Tell us what you think.

2-1 for, until a certain group shows up to skew it

LOL I feared that. JP and VP are going to cast votes from every computer at work to mask the IP address.

you know before 911 there has always been some kind of random security check sceening process. so why hell every one shocked now?

1) Yes a country has the right to defend itself.

2) Currently the main threat seems to be coming from "Muslim" radicals.

So profiling may be an adequate temporary measure.... But what happens when the threat is over?

oh really? explain the kids last week with the Dynmite candles..
what about them Tim Mc veigh types..< OK city bombing > its not all muslims..

I propose TSA add Looking for " Skinny- whitemen with beady eyes " to the list of Racial profiling.

oh I think alll White men with blonde hair with blue eyes.. go ahead and profile them too..
they could be radicals of a diffrent kind..

Threat will be over when all of them or all of us are dead.

Exactly, the only way world peace or any kind of peace will ever happen in this world, is if you take every person off the world, then there will be peace, if there are people on the world, there will be wars, terrorism, etc.. it doesn't matter what race, ethnicity, culture, country, or creed....that is just the way it has been from the beginning of history and I am sure it will be that way until the end of history.

I worked for an airline from 1984-1988... if anyone paid cash for their ticket, traveled on a one way ticket, and checked a bag, their ID was checked (this was WAY before IDs were checked as a rule) and their bag was searched. That was the 'profile' we were on the look out for in those days. Bit different now.

this is true.. but as years progressed we also screend those that a certain bag tag number.
example all those ending in say 00 or 01.. plus the automated bag tag system did it randomly
making those select passengers. unless they are ON the plane.. their luggage never got on the plane.

I think we have to be honest that the specific threat of the last 6 years stems from a fairly clear source (in geographical terms).

As I said, I don't too much about what is involved as regards "profiling", but clearly there is the potential for outright discrimination - which is why I'm not convinced that it should be anything more than a temporary measure.

So what event, in your opinion, should mark the end of this temporary profiling?

I have no problem with having my bags checked or shoes taken off or bags swiped. TSA states that any bags are subject to search. As long as the people who are being checked are treated in a calm and professional matter, who cares.

I don't know, which is also why I questioned what happens when the perceived threat is over.

Clearly however, there is a threat from nationals of, or those with affiliations to certain middle-eastern and asian countries.

you have Discovery Times Channel at home? I would seriously recommend you calling your
cable or statillite provider. there are some programms on there that are very interesting.
get this.. the terrors are told from birth their mission in life. these people can hold an idea in their
heads forever!!!! no matter how much they blend they still have the mission in their minds. thats how its work. plus the added bonus of heaven and a good life for their family.

CNN is doing a special on ben laddin....

Problem is, it's not just a 'perceived' threat. It's very real. So let's say the 'real' threat is ended... people's perceptions about this.. those who have lived through it... will never change. New generations of people who have no direct experience with this threat will be necessary if there's even any hope for possibility of changing this perception. And even then, I'm not sure it ever will go away.

don't know so i said maybe

Which suggests of course that no method of security is 100% proof against this kind of thing.

And that profiling will NOT be temporary. We live in a new world now.

Hence the potential for racist discrimination.



Probably true. Although its not a 'new world' - its the same one. We're just more aware of a threat that has existed for decades.

you are right!
thats why there must be screening tools enhanced daily. Old terror tactics from the past are
now days being revised- them terrors. the real solution- would be to all fly butt naked..
thats not realistic is it.....

Semantics. New playing field. New rules.

True, and as was mentioned earlier, because of the fact that it's not just Arabs blowing up planes and buildings it is in fact racist to profile people.

Not to mention the divisive nature of racial profiling is just what terrorists - To drive a wedge further between East & West and into the heart of our own societies.



Not really. Many countries (my own included) have dealt with the shadow of terrorism over very many years. The US is pretty much the only major western nation not to have experienced some sort of terrorist attack on their soil, and while 9/11 alerted people globally to a renewed and more dangerous threat, it was really only a wake-up call to people in the US.

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Not really. Many countries (my own included) have dealt with the shadow of terrorism over very many years. The US is pretty much the only major western nation not to have experienced some sort of terrorist attack on their soil, and while 9/11 alerted people globally to a renewed and more dangerous threat, it was really only a wake-up call to people in the US.
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your right..
we had the water to protect us.. but, 911 was a wake up call for sure.
when mom called told me about the planes hi jacked. I thought " what in the world mom
talking about!" there was an attack on the wolrd trade center in the 1990s. the threat
was real then - why it was not taken more seriously I will never know.
I saw a movied called. - under siege - something. it was similar to 911.
its eeeerie..

Profiling isn't used correctly - we cannot predict behavior based on physical characteristics - even FBI profilers will attest to that. What's more reliable is profiling a type of behavior. But given that these security employees probably lack any real training in criminal behavior, I'd say random profiling is probably as accurate as any other method, except they would have to apply common sense - if it's an 80 old woman that randomly is selected - then randomly select again. So, keep it random because there's no way a terrorist who wants to board a plane can prepare for that.

Case in point - one of the folks involved in the foiled airline plot the other week was a caucasian guy.

Hell.. I'd have yanked Karr outa line and given him an extra look over too... that dude just looks wrong

They should just have done and make everyone travel naked. The airlines could supply hospital gowns and paper slippers

I've been trying to get that guy's image out of my mind - no thanks to the mainstream media for turning him into a celebrity....f##king chopf##ks!

Better include body cavity searches while you're at it. Someone might have a bottle of shampoo in a 'private place'.

Except that when you're naked, you're in too good a mood to kill anyone and so you never bother to pull out that plastic explosive you hid in your bum

I love being put through every securtiy check possible at the airport... i usually give them a really hard time and express my feelings towards their statement "random security check."

As long as they don't eat the baklava

So YOU'RE the one holding up the progress of the line and pissing everyone else off...

I'll introduce myself next time.






That might imply that you're hiding something ELSE in there... the batteries might set off the detector, though...

I could deal with it if they just said "you are Muslim, you shall be put under extra security checks."

Don't give me that... "RANDOM security check!"

In my line there was 10 brown-skinned people, same amount of black-skinned people, and 2 white-skinned people. lmao.

Dang! I wanted them to force me to open it and eat it kind of like how they are making mom's test baby forumla!!

hahaha

ABSOLUTLY YES! For the security of our nation and the world, TSA should stop all suspicicous looking gun totin grannies and mischevious hyper children under 8.


TSA should profile there is a specific demagraphic and profile that terrorisy fit and TSA should foucs thier resources on that info, thats not to say that there are not some atypical caucasian or other races who could be potential terrorists.

It's easy to support profiling if you don't fit the profile.

As someone who has been profiled (interrogated, searched, harassed, etc)
more than a few times, I am unequivocally against profiling.

(For those who are interested, I was profiled on work-related trips to Israel
as a non-Israeli / UK passport holder.)

Also true.

The other "obvious" side of the coin can be seen with regards to the police - where black males are still many times more likely to be stopped in the street or in their cars because of the assumption that blacks males are responsible for the majority of crime.

That's what makes profiling extremely suspect - because it is of course racist to make assumptions about a person based solely on ethnicity.

DEFINITLEY YES!!!!!!!

wow... I'm really surprised..

/sarcasm

why not?

Strip Search everyone! Except the gun packing grannies

EVERYBODY has to go through them Security Checks so why is it that a certain group of ppl here feels offended again? (Iceyspots?!)
Hey they had my 5 year old take off his shoes...........
Yeah right someone will fly with kids and put an explosive in their shoes beforehand.
But yes it unfortunatley IS needed these days.
I hope to God that one day it wont be needed anymore but that day I guess is far off.
Nat

You don't offend me, I only stated my non-surprise that you would vote Yes.

Ok I'm sorry I miss understood you Iceyspots.
Nat

Because the idea of profiling is to limit security checks to a certain group of people,
and wave everyone else through with only superficial checks.

Excuse me? I resent that remark. Have I ever given you any reason to think I would be dishonest?

You have got to learn to relax

By profiling I think they are going to miss a lot of people. Profiling gives people a chance to do some real harm if they really wanted to. No one expects the white kids in high schools to go shooting their class mates, but they do. If you ask me, profiling is just another way of hiding insecurities! I would feel more secure if they checked everyone.