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LaL

Aug 23 2006, 08:21 PM

QUOTE(mybackpages @ Aug 23 2006, 09:17 PM)

Actually a racist is someone who believes in the superiority if his or her own race in comparison towards other races and this is often accompanied by intolerance and discrimination.

actually that is called ethnocentricism... not racism

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 23 2006, 09:19 PM)

QUOTE(lal_brandow @ Aug 23 2006, 09:17 PM)

OH NOES!!!

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scary isnt it??

haha... Kiss me i'm egyptian?

like i said SCARY BOOOOOOOOO

Jenn!

Aug 23 2006, 08:25 PM

QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 23 2006, 09:17 PM)

On the next day, I received my first hate comment in the USA."You motherxxx.. raghead"..I tried to interrupt the old lady and tell her that I am an not arabic, but she didn't know what I was talking about.

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I don't know after 9/11, how many times in lunch/dinners, I had to convince that I am not arabic and I donnot intend to do any harm to anyone. Still many of them, remain suspicious that I am hiding my identity.

I'm sure it was not your intention to imply that while one should not fear all Muslims, it's reasonable to fear all Arab Muslims. Maybe a more appropriate response than "I'm not Arab" would simply be "I do not support or condone terrorism"?

PlatyPius

Aug 23 2006, 08:26 PM

Okay, points taken.

I wasn't referring to this particular discussion, really - more of a general statement.

I think my main issue is the more and more frequent overuse of the Race Card (For everything else, there's Race Card) If someone doesn't agree, call them a racist. If you don't like their opinion, call them a racist. It's grown to epidemic proportions in the last few years, and is really not even an insult any longer....more like an annoyance; just like an over-sensitive car alarm. It's a means of denying the validity of the persons' feelings, fears, concerns. It's a brush-off, basically.

Regarding the "Racist Speech" comment....
I assume you mean "hate speech". Racist speech is protected. Hate speech is not. You can say "I hate Morovians" all you want. Systematically reducing them to sub-human status and inciting others to act upon your hatred falls under the "action" catagory. Hate speech and racism are not the same thing. Hate speech is taking action upon ones prejudices/racism. My statement regarded the sanctity of ones own beliefs, and specifically mentioned that it isn't our concern until that person does something - an action - based on those feelings. That would include cross burnings, physical violence, and yes - hate speech.

Hope that made sense, as I did some mid-paragraph editing....

iceyspots

Aug 23 2006, 08:27 PM

booya henia!

Bosco

Aug 23 2006, 08:27 PM

QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 23 2006, 08:58 PM)

Thank you for your response.

I should have clarified my statements. I would be suspicious of Muslims who were acting in a way to CAUSE me to be suspicious. I am not suspicious of all Muslims. I'd be a nervous wreck if I were, since I work with several. What would I classify as suspicious behaviour? I'm not really sure. It isn't a rational thing, it's more of a subconscious thing. I suppose that if I saw a group of male Muslims sitting at a gate at the airport, huddled up and speaking in hushed tones in whatever their native language might be, then yes...I would probably be suspicious.

People fear what they don't understand. That is true. I do not understand arabic, german, italian, chinese, japanese, etc. Ergo, I don't KNOW what these people are talking about. They could be huddled up discussing their plan to visit this place and that place when they get where they're flying to. I would have no idea. It is that lack of comprehension that causes the suspicion, or at least adds to it.

My suspicion is a low-grade one. I am not terrified, nor afraid. I will, however, watch more closely for any signs of danger. I would do the same in the inner-city, or while visiting a strange business establishment. Yes, I'm the sort who always sits with his back to wall. I've seen and been through too much to be completely trusting of everyone.

I agree with your reaction. and I feel the same. It makes sense to look out for suspicious behavior, not only before boarding a plane but if we are out late or putting ourselves in any situation that could potentially make us vulnerable. It is hard to define suspicious and it will vary. Some people may find a t-shirt suspicious. However, the people enforcing these policies need to have a clear-cut idea of what is suspicious. Veering from the topic, but from what I understand, it was Muslims who first reported the tips in the recent London case.

I don't think an immediate - as you said physiological - reaction show bigotry. I cannot say I wouldn't have had ANY fear if I boarded a plane in the first few days after 9/11 and saw men who I thought looked like the 9/11 hijakers get on. We were all still processing what happened. However, once we have the opportunity to process that immediate reaction, I believe this is when we can call a reaction physiological or bigotted.

I think something that is forgotten is that 9/11 scared Muslims too.

Ivanovo

Aug 23 2006, 08:29 PM

QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 23 2006, 08:17 PM)

mass suicide in Waco, Texas

Great post, but that was not a mass suicide in Waco, whole other topic there.

Jenn!

Aug 23 2006, 08:36 PM

QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 23 2006, 09:26 PM)

Regarding the "Racist Speech" comment....
I assume you mean "hate speech". Racist speech is protected. Hate speech is not. You can say "I hate Morovians" all you want. Systematically reducing them to sub-human status and inciting others to act upon your hatred falls under the "action" catagory. Hate speech and racism are not the same thing. Hate speech is taking action upon ones prejudices/racism. My statement regarded the sanctity of ones own beliefs, and specifically mentioned that it isn't our concern until that person does something - an action - based on those feelings. That would include cross burnings, physical violence, and yes - hate speech.

I see the distinction between racist speech and hate speech that you've pointed out. I don't know if you saw the edit to my post to clarify that I don't believe "racist speech", or verbalizing racist views, should be prohibited. People do have the right to preach their racist views in this country. However, your previous post implied that if you don't like what someone has to say, there's really no point in doing anything about it because it's their opinion, and they have a right to say it. I disagree with that. Sure, they have a right to say it, but that doesn't mean that what they're saying is right, or that we should have to listen to it and say, "Good for you for having an opinion that's different from mine and potentially harmful to certain members of our society."

Do you see what I'm getting at?

Bosco

Aug 23 2006, 08:37 PM

I wanted to edit but it was too late....

On 9/11, most people probably had a fairly similar physiological reaction - horror, fear.

After that people responded in different ways.

On one hand there was an increase in hate crimes. Some went and painted slurs on mosques, physically attacked people who looked Muslim, screamed things at Muslims, shot people, etc. Some turned this fear into hate that lasts today.

On the other hand, there was a huge increase in sales of the Qur'an. Churches engaged in interfaith dialogue/classes/prayers with Muslims. Mosques had open houses with huge audiences. There were people who reached out to their Muslim neighbors/coworkers, etc to have a better understanding of the faith.

We have choices in what we do beyond the immediate reaction.

PlatyPius

Aug 23 2006, 08:44 PM

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 23 2006, 09:36 PM)

QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 23 2006, 09:26 PM)

Regarding the "Racist Speech" comment....
I assume you mean "hate speech". Racist speech is protected. Hate speech is not. You can say "I hate Morovians" all you want. Systematically reducing them to sub-human status and inciting others to act upon your hatred falls under the "action" catagory. Hate speech and racism are not the same thing. Hate speech is taking action upon ones prejudices/racism. My statement regarded the sanctity of ones own beliefs, and specifically mentioned that it isn't our concern until that person does something - an action - based on those feelings. That would include cross burnings, physical violence, and yes - hate speech.

I see the distinction between racist speech and hate speech that you've pointed out. I don't know if you saw the edit to my post to clarify that I don't believe "racist speech", or verbalizing racist views, should be prohibited. People do have the right to preach their racist views in this country. However, your previous post implied that if you don't like what someone has to say, there's really no point in doing anything about it because it's their opinion, and they have a right to say it. I disagree with that. Sure, they have a right to say it, but that doesn't mean that what they're saying is right, or that we should have to listen to it and say, "Good for you for having an opinion that's different from mine and potentially harmful to certain members of our society."

Do you see what I'm getting at?

Aye.

You edited while I was still typing away. Took me a while to put that into words in a way that would avoid a flame-war. lol I'm currently having a nice discussion with y'all, and I much prefer it that way. Ergo, I'm trying to choose my words carefully, rather than just bang something out and post it. lol

mybackpages

Aug 23 2006, 08:47 PM

QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 23 2006, 08:26 PM)

Okay, points taken.

My statement regarded the sanctity of ones own beliefs, and specifically mentioned that it isn't our concern until that person does something - an action - based on those feelings. That would include cross burnings, physical violence, and yes - hate speech.

Hope that made sense, as I did some mid-paragraph editing....

while I disagree with many things you are saying here, I appreciate your openess to dialogue.

You are accurate in separating hate speech from racism speech, but the flaw in your argument as I see it is that how would you define sppech and action? You list cross burning as an action, but the Courts upheld it as protected speech.

I strongly support the right of speech, but where do we draw the line? Some speech is simply not tolerable. I'm not sure we can live in a mixed society and have absolute free speech.

Together4ever

Aug 23 2006, 08:51 PM

I think fear mongering is the most destructive force in our society.

mybackpages

Aug 23 2006, 08:55 PM

QUOTE(just_waiting @ Aug 23 2006, 08:51 PM)

I think fear mongering is the most destructive force in our society.

such a simple statement, but its so dead on right. now I am just really sad.

Henia

Aug 23 2006, 08:57 PM

QUOTE

I strongly support the right of speech, but where do we draw the line? Some speech is simply not tolerable. I'm not sure we can live in a mixed society and have absolute free speech.

Interesting... ye that makes me think... It is true in way in a mixed society total free speech is impossible...one thing normal to one person is intolerable to other...

QUOTE(just_waiting @ Aug 23 2006, 09:51 PM)

I think fear mongering is the most destructive force in our society.

I am amazed yet again, Jean...you usually put things so eloquently

PlatyPius

Aug 23 2006, 09:00 PM

QUOTE(mybackpages @ Aug 23 2006, 09:47 PM)

QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 23 2006, 08:26 PM)

Okay, points taken.

My statement regarded the sanctity of ones own beliefs, and specifically mentioned that it isn't our concern until that person does something - an action - based on those feelings. That would include cross burnings, physical violence, and yes - hate speech.

Hope that made sense, as I did some mid-paragraph editing....

while I disagree with many things you are saying here, I appreciate your openess to dialogue.

You are accurate in separating hate speech from racism speech, but the flaw in your argument as I see it is that how would you define sppech and action? You list cross burning as an action, but the Courts upheld it as protected speech.

I strongly support the right of speech, but where do we draw the line? Some speech is simply not tolerable. I'm not sure we can live in a mixed society and have absolute free speech.

I was referring more to cross burnings performed on the lawn of a black family.... I live in Indiana, remember. Grand Dragon of the KKK and all that.

Karen_L

Aug 23 2006, 09:06 PM

QUOTE(mybackpages @ Aug 23 2006, 09:47 PM)

I'm not sure we can live in a mixed society and have absolute free speech.

Jenn!

Aug 23 2006, 09:10 PM

QUOTE(Karen_L @ Aug 23 2006, 10:06 PM)

Also, not voicing such opinions wouldn't mean the SENTIMENTS don't exist. You can't kill racism by hiding it away and LIMITING speech, but by encouraging dialogue between people, even if that sometimes means having to hear from a hateful person.

iceyspots

Aug 23 2006, 09:13 PM

So whats the moral of the story today lol

Jenn!

Aug 23 2006, 09:16 PM

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 23 2006, 10:13 PM)

So whats the moral of the story today lol

Ooh, ooh, I know, I know! Pick me!

"Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaught on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."

I think that basically sums this all up, don't you?

mybackpages

Aug 23 2006, 09:19 PM

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 23 2006, 09:13 PM)

So whats the moral of the story today lol

Thanks for the light touch. It made me smile. I think its a good time to turn off the computer and pick up a good book.

Keep up the good dialogue everyone! It's the first step to a peaceful world

sarah and hicham

Aug 23 2006, 09:19 PM

I think so Jenn!

JenT

Aug 23 2006, 09:20 PM

The moral: don't make racist comments if you don't want to be labeled a racist.

iceyspots

Aug 23 2006, 09:24 PM

QUOTE(JenT @ Aug 23 2006, 10:20 PM)

The moral: don't make racist comments if you don't want to be labeled a racist.

And be careful for that guy who is wearing that "thing" on his head..

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Jenn!

Aug 23 2006, 09:26 PM

Is it racist of me to be suspicious of all men with poo on their heads?

iceyspots

Aug 23 2006, 09:27 PM

QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Aug 23 2006, 10:26 PM)

Is it racist of me to be suspicious of all men with poo on their heads?

yes... because we have a right to fling poo wherever we want LOL

sarah and hicham

Aug 23 2006, 09:33 PM

I thought it was hot dog material, not poo.

JenT

Aug 23 2006, 09:34 PM

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 23 2006, 10:24 PM)

QUOTE(JenT @ Aug 23 2006, 10:20 PM)

The moral: don't make racist comments if you don't want to be labeled a racist.

And be careful for that guy who is wearing that "thing" on his head..

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That seriously looks like a picture of my ex-husband when he was in college.
Minus the poo.
The poo didn't appear until after we were married.

iceyspots

Aug 23 2006, 09:34 PM

Henia

Aug 23 2006, 09:35 PM

Recent article posted in a Irish paper...

MUSLIM PILOT REVEALS SHOCK AT BEING ORDERED OFF FLIGHT -

Arifa Akbar, Belfast Telegraph, 8/22/06
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/sto...sp?story=703452

A British Muslim airline pilot yesterday described the "humiliating" moment when he was hauled off a transatlantic flight just before take-off.

Amar Ashraf, 28, who was born in Wrexham, North Wales, said he felt "demoralised and humiliated" after being told to leave the flight from Manchester to Newark by a stewardess, and then being questioned by armed police. He believes his removal was down to having a "Muslim-sounding name".

Mr Ashraf, 28, a British Pakistani who was returning to his job as a pilot for one of Continental's partner airlines in the US, will lodge a formal complaint with Continental Airlines, with whom he was travelling, as well as with the US authorities.

His complaint follows growing concern among British Muslims over incidents in which Asian people have been removed from flights, as well as anger over the "passenger mutiny" in which two men were ordered off a plane bound for Manchester. Passengers became concerned by the two, who were said to be speaking Arabic and looked of Asian or Middle Eastern appearance.

Mr Ashraf said: "I was a standby passenger and I'd been told I could travel at 9am that morning. I'd gone through the same stringent security as every other passenger. I was patted down twice and my hand luggage was checked."

He added: "I'd got my boarding pass and got on the plane on business class. The aircraft's doors had closed and it got pushed back from the gates. Then we sat away from the gates for an hour. I must have fallen asleep because I was woken up by a Continental employee who wanted to have a word with me.

"I got out of my seat and noticed the aircraft door was open and the stairs had been moved back to the door. The stewardess told me there were no standby employees allowed to fly that day, but I was sure there were other standby passengers on board the plane. I was demoralised and I had to walk down the stairs, which was really humiliating."

He was then approached by two armed police officers who interrogated him. Mr Ashraf said the officers asked him if he knew why the US government wanted him off the flight. He was forced to go back to his family home in Wales and paid £800 for an alternative Virgin flight two days later.

He is convinced that his racial profile prevented him from flying on 10 August, the first day of the heightened security alert at British airports.

JenT

Aug 23 2006, 09:36 PM

Oh man. Just when I thought we were winding down for the night....

Henia

Aug 23 2006, 09:46 PM

Does this sound familiar? LOL

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

iceyspots

Aug 23 2006, 09:48 PM

henia are you playing with matches jk lol

JenT

Aug 23 2006, 09:51 PM

Please. Don't make us go back to Caesar. Pleeeeezzzzzz....

** runs wildly into the night **

Henia

Aug 23 2006, 10:02 PM

All right I will be good... I am just laughing now at these posts... at the poo posts...LOL ...Donnot mean to cause drama... Actualy just want some laughs and post boost.

Alright a round of mint tea for everyone..

JenT

Aug 23 2006, 10:31 PM

No sugar in mine, thanks. Straight up for me.

Post boost... don't let the Capt catch wind of that... you'll be banned... and then what would we do???

Together4ever

Aug 24 2006, 05:32 AM

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 23 2006, 10:13 PM)

So whats the moral of the story today lol

We are all human beings living on the same rock and all it takes is a bit of common decency to be able to get along. Cut us, we all bleed.

It's not hard, yet people refuse to do it.

Nagishkaw

Aug 24 2006, 05:58 AM

QUOTE(desert_fox @ Aug 22 2006, 03:14 PM)

QUOTE(Bosco @ Aug 22 2006, 03:09 PM)

QUOTE(desert_fox @ Aug 22 2006, 04:05 PM)

QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 22 2006, 02:51 PM)

QUOTE(desert_fox @ Aug 22 2006, 02:39 PM)

Its called profiling. Thats the way it is in airports, especially when there are religious nuts out there that would have no problems killing everyone on board including themselves.

Dont like it?? walk!!

If I've passed through all the security checks, they've looked under my head thing, taken off my shoes, patted me down, dug through my backpack and purse, and taken away my hand lotion, then what's the need to keep me off the plane because my shirt has arabic or because I wear a head thing?

I'm reminded of a shirt I wore frequently in my college days. It's pictured below circled in pink On the back, it says FUNdamentalist. I think I'm going to have to dig through my husband's stuff and comendeer it back for awhile.

Its because ppl dont want with ppl wearing head thingies and chanting in some language...its not something you do on an airplane. Airplanes are for getting from point A to point B safely. Wanna chant, pray, kneel, bow, etc. do it at home or in some church...its not something we do in public and especially on airplanes.

Dont like it...sue em!!!
drive, walk, take a banana boat, ride a donkey, rtc....I dont care

Its because bigots dont want with ppl wearing head thingies and chanting in some language...its not something you do on an airplane. Airplanes are for getting from point A to point B safely. Wanna chant, pray, kneel, bow, etc. do it at home or in some church...its not something we do in public and especially on airplanes.

bigots....hahaha..thats funny...not me

look up the meaning of assimilate please......I could care less what religion you belong to....just keep it private and do it in your home, church, synagogue, mosque, wherever,,,,but not on the airplane that Im on.

dont wanna be a part of our society, then Im sure that some other place would suit you better.

Like maybe......Your planet???

Nagishkaw

Aug 24 2006, 06:33 AM

QUOTE(just_waiting @ Aug 23 2006, 06:56 PM)

QUOTE(Natashabrenda @ Aug 23 2006, 07:35 PM)

Desert Fox and Vartan I completley agree with you!!!!!
And here's MY opinion:
If all those ppl that are engaged to Muslims have SUCH a big problem with the way America has turned out to be after 9/11 (and let's not forget that the hijackers WERE indeed Muslim AND prayed to their Allah aloud just before they killed THOUSANDS of INNOCENT ppl IN AMERICA) then they should just move to the country of their better half.
I will be flying to the USA next months and I AM scared.I'm very sorry (honestly) that nower days ALL Muslims are looked at as terrorists as I am sure only a small percentage of Muslims IS involved in terrorism,but that's America (and a good part of the rest of the Western world as well) after 9/11.
If we should happen to have someone who looks suspicous on board our aircarft and that person on top of that wears a shirt with Arabic script AND prays-I WILL HAVE THEM REMOVE THAT PERSON .
There would be a very simple solution for all this though,well at least as far as flying goes-
an Arabic airline,that flies Muslims only.Or an airline that flies non Arabic/Middle Easterners/Muslims only.
That way neither could or would be offended by the other and everyone could enjoy a safe trip!!!
Unfrtunatley "innocent" Muslims and Arabs,Middle Easterners and ppl that just happen to "look suspicous" are the "victims" of what their brothers did on 9/11.But this is the world we live in.
My soon to be husband and me just had a conversation about that tonight when we talked about where we'd settle down in the USA.And I have told him I don't want to be anywhere near Muslims bc I'm SCARED of them.NOT because I believe they're stupid,evil,ugly -whatever,but bc I'm SCARED.
Before 9/11 I wasn't,now I am,and I know A LOT of ppl feel that way since 9/11.
Of course Muslims and there loved ones have to suffer from that,but hey me being born in Germany-trust me I know what it means to suffer for something you actually didn't have ANYTHING to do with.I was born in 1975,my parents were born in 1940,so hey my family didn't have anything to do with the killing of the Jews,yet my parents were looked at in a strange way bc they were German............I have a very close friend who is Jewish and she STILL looks at old Geramn ppl as if each and every one of them was a Jew Killer.She was born in 1954,after the Hollcaust but has lost many family members in Concentration Camps in Germany...so you see it will go on for Generations.
And hey lets face it,Muslim ppl do love to provoke Americans.
There is this Muslim "Comedian" in NYC who actually makes JOKES about 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This piece of ****(find your own words) is standing on stage making JOKES about the victims!!!! I myself have seen it on TV just a few days ago and by God I was hell raising mad.If I ever get a hold of that guy he will have to listen to me and he will not like my opinion one bit.In my eyes someone like that should be given a one way ticket back to the Muslim Country he came from .
AMERICA-LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!!!!!
Nat

America was founded by immigrants. Its doors have always been open to all nations. Including those you are so cowardly towards. Perhaps you should stay where you are and YOUR SO fly to you if you are so afraid. There are muslims here. I am a muslim. You'd never know it if I were sitting next to you on a bus. And guess what. I could give a rat's ### who you are OR where you're from or what your religion is or anything else about you. Again you are confusing Arab zealots with MUSLIMS. There is a big difference, sister. These days I am worn down by the type of idiotic drool you just spouted in this post, you CNN propoganda-munching zombie. You realize from all the crud you just said, you are exemplifying how YOU are exactly that which you project onto the much dreaded "THEM". Ick.

... and your little dog too.

The way people act, you half expect to see all muslims creeping around like Elmer Fudd... "shhhhh be vewy vewy quiet... I'm hunting evil westerners." Retarded. Just plain retarded.

(I'm really sick of people and not much in the mood to be "nice" anymore.)

I also dont' care what you think about what I said. So knock yourself out.

I could'nt agree with you more. Amen AND Ameen !!

QUOTE(Natashabrenda @ Aug 23 2006, 07:03 PM)

You know,I really don't care if you think it's funny stupid or whatever.
Fact is that ppl are scared when they see Muslim looking ppl on their aircraft,if that would not be the case then ppl wouldn't be looked at as if they would be wanting to do something to that airplane.
Ppl are SCARED,not intolerant (well at least most are simply scared and nothing but that).They don't have the intension to make an Arab/Muslim/Middle Easterner feel stupid,hurt or anything when they act "funny" as soon as they see a person like that board their plane.They are SCARED.Scared to die like thousands did damn near exactly 5 years ago.
Do you ppl not understand that??????
And what I said about the simple solution :
think about it,that way Muslims wouldn't be looked at stupid anymore ,wouldn't be treated like crap anymore when they simply want to travel with no bad intensions and the rest of us all who ARE scared could also travel without having to feel scared.
Lets face it ppl,if the hijackers would have been Chinese ppl would be afraid of Chinese now,not of Muslims= Arab looking ppl.
Personally I don't acre about your religion,race,gender.,sexual preferences or anything.You treat me and my loved ones with respect and I will do the same to you and your loved ones.
But yes I AM scared and unfortunatley I do worry each and everytime I see an Arab whether he has or does not have something to do with Terrorism.
The Hijackers were co called "Sleepers".the had perfectly normal lifes,went to college,had American friends,were looked at as nice and freindly ppl,UNTIL they were called to duty-and that led to 9/11.
Do you all NOW understand WHYppl are scared????? It doesn't have anything to do with Intolerance,but with fear.
Nat

You think people are scared of Injuns, too????? That would be REALLY SCARY.........

The First Nations people were here first. Should we make em go back over the Berring Straight, say, maybe charge em a buck a head???

Together4ever

Aug 24 2006, 06:36 AM

QUOTE(jabree @ Aug 24 2006, 07:33 AM)

You think people are scared of Injuns, too????? That would be REALLY SCARY.........

The First Nations people were here first. Should we make em go back over the Berring Straight, say, maybe charge em a buck a head???

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! You'll give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nagishkaw

Aug 24 2006, 06:41 AM

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[quote name='jabree' post='396970' date='Aug 24 2006, 07:33 AM']

You think people are scared of Injuns, too????? That would be REALLY SCARY.........

The First Nations people were here first. Should we make em go back over the Berring Straight, say, maybe charge em a buck a head???
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! You'll give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think I am scared of myself now.

Together4ever

Aug 24 2006, 06:45 AM

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[quote name='just_waiting' date='Aug 24 2006, 06:36 AM' post='396973']
[quote name='jabree' post='396970' date='Aug 24 2006, 07:33 AM']

You think people are scared of Injuns, too????? That would be REALLY SCARY.........

The First Nations people were here first. Should we make em go back over the Berring Straight, say, maybe charge em a buck a head???
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! You'll give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think I am scared of myself now.
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Me too. I am cowering under my desk because I remembered I'm muslim and might do something creepy.

Nagishkaw

Aug 24 2006, 07:03 AM

I'm thinking I should break out the sage and ' smudge' myself, recite a few incantations, but the neighbours might call in the cavalry. Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

PlatyPius

Aug 24 2006, 07:40 AM

QUOTE(jabree @ Aug 24 2006, 08:03 AM)

Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

That's exactly why I don't believe in any of the major religions; I refuse to live on my knees.

rahma

Aug 24 2006, 07:44 AM

Wow, I missed it all

Fooy, that's what I get for taking night classes.

PlatyPius

Aug 24 2006, 07:47 AM

Oh it was quite exciting. There was suspense, there was confrontation, there was debate, there was peace.... we covered just about everything, really.

JElsafty

Aug 24 2006, 08:28 AM

QUOTE(Natashabrenda @ Aug 23 2006, 07:57 PM)

Ok my definition of a racist:
Someone who verbally or physically attacks someone for no reason other than that person lets say being Black,Jewish or whatever.
I DID NOT attack anyone verbally or physically.
Why I don't want her to call me sis? Very easy to explain,she is rude and disrespectful towards me.I have not attacked her verbally nor have I done anything else than telling ppl what I (!!!!!!) think.
Nat

Sorry sis, in the past you did present yourself to be very racist.
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...20143&st=45

moody

Aug 24 2006, 08:42 AM

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! I miss all the good stuff

I seriously need to get net at home.

AngelK96

Aug 24 2006, 08:46 AM

QUOTE(jabree @ Aug 24 2006, 07:03 AM)

I'm thinking I should break out the sage and ' smudge' myself, recite a few incantations, but the neighbours might call in the cavalry. Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

Jabree I like how you worded that

Together4ever

Aug 24 2006, 09:05 AM

QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 24 2006, 08:40 AM)

QUOTE(jabree @ Aug 24 2006, 08:03 AM)

Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

That's exactly why I don't believe in any of the major religions; I refuse to live on my knees.

All depends on how you define "living on your knees" I suppose.

moody

Aug 24 2006, 09:14 AM

Naughty, naughty Miss Jean

PlatyPius

Aug 24 2006, 09:15 AM

"All depends on how you define "living on your knees" I suppose."

It does.

I consider religions that require a subservient relationship with "god" to be living on ones' knees.

Some people need that kind of thing in their life, and that's fine for them.

I don't really have a problem with others being religious; it just ain't for me. lol