Ok. one question.
You can NEVER know whats going to happen here in Puerto-Rico,....you got the 51st state, the territory,...and the "independistas"..(independance party).
Now my question is this.....say i naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around...and a few years later it goes independant.....where would my citizenship stand???...would i be a U.S.C.....or a citizen of "Puerto Rico"??...although i'd naturalized in Puerto Rico whilst it was still under the U.S.??
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independant, BUT USED to BE under the U.S.....what happens to people born in that time while under the U.S. but now its independant??? did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenship and become citizens of the new country? or would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of it going independant held their U.S. citizenship?
Im a little confused on this topic....diddie mermaid, Yodrak.....mdyoung....meauxna. what you think? and everyone else of course!
Are there not more Puerto Ricans in New York than in Puerto Rico.
Well I guess you never know, but not something I would worry about. I would hazard a guess that you would have the advantage of being a naturalised US Citizen, not a US Puerto Rican by birth Citizen.
Just think of the complications....
Logically anybody who did not qualify for Puerto Rican Citizenship, logically by birth or immediate family, would need a Visa!
Will not happen.
Well I guess you never know, but not something I would worry about. I would hazard a guess that you would have the advantage of being a naturalised US Citizen, not a US Puerto Rican by birth Citizen.
Just think of the complications....
Logically anybody who did not qualify for Puerto Rican Citizenship, logically by birth or immediate family, would need a Visa!
Will not happen.
yeah but at any time of it becomming independant, couldnt they not revoke it??
I wouldn't worry about PR voting to be independent. The last vote was split between statehood and continued commonwealth status, with independence receiving about 3% of the vote if i remember correctly.
Aussielad,
If you are granted US citizenship it will be by the government of the USA, not by the government of Puerto Rico.
Should Puerto Rico go independent your status in Puerto Rico will depend on the laws the government of the newly independent Puerto Rico passes dealing with US citizens who are resident in Puerto Rico.
Yodrak
If you are granted US citizenship it will be by the government of the USA, not by the government of Puerto Rico.
Should Puerto Rico go independent your status in Puerto Rico will depend on the laws the government of the newly independent Puerto Rico passes dealing with US citizens who are resident in Puerto Rico.
Yodrak
QUOTE(Aussielad @ Jul 18 2006, 06:00 PM) 
Ok. one question.
You can NEVER know whats going to happen here in Puerto-Rico,....you got the 51st state, the territory,...and the "independistas"..(independance party).
Now my question is this.....say i naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around...and a few years later it goes independant.....where would my citizenship stand???...would i be a U.S.C.....or a citizen of "Puerto Rico"??...although i'd naturalized in Puerto Rico whilst it was still under the U.S.??
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independant, BUT USED to BE under the U.S.....what happens to people born in that time while under the U.S. but now its independant??? did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenship and become citizens of the new country? or would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of it going independant held their U.S. citizenship?
Im a little confused on this topic....diddie mermaid, Yodrak.....mdyoung....meauxna. what you think? and everyone else of course!
You can NEVER know whats going to happen here in Puerto-Rico,....you got the 51st state, the territory,...and the "independistas"..(independance party).
Now my question is this.....say i naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around...and a few years later it goes independant.....where would my citizenship stand???...would i be a U.S.C.....or a citizen of "Puerto Rico"??...although i'd naturalized in Puerto Rico whilst it was still under the U.S.??
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independant, BUT USED to BE under the U.S.....what happens to people born in that time while under the U.S. but now its independant??? did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenship and become citizens of the new country? or would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of it going independant held their U.S. citizenship?
Im a little confused on this topic....diddie mermaid, Yodrak.....mdyoung....meauxna. what you think? and everyone else of course!
so in other words,...i'd be a U.S. citizen and then the "new puerto-rico" government would possibly automatically give me citizenship there aswell???
Its not that they got only 3% of the vote for independence.
Independence will win,..because the U.S. is very tired of supporting an island that gives litterly nothing back to them. It costs more to maintain it than what they give.
So the U.S. would let it go,
very true Yodrak.
But what ever happened to everyone in the former territories of Palau and the Marshall Islands when they broke away to become independent with the new "federations of Micronesia"???
Did the people from Palau and the Marshall Islands lose their citizenship,...or did they keep it and the governments of Palau and the Marshall Islands grant them residency/citzenship within Palau, M.I.?
Its not that they got only 3% of the vote for independence.
Independence will win,..because the U.S. is very tired of supporting an island that gives litterly nothing back to them. It costs more to maintain it than what they give.
So the U.S. would let it go,
very true Yodrak.
But what ever happened to everyone in the former territories of Palau and the Marshall Islands when they broke away to become independent with the new "federations of Micronesia"???
Did the people from Palau and the Marshall Islands lose their citizenship,...or did they keep it and the governments of Palau and the Marshall Islands grant them residency/citzenship within Palau, M.I.?
QUOTE(Aussielad @ Jul 20 2006, 09:58 AM)
Its not that they got only 3% of the vote for independence.
Independence will win,..because the U.S. is very tired of supporting an island that gives litterly nothing back to them. It costs more to maintain it than what they give.
So the U.S. would let it go,
I'm not following your first statement that "it's not that they got only 3% of the vote"
#1. independence won't win in Puerto Rico
#2. Puerto Rico gives a lot back in terms of a strategic location for military bases, commerce, etc. True, the U.S. spends a lot of money on infrastructure, hurricane cleanup, etc., but it is a worthwhile investment to have a territory in that part of the world.
military bases are starting to leave, Vieques was a major issue with the neuclear activity happening and a friendly-fire that resulted in someone from Vieques being killed. not many are left, the biggest one is in Aguadilla.
As in 3% of the vote, well, yeah it only get about that amount, but in the end people here think that the U.S. will just let it go. hard topic.
I think living here would help for someone to understand the situation.
Are you from here originally???
As in 3% of the vote, well, yeah it only get about that amount, but in the end people here think that the U.S. will just let it go. hard topic.
I think living here would help for someone to understand the situation.
Are you from here originally???
How citizenship will be given to people from Puerto Rico should it become independent will be dealt with between the US Government and Puerto Rico should that come to pass. No use worrying about it now...
I would assume that it would involve keeping US Citizenship for those Puerto Ricans living in the US and some sort of residency permission in the US for a period of time for Puerto Rico Citizens much like the Marshall Islands...
To answer your question about Palau and the Marshall Islands... yes... these individuals lost their US Nationality once they became independent nations, but retained the right to live, work and study in the US without a visa...
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffair...s_FS_021105.pdf
I would assume that it would involve keeping US Citizenship for those Puerto Ricans living in the US and some sort of residency permission in the US for a period of time for Puerto Rico Citizens much like the Marshall Islands...
To answer your question about Palau and the Marshall Islands... yes... these individuals lost their US Nationality once they became independent nations, but retained the right to live, work and study in the US without a visa...
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffair...s_FS_021105.pdf
QUOTE(zyggy @ Jul 20 2006, 03:25 PM)
How citizenship will be given to people from Puerto Rico should it become independent will be dealt with between the US Government and Puerto Rico should that come to pass. No use worrying about it now...
I would assume that it would involve keeping US Citizenship for those Puerto Ricans living in the US and some sort of residency permission in the US for a period of time for Puerto Rico Citizens much like the Marshall Islands...
To answer your question about Palau and the Marshall Islands... yes... these individuals lost their US Nationality once they became independent nations, but retained the right to live, work and study in the US without a visa...
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffair...s_FS_021105.pdf
Ok, keeping citizenship for those already in the U.S.....but what about those who NATURALIZE in Puerto-Rico, i would HOPE....that ANYONE who NATURALIZES in Puerto-Rico while it would still be under U.S. LAW, would retain their U.S. Citizenship, and be granted like Puerto-Rican permanent residency.
And those who either were BORN or NATURALIZED in Puerto-Rico would retain U.S. citzenship BEFORE the date that Puerto-Rico became independant. But anyone AFTER the date of Independence would be recognized 100% PR citizen.
Then again who knows.....they could make a pact like they did with the Marshall Islands
Its just that i dont want my citizenship (and probably alot of other people) to be up in limbo 10-20 years time down the track you know what im saying???
QUOTE(Aussielad @ Jul 20 2006, 12:16 PM)
military bases are starting to leave, Vieques was a major issue with the neuclear activity happening and a friendly-fire that resulted in someone from Vieques being killed. not many are left, the biggest one is in Aguadilla.
As in 3% of the vote, well, yeah it only get about that amount, but in the end people here think that the U.S. will just let it go. hard topic.
I think living here would help for someone to understand the situation.
Are you from here originally???
not from there originally, but I've been there many times. That and my best friend's father was the Independence Party's candidate for governor several times recently.
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Ok. one question.
You can NEVER know what's going to happen here in Puerto-Rico. You got the 51st state, the territory and the "independentistas" (independence party).
Now, my question is this: say I naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around and a few years later it goes independent; where would my citizenship stand? Would I still be a U.S.C or a citizen of "Puerto Rico," even though I naturalized in Puerto Rico while it was still under the U.S?
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independent, but they USED to be under the U.S. What happens to the people born during the time while under the U.S., but are now independent? Did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenships and became citizens of their own country? Would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of going independent held their U.S. citizenships?
I'm a little confused on this topic. Diddie mermaid, Yodrak, mdyoung, meauxna; what do you all think and everyone else of course?
You can NEVER know what's going to happen here in Puerto-Rico. You got the 51st state, the territory and the "independentistas" (independence party).
Now, my question is this: say I naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around and a few years later it goes independent; where would my citizenship stand? Would I still be a U.S.C or a citizen of "Puerto Rico," even though I naturalized in Puerto Rico while it was still under the U.S?
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independent, but they USED to be under the U.S. What happens to the people born during the time while under the U.S., but are now independent? Did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenships and became citizens of their own country? Would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of going independent held their U.S. citizenships?
I'm a little confused on this topic. Diddie mermaid, Yodrak, mdyoung, meauxna; what do you all think and everyone else of course?
Let me give it to you straight, since I was born and raised on the island myself and know more about its political status than you most probably do.
PR's Independence party (PIP) is made up and supported by a very few minority and only accounts for about 3% of total votes, which means independence won't happen anytime soon. It has been, is and will always be that way. Not only that, but even if the PIP was to miraculously win an election sometime in the near future, it wouldn't mean that right away PR would become a republic. The actual outcome of whether PR becomes independent, turns into a state or keeps its commonwealth status depends solely on the US Congress. They either deny or approve go and do its own thing. And even then, independence is not guaranteed.
Same goes for the statehood party, who have not yet been able to turn PR into the "51st State" to this date, even though it has won many an election with overwhelming majority.
In other words, PR's own self-determination doesn't rely on its voters, nor its political parties. It solely relies and rests upon the shoulders of the US Congress.
Puerto Ricans here in Atlanta, (which there are many) tell me it would be very stupid for PR to become independent. Statehood is more likely--but not that likely--which just goes to show how unlikely an independent PR would be. I would worry more about you being convicted of a felony--and this jeopardizing your citizenship then suddenly PR becoming a new country.
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 22 2006, 04:33 AM)
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Ok. one question.
You can NEVER know what's going to happen here in Puerto-Rico. You got the 51st state, the territory and the "independentistas" (independence party).
Now, my question is this: say I naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around and a few years later it goes independent; where would my citizenship stand? Would I still be a U.S.C or a citizen of "Puerto Rico," even though I naturalized in Puerto Rico while it was still under the U.S?
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independent, but they USED to be under the U.S. What happens to the people born during the time while under the U.S., but are now independent? Did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenships and became citizens of their own country? Would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of going independent held their U.S. citizenships?
I'm a little confused on this topic. Diddie mermaid, Yodrak, mdyoung, meauxna; what do you all think and everyone else of course?
You can NEVER know what's going to happen here in Puerto-Rico. You got the 51st state, the territory and the "independentistas" (independence party).
Now, my question is this: say I naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around and a few years later it goes independent; where would my citizenship stand? Would I still be a U.S.C or a citizen of "Puerto Rico," even though I naturalized in Puerto Rico while it was still under the U.S?
I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independent, but they USED to be under the U.S. What happens to the people born during the time while under the U.S., but are now independent? Did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenships and became citizens of their own country? Would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of going independent held their U.S. citizenships?
I'm a little confused on this topic. Diddie mermaid, Yodrak, mdyoung, meauxna; what do you all think and everyone else of course?
Let me give it to you straight, since I was born and raised on the island myself and know more about its political status than you most probably do.
PR's Independence party (PIP) is made up and supported by a very few minority and only accounts for about 3% of total votes, which means independence won't happen anytime soon. It has been, is and will always be that way. Not only that, but even if the PIP was to miraculously win an election sometime in the near future, it wouldn't mean that right away PR would become a republic. The actual outcome of whether PR becomes independent, turns into a state or keeps its commonwealth status depends solely on the US Congress. They either deny or approve go and do its own thing. And even then, independence is not guaranteed.
Same goes for the statehood party, who have not yet been able to turn PR into the "51st State" to this date, even though it has won many an election with overwhelming majority.
In other words, PR's own self-determination doesn't rely on its voters, nor its political parties. It solely relies and rests upon the shoulders of the US Congress.
Pfffft,.....my friend i know just as much as you do on the topic. I live here aswell, and have lived here for a while now.
The only problem is,....when you have a lazy nation of people who dont do much to better their situation, why would you want to keep it???....problems with being "autosuficiente".....relying on government handouts.
Well...need not worry. thanks though!
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Pfffft,.....my friend i know just as much as you do on the topic. I live here aswell, and have lived here for a while now.
The only problem is,....when you have a lazy nation of people who dont do much to better their situation, why would you want to keep it???....problems with being "autosuficiente".....relying on government handouts.
Well...need not worry. thanks though!
The only problem is,....when you have a lazy nation of people who dont do much to better their situation, why would you want to keep it???....problems with being "autosuficiente".....relying on government handouts.
Well...need not worry. thanks though!
Spain first made us that way and then the US.
So then where does it all go dmartmar
Could they really survive going independant???
What city/town are you originally from??
We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.
I guess i'll just go to the states to naturalize if im that unsure.
However,....ever been to Guam???...they are like P-R-O-U-D to be "american"...independence doesnt even cross their mind,...its the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands,....buy why P.R.??...
Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???
Could they really survive going independant???
What city/town are you originally from??
We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.
I guess i'll just go to the states to naturalize if im that unsure.
However,....ever been to Guam???...they are like P-R-O-U-D to be "american"...independence doesnt even cross their mind,...its the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands,....buy why P.R.??...
Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???
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So then, where does it all go dmartmar?
Could they really survive going independent?
Could they really survive going independent?
I have no idea.
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What city/town are you originally from?
We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.
I guess I'll just go to the states to naturalize, if I'm that unsure.
We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.
I guess I'll just go to the states to naturalize, if I'm that unsure.
Born and raised in Rio Piedras.
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However, have you ever been to Guam? They are P-R-O-U-D to be treated like "Americans!" Independence doesn't even cross their minds. It's the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands; but why P.R.?
Wouldn't tons of other countries here in the Caribbean such as the D.R. or Haiti, give literally anything to be a U.S. territory?
Wouldn't tons of other countries here in the Caribbean such as the D.R. or Haiti, give literally anything to be a U.S. territory?
Which is why the Independence party accounts for only about 3% of the total voting population.
Rio Piedras is a pretty neat place....they got the UPR there!
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Rio Piedras is a pretty neat place....they got the UPR there!
And in Mayaguez too!
But i go to another university in Mayaguez lol.
Acevedo Anibel aint looking too good either these days...
So do you live in Rio Piedras or in the U.S.??
Acevedo Anibel aint looking too good either these days...
So do you live in Rio Piedras or in the U.S.??
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But I go to another university in Mayaguez (lol).
Anibal Acevedo ain't looking too good these days either...
So, do you live in Rio Piedras or in the U.S.?
Anibal Acevedo ain't looking too good these days either...
So, do you live in Rio Piedras or in the U.S.?
I was born and raised in Rio Piedras, but moved to North Carolina when I turned 23. I've been here ever since then. I'm currently 33. All of my family still lives down there, in either Caguas and/or Cayey.
ahhh we're going there sometime soon!,...love Cayey.
I like Manati and San Sebastian,...
would you ever come back to P.R. or is it way crazy economically bad to come back???
Its hard to get a job here.
I like Manati and San Sebastian,...
would you ever come back to P.R. or is it way crazy economically bad to come back???
Its hard to get a job here.
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Would you ever come back to PR or is it economically way too crazy bad to come back?
It's hard to get a job down here.
It's hard to get a job down here.
Which is one of the main reasons why I moved to NC.
and so do you get paid alot better there than you thought you ever would?
......do you miss Kanepas,....mafongo,....and Tego Calderon??
......do you miss Kanepas,....mafongo,....and Tego Calderon??
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and so do you get paid alot better there than you thought you ever would?
......do you miss Kanepas,....mafongo,....and Tego Calderon??
......do you miss Kanepas,....mafongo,....and Tego Calderon??
Yes, I do get paid more, but nothing I didn't expect.
And no, I don't miss any of those things.
Hey boriquas, my fiance is from Toa Baja, and I am living there.
living there right now???
Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.
[quote name='Aussielad' date='Jul 25 2006, 05:49 PM' post='331232']
So then where does it all go dmartmar
Could they really survive going independant???
What city/town are you originally from??
We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.
I guess i'll just go to the states to naturalize if im that unsure.
However,....ever been to Guam???...they are like P-R-O-U-D to be "american"...independence doesnt even cross their mind,...its the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands,....buy why P.R.??...
Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???
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Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.
[quote name='Aussielad' date='Jul 25 2006, 05:49 PM' post='331232']
So then where does it all go dmartmar
Could they really survive going independant???
What city/town are you originally from??
We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.
I guess i'll just go to the states to naturalize if im that unsure.
However,....ever been to Guam???...they are like P-R-O-U-D to be "american"...independence doesnt even cross their mind,...its the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands,....buy why P.R.??...
Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???
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Have to correct that part"Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???
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Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.
QUOTE(Nikita2Charles @ Dec 1 2006, 05:55 PM)
Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.
for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.
no place is more srewed up than Haiti. US occupation??...it has been run for the last 50 years by dictators, Papa Doc and Baby Doc) and by incompetent presidents and dictators. Nothing there but poverty, corruption and danger. The economy is a shambles, it is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere and will always be. I have no idea what your post even means. I would never recommend that anyone go to Haiti. Ive been there aned its enough to make you cry.
There are a couple other possibilities...the US Congress can unilaterally grant PR independence. No plebiscite. No appeal. (See the most recent report to the president on the status of PR).
In this case, anything could happen regarding citizenship. The current citizenship of PR's citizens is a legislated citizenship, not citizenship as natural-born. However, citizenship granted via naturalization is full-US citizenship. If PR were (in the unlikely case) to vote for or receive independence from the US, it is likely, but not guaranteed that current citizens could chose between US and PR citizenship, however, all future-borns would not automatically be granted citizenship. I can only theorize on this.
As for my personal POV, I have lived here full-time for 10 years and this current relationship will go on for another 100 years unless someone forces the issue. In a 2002 poll of 3000 people conducted by the leading newspaper, El Nuevo Dia, people were asked to select between statehood and independence. 36% chose independence. This is a significant number because it represent a sizable portion of the population of 4 million residents. It would take a tremendous effort to either increase or decrease this number. Multiple Orders of Magnitude. Neither side of the issue will ever achieve the type of quorum necessary to succeed by popular vote.
My suggestion is that Congress grant PR independence with a 10 year phase-in. Plebisites at 3, 6 and 9 years to choose either statehood or independence. If a quorum of a minimum of 90% for either option is achieved, then Congress will accept the will of the people. However, if less than 90% is the result, then independence is granted arbitrarily at the end of 10 years.
There is only one way to change the status quo, otherwise the island will continue with its current status forever and I am not certain that is the best option for PR.
In this case, anything could happen regarding citizenship. The current citizenship of PR's citizens is a legislated citizenship, not citizenship as natural-born. However, citizenship granted via naturalization is full-US citizenship. If PR were (in the unlikely case) to vote for or receive independence from the US, it is likely, but not guaranteed that current citizens could chose between US and PR citizenship, however, all future-borns would not automatically be granted citizenship. I can only theorize on this.
As for my personal POV, I have lived here full-time for 10 years and this current relationship will go on for another 100 years unless someone forces the issue. In a 2002 poll of 3000 people conducted by the leading newspaper, El Nuevo Dia, people were asked to select between statehood and independence. 36% chose independence. This is a significant number because it represent a sizable portion of the population of 4 million residents. It would take a tremendous effort to either increase or decrease this number. Multiple Orders of Magnitude. Neither side of the issue will ever achieve the type of quorum necessary to succeed by popular vote.
My suggestion is that Congress grant PR independence with a 10 year phase-in. Plebisites at 3, 6 and 9 years to choose either statehood or independence. If a quorum of a minimum of 90% for either option is achieved, then Congress will accept the will of the people. However, if less than 90% is the result, then independence is granted arbitrarily at the end of 10 years.
There is only one way to change the status quo, otherwise the island will continue with its current status forever and I am not certain that is the best option for PR.
Dear Aussielad,
I wouldn't be worrying about the independence/statehood status of Puerto Rico at this moment. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico and I can also see that this current status (ELA) could last for the next 100 years.
While our current Governor is trying to clean the huge economic mess/blackhole that has been growing for years of bad administration, our people pay with the new sales tax and poor or non existent salary increases. But anyway, AussieLad, please don't stress! Just enjoy our beautiful Island, walking around El Viejo San Juan, visit the mountains and our stunning white sand beaches!!! That's paradise, right there for you!
Saludos y relax
edi
I wouldn't be worrying about the independence/statehood status of Puerto Rico at this moment. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico and I can also see that this current status (ELA) could last for the next 100 years.
While our current Governor is trying to clean the huge economic mess/blackhole that has been growing for years of bad administration, our people pay with the new sales tax and poor or non existent salary increases. But anyway, AussieLad, please don't stress! Just enjoy our beautiful Island, walking around El Viejo San Juan, visit the mountains and our stunning white sand beaches!!! That's paradise, right there for you!
Saludos y relax
edi
IF that ever happened, I believe we'd keep our citizenship, 'cus we adjusted status through marriage to a puerto rican but one can apply for citizenship after being a LPR without being married anymore. So I think that right would be ours not to be taken away.
Also, I believe that only puerto ricans born AFTER US revoked the citizenship would be affected and not having it, but those with citizenship prior to the new "law" would keep it. At least in brazilian law that would make sense.
Btw, I never came back to answer the question but yeah, I'm living in Toa Baja since October 15th.
EDIT: I had a question about AOS for those in PR who've gone through it. Documents in spanish. Did you get all of them translated? How was the interview here? Laid back or were people stiff like some americans at consulate level?
Also, I believe that only puerto ricans born AFTER US revoked the citizenship would be affected and not having it, but those with citizenship prior to the new "law" would keep it. At least in brazilian law that would make sense.
Btw, I never came back to answer the question but yeah, I'm living in Toa Baja since October 15th.
EDIT: I had a question about AOS for those in PR who've gone through it. Documents in spanish. Did you get all of them translated? How was the interview here? Laid back or were people stiff like some americans at consulate level?
Regarding the AoS question....we went through it in PR as well as a second interview for removal of conditions. We did translate all spanish documents. We were told to make sure that all documents were translated. They did not have to be translated by an official interpreter. I translated them and signed as translater and there were no problems.
The interview process was very business-like. The interviewer was friendly but professional. He spoke more to my wife's daughter than to my wife and I, making sure she understood what was happening. The interview was in spanish. He left the room for a few minutes but we were aware that the interview was being recorded and made a rule before we went in that we would not speak to each other if he left the room.
After approval, he made sure to answer any questions we had regarding the next steps to take. The interview took about an hour.
The interview process was very business-like. The interviewer was friendly but professional. He spoke more to my wife's daughter than to my wife and I, making sure she understood what was happening. The interview was in spanish. He left the room for a few minutes but we were aware that the interview was being recorded and made a rule before we went in that we would not speak to each other if he left the room.
After approval, he made sure to answer any questions we had regarding the next steps to take. The interview took about an hour.
wow...an hour for an interview?? lol thats alot, hope i dont have to go through that!
QUOTE(Waiting and Waiting @ Dec 6 2006, 12:54 PM)
There are a couple other possibilities...the US Congress can unilaterally grant PR independence. No plebiscite. No appeal. (See the most recent report to the president on the status of PR).
In this case, anything could happen regarding citizenship. The current citizenship of PR's citizens is a legislated citizenship, not citizenship as natural-born. However, citizenship granted via naturalization is full-US citizenship. If PR were (in the unlikely case) to vote for or receive independence from the US, it is likely, but not guaranteed that current citizens could chose between US and PR citizenship, however, all future-borns would not automatically be granted citizenship. I can only theorize on this.
As for my personal POV, I have lived here full-time for 10 years and this current relationship will go on for another 100 years unless someone forces the issue. In a 2002 poll of 3000 people conducted by the leading newspaper, El Nuevo Dia, people were asked to select between statehood and independence. 36% chose independence. This is a significant number because it represent a sizable portion of the population of 4 million residents. It would take a tremendous effort to either increase or decrease this number. Multiple Orders of Magnitude. Neither side of the issue will ever achieve the type of quorum necessary to succeed by popular vote.
My suggestion is that Congress grant PR independence with a 10 year phase-in. Plebisites at 3, 6 and 9 years to choose either statehood or independence. If a quorum of a minimum of 90% for either option is achieved, then Congress will accept the will of the people. However, if less than 90% is the result, then independence is granted arbitrarily at the end of 10 years.
There is only one way to change the status quo, otherwise the island will continue with its current status forever and I am not certain that is the best option for PR.
In this case, anything could happen regarding citizenship. The current citizenship of PR's citizens is a legislated citizenship, not citizenship as natural-born. However, citizenship granted via naturalization is full-US citizenship. If PR were (in the unlikely case) to vote for or receive independence from the US, it is likely, but not guaranteed that current citizens could chose between US and PR citizenship, however, all future-borns would not automatically be granted citizenship. I can only theorize on this.
As for my personal POV, I have lived here full-time for 10 years and this current relationship will go on for another 100 years unless someone forces the issue. In a 2002 poll of 3000 people conducted by the leading newspaper, El Nuevo Dia, people were asked to select between statehood and independence. 36% chose independence. This is a significant number because it represent a sizable portion of the population of 4 million residents. It would take a tremendous effort to either increase or decrease this number. Multiple Orders of Magnitude. Neither side of the issue will ever achieve the type of quorum necessary to succeed by popular vote.
My suggestion is that Congress grant PR independence with a 10 year phase-in. Plebisites at 3, 6 and 9 years to choose either statehood or independence. If a quorum of a minimum of 90% for either option is achieved, then Congress will accept the will of the people. However, if less than 90% is the result, then independence is granted arbitrarily at the end of 10 years.
There is only one way to change the status quo, otherwise the island will continue with its current status forever and I am not certain that is the best option for PR.
i just wish they would sought it out because it does leave alot of people in jeapordy, and everyone is right, this issue could go on for another 100 years, who knows,....but i would *hope* as said before, that anyone born AFTER the date would be considered P.R. citizens and anyone BEFORE would retain their U.S. citizenship.
I believe that would be the logical thing to be done, right? 'Cus otherwise imagine all the millions of puerto ricans living in US having to leave, be considered illegals or having to apply for permanent residence? It'd be a total mess.
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