OK...hhhhh
He can't request a visitor visa for me because he will be investigated by his government. I can't request it alone because I will get a gov't guide and he will be investigated if we meet. Sounds like a country from a novel...YES! Nobody has an idea what we go through. Furthermore he can't come out of the country because he won't be able to return (that will mean jail...definitely...and for no reason) What can we do?? Does it sound like a reason for a waiver?? I have more reasons but that's the main problem...keeping him safe and being able to meet are not compatible things. I need advice before submitting the I-129F.
Please help....
SaroryH

Do you truly love this man you have not met, or is this a religous or tradition based marriage?

SaroryH, post this question to the regional forum - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showforum=97 - you'll get more replies there.

Id suggest something like a 50 caliber sniper rifle. You could aim it from about 1500 feet away and blast that little cheesedoodles head right off his shoulders.

It's pure old good love! God's know what we go through. We really love each other.



Hahaha! You're smart.

Well then, I wish you luck. I am sure there is a way, but I seriously doubt you will get a waiver.

Lol! I think you are good at riddles and puzzles.

Are the two of you able to meet in a third country? Is there any country he can go to that you can go to as well that will not cause you problems?

You say that he would not be able to travel outside Libya (to meet you in a third country) and then return home without the threat of imprisonment. Why ? Libyans travel outside the country all the time. Egypt and Tunisia are very popular destinations for Libyans; so is Europe.

Under current regulations, it *is* possible for you to obtain a tourist visa to Libya, although it is a rather complicated process.



http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/brochu...res_1229.html#l

Perhaps the OP's fiance isn't just any Libyan.

Well I always hate to jump to hasty conclusions, although the possibility did occur to me. Perhaps the OP will return to shed some more light on their particular circumstances.

You are right about your assumption. Is there a website I can get more info about waivers?


Not without him having to stay in that country. He cannot return to his country.

If he isn't just any Libyan, wouldn't he be arrested when trying to get a passport, police certificates and when leaving the country??

I already posted this somewhere else but I guess I can't quite see myself being engaged to someone then petitioning to have them come live with me and get married without meeting him and his family. Are you really comfortable with that? I think a waiver is a waste of time.

You would be better of spending the time you would wait to hear your waiver got denied finding a way to meet eachother and then filing the petition after having met.

Sarah

meet in another country..

It could be Muamarc Kadafi

Please Muamarc release the Bulgarian prisoners

Somehow I don't think Qaddafi would have any difficulty obtaining a visa for his fiancee to visit Libya.

But yes, release the Bulgarian nurses. *And* the Palestinian doctor who was imprisoned and sentenced to death along with them in the same incident.

Also, I thought that Libyan visas were processed through the embassy in Cairo. So, he'll have to leave the country at some point in the future to go to Cairo for the interview, and then return to wait while the visa is being processed.

VP, where are you? *hellooooooooo we need your expertise*

Yes actually all visas for whatever reason are processed through a third country when dealing with movement between the US and Libya.

Sorry... I replied in the other thread.

Libyan visas to the US are processed through Tunis, Tunisia but I guess it depends on where NVC sends the package

Did you really trademark your username?

http://www.phrusa.org/campaigns/action_alerts/libya.html

I'm interested too....*bump* in case you missed it, W_O_M

I thought it was a rhetorical question, as the answer is rather obvious.

ok, I'll bite, Why????

I guess you missed the incident which may not be discussed on this forum.

Don't ask. Don't tell.

But you still actually haven't answered the question....did you actually trademark the name and copyright the info? Or are you just being 'cute'?

If one says they have trademarked and copyrighted the something, then they have. All you need to do is indicate that you have, and tada, it's done.

Now, registering the trademark and copyright is a whole other ball of wax, and is helpful is two people claim copyright or trademark to the same thing. Registering can help determine who has priority.

See, I was awake during my intellectual property law class

ty rahma

So is an unregistered trademark and copyright enforceable? So theoretically, does W_O_M's words belong to her, or VJ? And if it's unregistered, technically...what would be the recourse in someone ignoring it?

I'm fascinated!

I don't think I can get too much into specifics here, since I'm not a lawyer and I don't want to give any misinformation that could be misconstrued as legal advice, but yes, unregistered copyright and trademarks are enforceable. The remedy would be the same as most other legal situations - lawsuits.

For the other stuff, ask a lawyer

Good job breaking it down, Rahma

LisaD -- there is a lot of info you can find on the net regarding the trademark/copyright issue. As far as being "cute".... well my husband thinks I am !



-MK

Yes, I'm familiar with the case I just can't figure out why anyone would ask for people who infected 400 innocent babies with AIDS to be released.

Respected persons in the international medical community, who have long experience dealing with the AIDS virus and how it is transmitted, believe the allegations are absolutely false. From the article:



Also note that *all* of the 9 Libyans indicted in the case were acquitted, and only the foreigners were convicted. The accused also maintain that they were tortured by Libyan authorities, including being subjected to electric shocks, suspended, beaten and raped.

Since the initial trial, the 7 convictions have been overturned by the Libyan Supreme Court, and the accused are now awaiting a re-trial (postponed until October 31, 2006.)

so did you register it?

Now there's an

Ok, so I'm more fascinated by the fact that this OP wants to marry this person whom she's never met given the apparent climate they they are dealing with.

Sorry, but I think I might be a little more sktittish....

Jen

Uh yeah and the fact that he has issues with the military. Ok let's just say that it's possible to have a K-1 approved on a sight unseen engagement involving Libya of all places....I think a cold day in hell may be more possible...what if this dude gets here and he turns out to be not what he portrayed himself to be? I dunno..I wouldn't risk it.

They admitted to it initially.... it wasn't until later that they made all these allegations about torture and other such nonsense because the international community got involved... IF they had been tortured I'm pretty sure the Libyan govt would have made sure their death sentance was carried out before anyone could have heard about it.
I vote to inject them all with the AIDS virus and let them suffer the horrible fate they brought on those poor defenseless babies

I'm for the discussion going here about Libya, but let's not hijack SaroyH thread here.

You're entitled to your opinion. However, the Libyan Supreme Court itself has seen fit to throw out the convictions and order a re-trial.

I agree with JenT -- let's get back to topic here.

We could speculate forever about the 'real' issues, but whatever they are, the OP needs to be prepared for an extemely long process.... I could hardly imagine going through all of that without having even MET the person I was going through it for....

I agree Jenn.

There has to be some way to meet. Even though it might be difficult it really would be reassuring (at least for myself) to meet the person I plan on marrying before filing to have him come to the US.

Caution...I am especially crabby today...........

I know arguing isn't nice, but this is basically the same risk we all took (or are taking). I just don't think anymore that you can say that playing house for about a week, a year before really plugging him in to the family, is that much better than petitioning him right in. I just don't like seeing the op get judged here because they could meet 10 times, and he'd still be a stranger on her doorstep. (if you don't think so, yours just isn't here yet) and we don't know that he has a military "problem". Military contract-commitment just might be a more accurate description so..... all I'm saying is it probably isn't appropriate to criticise the op's decisions on the matter because it's probably no more nuts than the filing as soon as you meet once..
the guy here just might be getting bad advise from the guys around him that don't know jack about immigration, and feed him scary lies about the border.

I agree... I'm not for judging the OPs relationship... You can be married to someone for 10 years and not know them while on the other hand there are plenty of people around the world who married after meeting once or twice in person (maybe never) and have a perfectly content marriage
There should be a warning on VJ that if you choose to post, however, you are at extreme risk of being ripped to shreds

For me there is a huge difference in having met and not meeting and filing the petition. The first time I went to Morocco I stayed with Hicham's family for one month. I met all of his family and we spent lots of time together. I went again for 5 weeks in December and after that I decided to file. To me it's the difference between night and day. We had some issues to work out after I visited but we worked things out and I went again and felt great filing the petition so he could come here and we could get married. To me it mattered how Hicham talked to me, how he treated me, how he touched me (just regular touches like holding hands) and I wanted to know I felt good with him and spending as much time as possible together. That's just me and I would not marry someone before physically spending time with him and his family.

Sarah

After much outside pressure.

Anyway... back to the topic though I'm not sure there's much more to be said regarding that matter.

Aren't I lucky to be your target today? I believe this is my second honor of the day.

I think there is a HUGE difference between physically meeting a man and his family even if it's for a few weeks or months and not meeting them at all. Now you tell me...would YOU petition for your now husband if you never met him in person? I'm highly doubting you would. As far as I'm concerned you can't even be engaged unless you meet in person.

I agree..this is one hell of a risky situation even if you have met your SO in person. I love my husband dearly but if I had it to do all over again...I'd step away from the computer.

said I was crabby

I loved Mohammed before I ever met him in person. I wasn't, however, 100% sure of him until I had met him face to face and spent a lot of time with him. Marriage is not always a joy ride. You face goods time and you face some cold and dark times too. If you want a strong foundation for your partnership you can't really go into a marriage with a lot of expectations built on what you believe this person to be via telephone and internet. Sure we all carry in our expectations to some extent, but its easier to be more realistic about your partners strengths and flaws if you actually spend time with him as he interacts with his world. And face it, I know we've all talked about this a million times here, there is a much bigger cultural difference at play in these relationships then say an SO from Europe or Canada. I will always remain grateful for the gift of spending so much time in Egypt just living a regular Egyptian life. It wasn't always easy for me but I understand this part of Mohammed's psyche much more easily, can accept it much more readily... and here's the biggy guys... I am able to prepare to help him adjust to MY culture knowing what he has left behind.

Sure plane tickets are expensive. Sure social/political tensions make travel in this part of the world scary and sometimes difficult. But you owe it yourself and him to meet face to face and really get to know each other up close for as much time as you can. It also builds a stronger case for your visa, but this really is secondary.

There. Just my 2 more cents.