Here's a news report that mentions IMBRA:

http://video.wjla.com/wjla/candidate0725.wmv

Where did they get the statistics of 30% to 50% of immigrant brides being abused? Irresponsible reporting and a horrible spin. Now doubt if true, is horrible but to spout statistics as such is irresponsible.

I don't want to see anyone violated or abused and agree that immigrant brides should be helped and educated of our laws.

Wait... let me pop the popcorn...

first class chopfcuk

You know when you see a report and the reporter says "some are saying this or that". Who exactly is some? And where does some get their statistics? 30% to 50% are abused? Which is it 30% or 50%? I don't buy it. Certainly foreign brides get abused just as USC brides get abused. I still haven't seen any proof that foreign brides have a higher instance of abuse. Irresponsible propaganda even if this guy is guilty, looks like "some" have already presumed his guilt.

Not only that, but there is a likely chance that many of these brides come from countries where the abuse rate is much higher. I want to see the hard facts...but no one is publishing those. May not fit the agenda.

WTF?


This is propaganda, in a big way.

Add the fact there only has to be a CLAIM of abuse (i.e. no actual evidence, unlike the bruises mentioned in this story)....

I think IMBRA will only increase the CLAIMS of abuse since it also informs the non-USC how to circumvent the law by using such claims.



edit:
I know this is not the "expected" effect of IMBRA, however does a person driving through a GREEN light "expect" someone to run a RED light?

It's so wonderful that we are still dealing with the agenda posters after all us petitioners have been through. Please get a life and move on. We are dealing with the USCIS right now ok?

Not only is the report slanted but the op is helping to distribute it. Very disturbing.

Now that IMBRA has passed, it is time for us all to move on and focus on the future challenges to our country. As I pondered the issues that nay be relevant, I came up with the ones listed below for cause seekers to follow:

Pet rocks! A legacy of the seventies that has largely been forgotten and ignored. Who will take care of all the rocks that were cast aside a week after they were lovingly adopted by hopeful families. I know who can do it!

Fishooks! They are so pointy and nasty, those little fishies may get hurt. There is also a theoretical 50% possiblilty a human may get hurt touching one. (My figures are just a guess based on my own evidence) Seriously, I have been hooked at least a couple of times.

HMMMMMMMMM, oh styrofoam. It is so great at insulating yet so harmful to the environment. I think it would be wise to devote many governmental resources to a broad based study on the long term environmental effects of styrofoam. HMMMM, wait a second, that won't work, we need that money for things the majority of the public is dealing with like health care, the deficit, social security, cost of housing, employment and that blasted war.

Hopefully my list will help out, now that IMBRA is a done deal there is no reason to debate about it.

So..... all these guys on VisaJourney..... Me, Robert, Dean, Steven, all the others.....half of us are going to beat the crap out of our fiancees once they get here? Or does this only apply to "mail-order" brides? I can't really say, as I didn't watch the video. 1) I'm on dial-up 2) The OP is a chopfcuk, and anything it posts is sure to be nothing but propagandic drivel.

Here we go again!

how much postage is a mail order bride anyways?

$42.36 if you can get her in one of the small boxes.....

I'm wondering about a few things in the video. Let's see if I can remember them...in no way am I saying that these accusations aren't true, just speculation.

First, at the end, it says she's a legal resident, so these claims have no effect on her status. Isn't this bull? We've seen here on VJ a number of times where the immigrant makes false accusations against their spouse so they can fall under the Violence against women act and get a permenant permenant green card even if they divorce. If she's been married since 18 and is 19 now, she only has a conditional green card.



Also, looking through his website, it doesn't seem like she was the typical mail order bride - http://www.dickersonforsenate.com/aboutdavid2.htm

It looks like he worked in the Baltic region quite a bit, so it shouldn't be suprising that he has a wife from there. A very young wife yes, but not someone picked off an internet meat catalogue.

" My wife is an immigrant, a legal permanent resident, from the Republic of Latvia in the European Union where she emigrated from the Ukraine at ten years of age with her parents. She believes that all immigrants need a voice to be heard by our Congress and U.S. Senate to better understand the life of an immigrant. She prefers to be considered a “Marylander” or “Maryland Inhabitant” instead of being categorized as European, legal permanent resident or non-citizen."


http://www.dickersonforsenate.com/immigration.htm

So I take it we ignor Imbra2005 now because previously the true colors were shown and I missed it?

I was "busy" so as to let these propogandists get bored and leave. I hope they don't come back. It's all a bunch of coch and bull.

You mean I should have been beating my wife all this time!!!

I knew I was forgetting to do something!!!

I always love to hear the term "mail-order" brides. I've never seen one come through the mail before? Are the boxes they use comfy? I had to bring my wife here on a plane, in her very own seat. Didn't have her mailed here!!!

Senator huh...Boy would I love to see his timeline

he called himself to get his case expedited

ROFLMAO How long do you think he waited for a response?

As I said in the OTHER thread on this same topic being spamed about by IMBRA2005:

My concern is that the CLAIMS of abuse (true or false) will skyrocket since IMBRA requires the non-USC be told EXACTLY how to circumvent the immigration laws using claims of abuse! (fraudulent or not)

I do not want to sound too much like a Nay-sayer, but I searched and found 3 cases of ACTUAL abuse and 8 case where the claims were merely alleged...of course once the claim is made, the USC can do NOTHING to prove that they were ONLY alleged! 1 of those 8 cases involved a mildly retard guy who lost a home and probably the hope of finding true happiness since she took all his "financial security" from him in her FALSE claims!

Right on IMBRA...that's what I call job security (for the TJC, anyway)!

He is a candidate for the U.S. Senate, not a Senator. Anyone can pay the filing fee and run, so he's no one special.

I don't know why so many people are trashing the OP. If you think the news story is biased somehow, you should take it out on ABC News, not the person who posted the link to the story. It's not like the spammers that actually write letters to the editors about IMBRA and then come over here and say, "hey! look what I wrote!" or worse, pretend, that they just "found" a story that they wrote themselves.

And to the posters who think that there are only 3 or 8 or whatever cases of immigrant abuse, how do you explain the tens of thousands of petitions filed by battered spouses that I read about on other threads....

Take another look at his site. Hit the Immigration link to the left. It states his wife immigrated with her family at the age of 10. I guess it would be reasonable to expect she has legal residency since she has been here 9 freaking years. But they still chose to call her a "mail order bride"! Sad.




Can you please post a link to that thread on the tens of thousands of battered spouses?

My wife is an immigrant, a legal permanent resident, from the Republic of Latvia in the European Union where she emigrated from the Ukraine at ten years of age with her parents.

that to me means she went from the ukraine to latvia at the age of 10..........

Ahh gotcha. Mind block I guess, didn't think anyone tried to immigrate anywhere but here. LOL!

Here's the main reason I did. We have been dealing with IMBRA agenda people for a few months now while the majority of us are actually dealing with the petition process. The op shows a major lack of sensitivity to actual petitioners. Dealing with the USCIS is bad enough at this point, it's very frustrating and aggravating to see someone post something that implies some of us ( maybe even 50%) will be violent towards our future spouses. I'm under the impression that the main purpose of VJ is to aid people in the immigration process, not a place to push agendas. That is what off topic is for and that is why this thread was actually moved here. It has no relevance whatsoever to people dealing with the petition process at this point because IMBRA is law now.

Can you please give specific examples of "the tens of thousands of petitions filed by battered spouses that I read about on other threads...."

Can you tell me why you are upset, the other extremist trolls on the other side are gone now ok?

You're right, you don't. You would have to have been here longer than a few days to have that knowledge. Imbra2005 is a Pro-IMBRA troll.



Nowhere did anyone say that there are only "3 or 8" cases of abuse. The poster said that they searched and found 3 cases of actual abuse and 8 cases of alleged abuse. They did not say that these were the only ones ever to exist, just that those were the only ones they found by doing a search.

Tens of thousands huh? Wow!!! You've beed doing a lot of reading!! Please post the links so we can get right on it and catch up with you. You must be a pro IMBRA fan huh?

I'm thinking someone might want to compare IP addresses with Imbra2005.....

Either that, or its one of his good buddies!!!

I like how the advocate for IMBRA in the video. Stated that 30% to 50% of the immigrant women are abused. And then she stated that while some marriages to foreigners work out fine--MANY end up in abusive relationships or even death. Even at her high estimate 50% is not MANY--its Equal even in the worse case senario. And at 30% it would mean that MOST marriages work out fine--SOME end up in bad straits.

These statements remind me of the statements I have heard from foreign women about "friends" they have, who have used American or European men to get out of a dismal country. Many of them knowing they can act crazy or in some cases just abandon the American (BHoliday for example). But those statements while interesting are just as factual as saying well many end in abusive relationships--or 30% to 50% are abused.

Anyway this guy is a Democrat so wouldn't go to say that he would be more likely to drink, beat his wife, treat her like crap, etc. I mean that is just as a valid statement given statics and stories I have heard about relationships with Democrats and women, some of which have ended in Death. Maybe the IMBRA law should ask what your political party affiliation is prior to granting a visa.

DRIVE BY TROLL ALERT!!!!!

Just watched the online video version of the news story on the ABC 7 website. The lady in the interview is spewing pure propaganda and misleading information. Its unbelievable and makes me angry.

Obviously an attempt to spread untruths in support of IMBRA law or to make people like us who have foreign spouses look like "wife beaters."

Just my opinion, but news stories like this create a terrible public stereotype towards men like me with a foreign spouse and do influence public opionion in the wrong way.

People believe everything they see on TV. Its hard to know if the wife is taking advantage of the domestic violence protections or if that guy Dickerson is really an evil guy.

I read in the ABC 7 discussion forum about this story that the lady in the interview "chases" stories like this around the country. She did the same thing on the Fox news O'reilly factor show. Obviously an agenda.

Stink'n, smelly troll...

Hmm wonder if THAT is IMBRA2005!

For any one interested, here is the follow up story to the post. Turns out the charges were dropped.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/pol...local-headlines

very good find
an extract of the link

An investigation revealed the allegations were unsubstantiated, attorneys on both sides said. The charges were dismissed during a preliminary hearing.

"The allegations against Dr. Dickerson were fabricated by his wife for her own motives," said Craig Kadish, Dickerson's lawyer. "He's had to deal with having his picture in the newspaper and on TV as some kind of oddball who locked his wife in the house and starved her and beat her and raped her, which of course is completely untrue."

wonder what the imbra people are saying now?

I suspect that tv station (local one for me) that aired the piece on the original post may have an agenda. They really play dirty politics around the DC area.

Apparently, all charges against David Dickerson has now been dropped as the allegations against him were found to be UNSUBSTANTIATED. Another link: http://www.wmdt.com/wires/displaystory.asp?id=52692590 Tahirih Justice Center (TJC) must be embarassed about ranting on TV about more abuse of immigrant women when now, evidence clearly shows this was yet another false allegation of abuse. I really wonder how many more of these TJC's so-called "mail-order bride" abuses are really just false claims of abuse or rape. Obviously, OP was a lame attempt at propagenda. ................................................................................
....... By the way, the Dickerson case is yet another example of this national epidemic of people claiming false allegations of abuse/rape against each other. Clearly, we need to raise national awareness about this largely hidden epidemic and come up with ways to combat this problem. A good start would be to implement severe penalties for false accusers.

Sorry, the situation you describe is not a "national epidemic" according to the definition offered by Merriam-Webster. It appears that you are exagerrating somewhat here.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/epidemic
1 : affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time <typhoid was epidemic>

Maybe you "feel the need to raise national awareness about this largely hidden epidemic" but I can't see how an epidemic can be hidden if it affects so many people. Personally, I agree that it is horrible for anyone to be falsely accused of any crime whatsoever.

May I ask you what kind of severe penalty for false accusations would you suggest in this particular case?

I don't want to get into a debate about the incidence of false allegations of rape and abuse, but here are some references that may be helpful. I will let you decide. http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/edi...05roberts.html; http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html; http://www.hisside.com/3_21_04.htm; http://www.ncfm.org/FACT1.HTM By the way, Tahirih Justice Center(TJC) looked foolish ranting on TV (see OP) about more abuse of immigrant women on this case which is clearly based on false allegations of rape and abuse. People now have to question TJC's credibility. I still wonder many more of these TJC's so-called "mail-order bride" abuses are really just false claims of abuse or rape.

If you didn't want to get into a debate why did you bring it up? Propaganda goes both ways. Can you back up your previous statement that there is a "national epidemic of people claiming false allegations of abuse/rape against each other"? I read the last link you sent and according to the way I interpreted it there is no "national epidemic".

From the article:
"Estimates on the prevalence of rape vary wildly. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, there were 102,560 reported rapes or attempted rapes in 1990. The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates that 130,000 women were victims of rape in 1990. A Harris poll sets the figure at 380,000 rapes or sexual assaults for 1993. According to a study by the National Victims Center, there were 683,000 completed forcible rapes in 1990. The Justice Department says that 8 percent of all American women will be victims of rape or attempted rape in their lifetime. The radical feminist legal scholar Catherine McKinnon, however, claims that "by conservative definition [rape] happens to almost half of all women at least once in their lives." Clearly, independent studies on the incidence and prevalence of rape are badly needed.(13) "

Also, that last link comes from a 1994 article from the "Journal of Men's Perspectives" which could be interpreted as biased. There could be a myriad of reasons why different levels of rape were reported to all of these entities at the same time period, it does not necessarily mean the rapes were fabricated by the victims. By the way, to other previous links are not working for me. If you are so p777sed of at this TJC why don't you complain to them? I'm not happy about the delays due to the inefficient implementation of IMBRA either but I'm not philosophically against the new law.

Can you give me some examples of "severe penalties for false accusers?" Will these severe penalties apply to everyone guilty of making false accusations in any crime? Or will they just apply to false accusers of rape?