Vintage
May 29 2008, 02:31 PM
Hello I am wondering if it is posible to fill out the Affadavit of support in a colombian notary?
maviwaro
May 29 2008, 03:19 PM
QUOTE(Vintage @ May 29 2008, 02:31 PM)

Hello I am wondering if it is posible to fill out the Affadavit of support in a colombian notary?
Probably not. The Embassy can notarize for you as part of its consular service to US Citizens but it will cost you a lot more than having it done stateside. Plus, you'd have to go before the interview date.
bigley
May 29 2008, 04:57 PM
Thanks to all wish me luck. Thanks again to ColombianoGringo I agree and do not need anyone to advise on lawyer. Just wanted to make sure the Bogota Embassy says send ds-2100 and part 1 DS-230 for everyone coming. I will email them this in the morning. Please if anyone thinks this is wrong please advise right away. My lawyer wants to wait for the packet 3 and who knows when it will arrive. I have the information from the lawyer and my future wife so I want to send to the embassy this month. Hope I get an interview in July. Please again if anyone thinks i am not emailing the right forms or for sure missing a form tell me today or early friday. I am going off the info on the site and my lawyer has me nervous even though she has actually caused me delays. I know people that have gone through this have more current information. THis site is great and once I am done I will be an educated contributor.
waitman
May 30 2008, 12:08 AM
First, let me offer sincere sympathy and support to Diana and Andres. I can't even imagine how much that must suck. I hope it works out well and, of course, soon.
However, one thing that Diana said and that I found very interesting is that the CO didn't even talk to the beneficiary. That just doesn't sound right-- the interview is about the beneficiary, not the petitioner. The petitioner was "handled" at the previous stage, when NOA2 was issued-- interview is really all about the beneficiary, as far as I know. Could it be that the real reason for the AP is that the CO forgot to talk to the beneficiary? I strongly suspect that a visa cannot be issued without an interview with the person who'll actually be traveling! The legal problem here is almost evident-- it's kind of like having a trial without the accused (sorry for the unfortunate analogy). Just my 2 cents on this one. Obviously, I'm no lawyer, I'm just one of the hundreds of thousands who tries to understand the system and like them may be wrong...
Anyway, I'll be going to Bogota myself for my fiancee's interview. Originally I wasn't planning to but after I read all the horror stories on here, I decided it wouldn't be such a bad idea. Now correct me if I'm wrong: if I've already FEDEX'ed all the proof of relationship and support docs to my fiancee already, the only thing that I need to bring is my US passport, correct? That's right, my plan is to bring me, my American passport and *nothing* else-- is that ok?
Thanks and good luck!
motu
May 30 2008, 01:04 PM
QUOTE(waitman @ May 29 2008, 11:08 PM)

only thing that I need to bring is my US passport, correct? That's right, my plan is to bring me, my American passport and *nothing* else-- is that ok?
Thanks and good luck!
Wrong - Do not forget to bring your credit cards and ATM cards - you are going to need it.

Good Luck
Andres and Diana
May 30 2008, 02:51 PM
QUOTE(waitman @ May 29 2008, 10:08 PM)

However, one thing that Diana said and that I found very interesting is that the CO didn't even talk to the beneficiary. That just doesn't sound right-- the interview is about the beneficiary, not the petitioner. The petitioner was "handled" at the previous stage, when NOA2 was issued-- interview is really all about the beneficiary, as far as I know. Could it be that the real reason for the AP is that the CO forgot to talk to the beneficiary? I strongly suspect that a visa cannot be issued without an interview with the person who'll actually be traveling! The legal problem here is almost evident-- it's kind of like having a trial without the accused (sorry for the unfortunate analogy). Just my 2 cents on this one. Obviously, I'm no lawyer, I'm just one of the hundreds of thousands who tries to understand the system and like them may be wrong...
Trust me...i thought the exact same thing!
But at the time of interview the CO said that it wasn't necessary to speak to the beneficiary because our case was soo solid. She even thanked me for the amount of evidence we had submitted along with the orginization of our case. She said not a single thing was lacking to prove our relationship.
On top of that...after we went back to the embassy the CO apologized profusely and assured that it had nothing to do with our case...once again she stated that our case was solid! She said that it was an internal thing and that they would issue the visa as soon as possible.
So here we are still waiting...I have called DOS 2 times and still no answers...oddly enough they state "its in process" instead of saying its in Administrative Processing. When I question about Administrative Processing they are like "oh yeah...its in AP"

Its been over a week since we got the bad news and Andres hasn't heard anything from the embassy...we are keeping our hopes up and are praying that it wont be like the nightmares we hear about on the AP forum. We have waited 14 years to be together...whats another couple of months right?
Pray for us you guys!!
Diana B
maviwaro
May 31 2008, 06:05 PM
Keep it strong Diana2.
Oyeme, why don't you try getting that "ASAP" and "solid case" comment from the embassy's consul directly? That way if you get to +1 month and decide to do the congressional inquiry you have additional ammunition for your inquiry.
Suerte
ColombianoGringo
Jun 3 2008, 01:45 PM
Nothing to say here. I'm just bumping this thread so it doesn't get buried as it was nearly on page 4.
Andres and Diana
Jun 3 2008, 11:53 PM
QUOTE(maviwaro @ May 31 2008, 04:05 PM)

Keep it strong Diana2.
Oyeme, why don't you try getting that "ASAP" and "solid case" comment from the embassy's consul directly? That way if you get to +1 month and decide to do the congressional inquiry you have additional ammunition for your inquiry.
Suerte
Well according to what I have been reading on the AP forums they state that the congressional inquiry wont actually do much.
At this point I am just resigned to wait. Hopefully we are one of the lucky cases that only had to go through some name checks. The process shouldn't take that long...and I'm praying to God each day that he give me the patience to handle this...
Kind regards,
Diana B
bigley
Jun 5 2008, 05:16 PM
Hi guys after your help we finally got the embassy to confirm they received ds-2100 and ds-230's I guess that is all they need. They confirmed and said we would be scheduled for an interview within 6-8 weeks. Hope that means and interview not just scheduled. What do you think?
Also it took from may 22 to june 5 to get packet 3 do we have to wait that long for packet 4 or can my fiance get it at the embassy?
Mononoke28
Jun 6 2008, 12:58 PM
QUOTE(bigley @ Jun 5 2008, 04:16 PM)

Hi guys after your help we finally got the embassy to confirm they received ds-2100 and ds-230's I guess that is all they need. They confirmed and said we would be scheduled for an interview within 6-8 weeks. Hope that means and interview not just scheduled. What do you think?
Also it took from may 22 to june 5 to get packet 3 do we have to wait that long for packet 4 or can my fiance get it at the embassy?
Since you sent back packet 3 before the 15th of June you
might get an interview for July. If not, then for August. But your fiancée should receive packet 4 in a week or two, if not, she can go to the embassy on Thursdays I believe it is to pick it up. Others can share more on that as I don't remember the specifics right now, or you can go back page by page until you find the info.
Now... I just read a post from a Colombian girl in the Colombian K1 visa thread, who said that the embassy will stop handing out packet 4 even if the beneficiary is picking it up him/herself. They told her that she will be able to get dowload it from their website but I just went to there and I couldn't find any related links. It wouldn't hurt to see if it can be picked up in person. Or she might get it in the mail, you never know.
Diana
ColombianoGringo
Jun 6 2008, 04:57 PM
sohappy2
Jun 7 2008, 07:59 PM
hi everyone...
i'm trying to do some research on specifically colombia things, and i'm trying to search the colombia club forum. when i check the box that says "search this forum only" i seem to be getting hits from other forums. can someone please help me figure out how to search the colombia club forum? i'm trying to get as much information as possible from threads that have already been posted.
thanks much,
traci
ColombianoGringo
Jun 9 2008, 09:37 AM
"Search Forum" will search the entire Foreign Embassy forum. You need to use the "Search Topic" field on the left of the page below the last comment. That will search only Colombia Club.
Good luck,
CG
QUOTE(sohappy2 @ Jun 7 2008, 06:59 PM)

hi everyone...
i'm trying to do some research on specifically colombia things, and i'm trying to search the colombia club forum. when i check the box that says "search this forum only" i seem to be getting hits from other forums. can someone please help me figure out how to search the colombia club forum? i'm trying to get as much information as possible from threads that have already been posted.
thanks much,
traci
Mononoke28
Jun 9 2008, 11:04 AM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 6 2008, 03:57 PM)

Sisas. Well, that's part of packet 4, the only thing missing is the actual interview letter which has the beneficiary's name and address with the date and time of the interview.
Diana
ColombianoGringo
Jun 10 2008, 01:14 PM
Hi all,
We're going through our final check of documents before I head off to Colombia in a few days.
I was curious about the DS-156. The packet 4 instructions say that we have to fill this out, but I can't find a PDF of it on the Bogota embassy site. The only thing listed is the DS-156K for K-1 visas. I looked online, but all I could find was an e-form. Is it OK to use this to fill out and print the DS-156 or is there a PDF that I should use. I think my wife got a copy sent from the embassy, but I would rather fill it out on the computer and print it.
Thanks,
CG
parkpapa
Jun 10 2008, 02:24 PM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 10 2008, 01:14 PM)

Hi all,
We're going through our final check of documents before I head off to Colombia in a few days.
I was curious about the DS-156. The packet 4 instructions say that we have to fill this out, but I can't find a PDF of it on the Bogota embassy site. The only thing listed is the DS-156K for K-1 visas. I looked online, but all I could find was an e-form. Is it OK to use this to fill out and print the DS-156 or is there a PDF that I should use. I think my wife got a copy sent from the embassy, but I would rather fill it out on the computer and print it.
Thanks,
CG
As best I recall (my memory is a dangerous thing, though....haha), we filled out the DS-156 AT the embassy. At the time, we were getting some help from some folks in Bogota and they had overlooked the need for us to have that document. A hand-written copy of this is fine with the embassy. I'm not sure where else you might encounter one if there's none listed on the USCIS site.
waitman
Jun 12 2008, 02:01 AM
Thank you for all your support everyone! We got our visa last week and the arrival to the US is imminent.
Some highlights:
0. My fiancee spent over a year in the US recently, where we actually met. Perhaps that made our burden of proof lighter than that of couples who met on the Internet and spent only a few weeks together.
1. I was afraid that the doctor would force my fiancee to get a dozen vaccinations right there and then, to the detriment of her health. Luckily that didn't happen once my fiancee presented her vaccination record-- she went to the woman (Gonzales?) and they told her to get only 2 shots of which one was actually missing and one, I believe, expired. One of those shots made her arm ache very badly, however.
2. There are two people you have to deal with closely once you get to the US Embassy for the interview. The 1st person is a Colombian who accepts documents and makes sure that everything is in order while the 2nd person is obviously the consular officer. I got the feeling that if anything goes wrong, it's likelier that it's going to go wrong with the Colombian receptionist (not sure if there's a more precise word). The one we got was somewhat unfriendly and took like 5 minutes to look everything over. I really doubt that the person could be appeased if anything wasn't in order (such as a missing form). *SO PLEASE, READ THE EMBASSY INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE ITEM*.
3. The Consular Officer was a woman who was super nice and encouraging. It seemed like everything was decided before we got to the window. She asked my fiancee a couple of questions and then was my turn. The questions were all very basic-- where did you meet, when will you get married, how many times have you met in the last year and where do you work-- all in English. We collected a hefty pile of relationship evidence (photos, phone bills, letters from friends etc) but none of that was needed. And I spent several days on putting that FEDEX together and $140 on sending it!
4. As it follows from above, I went to Bogota in the end. However, originally that was not my plan. I chickened out during the last week before the interview after reading several horror stories here on VJ forum, about South American girls being asked by CO's to come back a few months later with their man. I didn't want to take that chance so I went. As you can read above it was probably unnecessary-- I didn't feel that I played any role in that (yes, they asked me questions but it seemed like that was out of some sort of appreciation as I was one of very few Americans there). However, even though it was expensive, tiring (long flight/connection) and seemingly unnecessary I do not regret that I went one bit. First, we had a very good time together (even though I was there only for a couple of days!) and second I have a strong feeling that by being with my fiancee there I did the right thing, I was where I was really supposed to be that day...Please don't get me wrong here-- I'm not suggesting that American petitioners go or don't go for K-1 interviews, I'm only sharing my personal experience.
5. In retrospect I can say that a lot of anxiety associated with this thing was unwarranted. It really ain't such a big deal-- you pretty much follow the published steps, follow them like a robot, precisely but without thinking too hard or brooding over what may or may not happen. People have been doing this for decades like they have taxes, college applications or any other paperwork, it's just one more bureaucratic adventure that our civilized society imposes on us ...The waiting part sucks the most (especially these last few days before her arrival to the States!) but you are in this because you are in love and love is worth a wait. And remember that in the grand schemes of things a few months don't mean much.
6. (Advice for untraveled Americans only). Please understand that Colombia isn't Kansas but a country with very serious problems, unthinkable even in the most unfortunate parts of the US. You'll probably be surprised how normal Northern/Western/Central Bogota (the parts where you'll probably spend all of your time) looks but don't be deceived-- it's an alien world for you where you are an obvious gringo for anyone within the line of vision. You can be short and dark and even remember some Spanish from your college years but it doesn't matter one bit as Colombians are extremely good and distinguishing even people who come from a different part of their own country, let alone abroad. So make sure your Colombian beneficiary literally babysits you while you're in Colombia, make sure they never let you out of sight, be like a scared little baby hanging on to Mom's hand and do one and only one thing: follow and listen to what you're told, leaving all of your pride several thousands miles North...I'm sure most of you understand the risks but I get the impression that some people think that a trip to Bogota is like a trip to New York. It's for those that this item is intended-- what I am saying is harsh but well intended.
Well, that's it, then! I'm wishing everyone luck in their journey. I'll try to drop in once in a while.
Mononoke28
Jun 12 2008, 10:50 AM
QUOTE(waitman @ Jun 12 2008, 01:01 AM)

2. There are two people you have to deal with closely once you get to the US Embassy for the interview. The 1st person is a Colombian who accepts documents and makes sure that everything is in order while the 2nd person is obviously the consular officer. I got the feeling that if anything goes wrong, it's likelier that it's going to go wrong with the Colombian receptionist (not sure if there's a more precise word). The one we got was somewhat unfriendly and took like 5 minutes to look everything over. I really doubt that the person could be appeased if anything wasn't in order (such as a missing form). *SO PLEASE, READ THE EMBASSY INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE ITEM*.
Person #1 is always unfriendly no matter who you get. I'd like to call her the wicked witch of the embassy. My husband likes to call her @#$%, #$%^&.
Diana
ColombianoGringo
Jun 12 2008, 01:15 PM
Hi all,
I just moved last week and I'm curious about what I need to do about it in reference to the interview next week. I read that I can call NVC and update my address, but do I also have to redo all the forms for the interview? My primary concern is with the DS-230 since my wife already sent in the first part to request the interview. This has my old address on it. Should I just fill out another one and bring it to the embassy? I already sent her a notarized I-134, but I suppose I should redo that one.
Thanks,
CG
ColombianoGringo
Jun 12 2008, 02:31 PM
Another question.
Many people have mentioned printing out emails and chat transcripts. We have literally hundreds of emails which would be a pain to print. Instead, could I simply print out lists of all the emails we sent? This would be like the standard Inbox list in Outlook showing Sender, Recipient, Date/Time, Subject and the first line of the body.
I've also got phone records and chat transcripts, travel receipts, airline boarding passes and at least 50 good pics. Does all this sound like enough?
Thanks,
CG
parkpapa
Jun 12 2008, 03:02 PM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 12 2008, 02:31 PM)

Another question.
Many people have mentioned printing out emails and chat transcripts. We have literally hundreds of emails which would be a pain to print. Instead, could I simply print out lists of all the emails we sent? This would be like the standard Inbox list in Outlook showing Sender, Recipient, Date/Time, Subject and the first line of the body.
I've also got phone records and chat transcripts, travel receipts, airline boarding passes and at least 50 good pics. Does all this sound like enough?
Thanks,
CG
I printed out a handful of "representative" chat transcripts and a few emails for our interview, also. BUT, remember that if these are in Spanish, you would need a translated version, as well. If you don't have time to have that done for you, I wouldn't bother, because the translation cannot be by you or your significant other. We brought along a ton of evidence - photo album, aforementioned transcripts AND relatively expensive translations, all of the things you mentioned and more. In the end, they didn't ask to see anything. As some others have mentioned in here, sometimes it seems as if they made their decision ahead of time, perhaps based on the originally supplied applications (I-129 and/or I-130) since these often contain a good deal of the same information, if they've been prepared fully.
That said, I do think it is still a good idea to bring all that stuff anyway, and have it in hand JUST IN CASE!
One last thing, at the interview, I really think it helps your chances if you give all the appearances of being a couple: hold hands, talk together, don't act nervous or fidgety, etc. Of course, don't go overboard to put on a show. If your relationship is real, let that be the final piece of evidence they need. I have no way of knowing if this matters in the end, but you never know. There are some long wait times at the embassy and perhaps that time is used to scan the crowd for those that "just don't seem like a couple", if you know what I mean.
Best of luck to you, though it sounds like you have all the bases covered.
Charles
Mononoke28
Jun 12 2008, 03:13 PM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 12 2008, 12:15 PM)

Hi all,
I just moved last week and I'm curious about what I need to do about it in reference to the interview next week. I read that I can call NVC and update my address, but do I also have to redo all the forms for the interview? My primary concern is with the DS-230 since my wife already sent in the first part to request the interview. This has my old address on it. Should I just fill out another one and bring it to the embassy? I already sent her a notarized I-134, but I suppose I should redo that one.
Thanks,
CG
I would tell the embassy that your address in the US has changed and bring a new copy of the DS-230 just in case. Also, bring a copy of the I-134 that you already sent the USCIS, that way they will know that it has been updated. Also, make sure she shows this to the POE officer when she arrives just in case the embassy doesn't update her info.
Diana
Mononoke28
Jun 12 2008, 03:20 PM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 12 2008, 01:31 PM)

Another question.
Many people have mentioned printing out emails and chat transcripts. We have literally hundreds of emails which would be a pain to print. Instead, could I simply print out lists of all the emails we sent? This would be like the standard Inbox list in Outlook showing Sender, Recipient, Date/Time, Subject and the first line of the body.
I've also got phone records and chat transcripts, travel receipts, airline boarding passes and at least 50 good pics. Does all this sound like enough?
Thanks,
CG
What I did was I printed out 2 e-mails and 2 chat histories from each month. Since chat histories tend to be so long, I just printed out 1 page from each one, kind of found chunks that would make sense if put on one page. I'm glad I did that too because our CO read every single line of every single document we brought with us that day. So don't understimate the task.
Diana
parkpapa
Jun 12 2008, 03:28 PM
QUOTE(waitman @ Jun 12 2008, 02:01 AM)

4. As it follows from above, I went to Bogota in the end. However, originally that was not my plan. I chickened out during the last week before the interview after reading several horror stories here on VJ forum, about South American girls being asked by CO's to come back a few months later with their man. I didn't want to take that chance so I went. As you can read above it was probably unnecessary-- I didn't feel that I played any role in that (yes, they asked me questions but it seemed like that was out of some sort of appreciation as I was one of very few Americans there). However, even though it was expensive, tiring (long flight/connection) and seemingly unnecessary I do not regret that I went one bit. First, we had a very good time together (even though I was there only for a couple of days!) and second I have a strong feeling that by being with my fiancee there I did the right thing, I was where I was really supposed to be that day...Please don't get me wrong here-- I'm not suggesting that American petitioners go or don't go for K-1 interviews, I'm only sharing my personal experience.
6. (Advice for untraveled Americans only). Please understand that Colombia isn't Kansas but a country with very serious problems, unthinkable even in the most unfortunate parts of the US. You'll probably be surprised how normal Northern/Western/Central Bogota (the parts where you'll probably spend all of your time) looks but don't be deceived-- it's an alien world for you where you are an obvious gringo for anyone within the line of vision. You can be short and dark and even remember some Spanish from your college years but it doesn't matter one bit as Colombians are extremely good and distinguishing even people who come from a different part of their own country, let alone abroad. So make sure your Colombian beneficiary literally babysits you while you're in Colombia, make sure they never let you out of sight, be like a scared little baby hanging on to Mom's hand and do one and only one thing: follow and listen to what you're told, leaving all of your pride several thousands miles North...I'm sure most of you understand the risks but I get the impression that some people think that a trip to Bogota is like a trip to New York. It's for those that this item is intended-- what I am saying is harsh but well intended.
First of all, congratulations on getting the visa!!
I agree with most everything you mention in your post. Our Consular Officer was civil, though I would not say overly friendly. But, since we were approved, his manners don't mean as much to me now.
If I may, I'd like to offer my advice regarding your items 4 and 6. I suspect you are right that there may often be no need for the American partner to go to the interview, but not in all cases. In my own case, for example, because there was a large age difference between my wife and I, I think it was probably an important acknowledgement of our relationship that I was there with her. Did it really make a difference in whether or not she got the visa? I'll never know for sure, but my strong feeling is that approval was much less likely without me there. I think each couple should consider the need for this very carefully, based on the facts as well as the "appearance" of their relationship.
As for the (relative) safety of Bogotá, there is no doubt that the typical gringo sticks out like a sore thumb. This is true anywhere in Colombia, though it is getting better as more and more tourists venture there. Possibly part of it is because most Americans they have seen in the past were from the US military. But, my personal experience in three visits to Colombia is similar to yours, except while leaving my Yankee pride and swagger at home, I would be careful to not allow myself to look like a cupcake, either. Stand straight, try to look self assured (even if you are not), trust your Colombian partner, and have fun.
Perhaps a better analogy for Bogotá is Detroit or LA. There are parts of town that are reasonably safe (take sensible precautions with your money and valuables) and there are some parts that you would be a fool to go into (like the south end of the city). However, don´t let caution spoil your trip there. There are lots of fun places to go and see, such as the Salt Cathedral and Monserrate for culture buffs. Don´t let the site of soldiers and police, in groups of two to six, carrying automatic weapons scare you out of having a good time. If you want to be scared, talk to local residents about what it was like in the city back when Pablo Escobar was bombing 100 public and government buildings. Colombia still has a ways to go, that is true, but it is nothing like it was. Those soldiers and police are a big part of the reason Bogotá is as safe as it is.
Charles
Mononoke28
Jun 12 2008, 03:30 PM
Just as an FYI for people who've had their petitions approved, even though this thread is like a ghost town nowdays.
As per a few people who posted in the Colombian K1 thread, the US embassy in Bogotá is no longer handing out packet 4 at the embassy, even if the beneficiary him/herself is picking it up. According to them, the doctors, the lab, the bank and the embassy itself will no longer ask you for it and will process your stuff without it. If need be, you can try to download a page from their embassy with your case # on it. It sounds kind of dumb because I've checked out their site a few times this week and can't seem to find anything regarding this new info, plus anybody can just print a case # down to "prove" they have an interview with the embassy. But oh well, their rules, not mine.
So anyway, recap, packet 4 can no longer be picked up at the embassy in person.
Diana
ColombianoGringo
Jun 12 2008, 04:17 PM
Charles, Are your sure it is really necessary to have those chat transcripts and emails translated? The embassy appointment instructions specifically state "Translations are NOT required for documents written in Spanish or English." (caps in original) I don't see why they would want correspondence translated when they don't require it for official documents.
Diana, I guess I will print out some of the actual emails in addition to the lists just to be safe.
Thanks to both of you,
CG
parkpapa
Jun 12 2008, 04:21 PM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 12 2008, 04:17 PM)

Charles, Are your sure it is really necessary to have those chat transcripts and emails translated? The embassy appointment instructions specifically state "Translations are NOT required for documents written in Spanish or English." (caps in original) I don't see why they would want correspondence translated when they don't require it for official documents.
Diana, I guess I will print out some of the actual emails in addition to the lists just to be safe.
Thanks to both of you,
CG
Ah! Well, if that's what they say now, that's what I'd go with. Our interview was over a year ago and I know some things have changed in how they handle the process. Sorry if I gave out "out of date" information. It's really difficult to stay current with the things you're not in the middle of.
Ken y Onelis
Jun 12 2008, 05:18 PM
QUOTE(waitman @ Jun 12 2008, 12:01 AM)

6. (Advice for untraveled Americans only). Please understand that Colombia isn't Kansas but a country with very serious problems, unthinkable even in the most unfortunate parts of the US.
I recently rented 'City of Men' and 'Cocaine Cowboys', and these films were spot-on with regard to the issues affecting everyday people in Colombia (and many other parts of South America). My fiancee's father has told me things to be aware of when visiting Bogota. I also get altitude sickness fairly regularly, so I'm planning to acclimate to the altitude 1 or 2 days before the interview (hopefully in the not too distant future). Otherwise, that '1st Person' at the US Embassy might be wearing my breakfast.
maviwaro
Jun 13 2008, 08:46 AM
QUOTE(Ken y Onelis @ Jun 12 2008, 05:18 PM)

QUOTE(waitman @ Jun 12 2008, 12:01 AM)

6. (Advice for untraveled Americans only). Please understand that Colombia isn't Kansas but a country with very serious problems, unthinkable even in the most unfortunate parts of the US.
I recently rented 'City of Men' and 'Cocaine Cowboys', and these films were spot-on with regard to the issues affecting everyday people in Colombia (and many other parts of South America). My fiancee's father has told me things to be aware of when visiting Bogota. I also get altitude sickness fairly regularly, so I'm planning to acclimate to the altitude 1 or 2 days before the interview (hopefully in the not too distant future). Otherwise, that '1st Person' at the US Embassy might be wearing my breakfast.

If you can, get on an aspirin regimen a few days pre-trip. Take it low dose while there, avoid alcohol, and walk evenly to increase circulation to your brain.
Some people swear by Ginko Biloba memory pills since its supposed to increase brain circulation... but I would advise against it in males if you're planning on having kids soon. Something about decreased fertility in guys.
Mononoke28
Jun 13 2008, 10:46 AM
QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 12 2008, 03:17 PM)

Charles, Are your sure it is really necessary to have those chat transcripts and emails translated? The embassy appointment instructions specifically state "Translations are NOT required for documents written in Spanish or English." (caps in original) I don't see why they would want correspondence translated when they don't require it for official documents.
Diana, I guess I will print out some of the actual emails in addition to the lists just to be safe.
Thanks to both of you,
CG
CG,
The only things that need to be translated when going to the embassy are any documents that are in French, Italian, Chinese or any other language not in English or Spanish. All of our e-mails, chats, letters and other documents were all in Spanish and we didn't have any problems since the people at the embassy are fluent in both languages. And by this I mean the COs, not too sure about the witches at the first windows though.
Diana
buck501
Jun 13 2008, 03:49 PM
QUOTE(Mononoke28 @ Jun 13 2008, 10:46 AM)

QUOTE(ColombianoGringo @ Jun 12 2008, 03:17 PM)

Charles, Are your sure it is really necessary to have those chat transcripts and emails translated? The embassy appointment instructions specifically state "Translations are NOT required for documents written in Spanish or English." (caps in original) I don't see why they would want correspondence translated when they don't require it for official documents.
Diana, I guess I will print out some of the actual emails in addition to the lists just to be safe.
Thanks to both of you,
CG
CG,
The only things that need to be translated when going to the embassy are any documents that are in French, Italian, Chinese or any other language not in English or Spanish. All of our e-mails, chats, letters and other documents were all in Spanish and we didn't have any problems since the people at the embassy are fluent in both languages. And by this I mean the COs, not too sure about the witches at the first windows though.
DianaAll of our eviedence was in English. No problem. The witch, and I do mean W-I-T-C-H at the first window did not asked for any of the evidence stuff. Only the requiered docs for the visa. I do not think they have the power to deny your interview. It may be possible if you are lacking many of the docs. We were missing one doc that got us turned down by the CO. The witch told us we were missing it, acting as though we were completly stupid, threw all the papers back at us and told us to go the interview windows where we were asked for the missing doc. We got that and no problem, got the visa.
SteveSandyHill
Jun 14 2008, 04:20 PM
CG,
You will do fine. I stressed tremendously over the interview as well, was over prepared. The information provided here in this forum by those who have lived the experiance is priceless. Good luck!
parkpapa
Jun 17 2008, 09:57 PM
Posting to move us back up closer to the head of the line.
However..... Where is everybody??? I know nobody can afford a summer vacation.
maviwaro
Jun 17 2008, 10:33 PM
QUOTE(parkpapa @ Jun 17 2008, 09:57 PM)

Posting to move us back up closer to the head of the line.
However..... Where is everybody??? I know nobody can afford a summer vacation.

Can't afford not to go on vacation... thank Heaven my boss is so good to me.
Yes... where are all of our new Club Colombia applicants?
Ken y Onelis
Jun 17 2008, 11:26 PM
QUOTE(maviwaro @ Jun 17 2008, 08:33 PM)

QUOTE(parkpapa @ Jun 17 2008, 09:57 PM)

Posting to move us back up closer to the head of the line.
However..... Where is everybody??? I know nobody can afford a summer vacation.

Can't afford not to go on vacation... thank Heaven my boss is so good to me.
Yes... where are all of our new Club Colombia applicants?
I'm lurking, got my ears on.
Ken y Onelis
Jun 18 2008, 12:37 AM
I gotta situation to share. My fiancee's phone has been not in service for the past 2 weeks. No email, either. She is receiving paperwork from Bogota in the next week or two, so, coordinating things will be less than perfect. Her phone has been disconnected before - thanks to family money issues and sometimes phone lines getting knocked out. Any suggestions besides just dropping in on her and the familia??
maviwaro
Jun 18 2008, 07:45 AM
QUOTE(Ken y Onelis @ Jun 18 2008, 12:37 AM)

I gotta situation to share. My fiancee's phone has been not in service for the past 2 weeks. No email, either. She is receiving paperwork from Bogota in the next week or two, so, coordinating things will be less than perfect. Her phone has been disconnected before - thanks to family money issues and sometimes phone lines getting knocked out. Any suggestions besides just dropping in on her and the familia??
Cyber café brother... Make sure no unpleasant surprises arise by dropping in on the folks... even though it shouldn't be unexpected at this stage of the game and might even be welcomed as a nice surprise.
parkpapa
Jun 18 2008, 11:24 AM
QUOTE(Ken y Onelis @ Jun 18 2008, 12:37 AM)

I gotta situation to share. My fiancee's phone has been not in service for the past 2 weeks. No email, either. She is receiving paperwork from Bogota in the next week or two, so, coordinating things will be less than perfect. Her phone has been disconnected before - thanks to family money issues and sometimes phone lines getting knocked out. Any suggestions besides just dropping in on her and the familia??
Even if the bills are paid, phone service in Colombia can be an iffy thing (though cell phones seem to work most of the time). Mavi's right about the internet cafe idea. Unless things have changed drastically, the rates are incredibly low and the cafes are very common. The only trick is that you'll need to establish some predetermined times to get together online.
My wife is in Colombia right now. She went there unannounced. All the family was thrilled, of course, but her mom about had a coronary.

Unannounced visits may be fine for Colombians going back for a visit, but I'd advise against it for a gringo. Always best to have a trusted friend or family member meet you at the airport, etc.
One of my trips to Colombia, my wife and her friend were late getting to the airport to pick me up. EVERYONE had pretty much cleared out from my flight, though there were lots of cabbies and "others" around willing to "help". I got lucky, though. There was a middle-aged, cleancut Colombiano in a suit - by his actions and manner either plain clothes airport security or police - who noticed me and saw I was still searching for wife. He didn't offer to take me anywhere (first clue he was okay) but he did offer to let me use his cell phone to call my wife. Just as I was putting in her phone number, she showed up. The moral of the story, if there is one, is that not everyone in Colombia is trying to "get you".

BUT, just like being in any strange place, the safest assumption is that everyone IS trying to "get you", until they prove otherwise.
Best of luck, Ken.
Charles
LASPENCE
Jun 18 2008, 12:48 PM
QUOTE(parkpapa @ Jun 18 2008, 12:24 PM)

QUOTE(Ken y Onelis @ Jun 18 2008, 12:37 AM)

I gotta situation to share. My fiancee's phone has been not in service for the past 2 weeks. No email, either. She is receiving paperwork from Bogota in the next week or two, so, coordinating things will be less than perfect. Her phone has been disconnected before - thanks to family money issues and sometimes phone lines getting knocked out. Any suggestions besides just dropping in on her and the familia??
Even if the bills are paid, phone service in Colombia can be an iffy thing (though cell phones seem to work most of the time). Mavi's right about the internet cafe idea. Unless things have changed drastically, the rates are incredibly low and the cafes are very common. The only trick is that you'll need to establish some predetermined times to get together online.
My wife is in Colombia right now. She went there unannounced. All the family was thrilled, of course, but her mom about had a coronary.

Unannounced visits may be fine for Colombians going back for a visit, but I'd advise against it for a gringo. Always best to have a trusted friend or family member meet you at the airport, etc.
One of my trips to Colombia, my wife and her friend were late getting to the airport to pick me up. EVERYONE had pretty much cleared out from my flight, though there were lots of cabbies and "others" around willing to "help". I got lucky, though. There was a middle-aged, cleancut Colombiano in a suit - by his actions and manner either plain clothes airport security or police - who noticed me and saw I was still searching for wife. He didn't offer to take me anywhere (first clue he was okay) but he did offer to let me use his cell phone to call my wife. Just as I was putting in her phone number, she showed up. The moral of the story, if there is one, is that not everyone in Colombia is trying to "get you".

BUT, just like being in any strange place, the safest assumption is that everyone IS trying to "get you", until they prove otherwise.
Best of luck, Ken.
Charles
[font="Book Antiqua"][/font] hey i had that same problem my wife live in fusa 3 hours away from bogota she was a hour late because of work, i arrieve in bogota at 10 pm she didn't show up until 11 this was my first trip i wasn't never scare a little hurry being in a strange country where my spanish was not great but i kept my kool always had my cell phone in my hand witch didn't work to stranger they thought i had a good conversation going on smiling sometime laughing just to keep them at bay, their was a few that though they could intercept the conversation but i knew soon i would have to use someone phone to find out where my wife were ask i spoke to a couple amgios they were more interesting in taking me to a near hotel or giving me a ride in their cab one amigo even told me she wasn't coming i never believe him but in the back of mind strange things can happen on your first trip finally i met someone who got in touch with my wife she told the amigo that she was 10 min away 10 min pass no wife finally another amigo walk to me and kindly let me us his phone to call my wife again come to find out this last amigo was my wife cousin who speak no english but work for the airport i didn't know that they were related until i seen this beautiful tall colombia woman running towards me i was hoping that this wasn't a dream for me to see a muy lindo woman heading towards my way calling out papi si i mean si my wife she told me that the amigo was her cousin out of all the people at the airport i met a family member who i never knew , so always be cool under pressure, from laspence
jimmy477
Jun 18 2008, 08:00 PM
I have read in this thread mention of a letter referred to as a "Declaracion Juramental" which has been used at the visa interview to resolve issues with missing or inaccurate baptism certificates. Does anyone have a copy of this and would s/he be so kind as to send me a copy?
Also, in filling out the DS-156, my fiance is adamant that her passport number is the perforated sequence along the edge of all the pages, not the number listed as "passport number" on the biographical page. She says the embassy told her this during the B-2 process in he past. I find this very strange. What have people here been successfully entering as the passport number on the DS-156?
maviwaro
Jun 19 2008, 07:39 AM
QUOTE(jimmy477 @ Jun 18 2008, 08:00 PM)

I have read in this thread mention of a letter referred to as a "Declaracion Juramental" which has been used at the visa interview to resolve issues with missing or inaccurate baptism certificates. Does anyone have a copy of this and would s/he be so kind as to send me a copy?
Also, in filling out the DS-156, my fiance is adamant that her passport number is the perforated sequence along the edge of all the pages, not the number listed as "passport number" on the biographical page. She says the embassy told her this during the B-2 process in he past. I find this very strange. What have people here been successfully entering as the passport number on the DS-156?
Hey Jimmy-
1. The Declaración is like a notarized affidavit.
2. Not sure on the Passport Number thing. Used to be the # de cédula but that was a long time ago. Whatever the embassy wants, they can perhaps point to as accurate when need be. They do have a tendency to call a beneficiary if something like that arises that conflicts with reality. Even of their own advice- and try to stick to what they actually say.
parkpapa
Jun 19 2008, 09:29 PM
Not sure where else to start looking for this information, so I'll ask here.
This is only remotely an immigration question, I guess, but bear with me. My lovely wife is interested in going to school to become a nurse here in the US. The problem (one of several, but the pertinent one here) is that even LPN schools here are fairly costly and that would be a year and a half to four years where she would not be making money.....only spending it on schooling. While I'm all in favor of her going to school to better herself and her earning power, that is simply not something we can afford right now.
Lorena proposed an alternative idea, though. Seems there are nursing schools in Colombia that, according to her friends, she could go to for free or nearly free, and have a nursing degree in under a year. Even assuming that is accurate information, my question is whether or not such a degree or license would even be valid or recognized in the US. Anyone have any ideas on this? Or know a place I can do some research? Any ideas would be welcome.
Charles
LUISH
Jun 20 2008, 09:08 AM
Hi to everyone and my best wishes for the ones that are close to their interview dates, I'm an old member, but i'm back again, for the aame reason than before, searching for help and advice, well, my situation is the following: Me and my faince went thru all the waiting, the getting ready for the interview,etc, she got her visa and eventually came here to live with me (iI live in Florida), well, then the unexpected happened, her grandmother got very sick and my girl, could not sleep thinking that her grandma could die, so we did not get marry and she went back, ias a result she lost her visa, well now we are getting ready to start the process again, and I want to kow if anyone has gone thru this, what I mean is if there is anything that I should be aware of, she did not over stay here, i'm filing the paper work for the same woman, and everything is the same , the only diference is that I 'm doing it for the second time, I read somewhere here in one of the main pages, that If a person had file before for a visa , that person should filled a waiver or something, and that's what has me confused, I want to do everything correct, and do not want to extend the waiting period, so if anyone has an idea about this situation or can provide with some advise, i 'll really appreciated, thanks in advance...........................LUISH
maviwaro
Jun 20 2008, 10:30 AM
QUOTE(parkpapa @ Jun 19 2008, 09:29 PM)

Not sure where else to start looking for this information, so I'll ask here.
This is only remotely an immigration question, I guess, but bear with me. My lovely wife is interested in going to school to become a nurse here in the US. The problem (one of several, but the pertinent one here) is that even LPN schools here are fairly costly and that would be a year and a half to four years where she would not be making money.....only spending it on schooling. While I'm all in favor of her going to school to better herself and her earning power, that is simply not something we can afford right now.
Lorena proposed an alternative idea, though. Seems there are nursing schools in Colombia that, according to her friends, she could go to for free or nearly free, and have a nursing degree in under a year. Even assuming that is accurate information, my question is whether or not such a degree or license would even be valid or recognized in the US. Anyone have any ideas on this? Or know a place I can do some research? Any ideas would be welcome.
Charles
Hey buddy
I strongly recommend against that!
The credentials may transfer over. Its a matter of family unity and of course, travel costs in an uncertain market. Plus it MAY look strange for immigration purposes.
However, I do encourage you guys to think about gunning for it here... remember that nursing will ALWAYS be in demand and there are some places that give signing bonuses that wipe out nearly half of tuition debts. Some hospitals also have loan repayment programs. What I would do is try talking with people already in the profession.
Also, did you know you can apply for Federal Student Aid? This may qualify you for smaller-interest loans and some grants. Another creative idea is for employer-assisted tuition reimbursement. Try checking if there are university hospitals in your area where she could try for a job to defray the costs of her degree/certificate program... and that in the long run helps her with job prospects in the field upon graduation.
Mária is looking at a 1.5 year Masters degree in Human Resources Development at a public university here that would costs us a relatively low chunk of change compared to larger universities. Its food for thought that will have a big payoff since she already has a few endorsements on her BS in Psych degree from home.
QUOTE(LUISH @ Jun 20 2008, 09:08 AM)

Hi to everyone and my best wishes for the ones that are close to their interview dates, I'm an old member, but i'm back again, for the aame reason than before, searching for help and advice, well, my situation is the following: Me and my faince went thru all the waiting, the getting ready for the interview,etc, she got her visa and eventually came here to live with me (iI live in Florida), well, then the unexpected happened, her grandmother got very sick and my girl, could not sleep thinking that her grandma could die, so we did not get marry and she went back, ias a result she lost her visa, well now we are getting ready to start the process again, and I want to kow if anyone has gone thru this, what I mean is if there is anything that I should be aware of, she did not over stay here, i'm filing the paper work for the same woman, and everything is the same , the only diference is that I 'm doing it for the second time, I read somewhere here in one of the main pages, that If a person had file before for a visa , that person should filled a waiver or something, and that's what has me confused, I want to do everything correct, and do not want to extend the waiting period, so if anyone has an idea about this situation or can provide with some advise, i 'll really appreciated, thanks in advance...........................LUISH
I heard it won't take you as long and that there is a waiver you can request but not sure where to request it. Good luck and sorry to hear about the circumstances!
parkpapa
Jun 20 2008, 11:00 AM
QUOTE(maviwaro @ Jun 20 2008, 10:30 AM)

Hey buddy
I strongly recommend against that!
The credentials may transfer over. Its a matter of family unity and of course, travel costs in an uncertain market. Plus it MAY look strange for immigration purposes.
However, I do encourage you guys to think about gunning for it here... remember that nursing will ALWAYS be in demand and there are some places that give signing bonuses that wipe out nearly half of tuition debts. Some hospitals also have loan repayment programs. What I would do is try talking with people already in the profession.
Also, did you know you can apply for Federal Student Aid? This may qualify you for smaller-interest loans and some grants. Another creative idea is for employer-assisted tuition reimbursement. Try checking if there are university hospitals in your area where she could try for a job to defray the costs of her degree/certificate program... and that in the long run helps her with job prospects in the field upon graduation.
Mária is looking at a 1.5 year Masters degree in Human Resources Development at a public university here that would costs us a relatively low chunk of change compared to larger universities. Its food for thought that will have a big payoff since she already has a few endorsements on her BS in Psych degree from home.
Thanks, my friend. That was kind of my thinking, as well. Especially on the "family unity" aspect. I was able to do a little research last night on this and found that RNs are in high demand and that there are several hospitals that will even sponsor a nurse to come to the states. However, that is for an RN. LPNs are a different matter. Not only are they less in demand, though they do essentially the same work, but around here they are paid very poorly (under $15 per hour for the most part).
Lorena changes her mind frequently on this whole career thing, so she may do so again.

But I sure appreciate the feedback and support.
WyoDusty
Jun 20 2008, 11:43 AM
My wife has her CR1 interview on July 15th. She has yet to receive her Packet 4 from rthe embassy in Bogota but I FedEx'd her the package that was sent to me. Now all our documents have been submitted to the NVC and I am assuming shipped to the embassy in Bogota. The only documents that she will have with her when she gors is the DAS letter, her medical information, the Interview letter, and all our evidence. I told her I would fly down to go to the Interview but she said her friends said it wasn't necessary so I am not going. When she gets in the first line where everyone says the "Witch" asks for the documents, is she going to need anything besides the above mentioned documents. The CO should have all the other documents I am assuming.
Dennis
maviwaro
Jun 20 2008, 12:36 PM
QUOTE(parkpapa @ Jun 20 2008, 11:00 AM)

QUOTE(maviwaro @ Jun 20 2008, 10:30 AM)

Hey buddy
I strongly recommend against that!
The credentials may transfer over. Its a matter of family unity and of course, travel costs in an uncertain market. Plus it MAY look strange for immigration purposes.
However, I do encourage you guys to think about gunning for it here... remember that nursing will ALWAYS be in demand and there are some places that give signing bonuses that wipe out nearly half of tuition debts. Some hospitals also have loan repayment programs. What I would do is try talking with people already in the profession.
Also, did you know you can apply for Federal Student Aid? This may qualify you for smaller-interest loans and some grants. Another creative idea is for employer-assisted tuition reimbursement. Try checking if there are university hospitals in your area where she could try for a job to defray the costs of her degree/certificate program... and that in the long run helps her with job prospects in the field upon graduation.
Mária is looking at a 1.5 year Masters degree in Human Resources Development at a public university here that would costs us a relatively low chunk of change compared to larger universities. Its food for thought that will have a big payoff since she already has a few endorsements on her BS in Psych degree from home.
Thanks, my friend. That was kind of my thinking, as well. Especially on the "family unity" aspect. I was able to do a little research last night on this and found that RNs are in high demand and that there are several hospitals that will even sponsor a nurse to come to the states. However, that is for an RN. LPNs are a different matter. Not only are they less in demand, though they do essentially the same work, but around here they are paid very poorly (under $15 per hour for the most part).
Lorena changes her mind frequently on this whole career thing, so she may do so again.

But I sure appreciate the feedback and support.
Hm... I think if she got herself involved in a serious RN program she'd probably want to stick it out til the end... with support and encouragement from the family, so much can be accomplished.
ColombianoGringo
Jun 20 2008, 04:40 PM
Hi all,
We´re still in Bogota, but I just wanted to drop in and report that we went to my wife´s K-3 interview yesterday and she was approved. We were there from 6:30 am until 1:30pm, but everything went well and the staff at the consulate was very helpful and nice.
I will write a full report next week when I´m back in the states.
Good luck to all that have upcoming interviews and thanks to all those that have helped so much throughout the process.
Peace,
CG
parkpapa
Jun 20 2008, 06:01 PM
Congratulations, CG!!!!!!!!! See you soon on the AOS page. ;-)
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