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vartan
good.gif No problem.
Together4ever
Regarding the poster referred to... this is end product terrorist strive for. A person who is so consumed by fear they are no longer rational.
vartan
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Regarding the poster referred to... this is end product terrorist strive for. A person who is so consumed by fear they are no longer rational.


So true.
iceyspots
wow.. just wow
Henia
QUOTE(noura @ Aug 27 2006, 09:38 AM) *
that really sux... and I love JetBlue - it's usually my preferred airline. I want to inquire w/ them if this incident is true and complain abt it.... that really sux sad.gif mad.gif
I am not sure, just passing along an email...

QUOTE(ursy @ Aug 27 2006, 04:35 PM) *
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 22 2006, 12:45 PM) *

QUOTE(vartan @ Aug 22 2006, 01:37 PM) *

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Should I leave my quran and my other arabic language books behind when I take a flight because someone is offended by the sight of arabic and they don't have anyone to translate what it says? Hell no.


People have to take down nativity scenes because it offends people on christmas..

People have to take crosses off becase people are offended..

My friend had to remove a shirt because he had an anti swastika on it..

My dad got asked to leave a wedding because he wore his kilt

I was removed from my prom because I wore my kilt

I am sorry its a PC world..

My fiance had to wear a jacket because she was wearing a F C U K shirt..

I don't like this PC crap just like you guys. I think it is horrid.. But sorry if it offends someone you gotta deal with it .. and if you fight it .. you got to deal with the reprecussions..

Being an arab right now .. if I was that guy I would have changed my shirt right away .. its rough times for arabs right now and the last thing you need is to start a scene.. ya know?

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they don't have anyone to translate what it says?


That guys shirt had english below it .. "We wont be silent" is a very emotionally charged statement.. ya know what I mean .. what does we wont be silent mean?


It kinda makes you wonder what freedom of speech really means?

if anyone did any of the above, kilts, crosses etc... none of them bother me at all. with the only exception being clothing that has profanity on it in a situation/event where children are involved. I am not a person to be easily offended by what other people believe in or say or think. if I want to wear a head covering because it is my religious belief, that's fine. and for the same reason, I cant say anything about someone who wants to wear the star of david, or christian cross or wiccan symbols.

I think they should stop and question anyone they want to its better safe than sorry.
I dont get insulted when I am stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR ANY REASON

I am not offended either for being question, actually feeling these security ppl are doing their jobs...but there is a difference in questioning and harassed...Believe me i know the diference..LOL

QUOTE(Bosco @ Aug 27 2006, 09:22 PM) *
Whose sweetness Bosco?
amal
rats! I just posted a nice long post and my computer froze before it saved it...grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...and it was just perfect too... crying.gif

I wanted to say...when ppl say things as this person did, they really believe what they're saying. Don't be mad at them as they can only be as informed as the media allows them to be towards Muslims. (and we all know what is protrayed on tv..we all hate it). I was once one of the un-informed and it took a lot of convincing for me to begin researching Islam to see just what the truth was. Before I met my husband and went to Jordan, I looked at all "muslim looking" ppl (as the un-informed call them) and I was afraid too. It took around a year before I really realized the difference between media and reality. Now I feel really stupid about what I thought I knew back then. REMEMBER these ppl posting such nasty things are just like that...only they don't have what we had to help us open our eyes (some of us didn't need our eyes opened..but for those of u who were like me, you understand what I mean) If it wasn't for my husband (who has the patience of Job) I would still probably be one of the "un-informed" and be none the wiser. My husband put up with a lot from me..I questioned him on a daily basis .."why did they do this, why that, this, that, katha katha katha...etc etc" he very calmly explained everything (sometimes more than once) until I understood it. He gave me reading materials, cassettes, sometimes videos...anything he could to help me learn...

I wish I had the time and money to go to each of the ppl that says these things, sit with them for an afternoon and discuss their thoughts in full. Then I would LOVE to calmly give them my side of the story so as to try to help them to have a better understanding of Islam and Muslims. It's so hard to convey ones feelings when others can only read what's being said and not hear the emotion behind it. They really just need some calm and understanding ears/shoulders to say what they need and then help them understand what's real. If they don't understand...don't judge them in a bad light.....they've spent many many years only hearing 1 thing and all ppl are skeptical about something wether it be ghosts, landing on the moon, the loch ness monster, big foot, and yes Muslims. And all this coming from a non-Muslim...maybe I should just convert now and get it over with... whistling.gif


I hope I haven't repeated myself too many times......I realize I'm writing a lot but there's so much I feel on this....I also hope this doesn't come off negative towards the Muslim audience here.. I hope this wasn't too confusing.... good.gif


Jenn!
I liked your post, Amal. It helped put things into perspective a little bit.

For me though, I still think that ignorance is no excuse. Before I met my husband, I knew very little about Islam, but even then I never had the sort of thoughts that have been expressed on this thread, and I was watching the same media coverage as everyone else.
amal
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 10:28 AM) *

I liked your post, Amal. It helped put things into perspective a little bit.

For me though, I still think that ignorance is no excuse. Before I met my husband, I knew very little about Islam, but even then I never had the sort of thoughts that have been expressed on this thread, and I was watching the same media coverage as everyone else.


Ignorance is ignorance....I was REALLY ignorant at first....that is why I can not blame them...I also had fellow employees at my work telling me all sorts of stupid things....I didn't know what to believe...Think of it this way..they are trying to make us understand their point of view as much as we are trying to make them understand ours... They come off as so horrible because they see the subject in a negative light....It's going to seem so much worse to us than to someone who isn't muslim or hasn't done some research.. To them, they are just being honest...and remember, in typing EVERYTHING comes out more harsh than it is intended.. smile.gif just my take smile.gif
Jenn!
QUOTE(amal @ Aug 29 2006, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 10:28 AM) *

I liked your post, Amal. It helped put things into perspective a little bit.

For me though, I still think that ignorance is no excuse. Before I met my husband, I knew very little about Islam, but even then I never had the sort of thoughts that have been expressed on this thread, and I was watching the same media coverage as everyone else.


Ignorance is ignorance....I was REALLY ignorant at first....that is why I can not blame them...I also had fellow employees at my work telling me all sorts of stupid things....I didn't know what to believe...Think of it this way..they are trying to make us understand their point of view as much as we are trying to make them understand ours... They come off as so horrible because they see the subject in a negative light....It's going to seem so much worse to us than to someone who isn't muslim or hasn't done some research.. To them, they are just being honest...and remember, in typing EVERYTHING comes out more harsh than it is intended.. smile.gif just my take smile.gif


Maybe you're giving too much credit though where it is not due. You were open-minded enough to begin a relationship with a muslim man. Do you think a certain person on this thread would ever in a million years consider it?
amal
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 10:37 AM) *

QUOTE(amal @ Aug 29 2006, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 10:28 AM) *

I liked your post, Amal. It helped put things into perspective a little bit.

For me though, I still think that ignorance is no excuse. Before I met my husband, I knew very little about Islam, but even then I never had the sort of thoughts that have been expressed on this thread, and I was watching the same media coverage as everyone else.


Ignorance is ignorance....I was REALLY ignorant at first....that is why I can not blame them...I also had fellow employees at my work telling me all sorts of stupid things....I didn't know what to believe...Think of it this way..they are trying to make us understand their point of view as much as we are trying to make them understand ours... They come off as so horrible because they see the subject in a negative light....It's going to seem so much worse to us than to someone who isn't muslim or hasn't done some research.. To them, they are just being honest...and remember, in typing EVERYTHING comes out more harsh than it is intended.. smile.gif just my take smile.gif


Maybe you're giving too much credit though where it is not due. You were open-minded enough to begin a relationship with a muslim man. Do you think a certain person on this thread would ever in a million years consider it?


that's EXACTLY what I'm trying to say.....They don't have that...if it wasn't for A LOT of persuading from a friend and the eternal patience my husband had with me, I don't know if I would have even thought about having a muslim husband... I'm not saying they're right...I'm just saying that they really think they're right just as we think we're right and they don't have the education we've had on this... No they wouldn't consider it and that's why I wish I could go to them and just have a face to face conversation on this...We can't help/change everybody but we can have patience and show them (in kindness and understanding) what it is about...even if we don't help them all..helping 1 is better than none. good.gif
Bosco
Amal, I appreciate what you are saying and I respect you are open enough to say it. I am curious, before your husband when you were scared, did you also openly say negative things about Muslims? You don't have to answer and I am not asking to make you feel bad - the reason I am asking is to see how much a person can change.
lostinlove228
I gave this lady at work some information about Islam. It was an introduction book off a trusted website to Islam. Her Immediate reaction upon starting to read it was "wow, this is totally not what we know or see on TV. I feel comfrtable reading it. It's not scary and it's so simple". Just thought I would share that.
moody
Ok this is me being a smart azz but it's true in many cases...

It's amazing what a cute, sexy guy can do to your perspective.

Admit it ladies..it happens..not saying that this is the case with Amal cuz I don't know her but it happens.
Together4ever
You minx, you...
iceyspots
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 11:37 AM) *

QUOTE(amal @ Aug 29 2006, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 10:28 AM) *

I liked your post, Amal. It helped put things into perspective a little bit.

For me though, I still think that ignorance is no excuse. Before I met my husband, I knew very little about Islam, but even then I never had the sort of thoughts that have been expressed on this thread, and I was watching the same media coverage as everyone else.


Ignorance is ignorance....I was REALLY ignorant at first....that is why I can not blame them...I also had fellow employees at my work telling me all sorts of stupid things....I didn't know what to believe...Think of it this way..they are trying to make us understand their point of view as much as we are trying to make them understand ours... They come off as so horrible because they see the subject in a negative light....It's going to seem so much worse to us than to someone who isn't muslim or hasn't done some research.. To them, they are just being honest...and remember, in typing EVERYTHING comes out more harsh than it is intended.. smile.gif just my take smile.gif


Maybe you're giving too much credit though where it is not due. You were open-minded enough to begin a relationship with a muslim man. Do you think a certain person on this thread would ever in a million years consider it?


hmm... even ann cloutier had a muslim boyfriend at one point in time.
Jenn!
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 29 2006, 03:39 PM) *

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 11:37 AM) *

QUOTE(amal @ Aug 29 2006, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 29 2006, 10:28 AM) *

I liked your post, Amal. It helped put things into perspective a little bit.

For me though, I still think that ignorance is no excuse. Before I met my husband, I knew very little about Islam, but even then I never had the sort of thoughts that have been expressed on this thread, and I was watching the same media coverage as everyone else.


Ignorance is ignorance....I was REALLY ignorant at first....that is why I can not blame them...I also had fellow employees at my work telling me all sorts of stupid things....I didn't know what to believe...Think of it this way..they are trying to make us understand their point of view as much as we are trying to make them understand ours... They come off as so horrible because they see the subject in a negative light....It's going to seem so much worse to us than to someone who isn't muslim or hasn't done some research.. To them, they are just being honest...and remember, in typing EVERYTHING comes out more harsh than it is intended.. smile.gif just my take smile.gif


Maybe you're giving too much credit though where it is not due. You were open-minded enough to begin a relationship with a muslim man. Do you think a certain person on this thread would ever in a million years consider it?


hmm... even ann cloutier had a muslim boyfriend at one point in time.


really? i find that really surprising.
iceyspots
yup... I heard she referred to him as "my little terrorist" hahaha
amal
QUOTE(Bosco @ Aug 29 2006, 10:52 AM) *

Amal, I appreciate what you are saying and I respect you are open enough to say it. I am curious, before your husband when you were scared, did you also openly say negative things about Muslims? You don't have to answer and I am not asking to make you feel bad - the reason I am asking is to see how much a person can change.


I never actually openly said negative things about Muslims but I DID go along with the crowd. If they were saying negative things, I would go along with it. I would look the other way if I saw anybody even remotely arabian/muslim looking and I felt very nervous... YES, I was scared. The only reason I didn't say anything negative openly is due to the fact that my mother taught me (very well) when I was younger that "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and that is a rule I follow very closely. I never thought in a million years that I'd marry one ...
When I first met my husband, yeah he was cute..but I had no interest in talking to him. Since I'm a nice person, I couldn't just turn him away ... so I "allowed him" to talk to me. He told me he was Muslim and immediately, I started questioning him.. "Why do "you all" kill in the name of God" is one of the first things I asked him. That's when it started and we discussed Islam on a daily basis after that. The more I learned, the more I began to understand the truth. He told me many things, gave me many informative resources, and I researched online and in the library. I did most of my own searching because I wanted to see if what he was telling me was the truth. blush.gif that's right...I didn't trust him as far as I could throw him .... As you can see, I did come a long way and I'm so glad that I did my research and learned the truth about Islam. The difference between me and some others is that I was open to learning and seeing/understanding a different view than I thought I already had figured out. Some ppl are not that open to suggestion.

i hope this doesn't change my relationships with you all...
i just answered truthfully.....
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Bosco
QUOTE(amal @ Aug 29 2006, 07:25 PM) *

QUOTE(Bosco @ Aug 29 2006, 10:52 AM) *

Amal, I appreciate what you are saying and I respect you are open enough to say it. I am curious, before your husband when you were scared, did you also openly say negative things about Muslims? You don't have to answer and I am not asking to make you feel bad - the reason I am asking is to see how much a person can change.


I never actually openly said negative things about Muslims but I DID go along with the crowd. If they were saying negative things, I would go along with it. I would look the other way if I saw anybody even remotely arabian/muslim looking and I felt very nervous... YES, I was scared. The only reason I didn't say anything negative openly is due to the fact that my mother taught me (very well) when I was younger that "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and that is a rule I follow very closely. I never thought in a million years that I'd marry one ...
When I first met my husband, yeah he was cute..but I had no interest in talking to him. Since I'm a nice person, I couldn't just turn him away ... so I "allowed him" to talk to me. He told me he was Muslim and immediately, I started questioning him.. "Why do "you all" kill in the name of God" is one of the first things I asked him. That's when it started and we discussed Islam on a daily basis after that. The more I learned, the more I began to understand the truth. He told me many things, gave me many informative resources, and I researched online and in the library. I did most of my own searching because I wanted to see if what he was telling me was the truth. blush.gif that's right...I didn't trust him as far as I could throw him .... As you can see, I did come a long way and I'm so glad that I did my research and learned the truth about Islam. The difference between me and some others is that I was open to learning and seeing/understanding a different view than I thought I already had figured out. Some ppl are not that open to suggestion.


Thanks for answering Amal.

I guess I feel that if the other poster is truly scared as she says she is, she wouldn't be posting purposely antagnostic things about Muslims where Muslims can read them in a less than anonymous way.

How you felt does sound like genunine fear of the unknown to me. I think it is great you are willing to talk about it, and I think you underestimate yourself. You were open enough and curious enough to know more, regardless of whether it took prodding. You were also willing enough to not only open your mind but marry a Muslim which is a very public and open statement acknowledging your change to your coworkers/friends, etc. good.gif
iceyspots
btw - i flew this weekend with a thing on my head and had no problems lol
sarah and hicham
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 29 2006, 05:35 PM) *

btw - i flew this weekend with a thing on my head and had no problems lol



flew where?
iceyspots
exlax smile.gif
Henia
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 29 2006, 08:35 PM) *
btw - i flew this weekend with a thing on my head and had no problems lol




Hmm...does that arabic guy trying to talk to you count as a problem? laughing.gif (joking)

iceyspots
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 29 2006, 10:51 PM) *

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 29 2006, 08:35 PM) *
btw - i flew this weekend with a thing on my head and had no problems lol




Hmm...does that arabic guy trying to talk to you count as a problem? laughing.gif (joking)


yea! he annoyed the crapola out of me
Henia
you shoulda headbonk.gif
iceyspots
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 29 2006, 11:30 PM) *

you shoulda headbonk.gif


I had to be easy on him, I think he was lebanese.
Henia
alien.gif

samir_shannon
is this page still going ??? LOL
Henia
LOL we need the post boosts...LOL
iceyspots
Well I just came in to mention that I flew, with hijab.. and had no problems at all... not this girl no sir-ee
Henia
Ehamdullah
iceyspots
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 30 2006, 12:43 AM) *

Ehamdullah


altho it did get fumbled around when I attempted to sleep LOL

hmmm maybe it was the creepy lady next to me whistling.gif
Henia
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 30 2006, 12:57 AM) *
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 30 2006, 12:43 AM) *

Ehamdullah


altho it did get fumbled around when I attempted to sleep LOL

hmmm maybe it was the creepy lady next to me whistling.gif


LOL not as bad as the guy that fell asleep on me on the flight to Cali... laughing.gif

iceyspots
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 30 2006, 12:59 AM) *

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 30 2006, 12:57 AM) *
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 30 2006, 12:43 AM) *

Ehamdullah


altho it did get fumbled around when I attempted to sleep LOL

hmmm maybe it was the creepy lady next to me whistling.gif


LOL not as bad as the guy that fell asleep on me on the flight to Cali... laughing.gif



omg.. that is suspicious activity!! hahaha

sigh... hmm.. i'm glad I got to LAX early though, there were a billion hispanic and asian people in line not knowing what they are doing lol
Henia
IPB Image Having a party now!
noura
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 30 2006, 12:04 AM) *

IPB Image Having a party now!

henia, you are cracking me up w/ all these smiley/emoticons!!! laughing.gif
moody
ROFL!

Wicked just wicked devil.gif

QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 30 2006, 12:41 AM) *

LOL we need the post boosts...LOL

amal
QUOTE(Bosco @ Aug 29 2006, 06:36 PM) *

QUOTE(amal @ Aug 29 2006, 07:25 PM) *

QUOTE(Bosco @ Aug 29 2006, 10:52 AM) *

Amal, I appreciate what you are saying and I respect you are open enough to say it. I am curious, before your husband when you were scared, did you also openly say negative things about Muslims? You don't have to answer and I am not asking to make you feel bad - the reason I am asking is to see how much a person can change.


I never actually openly said negative things about Muslims but I DID go along with the crowd. If they were saying negative things, I would go along with it. I would look the other way if I saw anybody even remotely arabian/muslim looking and I felt very nervous... YES, I was scared. The only reason I didn't say anything negative openly is due to the fact that my mother taught me (very well) when I was younger that "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and that is a rule I follow very closely. I never thought in a million years that I'd marry one ...
When I first met my husband, yeah he was cute..but I had no interest in talking to him. Since I'm a nice person, I couldn't just turn him away ... so I "allowed him" to talk to me. He told me he was Muslim and immediately, I started questioning him.. "Why do "you all" kill in the name of God" is one of the first things I asked him. That's when it started and we discussed Islam on a daily basis after that. The more I learned, the more I began to understand the truth. He told me many things, gave me many informative resources, and I researched online and in the library. I did most of my own searching because I wanted to see if what he was telling me was the truth. blush.gif that's right...I didn't trust him as far as I could throw him .... As you can see, I did come a long way and I'm so glad that I did my research and learned the truth about Islam. The difference between me and some others is that I was open to learning and seeing/understanding a different view than I thought I already had figured out. Some ppl are not that open to suggestion.


Thanks for answering Amal.

I guess I feel that if the other poster is truly scared as she says she is, she wouldn't be posting purposely antagnostic things about Muslims where Muslims can read them in a less than anonymous way.

How you felt does sound like genunine fear of the unknown to me. I think it is great you are willing to talk about it, and I think you underestimate yourself. You were open enough and curious enough to know more, regardless of whether it took prodding. You were also willing enough to not only open your mind but marry a Muslim which is a very public and open statement acknowledging your change to your coworkers/friends, etc. good.gif


Sometimes, I think that ppl posting purposely hateful things is a cry for help and understanding. If they don't speak up, how will anybody know they need help?
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