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Fiancé Visa – The Financials Exposed!



This article will expose the realities of the financial investment involved in bringing your beloved to this wonderful country. For the purpose of this article we will refer to the petitioner as HE (male) and the beneficiary as SHE (female), since it is the case for most of us here. Of cause HE(male) and SHE (female) can be used interchangeably in some cases with BENEFICIARY and PETITIONER. Many future wives from foreign countries have their own lives they can relate to. They understand their own personal financial needs in their own country, but are not clear about the financial resources that a blissful process of a foreign husband will involve. This is simply not at their fault, but just because they live in their own countries and can NOT YET relate to the investments that are being made. Now here we will expose the true financial realities to men considering to bring their futures wife's to the USA, but more importantly also to future wife's, to simply understand the financial investment you beloved husband is making for both of your happiness.



Before I continue, please read this article in an informative light. This article is very honest about the pure realities, without sugarcoating anything. We, as your future husbands love our brides to be very much! We will do anything for them. This article is not a romance novel, but instead a pure financial reality for those who wish to know the truths about the financials behind your beautiful romance and the investment needed for marrying a foreign bride.



Long ago, I read somewhere that it costs about $20,000 to marry a foreign national. In this article we will put that to the test. We will look at (1) real life one time expenses like international travel, engagement o wedding rings, etc. We will also look at (2) increased monthly expenses like how much your mans telephone bill has increased, above what it use to be or how much he is now paying for translation fees every month, which he never paid for. We will also look at expenses like the wedding and honeymoon – the (3) once in a lifetime events. Then lastly we will look at a (4) sample budget of a "everyday USA" man or family.



Please bare in mind, that these are samples. If you get a better per minute telephone rate, this is not the place for it. This is for illustration purposes, but I draw from my experience and several friends who have pursued the dream of marrying a foreign bride.



TRAVEL (over 1 year)
3 trips – flights @ 1400 each---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$4200
3 trips – accommodation @ $60/night and 10 days / trip------------------------------------------------------------------$1800
3 trips – daily money for food and play $1000/trip----------------------------------------------------------------------------$3000
3 trips – travel insurance @ $80 / insurance policy--------------------------------------------------------------------------$240
TOTAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240



RINGS:
2 wedding bands @ $500--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
1 OPTIONAL engagement ring-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000



INCREASED MONTHLY EXPENCES, ABOVE THE MORM:
This is the difference that individual expenses for your future husband has increased above the norm, that is the typical amount in the USA. Not all of these will apply to you, but it might, especially if your future wife does not speak English yet.



12 months – telephone minimum of $100 per month increase-----------------------------------------------------------$1200
12 months – email translation services $130 per month--------------------------------------------------------------------$1440
12 months – telephone translation service. 3 calls per week; 30 min each @ $0.50/min----------------------$4320
12 month – English classes for your fiancé @ $70 per month-----------------------------------------------------------$840
3 months – Introduction driving lessons (without exam) -------------------------------------------------------------------$500
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300


IMMIGRATION:
Fiancé Visa fee to USCIS----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$170
Visa Preparation Service-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500
Documents translated (police certificate, birth certificate, etc)-------------------------------------------------------------$300
Fiancé Visa Interview fees and medical examination--------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
4 occurrences – Emergency FEDEX of documents @ $100----------------------------------------------------------------$400
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570



WEDDING and HONEYMOON:
Your future husband will think and plan ahead. He has to plan for expenses of your honeymoon and depending on your tradition (or if his parents still live), he might have to plan money for a wedding too. Here we will not go into detail, but give you price ranges.



1 week honeymoon (flights, accommodation, food money and play money)--------------------------------------$3000+
Destination wedding (Hawaii)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1200-$6000
Wedding on Mainland USA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$10,000+
Wedding dress and outfit---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
Men's Tuxedo rental-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
TOTAL (Honeymoon + dress + Jux [not wedding])---------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600


TOTALS:
Let's add these up. Of cause, we understand that some people will use all these services and have all these expenses, other will not.

Travel-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240
Rings-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
Increased monthly expenses above the norm----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300
Immigration----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570
Wedding and Honeymoon-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600

TOTAL INVESTMENT over 12 months----------- ------------------------------------------------------------------$23710



WOW, this is amazing! I truly have never done this math before and it holds true.


SAMPLE AMERICAN BUDGET:

I sat down with a few friends and we brainstormed a budget. Here we can give an indicator to our new wife's the cost of life here in the USA. This budget is based on a home owner in a average nice neighborhood in Texas, owns a average car and has the standard services most Americans have. We did not give him a salary first, but calculated the reality of normal expenses to reflect your everyday USA standard of living.



Mortgage (property tax included)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1400
Property tax (for some property tax might not be included)----------------------------------------------------------------$350
Home insurance----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
Car payment---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$350
Car insurance--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$80
Food---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$400
Electricity/Natural Gas Average (Texas)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$350
Water and Surge----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Monthly Average: Car maintenance--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Monthly Average: Medical expenses-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
Entertainment-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
Special Events (birthdays/gifts)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$50
Petroleum / Gasoline---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$120
Clothing (monthly average over the year)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$50
Home maintenance------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$150
Miscellaneous food------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$30
Telephone (before calling international) + Internet + Cable/Sat TV-------------------------------------------------------$120
Mobile Phone---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Hobbies and sports (health club membership)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$30
TOTAL-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3570/month

Interestingly, if we take $3570 which is the pay he takes home and add tax to it and calculate an annual income for this fictitious man, we will be earning a yearly income of about $58,000 per year, assuming he is NOT SAVING ANYTHING and is NOT investing in his pension fund. If we add these to variables into the equation, assuming he invests 20% into his pension and saves 10% ($350/month) of his salary, we will be receiving an annual salary of $70,000. This is what most professionals earn about here in the USA. Professionals being sales people, IT professionals, managers, engineers, etc.



According to the Census Bureau here in the US, the median income for an average HOUSEHOLD in the USA is $43,000. HOUSEHOLD, where the man and woman contributes.



HOW DOES ALL OF THIS ADD UP?

So now that you have seen the numbers and might wonder, how will my beloved future husband make all of this happen for us? When you are engaged there is no question that he loves his fiancé with his whole heart and soul. Finding and knowing you have found your soul mate is an extraordinary experience and with love and commitment he will make it happen. He will adapt his life in a million small ways, so that the 2 of you can be together.



It is going to be hard for him, financially, VERY HARD. If we look at our fictitious man, earning $70,000 a year and takes home $3570 a month, that means in one hear he takes home $43,000 a year after tax. He needs to come up with another $23,710 in addition to still pay for his existing expenses also. This is almost 50%.



THE MESSEGE:

Here is the main message! This sample man we looked at is very real. It will represent closely a large percentage of men that want to bring their beloved future wife's from abroad. As a future wife, consider this... Your man needs to come up with an extra 50% more of his annual income, in order to make all of this happen. He will do this by changing his lifestyle, saving here and saving there. He will dip into long term savings. For all of this money, you will be together.



WHAT CAN I AS FUTURE WIFE DO?

Trust and honesty is crucial to any marriage, but in international relationship they develop much faster, or they decay much faster. Here is a few things you as the future wife can do to assist your beloved future husband:



- Show him you respect his money that he works very hard for.
- Understand that there is not an unlimited supply in his bank account.
- Do small things to also help save, since you are both a team now. Maybe write 3 letters a week in stead of 4 (if paying for translation).
- If you "want" something and do not "need" it, delay getting it. Your man needs to use his funds on things that will help the 2 of you get together and things that will be useful to you once you get to the USA. Belly dancing lessons is not one of those (smile).
- TALK to your future husband about what YOU can do to help. He will appreciate it VERY much! Not what you can do financially, but which small things can you do to ease the financial strain.



WHAT CAN I AS FUTURE HUSBAND DO?

Communication is critical and honesty is vital. You are making a huge commitment and telling her authentically what can be done and what can not, is very important.



- Share with her when something is not financially viable and a unproductive use of your money. Now of all times, you need to use your money to get her here and to prepare her for her new life with you.
- Be open and firm when something can not be done. She will appreciate the honesty VERY much and it will create a beautiful sense of closeness as you work thru all of this.
- Do not spend money on something she asks for and your heart does not feel right about it. This experience can be the best thing that happened to you in order to get your financial affairs in order. If you do spend money on something for her, feel right about it, not because you feel obligated.
- Also, by being firm and practical it will help you make sure that she wants your heart and that she has no ulterior motives.
- Talk to her about how much is there and how much is not. Tell her openly about options of doing things and how to pay for all of them. The better she is informed, the better she can help you save up.
- Ask her to help you. No, not financially, but by being your partner and by understanding the magnitude of the financials. Ask her to do what she can so that you as a couple will get thru this. Maybe you call her 3 times a week instead of 4.


I hope you got some insight into the financials that men like us are faced with. Please remember, we do not measure our love for our future wives by our wallets, but in this world we live in it is simply a part of life. Where 2 hearts become one, anything is possible.




Mew
I have no words, except for maybe: Oh.my.God.
Rob and Melinda
QUOTE(Justin @ Aug 14 2006, 03:07 PM) *

Fiancé Visa – The Financials Exposed!



This article will expose the realities of the financial investment involved in bringing your beloved to this wonderful country. For the purpose of this article we will refer to the petitioner as HE (male) and the beneficiary as SHE (female), since it is the case for most of us here. Of cause HE(male) and SHE (female) can be used interchangeably in some cases with BENEFICIARY and PETITIONER. Many future wives from foreign countries have their own lives they can relate to. They understand their own personal financial needs in their own country, but are not clear about the financial resources that a blissful process of a foreign husband will involve. This is simply not at their fault, but just because they live in their own countries and can NOT YET relate to the investments that are being made. Now here we will expose the true financial realities to men considering to bring their futures wife's to the USA, but more importantly also to future wife's, to simply understand the financial investment you beloved husband is making for both of your happiness.




Before I continue, please read this article in an informative light. This article is very honest about the pure realities, without sugarcoating anything. We, as your future husbands love our brides to be very much! We will do anything for them. This article is not a romance novel, but instead a pure financial reality for those who wish to know the truths about the financials behind your beautiful romance and the investment needed for marrying a foreign bride.



Long ago, I read somewhere that it costs about $20,000 to marry a foreign national. In this article we will put that to the test. We will look at (1) real life one time expenses like international travel, engagement o wedding rings, etc. We will also look at (2) increased monthly expenses like how much your mans telephone bill has increased, above what it use to be or how much he is now paying for translation fees every month, which he never paid for. We will also look at expenses like the wedding and honeymoon – the (3) once in a lifetime events. Then lastly we will look at a (4) sample budget of a "everyday USA" man or family.



Please bare in mind, that these are samples. If you get a better per minute telephone rate, this is not the place for it. This is for illustration purposes, but I draw from my experience and several friends who have pursued the dream of marrying a foreign bride.



TRAVEL (over 1 year)
3 trips – flights @ 1400 each---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$4200
3 trips – accommodation @ $60/night and 10 days / trip------------------------------------------------------------------$1800
3 trips – daily money for food and play $1000/trip----------------------------------------------------------------------------$3000
3 trips – travel insurance @ $80 / insurance policy--------------------------------------------------------------------------$240
TOTAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240



RINGS:
2 wedding bands @ $500--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
1 OPTIONAL engagement ring-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000



INCREASED MONTHLY EXPENCES, ABOVE THE MORM:
This is the difference that individual expenses for your future husband has increased above the norm, that is the typical amount in the USA. Not all of these will apply to you, but it might, especially if your future wife does not speak English yet.



12 months – telephone minimum of $100 per month increase-----------------------------------------------------------$1200
12 months – email translation services $130 per month--------------------------------------------------------------------$1440
12 months – telephone translation service. 3 calls per week; 30 min each @ $0.50/min----------------------$4320
12 month – English classes for your fiancé @ $70 per month-----------------------------------------------------------$840
3 months – Introduction driving lessons (without exam) -------------------------------------------------------------------$500
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300


IMMIGRATION:
Fiancé Visa fee to USCIS----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$170
Visa Preparation Service-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500
Documents translated (police certificate, birth certificate, etc)-------------------------------------------------------------$300
Fiancé Visa Interview fees and medical examination--------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
4 occurrences – Emergency FEDEX of documents @ $100----------------------------------------------------------------$400
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570



WEDDING and HONEYMOON:
Your future husband will think and plan ahead. He has to plan for expenses of your honeymoon and depending on your tradition (or if his parents still live), he might have to plan money for a wedding too. Here we will not go into detail, but give you price ranges.



1 week honeymoon (flights, accommodation, food money and play money)--------------------------------------$3000+
Destination wedding (Hawaii)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1200-$6000
Wedding on Mainland USA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$10,000+
Wedding dress and outfit---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
Men's Tuxedo rental-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
TOTAL (Honeymoon + dress + Jux [not wedding])---------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600


TOTALS:
Let's add these up. Of cause, we understand that some people will use all these services and have all these expenses, other will not.

Travel-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240
Rings-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
Increased monthly expenses above the norm----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300
Immigration----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570
Wedding and Honeymoon-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600

TOTAL INVESTMENT over 12 months----------- ------------------------------------------------------------------$23710



WOW, this is amazing! I truly have never done this math before and it holds true.


SAMPLE AMERICAN BUDGET:

I sat down with a few friends and we brainstormed a budget. Here we can give an indicator to our new wife's the cost of life here in the USA. This budget is based on a home owner in a average nice neighborhood in Texas, owns a average car and has the standard services most Americans have. We did not give him a salary first, but calculated the reality of normal expenses to reflect your everyday USA standard of living.



Mortgage (property tax included)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1400
Property tax (for some property tax might not be included)----------------------------------------------------------------$350
Home insurance----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
Car payment---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$350
Car insurance--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$80
Food---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$400
Electricity/Natural Gas Average (Texas)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$350
Water and Surge----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Monthly Average: Car maintenance--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Monthly Average: Medical expenses-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
Entertainment-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
Special Events (birthdays/gifts)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$50
Petroleum / Gasoline---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$120
Clothing (monthly average over the year)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$50
Home maintenance------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$150
Miscellaneous food------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$30
Telephone (before calling international) + Internet + Cable/Sat TV-------------------------------------------------------$120
Mobile Phone---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Hobbies and sports (health club membership)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$30
TOTAL-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3570/month

Interestingly, if we take $3570 which is the pay he takes home and add tax to it and calculate an annual income for this fictitious man, we will be earning a yearly income of about $58,000 per year, assuming he is NOT SAVING ANYTHING and is NOT investing in his pension fund. If we add these to variables into the equation, assuming he invests 20% into his pension and saves 10% ($350/month) of his salary, we will be receiving an annual salary of $70,000. This is what most professionals earn about here in the USA. Professionals being sales people, IT professionals, managers, engineers, etc.



According to the Census Bureau here in the US, the median income for an average HOUSEHOLD in the USA is $43,000. HOUSEHOLD, where the man and woman contributes.



HOW DOES ALL OF THIS ADD UP?

So now that you have seen the numbers and might wonder, how will my beloved future husband make all of this happen for us? When you are engaged there is no question that he loves his fiancé with his whole heart and soul. Finding and knowing you have found your soul mate is an extraordinary experience and with love and commitment he will make it happen. He will adapt his life in a million small ways, so that the 2 of you can be together.



It is going to be hard for him, financially, VERY HARD. If we look at our fictitious man, earning $70,000 a year and takes home $3570 a month, that means in one hear he takes home $43,000 a year after tax. He needs to come up with another $23,710 in addition to still pay for his existing expenses also. This is almost 50%.



THE MESSEGE:

Here is the main message! This sample man we looked at is very real. It will represent closely a large percentage of men that want to bring their beloved future wife's from abroad. As a future wife, consider this... Your man needs to come up with an extra 50% more of his annual income, in order to make all of this happen. He will do this by changing his lifestyle, saving here and saving there. He will dip into long term savings. For all of this money, you will be together.



WHAT CAN I AS FUTURE WIFE DO?

Trust and honesty is crucial to any marriage, but in international relationship they develop much faster, or they decay much faster. Here is a few things you as the future wife can do to assist your beloved future husband:



- Show him you respect his money that he works very hard for.
- Understand that there is not an unlimited supply in his bank account.
- Do small things to also help save, since you are both a team now. Maybe write 3 letters a week in stead of 4 (if paying for translation).
- If you "want" something and do not "need" it, delay getting it. Your man needs to use his funds on things that will help the 2 of you get together and things that will be useful to you once you get to the USA. Belly dancing lessons is not one of those (smile).
- TALK to your future husband about what YOU can do to help. He will appreciate it VERY much! Not what you can do financially, but which small things can you do to ease the financial strain.



WHAT CAN I AS FUTURE HUSBAND DO?

Communication is critical and honesty is vital. You are making a huge commitment and telling her authentically what can be done and what can not, is very important.



- Share with her when something is not financially viable and a unproductive use of your money. Now of all times, you need to use your money to get her here and to prepare her for her new life with you.
- Be open and firm when something can not be done. She will appreciate the honesty VERY much and it will create a beautiful sense of closeness as you work thru all of this.
- Do not spend money on something she asks for and your heart does not feel right about it. This experience can be the best thing that happened to you in order to get your financial affairs in order. If you do spend money on something for her, feel right about it, not because you feel obligated.
- Also, by being firm and practical it will help you make sure that she wants your heart and that she has no ulterior motives.
- Talk to her about how much is there and how much is not. Tell her openly about options of doing things and how to pay for all of them. The better she is informed, the better she can help you save up.
- Ask her to help you. No, not financially, but by being your partner and by understanding the magnitude of the financials. Ask her to do what she can so that you as a couple will get thru this. Maybe you call her 3 times a week instead of 4.


I hope you got some insight into the financials that men like us are faced with. Please remember, we do not measure our love for our future wives by our wallets, but in this world we live in it is simply a part of life. Where 2 hearts become one, anything is possible.


Actually, your estimates for myself are pretty accurate. So far I have spend well over $15,000 and We are not even half way through this process yet!

But I would give everything I own to be with Melinda!

Rob
choji
My answer to the (obviously male) writer of this article:

1. Hire a cleaning lady
2. Visit the local "maison d'amour" once a week

Add up the money saved - voila, you don't need a wife, never mind which nationality.

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Karen_L
Hm. Maybe it's just the nature of our relationship, or maybe it's because I (the girl) am the USC and my fiance' is the immigrant, but I have NEVER sent my fiance' money and he's never asked for any, and it is DEFINITELY not because my fiance' has lots and lots of money; in fact, he wasn't even allowed to work more than 6 hours a week in Italy. In total, I DID spend more money than he has (traveling to see him, for calling cards, etc), but I've never sent him money so he could pay for stuff/cover his expenses.

Do lots of people help financially support their fiancee/fiance during the period apart?
PlatyPius
Assuming all of these figures are correct (which they are not), how then am I surviving having a foreign fiance while I make $27,000/year (as an I.T. Professional - $70K/year??? Maybe in DFW, not in Indiana)
Emma&Paul
I think you need some serious helpsmilie.gif

If you need a translater to understand everything your fiance says then maybe you really don't need to be going through the process in the beginning, that will save you some of that precious money your so worried about.

It's time wasters like you that feel the need to buy your wives that slow the process down for us legitimate people that are actually in love.

Get a life ..... and a wife you can understand !!
PlatyPius
For comparison....

Per Capita Income
#3. United States $41,399

Putnam County, Indiana $17,163

Basically, your "financial essay" is useless to anyone who lives outside of the DFW area. It's also useless to anyone who has a foreign fiance who actually works, lives in a non-third world country, or speaks English.

The "average monthly expenses" exceed my monthly income by quite a bit, too. lol
luvaLimey
yeah, um. I'm not a foreign bride.

The OP should probably spend more time around this forum, where they will most likely find this site doesn't just cater to the mail-order-brides.
Kathryn41
Pretty condecending article - do others also feel 'talked down to'? These figures are totally unrealistic for the majority of K-1 visa applicants, and the 'daily living' expenses are also unrealistic. We live very comfortably in the Atlanta area - not a cheap part of the country - yet our expenses for the two of us plus our pets are less across the board for all of your single US citizen 'necessities'. It sounds to me that you have another agenda somewhere - some bone of contention to pick about your own dissatisfaction. I suspect that you don't feel that the 'importance' of your own financial worth is fully appreciated by your own fiancee or wife. Maybe because she was expecting to focus on a relationship rather than on an itemized debit ledger.
roi_aggie
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sarah and hicham
Jesus I hope this isn't right!

I didn't even know I had that much money in the first place!
jezebelseven
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Aug 14 2006, 07:38 PM) *

These figures are totally unrealistic for the majority of K-1 visa applicants, and the 'daily living' expenses are also unrealistic.


I think it's truely impossible to have any kind of generic list of things like this be correct.
There are so many things in here that are optional or not an issue to so many couples here, so many variables that it's not even realistic to have a general 'price list'. I'm also curious where the idea that the majority of users here are US male citizens bringing a wife here, when my understanding was the opposite (I could be wrong, but that was the feeling I've gotten being here for the time I have.). Either way, I don't see this as an issue of whether its a man bringing a woman here or vice versa, and that's truely how it comes across. The costs should be the same. Women face the same financial issues in this process as men do.

The travel section is completely variable because we all traveling to different countries at different times of the year (Some of us see our fiances once a year, some have the luck of being able to drive across the canadian border and see each other every weekend). I've never paid more than $1000 for my entire trip, including lodging (I stay with my fiance at his mother's home) and food/play. I've never paid for travel insurance, either, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, not to mention I've always seen it offered at cheaper than $80, more like 30.

Rings is also completely variable. Not only is the engagement ring optional, but $500+ is not nessessarily the bottom price that will be paid. Mine was more around $400, and was paid half and half by myself and my fiance. It also includes the wedding band. His wedding band will be no more than $150. Wedding bands, although traditional, are also optional. I know plenty of couples, even ones who didn't marry an alien, who decided they didn't want to get jewelry for that reason.

Monthly expenses again is incredibly variable. The only thing I can see even being an issue for my fiance moving here is the driving lessons, and truthfully I think he could easily do without them.

Immigration, again, variable. The only thing that applies to us all there is the form price. I believe the med exam changes from country to country. Not everyone will have to fedex docs overnight, or have things translated.

Wedding and honeymoon, again, your ranges are starting at high points and ignoring the lows or nonexistants. No honeymoon for us, an incredibly small wedding (for an incredibly small family), my wedding dress costs $150, etc, etc.

Lots of things depend not only on the country we're talking about, but the age of the people, and god knows how many other things.

So. Yes. There are very few actual constants in your equations here that hold true for everyone, and it's definately higher than realistic for most of us. When I first read this I was incredibly worried that I was being unrealistic, but I think it's quite the opposite.
Kathryn41
One other important consideration: whatever costs are incurred for a marriage (ie. wedding expenses, rings, honeymoon, etc.) are equally applicable for a non-foreign fiancee as they are for a foreign one so should not even be included in with the equations.

Also, quite a number of the foreign fiance(e)s pay for their own medical exams, visa fees, transportation and accommodation costs for the interviews, and mailing costs to send necessary documents to our US sponsors, sharing in the 'immigration' expenses..
KarenCee
Hmm.....Justin, you have to be seriously blind if you really believe this. My husband and I did NOT spend this kind of money to be together. We both contributed to the expense of this process, but not to THIS extent! Some...really I should say most...of the expenses you've listed are farfetched and rather exaggerated at best. I suppose if you have extravagant tastes or lifestyle then I can see one's costs amounting to this much. Meh, thank goodness this kind of thing doesn't apply to my husband or me. star_smile.gif

MrMrsKnight
Dave and I share everything including bills....
1) We don't spend money on phone bills at all as we only use skype. I do call him when he's at work sometimes but the phone bill is usually about 20 bucks....
2) We do not translate anything except for 3 documents we needed to get translated to send with the petition.

Oh you know what I could write a list but i'm not even gonna try..... lol.... not worth it.... tongue.gif
KarenCee
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Aug 14 2006, 07:38 PM) *

Pretty condecending article - do others also feel 'talked down to'? These figures are totally unrealistic for the majority of K-1 visa applicants, and the 'daily living' expenses are also unrealistic. We live very comfortably in the Atlanta area - not a cheap part of the country - yet our expenses for the two of us plus our pets are less across the board for all of your single US citizen 'necessities'. It sounds to me that you have another agenda somewhere - some bone of contention to pick about your own dissatisfaction. I suspect that you don't feel that the 'importance' of your own financial worth is fully appreciated by your own fiancee or wife. Maybe because she was expecting to focus on a relationship rather than on an itemized debit ledger.

Yes...it was rather condescending IMHO. Our expenses are far less than what Justin quotes. I would feel that I am merely an expense rather than the love of one's life after reading this. My husband and I share expenses, and it's OUR money, not HIS or MINE. Just a thought there ol boy...would your "future wife" be viewed as your equal or a piece of property or as in investment?

BTW Justin...I'm not the "foreign bride"...I am a USC and my husband is the "foreign husband". I concur with Kathryn...sounds like you have an agenda. Care to share?
cheeky^Wolf
Who said romance was dead? lmao

I'd be interested to know if this breakdown was included in a translation to your future wife and how she felt about it.

I'm sure she'd be thrilled to see her value/burden on paper!

Karen_L
QUOTE(Emma&Paul @ Aug 14 2006, 06:53 PM) *

[color=#CC0000] you need a translater to understand everything your fiance says then maybe you really don't need to be going through the process in the beginning, that will save you some of that precious money your so worried about.
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I was thinking the exact same thing!
Though, I guess speaking in English and writing/reading English are two very different animals, so maybe if someone was able to speak English, writing a letter in English or reading a letter might be much harder to do.
iceyspots
Laundry?? Priceless....
Garfield fan
QUOTE(Justin @ Aug 14 2006, 03:07 PM) *


TRAVEL (over 1 year)
3 trips – flights @ 1400 each---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$4200
3 trips – accommodation @ $60/night and 10 days / trip------------------------------------------------------------------$1800
3 trips – daily money for food and play $1000/trip----------------------------------------------------------------------------$3000
3 trips – travel insurance @ $80 / insurance policy--------------------------------------------------------------------------$240
TOTAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240


Let's see how accurate it is for my case.

Hmmm... hubby only visited me once a year and he didn't buy any travel insurance. This first illustration is far off...


QUOTE

RINGS:
2 wedding bands @ $500--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
1 OPTIONAL engagement ring-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000


Didn't have engagement ring. This one is pretty accurate although we spent less than $1000 for rings.


QUOTE

INCREASED MONTHLY EXPENCES, ABOVE THE MORM:
This is the difference that individual expenses for your future husband has increased above the norm, that is the typical amount in the USA. Not all of these will apply to you, but it might, especially if your future wife does not speak English yet.



12 months – telephone minimum of $100 per month increase-----------------------------------------------------------$1200
12 months – email translation services $130 per month--------------------------------------------------------------------$1440
12 months – telephone translation service. 3 calls per week; 30 min each @ $0.50/min----------------------$4320
12 month – English classes for your fiancé @ $70 per month-----------------------------------------------------------$840
3 months – Introduction driving lessons (without exam) -------------------------------------------------------------------$500
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300


Telephone increase of $100 a month ?? This dude must have not known any cheap phone cards... poor thing... tongue.gif I speak English as my second language, no need translation service or classes. And who in the hell would hire professional translator for personal emails ??? wacko.gif
Oh, and I also have been driving for 10 yrs when I met my hubby, no need any additional driving lessons.



QUOTE

IMMIGRATION:
Fiancé Visa fee to USCIS----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$170
Visa Preparation Service-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500
Documents translated (police certificate, birth certificate, etc)-------------------------------------------------------------$300
Fiancé Visa Interview fees and medical examination--------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
4 occurrences – Emergency FEDEX of documents @ $100----------------------------------------------------------------$400
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570


This one is also quite accurate for me, but I spent I-130 and K3 fee, and only $50 for FEDEX. So the details are off, but the total still fits.

QUOTE


WEDDING and HONEYMOON:
Your future husband will think and plan ahead. He has to plan for expenses of your honeymoon and depending on your tradition (or if his parents still live), he might have to plan money for a wedding too. Here we will not go into detail, but give you price ranges.



1 week honeymoon (flights, accommodation, food money and play money)--------------------------------------$3000+
Destination wedding (Hawaii)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1200-$6000
Wedding on Mainland USA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$10,000+
Wedding dress and outfit---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
Men's Tuxedo rental-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
TOTAL (Honeymoon + dress + Jux [not wedding])---------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600


Had our wedding and honeymoon in Vancouver, nothing fancy, spent almost the same amount since both of us had to fly to Canada.


QUOTE

TOTALS:
Let's add these up. Of cause, we understand that some people will use all these services and have all these expenses, other will not.

Travel-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240
Rings-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
Increased monthly expenses above the norm----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300
Immigration----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570
Wedding and Honeymoon-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600

TOTAL INVESTMENT over 12 months----------- ------------------------------------------------------------------$23710


Ahem, being together with your loved one -------------- priceless yes.gif



MrMrsKnight
Did Justin write that??
I thought it was just an article he was sharing........ unsure.gif
Welshcookie
hmmm....perhaps he should have posted the link laughing.gif
cheeky^Wolf
"I sat down with a few friends and we brainstormed a budget. Here we can give an indicator to our new wife's the cost of life here in the USA. This budget is based on a home owner in a average nice neighborhood in Texas, owns a average car and has the standard services most Americans have. We did not give him a salary first, but calculated the reality of normal expenses to reflect your everyday USA standard of living."


I presumed that was him.

Does this win the longest post in VJ history? lol
Chuckles
Uhh, Justin did not write that article.

That article obviously does not apply to folks from Canada and Mexico who do not incur large expenses from travel.

Many countries outside our small little North American world here do not use the common Greek alphabet we are all used to, so yes, translation of forms, instructions, and emails can be an expense.

Some countries are poor. Their currency does not have the value ours does so the fees that seem small to us are huge to them. Some fiances/spouses need to have help with visa expenses.

This is a list. It does not apply to everyone. Relax. I personally do not agree with many of these things myself, but they apply to some people, and I am not going to judge them for it.

I guess I can see it is not clear about the author. Still, you should not have anger at Justin, I do not understand that.
babybunny
QUOTE(Justin @ Aug 15 2006, 03:07 AM) *

Fiancé Visa – The Financials Exposed!



This article will expose the realities of the financial investment involved in bringing your beloved to this wonderful country. For the purpose of this article we will refer to the petitioner as HE (male) and the beneficiary as SHE (female), since it is the case for most of us here. Of cause HE(male) and SHE (female) can be used interchangeably in some cases with BENEFICIARY and PETITIONER. Many future wives from foreign countries have their own lives they can relate to. They understand their own personal financial needs in their own country, but are not clear about the financial resources that a blissful process of a foreign husband will involve. This is simply not at their fault, but just because they live in their own countries and can NOT YET relate to the investments that are being made. Now here we will expose the true financial realities to men considering to bring their futures wife's to the USA, but more importantly also to future wife's, to simply understand the financial investment you beloved husband is making for both of your happiness.



Before I continue, please read this article in an informative light. This article is very honest about the pure realities, without sugarcoating anything. We, as your future husbands love our brides to be very much! We will do anything for them. This article is not a romance novel, but instead a pure financial reality for those who wish to know the truths about the financials behind your beautiful romance and the investment needed for marrying a foreign bride.



Long ago, I read somewhere that it costs about $20,000 to marry a foreign national. In this article we will put that to the test. We will look at (1) real life one time expenses like international travel, engagement o wedding rings, etc. We will also look at (2) increased monthly expenses like how much your mans telephone bill has increased, above what it use to be or how much he is now paying for translation fees every month, which he never paid for. We will also look at expenses like the wedding and honeymoon – the (3) once in a lifetime events. Then lastly we will look at a (4) sample budget of a "everyday USA" man or family.



Please bare in mind, that these are samples. If you get a better per minute telephone rate, this is not the place for it. This is for illustration purposes, but I draw from my experience and several friends who have pursued the dream of marrying a foreign bride.



TRAVEL (over 1 year)
3 trips – flights @ 1400 each---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$4200
3 trips – accommodation @ $60/night and 10 days / trip------------------------------------------------------------------$1800
3 trips – daily money for food and play $1000/trip----------------------------------------------------------------------------$3000
3 trips – travel insurance @ $80 / insurance policy--------------------------------------------------------------------------$240
TOTAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240



RINGS:
2 wedding bands @ $500--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
1 OPTIONAL engagement ring-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000



INCREASED MONTHLY EXPENCES, ABOVE THE MORM:
This is the difference that individual expenses for your future husband has increased above the norm, that is the typical amount in the USA. Not all of these will apply to you, but it might, especially if your future wife does not speak English yet.



12 months – telephone minimum of $100 per month increase-----------------------------------------------------------$1200
12 months – email translation services $130 per month--------------------------------------------------------------------$1440
12 months – telephone translation service. 3 calls per week; 30 min each @ $0.50/min----------------------$4320
12 month – English classes for your fiancé @ $70 per month-----------------------------------------------------------$840
3 months – Introduction driving lessons (without exam) -------------------------------------------------------------------$500
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300


IMMIGRATION:
Fiancé Visa fee to USCIS----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$170
Visa Preparation Service-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500
Documents translated (police certificate, birth certificate, etc)-------------------------------------------------------------$300
Fiancé Visa Interview fees and medical examination--------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
4 occurrences – Emergency FEDEX of documents @ $100----------------------------------------------------------------$400
TOTAL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570



WEDDING and HONEYMOON:
Your future husband will think and plan ahead. He has to plan for expenses of your honeymoon and depending on your tradition (or if his parents still live), he might have to plan money for a wedding too. Here we will not go into detail, but give you price ranges.



1 week honeymoon (flights, accommodation, food money and play money)--------------------------------------$3000+
Destination wedding (Hawaii)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1200-$6000
Wedding on Mainland USA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$10,000+
Wedding dress and outfit---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$500+
Men's Tuxedo rental-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
TOTAL (Honeymoon + dress + Jux [not wedding])---------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600


TOTALS:
Let's add these up. Of cause, we understand that some people will use all these services and have all these expenses, other will not.

Travel-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$9240
Rings-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1000
Increased monthly expenses above the norm----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$8300
Immigration----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1570
Wedding and Honeymoon-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3600

TOTAL INVESTMENT over 12 months----------- ------------------------------------------------------------------$23710



WOW, this is amazing! I truly have never done this math before and it holds true.


SAMPLE AMERICAN BUDGET:

I sat down with a few friends and we brainstormed a budget. Here we can give an indicator to our new wife's the cost of life here in the USA. This budget is based on a home owner in a average nice neighborhood in Texas, owns a average car and has the standard services most Americans have. We did not give him a salary first, but calculated the reality of normal expenses to reflect your everyday USA standard of living.



Mortgage (property tax included)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$1400
Property tax (for some property tax might not be included)----------------------------------------------------------------$350
Home insurance----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
Car payment---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$350
Car insurance--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$80
Food---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$400
Electricity/Natural Gas Average (Texas)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$350
Water and Surge----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Monthly Average: Car maintenance--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Monthly Average: Medical expenses-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$100
Entertainment-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$200
Special Events (birthdays/gifts)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$50
Petroleum / Gasoline---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$120
Clothing (monthly average over the year)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$50
Home maintenance------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$150
Miscellaneous food------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$30
Telephone (before calling international) + Internet + Cable/Sat TV-------------------------------------------------------$120
Mobile Phone---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$70
Hobbies and sports (health club membership)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------$30
TOTAL-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$3570/month

Interestingly, if we take $3570 which is the pay he takes home and add tax to it and calculate an annual income for this fictitious man, we will be earning a yearly income of about $58,000 per year, assuming he is NOT SAVING ANYTHING and is NOT investing in his pension fund. If we add these to variables into the equation, assuming he invests 20% into his pension and saves 10% ($350/month) of his salary, we will be receiving an annual salary of $70,000. This is what most professionals earn about here in the USA. Professionals being sales people, IT professionals, managers, engineers, etc.



According to the Census Bureau here in the US, the median income for an average HOUSEHOLD in the USA is $43,000. HOUSEHOLD, where the man and woman contributes.



HOW DOES ALL OF THIS ADD UP?

So now that you have seen the numbers and might wonder, how will my beloved future husband make all of this happen for us? When you are engaged there is no question that he loves his fiancé with his whole heart and soul. Finding and knowing you have found your soul mate is an extraordinary experience and with love and commitment he will make it happen. He will adapt his life in a million small ways, so that the 2 of you can be together.



It is going to be hard for him, financially, VERY HARD. If we look at our fictitious man, earning $70,000 a year and takes home $3570 a month, that means in one hear he takes home $43,000 a year after tax. He needs to come up with another $23,710 in addition to still pay for his existing expenses also. This is almost 50%.



THE MESSEGE:

Here is the main message! This sample man we looked at is very real. It will represent closely a large percentage of men that want to bring their beloved future wife's from abroad. As a future wife, consider this... Your man needs to come up with an extra 50% more of his annual income, in order to make all of this happen. He will do this by changing his lifestyle, saving here and saving there. He will dip into long term savings. For all of this money, you will be together.



WHAT CAN I AS FUTURE WIFE DO?

Trust and honesty is crucial to any marriage, but in international relationship they develop much faster, or they decay much faster. Here is a few things you as the future wife can do to assist your beloved future husband:



- Show him you respect his money that he works very hard for.
- Understand that there is not an unlimited supply in his bank account.
- Do small things to also help save, since you are both a team now. Maybe write 3 letters a week in stead of 4 (if paying for translation).
- If you "want" something and do not "need" it, delay getting it. Your man needs to use his funds on things that will help the 2 of you get together and things that will be useful to you once you get to the USA. Belly dancing lessons is not one of those (smile).
- TALK to your future husband about what YOU can do to help. He will appreciate it VERY much! Not what you can do financially, but which small things can you do to ease the financial strain.



WHAT CAN I AS FUTURE HUSBAND DO?

Communication is critical and honesty is vital. You are making a huge commitment and telling her authentically what can be done and what can not, is very important.



- Share with her when something is not financially viable and a unproductive use of your money. Now of all times, you need to use your money to get her here and to prepare her for her new life with you.
- Be open and firm when something can not be done. She will appreciate the honesty VERY much and it will create a beautiful sense of closeness as you work thru all of this.
- Do not spend money on something she asks for and your heart does not feel right about it. This experience can be the best thing that happened to you in order to get your financial affairs in order. If you do spend money on something for her, feel right about it, not because you feel obligated.
- Also, by being firm and practical it will help you make sure that she wants your heart and that she has no ulterior motives.
- Talk to her about how much is there and how much is not. Tell her openly about options of doing things and how to pay for all of them. The better she is informed, the better she can help you save up.
- Ask her to help you. No, not financially, but by being your partner and by understanding the magnitude of the financials. Ask her to do what she can so that you as a couple will get thru this. Maybe you call her 3 times a week instead of 4.


I hope you got some insight into the financials that men like us are faced with. Please remember, we do not measure our love for our future wives by our wallets, but in this world we live in it is simply a part of life. Where 2 hearts become one, anything is possible.



I guess thats what one would spend if they do the fiancee visa..
we did the narriage visa. it cost nothing like that. no0pb.gif
PlatyPius
Okay, using his little "template", I worked out mine. Yes, I know I don't make sh1t, so kindly ignore that, eh?


TRAVEL (over 1 year)
3 trips – flights @ $800/each - $2400
2 trips – accommodation @ $0/night - $0
2 trips – daily money for food and play $30/day x 20 days - $600
2 trips – travel insurance @ $30 / insurance policy - $90
TOTAL $3090 (vs. $9240)


RINGS:
1 wedding band @ $400
1 engagement ring-$200
TOTAL - $600 (vs. $1000+)


12 months – telephone $60 per month increase--$720
12 months – email translation services $0 per month--$0 (WhoTF pays this????)
12 months – telephone translation service. 3 calls per week; 30 min each @ $0/min - $0 (Ditto)
12 month – English classes for your fiancé @ $0 per month--$0 (She's BRITISH! It's ME who would benefit from "English" lessons. lol)
3 months – Introduction driving lessons (without exam) -$0 - I have a car. I have a mouth. Sian has a brain. Indiana has country roads.... I reckon she can figure it out.
TOTAL - $720 (vs. $8300)


IMMIGRATION:
Fiancé Visa fee to USCIS - $170
Visa Preparation Service - $0 (Once again, Sian and I have functioning brains...we can fill out papers.)
Documents translated (police certificate, birth certificate, etc) - $0 (Don't need to translate from English to English)
Fiancé Visa Interview fees and medical examination--$200
0 occurrences – Emergency FEDEX of documents @ $0 - $0
TOTAL - $370 (vs.$1570)


0 week honeymoon - $0 (After remodeling 3 rooms of my house, there won't be a honeymoon for a while. Besides...I'm not about to send Jordan (Sian's son) to a sitter as soon as he gets here.)
Wedding on Mainland USA - $200 (includes marriage license, Justice of the Peace, etc.)
Wedding dress and outfit - $0 (Sian doesn't wear dresses. Ever.)
Men's Tuxedo rental - $0 (As IF!)
TOTAL - $200 (vs. $13,600 for Mainland wedding)


TOTALS:

Travel-$3090
Rings-$600
Increased monthly expenses above the norm - $720
Immigration - $370
Wedding and Honeymoon - $200

TOTAL INVESTMENT over 12 months - $4980.00 (vs. $33710.00)


SAMPLE AMERICAN BUDGET:

Mortgage - $0 (I own it. It's paid for.)
Property tax - $100
Home insurance - $75
Car payment - $0 (Will be paid off when she arrives)
Car insurance--$95
Food - $200
Electricity/Natural Gas Average (Indiana) - $300
Water and Sewer - $35
Monthly Average: Car maintenance - $0 ( I would do it all myself, and it's a Toyota...hasn't broken once.)
Monthly Average: Medical expenses - $0
Entertainment - $0 (Walks in the forest are free, as is mountain biking)
Special Events (birthdays/gifts) - $0 (I give nothing, I expect nothing.)
Gasoline - $160
Clothing (monthly average over the year) - $20
Home maintenance - $150
Miscellaneous food - $0 (I've never eaten miscellaneous food...don't think I want to)
Telephone + Internet - $55
Mobile Phone - $200 (includes calls to UK and text messages)
Hobbies and sports - $0
TOTAL - $1335.00/month (vs. $3570.00/month)
Monthly Income (Current Gross) $2426.67/month
Monthly Income (Estimated Net) $1906.67/month

Also: Sian has paid for her flights here. She is also paying for the medical and visa courier fee. I'm paying for remodeling the house, washer and dryer, bedroom set, etc.

babybunny
QUOTE(Cian @ Aug 15 2006, 12:42 PM) *

Okay, using his little "template", I worked out mine. Yes, I know I don't make sh1t, so kindly ignore that, eh?


TRAVEL (over 1 year)
3 trips – flights @ $800/each - $2400
2 trips – accommodation @ $0/night - $0
2 trips – daily money for food and play $30/day x 20 days - $600
2 trips – travel insurance @ $30 / insurance policy - $90
TOTAL $3090 (vs. $9240)


RINGS:
1 wedding band @ $400
1 engagement ring-$200
TOTAL - $600 (vs. $1000+)


12 months – telephone $60 per month increase--$720
12 months – email translation services $0 per month--$0 (WhoTF pays this????)
12 months – telephone translation service. 3 calls per week; 30 min each @ $0/min - $0 (Ditto)
12 month – English classes for your fiancé @ $0 per month--$0 (She's BRITISH! It's ME who would benefit from "English" lessons. lol)
3 months – Introduction driving lessons (without exam) -$0 - I have a car. I have a mouth. Sian has a brain. Indiana has country roads.... I reckon she can figure it out.
TOTAL - $720 (vs. $8300)


IMMIGRATION:
Fiancé Visa fee to USCIS - $170
Visa Preparation Service - $0 (Once again, Sian and I have functioning brains...we can fill out papers.)
Documents translated (police certificate, birth certificate, etc) - $0 (Don't need to translate from English to English)
Fiancé Visa Interview fees and medical examination--$200
0 occurrences – Emergency FEDEX of documents @ $0 - $0
TOTAL - $370 (vs.$1570)


0 week honeymoon - $0 (After remodeling 3 rooms of my house, there won't be a honeymoon for a while. Besides...I'm not about to send Jordan (Sian's son) to a sitter as soon as he gets here.)
Wedding on Mainland USA - $200 (includes marriage license, Justice of the Peace, etc.)
Wedding dress and outfit - $0 (Sian doesn't wear dresses. Ever.)
Men's Tuxedo rental - $0 (As IF!)
TOTAL - $200 (vs. $13,600 for Mainland wedding)


TOTALS:

Travel-$3090
Rings-$600
Increased monthly expenses above the norm - $720
Immigration - $370
Wedding and Honeymoon - $200

TOTAL INVESTMENT over 12 months - $4980.00 (vs. $33710.00)


SAMPLE AMERICAN BUDGET:

Mortgage - $0 (I own it. It's paid for.)
Property tax - $100
Home insurance - $75
Car payment - $0 (Will be paid off when she arrives)
Car insurance--$95
Food - $200
Electricity/Natural Gas Average (Indiana) - $300
Water and Sewer - $35
Monthly Average: Car maintenance - $0 ( I would do it all myself, and it's a Toyota...hasn't broken once.)
Monthly Average: Medical expenses - $0
Entertainment - $0 (Walks in the forest are free, as is mountain biking)
Special Events (birthdays/gifts) - $0 (I give nothing, I expect nothing.)
Gasoline - $160
Clothing (monthly average over the year) - $20
Home maintenance - $150
Miscellaneous food - $0 (I've never eaten miscellaneous food...don't think I want to)
Telephone + Internet - $55
Mobile Phone - $200 (includes calls to UK and text messages)
Hobbies and sports - $0
TOTAL - $1335.00/month (vs. $3570.00/month)
Monthly Income (Current Gross) $2426.67/month
Monthly Income (Estimated Net) $1906.67/month

Also: Sian has paid for her flights here. She is also paying for the medical and visa courier fee. I'm paying for remodeling the house, washer and dryer, bedroom set, etc.




laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif thats funny..
still Marriage visa is cheaper.. whistling.gif
caroledfb
Hi

Thank you for sharing your budget, but it does not apply to everyone as mentioned by other listers.

For example, wedding fees, well in my country it is the bride's dad who pays... So my US fiancé will not have to !

You forgot that once married, your husband will pay LESS tax ! Money is saved...

And last but not least, I will work and add my income to his, so our global income may be much higher !

Besides, it is usually cheaper to live at 2 than alone for food, wahing up, sharing the rent etc...

If we had not met my finacé and I would have travelled anyway...

So what adds really to expenses in our case are the immigration filing and translating... But love has no price!!!

Cheers

Tim and Bethanie
whistling.gif Looks like an invoice for the purchase of a bride. IMO, who gives a crap what you spend?
babybunny
QUOTE(Tim and Bethanie @ Aug 15 2006, 03:57 PM) *

whistling.gif Looks like an invoice for the purchase of a bride. IMO, who gives a crap what you spend?

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dayum IMBRA invoice.. laughing.gif laughing.gif
Emma&Paul
QUOTE
cheeky^Wolf' date='Aug 14 2006, 10:31 PM' post='378182']

I'd be interested to know if this breakdown was included in a translation to your future wife and how she felt about it.


I'm Pretty sure she'll feel the way she's told to feel about his finacial situation and everything else
Emma&Paul
QUOTE
caroledfb' date='Aug 15 2006, 05:13 AM' post='378493']

You forgot that once married, your husband will pay LESS tax ! Money is saved...



Oh god stop laughing.gif ROFLMAO..... you've probably just made his day, im sure if polygamy wasn't against the law (in most states) he'd buy many foreign women and marry them to save money.

Happy Bunny
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Aug 14 2006, 11:11 PM) *

Laundry?? Priceless....


Funniest.post.ever! laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif
TracyTN
I just wanna know who got $500 out of this poor plonker for 'visa preparation'. unsure.gif
Yodrak
Justin,

Not.

- The travel expenses may or may not apply to many of us. Although I met my wife on the internet I had for several years been taking my vacations in her country - meeting her just changed the details of how I spent my vacations.
- My monthly expenses due to long-distance courting did not increase anywhere near as dramatically as indicated. Wise shopping can be applied to these items as well as to the local supermarket or mall.
- The marriage-related expenses are not immigration related - they apply whether one marries a USC or a foreigner.

Yodrak

QUOTE(Justin @ Aug 14 2006, 07:37 PM) *
Fiancé Visa – The Financials Exposed!

....
Canuck Carrie
I guess my husband doesn't love me as much as this guy loves his bride to be, he only 'invested' less than 3g's for me. rolleyes.gif

What a load of bullpucky, is this article supposed to make the foreigner feel guilty or somehow indebted?
john_and_marlene
I spent much more, but not with the same breakdown.
PlatyPius
QUOTE(Canuck Carrie @ Aug 15 2006, 12:04 PM) *
...is this article supposed to make the foreigner feel guilty or somehow indebted?


I think so, yes. However, giving the benefit of the doubt, I'm going to believe that this was a worksheet to show an "entitled" fiance that there just wasn't any way he could send her $1000/month in "Fiance Support".

Otherwise, yes.... looks like a receipt for a purchase. Looking at mine, it seems I got quite the bargain! I'll be sure to tell Sian tonight what a frugal shopper I am, since I "got" her for MUCH less than a Russian bride would have cost. LOL!


Kajikit
I'd like to know in which universe the average income is $70k? We consider ourselves lucky that DH is earning just over forty...
Satellite
Great article? tongue.gif Are you going to flash this in her face every time she thinks of leaving you? Or perhaps you should save it for the family court judge when it comes time to explaining why you should not pay alimony.
rahma
While individual costs do vary, it may be prudent to estimate your costs based on these categories.

I know I sure as heck didn't spend $23,000 for my "foreign groom," since I didn't make nearly that much money until just before he got here, but I'm sure if I added up all the costs throughout our relationship, the amount would be more than I expected.



As per the article in the original post, something about the style of the writing grated me the wrong way. It's an interesting concept though.
Caladan
Good lord. Maybe I should count the computer I purchased for school if we're nickel-and-diming the foreign brides. I mean, I used it to type an e-mail to my boyfriend, so I guess that means I spent $1400 to e-mail him!!!11one!!
I also can't wait to purchase him English lessons, because they speak Canadian up north, eh? wink.gif

The original article seems like it should end 'And if the B*tch ain't grateful present her with an invoice because You Da Man.'
aussiewench
QUOTE(Caladan @ Aug 16 2006, 06:24 AM) *

The original article seems like it should end 'And if the B*tch ain't grateful present her with an invoice because You Da Man.'

It kinda grabbed me that way too. And what of the cost (immeasurable) to the many that give up their homeland, their family and friends, all that is familiar, to be with the one they love in the US. I doubt many throw that in the face of their USC fiance. Why, because it dont matter when all that is wanted is to be with the person they love.
BJZags
I'd like to give the dude the benefit of the doubt. Maybe in a round-about way he was trying to figure out a meaningful way to explain the cost of living in America. I know that as I prepare my info for the I-134 form, the first thing that ocurred to me was also attach a spread-sheet of my normal monthly expenses too, so that she had a way gauging what the figures meant. Some countries are just so much worse-off than America that it is very easy for foreigners to simply assume we all roll in the dough like Bill Gates. I'm just a librarian who doesn't make much money, but I probably earn in 30-minutes of work what my fiancee does in a 60-hr work week. So, if she only looks at the numbers on the I-134 without a frame of reference, who knows what she might think?
samir_shannon
i dont think of my fiance as an investment.
sarah and hicham
QUOTE(john_and_marlene @ Aug 15 2006, 09:17 AM) *

I spent much more, but not with the same breakdown.


More!?!?!
maya62
Well, I didn't vote because I am not a future husband or a foreign bride, but I thought the article was ridiculous. We did everything (except the plane tickets wacko.gif ) for MUCH less. For example, we had our wedding bands handmade on the streets of Kathmandu before our very eyes out of the same piece of SILVER for a few dollars. Much more meaningful to me than running out to whatever chain jewelry store is nearby here in the US. I guess I think if two people want to be together bad enough, they'll find a way and neither one need be wealthy... just creative, determined, and in love!

luv.gif

Maya

PS Sorry if my post is repetitive of someone else's... didn't have time to read the whole thread
Happy Bunny
Here's a few questions I may get flamed for: WHY actively seek love in another country with people who don't speak a common language? And if you can't see the person stood in front of you, and you can't understand each other....how can you feel love? How can you feel a bond with what that person says...Maybe you're in love with the interpreter, lol.

And how, if you need the skills of an interpreter... how does one expect to communicate with the foreign fiance/spouse once she is here?
mawilson
QUOTE(Justin @ Aug 14 2006, 06:07 PM) *

3 trips – flights @ 1400 each---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------$4200

$1,400 flights? Where are these brides, in Australia? laughing.gif

QUOTE(caroledfb @ Aug 15 2006, 05:13 AM) *

You forgot that once married, your husband will pay LESS tax ! Money is saved...

Not necessarily....only if your combined income is less than $150,000 p.a. or so
(which is a given in NYC - I wouldn't even dream of accepting a job here that
pays less than 6 figures.)
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