I think Buck just needs what I spoke of before, triple and quadruple reassurance. I remember when I wasnt sure either.

Maybe so.....but it is frustrating when you give answers over and over again, but people still want to hear it again. When I went through this, I relied on the guy who started this thread - Pete. That's it. No one else to rely on. I did just fine. Like I continue to say....find someone who's been through it and listen to him/her...period....no need to keep asking the same questions.

One of the biggest problem I've seen on the visajourney board (and this has nothing to do with Buck) in general is that some people are given clear instructions, but somehow fail to read what is written. I seen situations where folks have laid out an answer to question in a very logical and understandable way, only to have the person who posted the original quesiton parrot back something that was totally different than what was said - I've had that happen.....talk about frustrating. Maybe if I was a lawyer charging $250/hour, I would be happy about it.

Yeah sometimes it is frustrating. However I like "giving back" to the community sort of speak. Since you Mike have helped me and greatfull for that and many others. I feel like it is my responsibility to help others out as well. Kind of like a circle of life sort of thing. I'll be going back to square 1 once I start AOS.

Mike, Luchco, Monoke. You have all been a big help and I thank you. You do not have to feel obligated to answear a question if you feel it has been covered many times over. There is a lot of conflicting and "grey" area post's on this forum. For someone who is going thru this it can be difficult to seperate the meat from the bones.
I have taken 3 spanish classes since meeting Paola in March of 2006. I am getting better, but can not read it fluently.
Luchco is correct, I do want to make 100% sure we are doing everything correctly.
I hired a lawyer because I am self employed, this is our busy season and I am working 14 to 16 hour days 6 to 7 days a week. I knew that comming into this. Time is limited for me to do a lot of research. When I do, I tend to be in a hurry. So I hired the lawyer. They have been a help, but when it gets to this point, they do not have the answears. In hind sight, not sure it was or is the smartest thing to do. For me the money is not an issue, I can afford it with no problem.
You do not have to read to many post's on this forum to see what happens when you leave something out or make a mistake.
The Pkt 3 we recieved is not like the one on the embassy site. It did not contain the DS230 form. It had a cover page with a hand scribbled case number on it, 3 pages of instructions and the OF-169 on the last page. Not in one place anywhere does it even have the address where to send the forms!!!!!!!!!!!!! On top of that is does not say what to return and what is for the interview. That is the reason I ask the questions.
I do sincerly love Poala, I want her here with me. Another reason to ask the questions.
I have never given any advice on this forum because I do not feel quailfied to do so. All of you are further along in the process and can give account of your experience.
What I hope to do is after Paola is here with me in the US, post a message that expalins oue experience in detail from beginning to clearing the POE. What I submitted and when, what challenges we faced and what we did to overcome them.
No less and no more.
Last, if you tell ten different peiople the same thing, those ten people will all hear something different. That is just human nature.

Buck, I can echo most of your concerns about trying to be certain. Of course, nothing in life is absolutely certain - except that government bureaucracies are frustrating and inane. I can also tell you that the Colombia Club, for all it's faults, is still better at giving and correcting information that most of the other threads I've checked out here. Lorena might still be in Colombia if not for the good advice of others here. I've tried to give back here also, but also try to indicate uncertainty if I have any in the answers I give. My personal preference is to point people to the "source" whenever possible, rather than relay potentially inaccurate information.

Right now, all I "need" is clear help with the AOS process, and that seems much more difficult to come by than the initial visa process.

Interesting discussion folks, really.

In my honest opinion, one can only digest so much per 100 pages that are posted in any given forum. Luckily, at this point we haven't hit 80... yet-

Packet instructions don't tend to leave THAT much room for interpretation. Just stick to the basics, then surpass them a little with evidence only where it says so. Cover letters are not required but definitely recommended to get points across. Be mindful of using good, clear language. Lawyers in my honest opinion, are not necessary for any of this process unless one has a complicated immigration case ahead of them.

One should try to relax a little before jumping to conclusions... lets all remember that while we are all here to help each other out, and even though the answers to a great many repeated questions are a few pages away or less, there is a certain mass-mentality that can effect us all and this tends to opaque a lot of the answers out there.

Buck, working a lot of hours a day is something to contemplate, and even though I am no marriage counselor by any means, think about your new wife with you in the states and the amount of time you dedicate to her in that kind of situation. Hopefully if you must work so much, take her along if its an option. But thats a bit far in the process... for the time being, most of the paperwork can be completed in less than an hour with a clear, relaxed mind.

HOla como estan todos... les digo que me toca traducirles todo con google

Imaginense que ya nos aprobaron la NOA2!!!

Bueno toy mas tranquila, pero una pregunta me surge y es la siguiente: En qué página se yo, cuando la aprobación llega a la NVC, sale de la NVC y llega al Consulado de Bogota?

Agradezco sus respuestas

Besos.

Saludos Nydia y felicidades.

Su novio puede llamar directamente al NVC. El numero debe estar en el NOA2

A partir de eso son solo un par de días si no ocurren contratiempos en el procesamiento allá en NVC. Si quiere puede seguir traduciendo en estos foros con Google para averiguar el método de "rastrear" por fecha que le dicen en el NVC en la página de DHL. Es asunto ligero pero le aseguro que ya las cosas irán más rapidoski.

Nydia,

La petición sólo está de pasada por el NVC. Se demora entre 2-4 semanas en llegar de California, pero luego ellos le dan un # de caso y de una la mandan a la embajada. Hay que estar pilas con eso porque una vez que la embajada receibe el caso, le empiezan a mandar los papeles del paquete #3. Lucho es el que va por la visa K-1 con la novia, entonces él le puede ayudar con el proceso una vez su caso llegue a la embajada.

Diana

I say we all PM Mike whenever we have a question and fill his inbox with stuff. I'm sure he'll looooove that, huh Mike?

Nydia, felicidades!

Con el respeto, recomiendo que usted use un mejor programa de traducción en el Internet. El que que uso está basado en el software de traductor IM. Un sitio que usa este es http: // translation.paralink.com / *

No es perfecto, pero es a menudo mejor que Google o Babelfish.

Charlie

"Wuau" Charlie... muy buen tu español, jejeje...

A todos muchas gracias de verdad, su ayuda ha sido de gran bendición para mi. Y Charlie voy a seguir tu consejo.

Ahora solo me queda es esperar un poco mas, y recolectar información, aunque yo tengo eso ya casi listo, nada mas me queda es que mi amor me envie el acta de divorcio.

Yo espero que todo nos salga bien confiando en Dios primeramente, y gracias a sus consejos también. Este foro es una gran ayuda para todos aquellos que somos primiparos en esto.

Un beso a todos y ya les contaré como me va.

Nydiasam.

Buenos días Nydia...

Igual como andas en Bucaramanga puedes ir a Girón a la Basilica Menor. Créeme que pasamos cada vez que ando por tus tierras pues precisamente gracias son las que damos. De paso se compran de esas paletas de helado que son una pura delicia que venden a pasos de la Basilica.

En fín de evidencia recuerda precabirte más que renunciarte a la suerte de las estadísticas negativas: lleva más evidencia de la que te puedan pedir por si acaso. Altamente recomiendo que hables con tu novio para que el personalmente asista a la entrevista contigo. Pero antes asegúrate enviar el fax a la embajada (tranquila, o esperas el correo o lo mandas un par de días luego de confirmación de envio del NVC a Bogotá) con cualquier Packet 3 que te pasen en estos foros tanto como puedes descargar de la página de la embajada. Juega las fechas... recuerda que Bogotá procesa citas de entrevista a partir del 15, digamos, de cada mes. Si se pasan del 15, la cita no le sale el siguiente mes sino el que le sigue.

Suerte

Gracias Waviaro lo tendre en cuenta, bueno y disculpen tanta pregunta

Es que... leo en las instrucciones del paquete 3, que el certificado de nacimiento y la partida de bautismo (una declaracion juramentada con mi mama y mi hermana mayor), son de enero de este año. Habra algun problema por eso? Por la fecha? tengo que sacarlos de nuevo?

Mil gracias por su colaboracion.

Nydiasam.

I just want to add that I've had no problems with the paper work by following all the discussions here. We are ready for our interview with everything completed and medical scheduled. My question to anyone is ... we will have to miss our scheduled interview, has someone been through this before and what is the embassy's reaction?? I plan on sending a fax to the embassy explaining the situation and hope for a reschedule. Marcela's grandmother who is 80+ is sick. She is leaving to her grandmother's pueblo today.

Of course, each office seems to do things a little differently. However, my wife's AOS interview was supposed to be June 28. However, she is in Colombia as her mother was supposed to have major surgery. I wrote the field office (per instructions of the USCIS 800 number) to request the change of appointment date. I sent the first letter in April and then another follow up in May. No response. So I decided to attend the appointment myself, just to make sure that it would be re-scheduled. One hour drive each way....just to hear the guy tell me that he got our nice letters and will re-schedule. Of course, he did not say when. So, based on that, I suspect they WILL re-schedule you....the question is how long you will have to wait.

Good luck. Glad you were able to follow everything on the thread. I always thought it was doable. But some seem to disagree. Depends on the person and the level of organization, I guess.

Mike

Yikes, will this haven any effects at the embassy in Bogota?? Read the link

http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwspc186.shtml

Doubt it. Same old, same old in Colombia. Last year when I was there, the U.S. embassy was advising gringos to stay away from malls and places like Zona Rosa at one point. They later rescinded the warning. Don't worry about it.

better to use common sense anywhere

Yeah, i'm not sweating it, but of course like mavi said common sense and a watchful eye.

Well bros/sis i'm out of here. I'll be flying out in a few hours. I'll let all of you know how everything goes.

Good luck lucho, but you won't need it anyway.

Thanks, i'm here at LAX bored out of my mind. I dont board for another 2 hours. I will be posting report on Tuesday about the lab and medical exam experience.

Steve, George...where are you guys???

Yeah, I remember being bored stiff during a LAX layover to Sydney LOL. Anyway,good luck but I know you won't need it.

lucho hermano, espero que tuviste un buen viaje a barranquilla, por lo menos el vuelo a bogota no sera tan largo y aburrido. vamos a llegar a bogota el mismo dia de tu entrevista, asi que estoy seguro que nos van a dar las buenas noticias esa tarde cuando hablemos, te estare llamando. me imagino que van a ir al lab y medico en estos dias, por favor cuando tengan tiempo, manteganos informado de como les fue. suerte con todito
cuidate y saludos a tu esposita
steve

Lesson to be learned....never get too comfortable with the process.....never assume....be on your toes and anticipate what could happen and how you'll deal with it (at the interview or otherwise). For you newbies, look back at posts by Dre (Oskaryandrea). She did just about everything right. Should have had no problems....but did. She's still fighting the fight. Never get over-confident...no matter how much research you've done or how strong you believe your case. Be prepared.....and hope for good luck too.

Mike is right... yet if one follows all instructions properly, gets near-expert advice (here), and does things with a clear mind, there is nothing short of a denial that a CO can do to reject a legitimate application. We went to our interview with such a clear conscience and the CO obviously told us our case was much more than convincing. Leave discomfort outside the Embassy complex but Mike is right- do not leave your brain outside as well.

Best of luck, lucho. Stay calm, stay focused, and be prepared..... and you'll do fine.

Good luck Luchitooooooooooooooooo!!!

Good luck lucho! My best advice is to relax and be confident in your answers.

Kathy

Buena suerte Lucho!

Lucho, I wish you the very best. Mike's right....and I'm the voice of experience on this one...you can never be too prepared. The night before our interview we 'talked' about going over some of the potential questions and we decided to go to the movies and later a LONG walk instead.....because, of course, we knew EVERYTHING about each other and we didn't need to review. At about noon on the day of our last interview, we regreted that decision. Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo..dice mi mama!!!!

Guys and gals....I NEED YOUR INPUT ON THIS....I'm copying from another post... Maybe those of you with late July interviews are thinking of this too...

Has anyone in this group gone through the K3 (spouse/fiance visa) process successfully and then moved on with the CR-1/IR-1 INSTEAD of the AOS route? I'm trying to find a way around this price increase ($450 to $1010) for AOS. My husband's interview is July 23 and he cannot travel until after August 1st when the increase goes into effect. Our I-130 arrived at NVC in May and we were issued a case number June 13th. NVC responded to my email inquiry yesterday saying that the Fee Bill has been generated and mailed to us, so theirs a good chance I can get it back to NVC prior to the price increase on July 30th (by the way, does anyone know if the FEE BILL for the I-130 is being impacted by the price increases, I couldn't find anything on the ICIS site that talks about CR-1/IR-1 being impacted). Anyway, I think that moving forward with the CR-1/IR-1 process may be the best alternative for us to avoid the spike for AOS. If and when my husband is issued his K3 visa, he can just stay in Colombia and wait for the next process. If anyone has any thoughts on this please share.

Thanks,

Very interesting. I have not heard of this since the process changed last fall. As I am sure you remember, those pursuing the K-3 used to have the option of pursuing the IR-1/CR-1 after receiving the K-3 visa and coming to the U.S. Of course, if the beneficiary was already in the U.S., that would mean he/she would have to fly back to Bogota for the IR-1/CR-1 interview. With the change in process last fall, that option was supposedly eliminated....the I-130 was held at the NVC under the assumption that the K-3 visa holder would adjust status once in the U.S.

I am surprised you got this option. Maybe this has to do with your initial trouble....someone at the NVC noted that a K-3 visa had not been issued....so your husband was moved into the IR-1/CR-1 process. Very interesting.

Here is my opinion. You've already gone through the K-3 process....as painful as it was. It appears as if you are on the verge of getting approval....and getting your husband here in August. If it were me, I would pay the extra $600 books and forget the IR-1/CR-1. Keep in mind that you do not have to adjust status right away if money is an issue. The K-3 visa is good for, I believe (don't have my stuff in front of me), two years. So you have time to adjust his status. He can still work right away by filing for EAD....if that's what you and he want to do.

I really don't know if the cost of the IR-1/CR-1 fee bill is going to go up. I imagine it would. Seems like everything is going up. The primary issue to me is time....how much longer will you have to wait if you change processes? How will the embassy view you and your husband if you miss/cancel your K-3 appointment? Will you end up going through the same painful process again? All for $600? I know it's a lot of money, especially since you have kids.....but I think in this case it might be worth the extra investment.

Mike

Dre,

If I were you, I would keep going with the CR1 to see how far I could get with it, especially since you already filed the I-824 to have it processed. I'm sure that if your husband is given the K3 visa instead and you already paid the $70 for the AOS beforehand, they will take that amount of the $1010 that you would have to pay when he gets here. If not, I would fight for that.

Like I said, I would keep going with it until his interview to see what happens. If you still have to file for AOS when he gets here, I'm sure you will find a way to pay the high costs of it somehow. The important thing is that you'll be together and the whole visa nightmare will be behind you.

Diana

Hello Andrea

I'm glad to see things are moving forward for you. I have quietly followed your case over the past 6 months or so. I told my wife about your situation and she always asks how things are going. I wish you luck and justice...finally.


TonyS

Great input. I though about it some more last night and I'm still on the fence about the whole thing...and YES MONEY IS A BIG ISSUE. Since our denial in February I've spent $900 on lawyers, $200 to move the I-130 to NVC via the I-864, and another $2,000 on my last trip..and of course, a week later I had to spring another $500 for yet another plane ticket to Bogota and that's not counting all the money Oscar has spent there!!! Soooooo here's my though process:

1. We HAVE to interview on the K3 in July, there's NO OPTION to cancel the appointment. Otherwise, we have to wait for the Intent to Revoke letter and ANSWER the consul's initial concers from interviews 1 and 2 and that is a 12-18 month process, a step that they have allowed us to bypass by issuing a 3rd interview.

2. If Oscar gets the visa on July 23rd, he could wait in Colombia for the IR1/CR1 interview and change his status in Colombia. I think that using the shortcuts, he could have an interview in about 2 months, which will put us into September. I've seen other people in this forum do that, only difference being that most traveled to the US on their K3 and then RETURNED to Colombia for the IR1/CR1 interview. This could potentially save us the $600 and Oscar could start working immediately instead of having to sit around the for 3 months waiting for the approved EAD.

3. That takes me to my next question. MIKE...you mentioned that the K3 is valid 2 years and that Oscar can work immediatly after he files for the EAD? Will the Social Security Admn issue him number based on his K3 and application? That is REALLY my main concern. This has cost us both a large sum of money and when he arrives, he would like to begin working as soon as possible. (and I really need the help at this point!!). If this is so, than we can forget about the IR1 process and just do the AOS when he arrives (or as soon as we save up the money).

Thank you to everyone for your input, which as always is invaluable. And thank you for your well wishes also. We'll need all the positive vibes for this next go-round!!

I hope I'm not making you all work too hard on your holiday!

Happy 4th to All...God Bless America.

Dre

Hola para todos!! Bueno ya estoy juntando mis papelitos, les escribi al NVC y miren lo que me respondieron:

Dear Madam,

Your inquiry has been received at the National Visa Center (NVC). The NVC has
completed its processing of the visa petition you mentioned in your letter and
has forwarded the petition to the assigned US Embassy for further processing.

Any further inquiries should be directed to the assigned US Embassy.
Case Number: BGT*************
Beneficiary's Name: SERRANO VARGAS,NYDIA
Preference Category: K1
Your Priority Date: 06Mar2007
Foreign State Chargeability: COLOMBIA
U.S. Embassy/Consulate: EMBAJADA DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS, VISA UNIT
CALLE 22D-BIS #47-51, AA 3831
BOGOTA
COLOMBIA

Bueno, lo que hice fue lo siguiente: Llame al NVC y me dicen que el numero de caso no se encuentra registrado o no ha llegado al nvc ummm que pasaria?

Mañana llamare un representante para salir de dudas.

Sam y Nidia,

En este foro hay una indicacion escrita por PeterMiami que esplica como hacer el tracking de tus papeles a la embajada. Si llamas a NVC y no encuentras la informacion de acuerdo con esta carta, entonces utilizes el BGT# y llames a Bogota directamente (el telefono esta en la pagina de la embajada aqui mismo en VJ) y pregunteles a ellos si la han recibido. Te sugiero que les hables en ingles y que les informes de una que eres ciudadano americano y que llamas de estados unidos....Si el caso de tu novia se la asigno el BGT# debe estar o en NVC or en Bogota. Si la respuesta que indicas aqui te la dio el sistema automatizado, seguro de una de dos cosas pasaron, entraste el numero mal o la maquina se equivoco. Mejor hable con un humano...marcando primero el 1 para ingles o el 2 para espanol...y despues 5 para hablar con una representativa.

Buena suerte!!!


Dre

Thanks to all the wishes of support. We had our lab & medical exam yesterday. We picked up the results today and everything was fine. One odd thing was that the DS156 was not asked for by Dra. Gonzales. We later called once we realized this and were told things at the consulate have changed as of 2 weeks ago. And that both DS156 were to be turned in together at the interview, apart from the medical exam envelope. I will be writing an extensive report on everything after we get approved tomorrow, God willing. Thanks to all once again.....and Bogota is tooooooooooo coldddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!

veeeery interesting.

Dude, have fun in Bogotá!

Hello to all -

Is the Certificados de Policia the same as the as the "Pasado Judicial"?
Is there a fee in getting the "carta de entradas y salidas"? We will get this from DAS right?

Hola Chester....

Pues si, Lucho me ayudo mucho sacandome de esa duda, y el pasado judicial es el mismo certificado judicial o de policia. No tienes que sacar "certificados de buena vecindad" como lo han hecho muchas chicas aconsejadas por otras personas de otros paises. En el caso de Colombia, solo se expide un solo certificado judicial (libreta verde) si la persona esta limpia de antecedentes. Si ella ha vivido en otros paises por mas de seis meses, pues tambien tendría que presentar el certificado de policia de todas las ciudades donde haya vivido en ese país.

Y que casualidad, hoy acabo de recibir despues de 5 semanas mi certificado migratorio (Carta de entradas y salidas de Colombia). La informacion para sacar este registro la puedes obtener en esta direccion http://www.das.gov.co/ en la parte donde dice SEDES, ahi encuentras el telefono y la direccion donde se debe ir personalmente (tu prometida) a solicitar ese documento. Este enlace te dice los documentos que ella tiene que presentar: http://www.gobiernoenlinea.gov.co/tramite.aspx?traID=1715 . Este certificado si tu prometida lo solicita en una ciudad que no sea Bogotá, pues le demora de 4 a 5 semanas en llegarle. Si se solicita directamente en Bogotá, tu prometida lo podrá obtener en máximo 4 días laborales.

Y te comento, cuando te entregan ese certificado te enfatizan en no abrirlo, porque entonces perdería su validez. Te lo entregan en un sobre sellado, y asi mismo se tiene que presentar al consul. Este documento tiene caducidad a los tres meses de la fecha de expedición.

Espero haberte servido en algo, y pues ahi se va aprendiendo poco a poco para colaborarle a las personas que lo necesitan.

Un abrazo para ambos,

Fiance went to have Registros Civil De Nacimiento for her and the children translated and certified in Bogota. (Which by the way was 1/10 the price and 1/7 the time quoted in Cucuta.) She was told that the dates (I assume las fechas de inscripcion) of the registros were too old (2004 & 2006) and she must get new ones. Which I think means a trip back to Cucuta to get updated registros. So my bright idea of telling her to wait until she moved to Bogota to have the documents translated has back fired.

Does this sound right? Do registros expire? Is there a way to renew one without travelling back to the place where it was issued?

I can't seem to grasp the Colombian system. There does not seem to be such a thing as an orignal birth certificate. There is only el registro which is created by the notaria and eventually becomes out of date.

What happens when she gets to the states and needs a birth certificate? Will a registro be accepted as a birth certificate and will it periodically need to be renewed? If someone moves from one end of Colombia to the other do they need to return to where they were born every few years to get an updated registro? That sounds crazy to me.

What is the latest on the need to submit the beneficiary's birth certificate with the I-129F? Required, not required or might be required? If I submit the I-129F without the beneficiary's birth certificate and it turns out they require it, will I lose any more time than the 3 weeks or so it is going to take to get the new registro from Cucuta and back to me in the US?

Thanks!

As far as I know, the instructions in the I-129f do not require a beneficiary's birth certificate. That's pretty much the latest.

A civil registry of birth should also be good for the life of the paper and ink on the registry. You're only born once. Maybe some more information as to why they told her she'd have to get a new one?



Bravo Nydia. Ya le pasamos la batuta de ayuda forística a Ud. Saludos.

Willie

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Today is the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to hear the good news.

Maviwaro,

Thanks for the reply.

As to why the translator wants new registros, as I stated they said the dates were too old and they want them dated in 2007. That is all the information I have.

I agree that the I-129F instructions do not request the beneficiary's birth certificate. But I also think that I have seen multiple posts that stated that some applicants received an RFE and were asked to provide the document.

So, I am trying to determine if I should submit the I-129F now and risk the RFE or wait until we have an updated & translated registro to submit with the application. To me it comes down to how much time is lost when an RFE is issued. If it is only a couple of weeks, I think I should submit the application without the beneficiary's birth certificate and risk the RFE.

Thanks again.

Sounds silly to me, Kurios. A translator is not a US Gov't official and is not authorized to make such demands.

RFE requests on an I-129f revolve around the petitioner's role in providing clear evidence of the relationship to make a judgement more straightforward. I did not include my fiancee's birth certificate in the I-129f packet and have not heard of that happening in any RFE situation for anyone else here. The certificate, in Spanish, is needed for the US Embassy for the interview itself. No translation needed for that at all.

What you will need a translation of said document, as well as anything you plan on using as evidence, is for the Adjustment of Status process once you get married. And again, no translator can make that kind of demand for a translation- it seems to me that all you have to do is remind the translator that you can always use someone else's services for a similar price. This is Colombia after all.

Approved!!! Easy as 1, 2, 3. I'll post details later, however the order is slightly different than anexo B.

Let me be the first to say...

"OOOOOHHHH YEAH!"

Congrats lucho. See you in the AOS forum jejeej.

EEEHHHHHHH FELICIDADES!!!

QUE ALEGRIA CUANDO ALGUIEN OBTIENE LO QUE QUIERE Y AHORA VAN A ESTAR JUNTITOS!! FELICIDADES LUCHOOO.

Y A WAVIARO, JAJAJA GRACIAS POR LA BATUTA!! ME ENCANTA INVESTIGAR Y AYUDAR A LA GENTE, PERO ES QUE ME LIMITO POR EL IDIOMA Y SOLO PUEDO RESPONDER EN ESPAÑOL..

Yes, the Pasado Judicial is the police report. And yes you get the carta de entradas y salidas from DAS. The cost should be in the neighborhood of 30,000 to 32,000 pesos ($15 to $16).