a rich Russian man and she will reimburse me))).

Any advice on where or how to meet a nice considerate woman??

Again I am sorry about the rambling letter.

Ed

What other signs are you looking for???? Walk away now...cut your losses. You have no chance. Wish you good luck in finding a good woman who shares the same values as u do

Good grief.......ruuuuun !!!!!! In the opposite direction !!!!!! I would not
want to be around her for another day ..............

After your explanation, I can say it seems to me, really you are not asking too much from your realtionship.. Everyone deserves to be treated with at least a minimum baseline of respect, and and frankly it doesnt appear that you are being given that. Also, how are you expected to develop a close, honest & open relationship with one another if you cant even relate to her anymore?

I sadly agree with the others here, I would try and make as good of an experience out of this as possible and learn from it, but get out of there and find one you are more compatible with. Good luck to you, in whatever you decide.

Now that you have clarified, I would agree that you should mark this up to a life lesson. An expensive one but a life lesson none the less. I am sorry this did not work out and she has become a different person.

On the bright side, imagine what it would have been like if she had changed after you were married and had kids.

Paul misses Anna

Dude, go shopping!!!

That's your apartment, don't be scared to bring new people (as in HOT LADIES) over for a "nightcap."

If the girl you're there with right now is not jumping through hoops to impress you, something is terribly wrong. Don't waste your time in Russia trying to salvage something that obviously isn't going to make you happy in the end.

FIND A NEW ONE!!!!!

I think you have a serious problem with that relatrionship. I would quit, NOW

I'm with Slim. Go out while you are there in Russia and find someone. There are tons of women in St. Petersburg that will talk to you. Dont think for a minute there isn't a woman there looking for you.

it is your flat...there are women everywhere...just go out and get you one, or two, or as many as you like...seriously, there are many women...simply look, and don't be afraid to speak to them...as for the girl now...tell her your time together has finished and she must leave now !!!!

Yes, I forgot that part in my previous post... kick her out of the flat! But, I have a feeling that if you're bringing ladies over, she'll get the point. (She probably won't leave... free rent is nice) but she'll get the idea that you're not going to support her after you find a "good one." And, any decent Russian girl that likes you and that you like, will have no problem telling this other girl that her freeloading days of not being considerate are over.

I'd be careful about what kicking anybody out. The Russian lady could simply bring a false claim of sexual assualt against this poor guy and the miltia will have him locked up for days before they let him out. Who are they going to believe? And you don't even want to know what kind of treatment he'll get in a Russian jail cell.

Tons Of women in St Pete
here is a phone number
Olga - nice girl 28. Great to hang out with!
see picture on www.annaalexandrova.com black haired girl green eyes
+79112238828




Need a body Guard
Denis Sanshayn
+7 (911) 913 0681

Forget GTR... I'm going with John's Travel to Russia for my next trip. Girls, body guards... that's a great start, I like where you're going with this! Very 007.

Even better: there are girls who are also bodyguards. One nightclub in St Petersburg last year was well-known for hiring only young, attractive "sportswomen" as bouncers.

But do they want to talk to American men? I never got to find out. Somebody else will have to do the research. Make sure your medical insurance is current.

And you know, just wait till they find out they can file a false claim of abuse in America and basically get handed their green-card (if they can fabricate the evidence as well...) Don't think that IMBRA isn't going to COACH them on how to do this??? HAH!

My ex-wife TRIED to fabricate a DV... she only succeeded in a "Domestic Disturbance, no evidence of violence found..." call by the local police.

It was at that moment I decided divorce was an immediate and necessary option. I wasn't going to risk having a trumped-up DV on my record, nor having to pay mucho $$$$ to defend myself from one, either

Oh yeah, you might ask, what I had done?????

I had closed the garage door while she was standing out front of the house.

Yup, that was it. We were having an arguement, and I didn't want her to see me locking the checkbook and credit cards in the car, so I closed the garage door first while she was standing outside the garage.

She didn't come to the front door, ring the door bell, knock on it, come around back, the back door was open, nothing like that...

She simply marched off, three doors down the street, to where one of our neighbors is a policeman and his patrol car was parked out front, and putting on her best "helpless Russian girl" pouty-face apparently told him: "He throws me away from house!".

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

Don't think these women aren't "heetri" for one minute.... She was very very good at playing "poor helpless Russian woman who doesn't understand things, being treated sooooooooo badly by nasty nasty man she married..."

-- Dan, getting pissed off just thinking about it....

I've read that they already knew about this before IMBRA but IMBRA tells exactly HOW to do it!

You are one SICK SOB!!!! Dan, I pray to God that no Woman looking for a good Man finds your trap. No Russian or any other nationality. Yes you say you where Burned.
Your description of what happened seems very innocent:


I had closed the garage door while she was standing out front of the house.

Yup, that was it. We were having an arguement, and I didn't want her to see me locking the checkbook and credit cards in the car, so I closed the garage door first while she was standing outside the garage.

She didn't come to the front door, ring the door bell, knock on it, come around back, the back door was open, nothing like that...

DAN! She was probably afraid for her life!!!! All you seen was money. all she saw was an escape to live! You are the fact why IMBRA exist!!!

My opinion! I'm glad to share it and will continue to! You Have no Woman??? Do you Wonder Why???

Leave your comments to your yourself. Join a self help forum for mutual lonely men with masturbation habits!

Youy need help or a Hooker.

Hey LuvLife I do agree that there are two sides to every story. But dont just assume that Purrsuede is the one that is telling the lies. You have no clue as to what happened. Nor will you ever have a clue as to what happened. So dont make assumptions. You sounded like a total a s s for writing what you wrote. Maybe if you had read some of the previous posts from Purrsuede you might actually believe him. But it's neither here nor there because we are not in the middle of the situation to totally understand what happened. So keep your dumba s s comments to yourself. Do you honestly believe that all foreign women are saints and that they couldn't do something like this. Dont think that there are foreign women that aren't praying on the self-absorbed spoiled American Male. If you think that all foreign women are right then you need to give yourself a good kick in the a s s. This forum is off the mark for sure.

And in this corner, wearing the red trunks and weighing in at a whopping 50 kilos.....

It's a good point that none of us really know what happened. I can tell you that as a policeman who responded to domestic calls, (in the Air Force, once upon a time) it is very difficult, even as the cop, to determine what happened.

I won't even take a stab at this situation. All I can say is that if a woman says something happened, the cops have no choice but to take the matter a little further and investigate (a.k.a. generate a report that ends up having both parties in court and more often than not having the man hire a lawyer and spend extra money) the matter.

Bottom line: kiss her @$$ when she's pissed, but then get what you need or want later.

Afraid for her life? Oh excuse me, you don't know about all the other friends who were "coaching" her about the finer aspects of immigration, like how to file fraudulent documents with the USCIS... that was ~her~ help... and I have no doubt they were coaching her on "how to file a DV claim to get a free ride from the USCIS" as well...



Uh huh... I need help??? LOL... I got my help... it was called DIVORCE attorney...

If you don't have a clue how these RW can "heetri" around any situation or all the manipulative stuff she was trying to do...

I hope you don't wake up to find out more about the Russian mentality than you ever ~dreamed~ existed.



May I suggest the same for "your yourself" as well? LOL

-- Dan



The police told me they have no choice but to INVESTIGATE. And their finding was "domestic disturbance, no evidence of violence by either party".

They told us to separate for the evening. They told us if we wanted to go at it again at 8:01 AM the next morning we were free to do so, but there would be no further contact that evening.

They gave us BOTH information on how to request a "domestic restraining order" against the other party.

They said if there was any evidence of violence someone WOULD have been arrested, and as Slim says, both parties wind up in court, I'd have needed to wind up hiring a lawyer to defend myself.

I'm not expecting anyone to take sides. I could care less at this point anyway, but the point was, they ARE smart enough to know that filing a false claim IS an option, and I know another guy this happened to as well.

Because of his advice, I immediately thereafter bought a digital voice recorder and the next time she tried anything, I switched it on and recorded our conversations, in case it would be needed for "evidence".

Amazingly the situation cooled quickly. Gooooo figure!

And I marched off quickly to a divorce attorney because I wasn't going to spend $1,000's of dollars defending myself against a manufactured and fraudulent DV claim.

-- Dan

Nice thing about forums is you can call someone a Dumb ### but never have to say it to their face. This works in your fortune. Forums are about discussion and many people differ. You seem ignorant to this fact. No I did not sit back and examine the posts prior for examples of how the guy was terrorized by this Woman. I'm referring only to the member I replied to. I read the post that is the subject, and commented on that. Maybe I was harsh, but it was my opinion.

Mr. Luvlife..First I want to say that by no means do I hide behind this screen and believe that I can use this forum to call people a dumb a s s. I have no problem to call it to your face. You commented on a post but didn't truly understand what was behind the whole situation. So dont just assume that by reading one post that you've recieved all necessary information to pass judgment on this person or situation. Yes this forum is about being able to voice our opinions and get good information. But dont abuse your opinion in such a manner that it makes you look like a dumb a s s. Good luck on your journey

Wow! Way TOO MANY signs! RUN!!!

Yeah, and why you are resurrecting this thread almost a month later is beyond me....

but since you have, I fail to see one IOTA how closing a garage door, so your (soon-to-be-ex-) wife doesn't see you putting your financial documents in your car (for your own protection) constitutes an action worthy of the following (flame-laden) replies, that you claim to be "discussion":




So before you accuse others, perhaps you'd care to elaborate on your point of view? That is, if you'd care to discuss it, without the accusatory flames of your first post directed towards me? Or are you ignorant of your own flames, under what you seem to feel was "discussion"??

If you are capable of rational "discussion" which you said in your own post, is what a forum is all about? I know better than to expect an APOLOGY, fer God's sake, after a post like that from you....

That post of yours certainly was NOT discussion, nor did it lend anything in any manner conducive TO discussing... would you care to express yourself in a respectful rational DISCUSSION??

I won't hold my breath.

-- Dan

Reading this thread reminds me of the MENA forum.

awww

This was a struggle with some of my wife's friends. Fortunately, my wife is not like this. For some reason this seem to be acceptable behavior for SOME Slavic women. The culture does not lend itself to much in the way of courtesy towards the opposite sex. It is rarely given or received. I have found exceptions (my wife)...but not many. You are looking in the wrong country if this behavior bothers you.

Joel



Yeah! Isn't it great!

Joel

# 1. Yes, Russians can be a little rude by American Standards. I think it is not so much they want to be rude they are just very direct and say things as they are instead of trying to spare peoples feelings. It is a lot different than here but in a lot of ways it is a better way to do things. If things like that go against what someone can accept they really should be looking somewhere else. However showing a lack of courtesy as described in the opening posts to me is a good sign the gal is not the right one. I think she really just doesn't have a lot of feelings for someone she should be totally enthralled with.

# 2. Yes, you can call someone a dumb whatever in a forum and not have to worry about getting punched out but it is far better when someone disagrees with someones ideas and not their person. Anyone who feels a need to call someone a dumb whatever probably does not have the patience to succeed with a foreign bride anyway.

# 3. There are two sides to any story. I have often heard a story that almost has you crying for the person and then heard the otherside which was far worse. I think it is not good to judge anyone by one side unless the way they tell the story is admitting they are a creep.

# 4. Size is not important. The fact that the guy weighs twice as much as the gal has no bearing. The worst gal I was ever involved with weighted 100 pounds and I saw her make 250 pound guys shake in their boots. Once this gal had her teeth in you they were set more than a lions would be. I spent years trying to get away from her. When I filed for a PFA they had to have 7 cops surround her at the hearing to keep her under control. I had to hide out for a year and a half watching my rear view mirror every day when I went home from work and riding around until there were no cars at all behind me. Humm and what was her nationality? Guess, yep. Second generation though.

You guys scare me sometimes.

I think I saw this on Springer the other day.

I thought he was on Dancing with the Stars, lately...

Hey, my whole point is not "do you believe my story or not?", my point is that some women are aware of, can and even HAVE filed rather "dicey" DV reports.. the original part of the thread I commented on dealt with "fabrication" and false claims.

to quote Satellite:



My point is that it's not above SOME people from this culture to do such things.

I don't give a bowl-of-borscht whether anyone believes my personal story or not, the point was they are aware such things can be done, and can be done to their benefit.

I know of other guys this has happened to as well, but I prefer to speak from personal experience, not hearsay of a 3rd party.

-- Dan

I've seen it happen too!

Сool
But if he does toss her. Denis could keep him out of trouble!
Need a driver? Escort?

The sad truth is that this can be a very dirty business. Before I met my fiancee, I was dating female Russian expats living in the US through this website. Outside of one girl who won the visa lottery, every single girl I met married US men and then divorced a year or more later. Almost all had spent only a single week with their man before he proposed and she accepted. One girl I met was a bit secretive about her living situation, finally at the end of our date she told me that she was engaged to a guy on Long Island and that she didn't love him. She wasn't even married yet and she was looking for a lover.

I'm sure most of these women sincerely wanted their marriages to work, but the bottom line is that there are a lot of FSU women who will roll the dice with a guy they trust and hope that love will eventually bloom. Bottom line: know your girl very, very well before you commit to something as serious as marriage.

Well... it does make logical sense that you would find more divorced ex-pats of Russia then married ones on a dating site, don't you think?

I'm not saying that it is not a problem, far from it, I am well aware of this issue. But don't you think that your logic is skewed a bit?

I don't think his logic is skewed. He's not saying EVERY Russian woman is like this, but he is saying all the RW (except one) he met on that website were like this.

And aside from my own personal experience with my ex-wife (cough cough gag and cough), she made contact here with a couple of RW as well... and one of them we had actually met coming over on the plane, she was here on a Visa... NOT one for romance (fiancee/marriage) but some other kind... and my ex- ran into her again here in town, surprised she was still here. She said the woman told her... oh yeah, it was easy to stay, she used the web and found an American guy to marry, but now they were divorced already, so now she could stay...

I don't know if this woman became one of my ex-'s "coaches" in her process of bailing out of our marriage, but... I do know another RW, one who had even been my 'friend' before my ex- came over here, was advising my ex- in all sorts of things during the divorce... even "how to meet guys over the internet...". Gee, what a WONDERFUL friend, huh?

And I know for a fact that her and her ex-husband had filed a fraudulent LPR, and she also coached my ex- in how to do this as well, though I refused to participate in her "schemes".

there is NO doubt in my mind, in 20/20 hindsight that my ex- did exactly this:

sincerely wanted their marriages to work, but the bottom line is that there are a lot of FSU women who will roll the dice with a guy they trust and hope that love will eventually bloom.

When we hit some hard times shortly after getting married that I won't go into here, she pretty much lost interest in having a relationship, working on the relationship or staying with the relationship...

Lying and other "sneaky" behaviors began shortly thereafter, and in fact, even questioning her about some of these things turned into major arguements.

I honestly do not believe she "loved" me as she claimed she did, I believe she was willing to TRY a life and see how it worked out... and had her resources and info lined up in case she decided to bail out.

I believe there are many many RW with this kind of pragmatic, realistic approach. I've even discussed some of this at length with a woman back in Russia, about the Soviet/Russian approach to life... you say what you need to say externally to accomplish what you need to but you might never reveal all the aspects of the inner soul in the process.

It's been a hell of an education for me... I'm not slamming anyone else's relationship here, but I will say if I do "go back" to Russia for another relationship, I will make DAMN sure a lot of time and effort goes into making sure she's not just looking for a better life, but seriously and majorly in love... of course I thought that with my ex- soooooooo... as I said, it's been quite an education...

A lot of these women are MAJORLY "heetri"... cunning like a fox contemplating the henhouse and very very sophisticated at using their femininity in order to manipulate things to their own advantage. I truly believe it's in their culture, it's in their genes and it's in their mindset.

-- Dan

They may be heetri, that's why it's very important to screen for their true intentions BEFORE the actual VJ process begins. Because, there really are good ones out there too!

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/fool_me.htm
Dan,
I sure hope this won't be you if the second time around another "хитрый" lady leads you down the same path as the first.

Good luck next time around, this knowledge came at a steep price to you but will likely keep you from repeating your mistake.

I came within a hair of making the same mistake as you a few years ago, only dumb luck saved my bacon before I started the K1 process. I still shudder when I think how close I came to marrying a monster... But in a way it was the best thing that ever happened to me because it tore away the blinders I was wearing.

One of the problems is that in Russia or Ukraine, not many people will criticize your ex for what she did. In fact, many people will admire her and some will even envy her.

wow!

Cheers!
AKDiver