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laila
Here is my brief story. I got married to a US citizen after a whirlwind romance in my country.
Although we were legally married he applied for a K-1 visa for me and a K-2 daughter from previous marriage saying it would take less time for us to get to USA.

So we got to USA. Got married there again. And then our marriage which was entered in good faith started getting sour because of his abusive behaviour and ended about a year and half after I got to USA. In the mean time we had gotten our conditional green cards. After the divorce, since I had no support system in USA, and since I was heart broken, I decided to return to my home country.

Living here in my country I had to face a lot of stigmatization because of my divorce. I and my daughter had to face a lot of nasty comments, slurs and were isolated from the family because divorce is really frowned upon in my culture and it is considered a woman's duty alone to somehow make the marriage work.

So I have been trying to readjust among all this stigmatization but it is not happening. It is affecting my daughter too. I think women who are from South Asia ( India, Pkistan, Bangladesh) would be better able to understand the kind of stigmatization a woman has to face because of divorce.

And now I am forced to thinking of moving back to USA.

Our green cards are valid until June 2007. I have heard from a couple of women in the same predicament as I that when their green cards were up for removal of conditions, they were given a one year extention to proove their case.

In my case I have the documents of our living together for the period of our marriage. I have the wedding photographs and wedding papers which took place in my country, And I have the affadavits from the NGO which helps women suffering from domestic abuse. That NGO had my case and helped me a lot in my difficult days.

Now my question is if I go back to USA, with my daughter ( our stay outside of USA has been less than a year). Will I stand a good chance of getting my permenant green card when I self petition?

My now ex husband had said to me at the time of divorce that he has already written to USCIS that our marriage was a fraud. Which it definetly was not.

I know you guys are not immigration lawyers, but you certainly are more knowledgeable than me and can help me with good advice.

Should I come back to USA and then hire an immigration attorney and self petition or is it all a wild goose chase and I will loose any way?

Please please give me your sincere advice based on your knowledge/ experience. I am going through a very tough time here and if there is a chance that I can get back to USA with my daughter and start my life fresh I would like to avail that chance. Life is not very good here in my country for divorced women like me because of the attitudes of people.

Thanks
Laila





phatmadame81
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 02:45 PM) *

Here is my brief story. I got married to a US citizen after a whirlwind romance in my country.
Although we were legally married he applied for a K-1 visa for me and a K-2 daughter from previous marriage saying it would take less time for us to get to USA.

So we got to USA. Got married there again. And then our marriage which was entered in good faith started getting sour because of his abusive behaviour and ended about a year and half after I got to USA. In the mean time we had gotten our conditional green cards. After the divorce, since I had no support system in USA, and since I was heart broken, I decided to return to my home country.

Living here in my country I had to face a lot of stigmatization because of my divorce. I and my daughter had to face a lot of nasty comments, slurs and were isolated from the family because divorce is really frowned upon in my culture and it is considered a woman's duty alone to somehow make the marriage work.

So I have been trying to readjust among all this stigmatization but it is not happening. It is affecting my daughter too. I think women who are from South Asia ( India, Pkistan, Bangladesh) would be better able to understand the kind of stigmatization a woman has to face because of divorce.

And now I am forced to thinking of moving back to USA.

Our green cards are valid until June 2007. I have heard from a couple of women in the same predicament as I that when their green cards were up for removal of conditions, they were given a one year extention to proove their case.

In my case I have the documents of our living together for the period of our marriage. I have the wedding photographs and wedding papers which took place in my country, And I have the affadavits from the NGO which helps women suffering from domestic abuse. That NGO had my case and helped me a lot in my difficult days.

Now my question is if I go back to USA, with my daughter ( our stay outside of USA has been less than a year). Will I stand a good chance of getting my permenant green card when I self petition?

My now ex husband had said to me at the time of divorce that he has already written to USCIS that our marriage was a fraud. Which it definetly was not.

I know you guys are not immigration lawyers, but you certainly are more knowledgeable than me and can help me with good advice.

Should I come back to USA and then hire an immigration attorney and self petition or is it all a wild goose chase and I will loose any way?

Please please give me your sincere advice based on your knowledge/ experience. I am going through a very tough time here and if there is a chance that I can get back to USA with my daughter and start my life fresh I would like to avail that chance. Life is not very good here in my country for divorced women like me because of the attitudes of people.

Thanks
Laila


Laila, I do not have a answer for you but I am so sorry that your marriage did not work out. Maybe if you had stayed in the country you could have self petition based on abuse but seeing that you were out of the country I am not too sure, I am sure someone will be by to assist you.
Again I am so soory about your predicament.
Shal
I have no advice but would like to say that I'll keep you and your daughter in my prayers. Good luck to you. rose.gif
john_and_marlene
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 01:45 PM) *

Here is my brief story. I got married to a US citizen after a whirlwind romance in my country.
Although we were legally married he applied for a K-1 visa for me and a K-2 daughter from previous marriage saying it would take less time for us to get to USA.

So we got to USA. Got married there again. And then our marriage which was entered in good faith started getting sour because of his abusive behaviour and ended about a year and half after I got to USA. In the mean time we had gotten our conditional green cards. After the divorce, since I had no support system in USA, and since I was heart broken, I decided to return to my home country.

Living here in my country I had to face a lot of stigmatization because of my divorce. I and my daughter had to face a lot of nasty comments, slurs and were isolated from the family because divorce is really frowned upon in my culture and it is considered a woman's duty alone to somehow make the marriage work.

So I have been trying to readjust among all this stigmatization but it is not happening. It is affecting my daughter too. I think women who are from South Asia ( India, Pkistan, Bangladesh) would be better able to understand the kind of stigmatization a woman has to face because of divorce.

And now I am forced to thinking of moving back to USA.

Our green cards are valid until June 2007. I have heard from a couple of women in the same predicament as I that when their green cards were up for removal of conditions, they were given a one year extention to proove their case.

In my case I have the documents of our living together for the period of our marriage. I have the wedding photographs and wedding papers which took place in my country, And I have the affadavits from the NGO which helps women suffering from domestic abuse. That NGO had my case and helped me a lot in my difficult days.

Now my question is if I go back to USA, with my daughter ( our stay outside of USA has been less than a year). Will I stand a good chance of getting my permenant green card when I self petition?

My now ex husband had said to me at the time of divorce that he has already written to USCIS that our marriage was a fraud. Which it definetly was not.

I know you guys are not immigration lawyers, but you certainly are more knowledgeable than me and can help me with good advice.

Should I come back to USA and then hire an immigration attorney and self petition or is it all a wild goose chase and I will loose any way?

Please please give me your sincere advice based on your knowledge/ experience. I am going through a very tough time here and if there is a chance that I can get back to USA with my daughter and start my life fresh I would like to avail that chance. Life is not very good here in my country for divorced women like me because of the attitudes of people.

Thanks
Laila



I'm sorry to hear what has happened to you and I hope this will work out in your favor. I do think, however, that you may encounter some level of difficulty even trying to reenter since you may be viewed as having abandoned your permanent residence. At a minimum, you will be asked to show some evidence that you maintained your domicile in the U.S. while you were absent. Since you made your domicile back in your country, this may not be possible. There are several factors they will look at to determine if you abandoned your status. Did you file U.S. taxes for 2005? Did you accept employment in your home country? It is possible for your status to be deemed abandoned in far less than 1 year... in some cases even in less than 6 months.

Is there anyone in the U.S. that could consult with an immigration attorney for you?

I do wish you well.

Edited to add:

I went and looked up the status information so that you will be fully away of the status issue.


http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm

You may be found to have abandoned your permanent resident status if you:


Move to another country intending to live there permanently.
Remain outside of the US for more than one year without obtaining a reentry permit or returning resident visa. However in determining whether your status has been abandoned any length of absence from the US may be considered, even if it is less than one year.
Remain outside of the US for more than two years after issuance of a reentry permit without obtaining a returning resident visa. However in determining whether your status has been abandoned any length of absence from the US may be considered, even if it is less than one year.
Fail to file income tax returns while living outside of the US for any period.
Declare yourself a “nonimmigrant” on your tax returns.
laila
Thanks for your advice and sincere wishes.

To answer your questions:

1. No I did not take any job or employment in my country. I was home trying to heal from this traumatic experience and I just did not have it in me to face the outside world given their general behaviour.

2. As for income tax for 2005, I had no income in 2005 in USA or any where else. While married I was a stay at home wife as per my ex-husband's orders. And I did not file any income tax returns. I had come back to my country in late Novemeber 2005. Year before that, in 2004, my ex husband had filed our joint income tax returns as head of household.

3. As for establishing residency in my country, no I did not do that . I was and am living with my mother. When I left USA I had to vacate my apartment and so I do not have a residence there either.
laila
John_and_marlene,

I have asked the social worker for the NGO which helped me during those difficult times to consult a US immigration attorney on my behalf and let me know what he thinks of my case. I hope I hear from them very soon. Because if I am to get to USA I better do it before mid July as that would make a year for my daughter's stay outside of USA. I had to bring her back to my home country as the situation over there was getting worse and worse with my ex-husband's teenaged son's involvement in drugs and watching porno movies with his male friends at home. I did not feel it to be a safe environment for my daughter.
Emo
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 02:20 PM) *

Thanks for your advice and sincere wishes.

To answer your questions:

1. No I did not take any job or employment in my country. I was home trying to heal from this traumatic experience and I just did not have it in me to face the outside world given their general behaviour.

2. As for income tax for 2005, I had no income in 2005 in USA or any where else. While married I was a stay at home wife as per my ex-husband's orders. And I did not file any income tax returns. I had come back to my country in late Novemeber 2005. Year before that, in 2004, my ex husband had filed our joint income tax returns as head of household.

3. As for establishing residency in my country, no I did not do that . I was and am living with my mother. When I left USA I had to vacate my apartment and so I do not have a residence there either.



You have very good chance to receive permanent green card if you have been abused in the past and I don’t think anyone will call on himself regarding fraud marriage.
diadromous mermaid
Can you offer us a timeline, so that we can get an idea of how long it has been since you
received conditional green card
divorced
left the country ?
shirlJ831
I too think you may have problems but pray things DO work out for you. My heart goes out to you with what you have had to endure sad.gif sorry sweetie
meauxna
Laila,
You can't win if you don't play.
I don't know of any penalty for trying. smile.gif

Good luck!
john_and_marlene
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 02:30 PM) *

John_and_marlene,

I have asked the social worker for the NGO which helped me during those difficult times to consult a US immigration attorney on my behalf and let me know what he thinks of my case. I hope I hear from them very soon. Because if I am to get to USA I better do it before mid July as that would make a year for my daughter's stay outside of USA. I had to bring her back to my home country as the situation over there was getting worse and worse with my ex-husband's teenaged son's involvement in drugs and watching porno movies with his male friends at home. I did not feel it to be a safe environment for my daughter.


I do hope you hear back very soon. I agree that your chances are much better to return before a year than if you exceed a year. It would appear that if the year passes, your chances are far less for readmittance.

Good luck to you.
Boiler
Married but entered on a K1.

Might be an issue....

A pot luck situation as far as re-admittance is concered, but if you do not try you will never know.

And the sooner you try the better.


diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(Boiler @ Jul 7 2006, 08:56 PM) *

Married but entered on a K1.

Might be an issue....

.

Yes, indeed. Providing evidence of the marriage papers in the native country to USCIS, would certainly demonstrate that the wrong visa was used to enter the country! Apparently, since the conditional green card was awarded, USCIS was none the wiser.

The OP has only been out of the country since November 2005, and in that regard return without a re-entry permit is permissible, however, ties to the USA during her absence appear rather questionable.
laila
diadromous mermaid,
my time line is:

- got married in April 2003 in my country.
-Ex husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-Got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-Came to USA in Oct 2004
-Got conditional green cards in June 2005
- My daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
- Divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-Divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.
Sweetgirl
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 12:45 PM) *

Here is my brief story. I got married to a US citizen after a whirlwind romance in my country.
Although we were legally married he applied for a K-1 visa for me and a K-2 daughter from previous marriage saying it would take less time for us to get to USA.

So we got to USA. Got married there again. And then our marriage which was entered in good faith started getting sour because of his abusive behaviour and ended about a year and half after I got to USA. In the mean time we had gotten our conditional green cards. After the divorce, since I had no support system in USA, and since I was heart broken, I decided to return to my home country.

Living here in my country I had to face a lot of stigmatization because of my divorce. I and my daughter had to face a lot of nasty comments, slurs and were isolated from the family because divorce is really frowned upon in my culture and it is considered a woman's duty alone to somehow make the marriage work.

So I have been trying to readjust among all this stigmatization but it is not happening. It is affecting my daughter too. I think women who are from South Asia ( India, Pkistan, Bangladesh) would be better able to understand the kind of stigmatization a woman has to face because of divorce.

And now I am forced to thinking of moving back to USA.



Our green cards are valid until June 2007. I have heard from a couple of women in the same predicament as I that when their green cards were up for removal of conditions, they were given a one year extention to proove their case.

In my case I have the documents of our living together for the period of our marriage. I have the wedding photographs and wedding papers which took place in my country, And I have the affadavits from the NGO which helps women suffering from domestic abuse. That NGO had my case and helped me a lot in my difficult days.

Now my question is if I go back to USA, with my daughter ( our stay outside of USA has been less than a year). Will I stand a good chance of getting my permenant green card when I self petition?

My now ex husband had said to me at the time of divorce that he has already written to USCIS that our marriage was a fraud. Which it definetly was not.

I know you guys are not immigration lawyers, but you certainly are more knowledgeable than me and can help me with good advice.

Should I come back to USA and then hire an immigration attorney and self petition or is it all a wild goose chase and I will loose any way?

Please please give me your sincere advice based on your knowledge/ experience. I am going through a very tough time here and if there is a chance that I can get back to USA with my daughter and start my life fresh I would like to avail that chance. Life is not very good here in my country for divorced women like me because of the attitudes of people.

Thanks
Laila


Hi Laila,
I;m very sorry to hear the story happened to you. I wish i could help you with something.
Anyways,my advice is never give up!
I am personally truly believe that if you file the Removal of the Conditions petition by yourself you will be approved 98% garantee! If you have all of the necessary evidence that your marriage was entered in the good faith ,you have nothing to worry about and plus my suggestion to you is to hire a good immigration attorney just in case.
Also,i havent payed attention about if you have already divorced to your American husband or still married to him and just went to visit your country for a while?..If you are still married to him you must be divorced by the time you need to file for the Removal conditions petition by yourself. Usually,the divorce procedure in the U.S may take 6 or 7 month ,so you just need to make sure that you gonna be ontime.
Also ,i am concerned about that you say that you have out of the United States less then a year? Was your absence out of the U.S more then 6 month? If you were out of the U.S more then 6 month and havent obtained a reentry permit before leaving the U.S ,you might have trouble in the U.S airport and interegation maybe conducted also. You should be prepared to this action.
So if you stayed less then 6 month outside of the U.S you should be fine and even if you stayed more then 6 month and didnt obtain the reentry permit ,if i were you i would still risk and go for it!
Dont give up ,get the plain tickets and come back you should be fine! good.gif
My best wishes.
Sincerely.


QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 09:50 PM) *

diadromous mermaid,
my time line is:

- got married in April 2003 in my country.
-Ex husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-Got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-Came to USA in Oct 2004
-Got conditional green cards in June 2005
- My daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
- Divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-Divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.

Divorced, OK,i see you are good for the Removal of the Condition Petition by yourself.
Best wishes.
Sincerely.
laila
Thanks every one for your sincere wishes. But it does seem like a hopeless situation for me and my daughter. I haven't yet heard from the social worker of the NGO I had written to about seeking advice on this matter from an immigration attorney. And time is running out.

God this is difficult. If I spend my meagre savings on the air fare, only to be denied entry and to be turned back that would be horrible for me and my daughter.

I really am at a loss as to what to do. Should I take that risk or abondon the idea completely. And if I abondon the idea of coming back to USA then I am left to face the tough time I have been facing since my return to my country. I wish there was some no man's land here on this earth where I could just disappear and be at peace. Sartre had once said that "Hell is other people". And I know exactly what that means. Here in my country it is a very difficult life for a divorced woman.
PSoft
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 11:56 PM) *

Thanks every one for your sincere wishes. But it does seem like a hopeless situation for me and my daughter. I haven't yet heard from the social worker of the NGO I had written to about seeking advice on this matter from an immigration attorney. And time is running out.

God this is difficult. If I spend my meagre savings on the air fare, only to be denied entry and to be turned back that would be horrible for me and my daughter.

I really am at a loss as to what to do. Should I take that risk or abondon the idea completely. And if I abondon the idea of coming back to USA then I am left to face the tough time I have been facing since my return to my country. I wish there was some no man's land here on this earth where I could just disappear and be at peace. Sartre had once said that "Hell is other people". And I know exactly what that means. Here in my country it is a very difficult life for a divorced woman.


Laila,
I think you must first communicate to the lawyer prior to proceeds in this regard. As you mentioned in your profile you are from Pakistan, in my opinion it would be a great if you talk to ‘DESI’ lawyer because ‘DESI’ lawyer must have a better understanding of your case as compare to others due to some cultural influences & differences. By chance I know a very good Pakistani dedicated, energetic, young Pakistani professional. If you really interested I will send you his e.mail address or URL of his law firm, you can briefly explain him your case. I hope things will workout for you.
laila
QUOTE(PSoft @ Jul 8 2006, 11:35 AM) *


Laila,
I think you must first communicate to the lawyer prior to proceeds in this regard. As you mentioned in your profile you are from Pakistan, in my opinion it would be a great if you talk to ‘DESI’ lawyer because ‘DESI’ lawyer must have a better understanding of your case as compare to others due to some cultural influences & differences. By chance I know a very good Pakistani dedicated, energetic, young Pakistani professional. If you really interested I will send you his e.mail address or URL of his law firm, you can briefly explain him your case. I hope things will workout for you.


Yes please do. I will appreciate that.

diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 11:50 PM) *

diadromous mermaid,
my time line is:

- got married in April 2003 in my country.
-Ex husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-Got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-Came to USA in Oct 2004
-Got conditional green cards in June 2005
- My daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
- Divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-Divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.



OK, there are a couple of items that are missing from your timeline. What date were you married in the USA? Were you interviewed for AOS, and if so when? I gather that if you were interviewed that you provided documentation to support the bona fide marriage, what period of time did you present as evidence? Did you present evidence of the marriage/wedding ceremony conducted in the USA?

As far as gaining re-entry to the USA. On a conditional green card, you are free to travel on your CGC for up to one year without the need of a re-entry permit. That must be secured prior to leaving, but it is no guarantee of admission, it only serves to demonstrate that there are reasons for a temporary departure from the USA. In order to preserve status, you should maintain ties to the USA in your absence. Given that you were going through a divorce for 2 months of your 8 month absence, it would be logical to suggest that you had ties to the country (USA) during at least those 2 months in terms of joint possessions, bank statements etc that had not yet been distributed or separated legally by the Court until the final divorce decree was issued in January 2006. It's worth mentioning this to your attorney, as it is logical, but not necessary obvious. Then you are dealing only with the term of time from January 2006 to July 2006, in so far as establishing that you have not abandoned your permanent residency.

As far as petitioning for removal of conditions, you can do that by way of a waiver as soon as a divorce is final. So, I'd ask the immigration attorney if submitting that could immediately demonstrate an interest in preserving your status. And the waiver can be submitted from outside the country. There are other things you can do from outside the country to preserve your residency, renewal of driver's licenses, enrollment of children in schools, reactivating a bank account in the USA (you should have a SSN still, correct?); what about work, did you while you were in the USA? If not, how about attempting to secure a position, even temporary through colleagues you may have in the USA, while you are still where you are?
Anyway, let no time elapse before attending to this. I would present all of these issues to an immigration attorney right away, and some, if I am not mistaken can be done without taking the money and risking it to be turned away at the POE. If I were in your shoes, I'd
1. get a good immigration attorney on Monday of next week
2. Ask about some of these processes to re-establish your ties in the USA, right away
3. Ask about submission of the I-751 from overseas right away
4. Look into gaining a flight back to the USA one you've investigated these matters, but before November 2006.

Good luck.
laila
QUOTE(diadromous mermaid @ Jul 8 2006, 02:14 PM) *


OK, there are a couple of items that are missing from your timeline. What date were you married in the USA? Were you interviewed for AOS, and if so when? I gather that if you were interviewed that you provided documentation to support the bona fide marriage, what period of time did you present as evidence? Did you present evidence of the marriage/wedding ceremony conducted in the USA?

As far as gaining re-entry to the USA. On a conditional green card, you are free to travel on your CGC for up to one year without the need of a re-entry permit. That must be secured prior to leaving, but it is no guarantee of admission, it only serves to demonstrate that there are reasons for a temporary departure from the USA. In order to preserve status, you should maintain ties to the USA in your absence. Given that you were going through a divorce for 2 months of your 8 month absence, it would be logical to suggest that you had ties to the country (USA) during at least those 2 months in terms of joint possessions, bank statements etc that had not yet been distributed or separated legally by the Court until the final divorce decree was issued in January 2006. It's worth mentioning this to your attorney, as it is logical, but not necessary obvious. Then you are dealing only with the term of time from January 2006 to July 2006, in so far as establishing that you have not abandoned your permanent residency.

As far as petitioning for removal of conditions, you can do that by way of a waiver as soon as a divorce is final. So, I'd ask the immigration attorney if submitting that could immediately demonstrate an interest in preserving your status. And the waiver can be submitted from outside the country. There are other things you can do from outside the country to preserve your residency, renewal of driver's licenses, enrollment of children in schools, reactivating a bank account in the USA (you should have a SSN still, correct?); what about work, did you while you were in the USA? If not, how about attempting to secure a position, even temporary through colleagues you may have in the USA, while you are still where you are?
Anyway, let no time elapse before attending to this. I would present all of these issues to an immigration attorney right away, and some, if I am not mistaken can be done without taking the money and risking it to be turned away at the POE. If I were in your shoes, I'd
1. get a good immigration attorney on Monday of next week
2. Ask about some of these processes to re-establish your ties in the USA, right away
3. Ask about submission of the I-751 from overseas right away
4. Look into gaining a flight back to the USA one you've investigated these matters, but before November 2006.

Good luck.


We were married in USA in late Oct, 2004.
During the AOS interview we presented the wedding album, the wedding documents, and joint bank account and other joint holdings.

As for ties in USA, I still have my bank account in USA. I did not hold a job there because my ex-husband did not allow me to, but I was studying for my USMLE exams and had enrolled in Kaplan course there and had filed the fee for the exam with ECFMG, and have all the paper work related to that.

I also have affadavits from the NGO which helps victims of domestic abuse and which helped me through out the period of my divorce from the time my husband turned me out of the house till I returned to my country.

Right now my main concern is being denied re-entry because of staying outside of USA so many months- specially in case of my daughter, that is why I want to return to US before her one year of stay outside USA is over.

Thanks for your detailed response. It was very helpful. I intend to copy it to use while discussing my case with a lawyer.
meauxna
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 8 2006, 12:58 PM) *

Right now my main concern is being denied re-entry because of staying outside of USA so many months- specially in case of my daughter, that is why I want to return to US before her one year of stay outside USA is over.


laila, good on you for doing the research to help you speak more thoughtfully with a lawyer! I immediately thought of the following thread when I read your thread today.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showpost.ph...amp;postcount=2
" do note that the regulations DO guarantee an Immigration Judge hearing to any person who claims to be a returning lawful permanent resident alien as long as CBP confirms that the person has EVER been admitted to LPR."

Read the rest of the post and the thread for context, but this suggests to me that you would not be turned away at the border---they *must* let you in for a judge to decide if you've abandoned or not. I know that the author of that quote says that he is one of the FEW immigration lawyers in the US who has seriously studied abandonment. He wouldn't answer a Q like yours online, but you can contact him for a consultation. He's a decent fellow and won't blow smoke at you.
Donna A
i am assuming u are a doctor and thats why u r studying for ur USMLE exams? if all else fails and u are not able to come back that way then can u take those exams and come back thru a work visa?

i will tell u this...study for those exams very well. it is very hard for anyone to get a job with low scores. they want at least 80 or above on both step 1 and 2. my husband knows this very well.
Sweetgirl
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 10:56 PM) *

Thanks every one for your sincere wishes. But it does seem like a hopeless situation for me and my daughter. I haven't yet heard from the social worker of the NGO I had written to about seeking advice on this matter from an immigration attorney. And time is running out.

God this is difficult. If I spend my meagre savings on the air fare, only to be denied entry and to be turned back that would be horrible for me and my daughter.

I really am at a loss as to what to do. Should I take that risk or abondon the idea completely. And if I abondon the idea of coming back to USA then I am left to face the tough time I have been facing since my return to my country. I wish there was some no man's land here on this earth where I could just disappear and be at peace. Sartre had once said that "Hell is other people". And I know exactly what that means. Here in my country it is a very difficult life for a divorced woman.


Hi Again Laila!
I suggest to you to get a plain tickets to the U.S as soon as possible! Even if you didnt obtain a re-entry permit you might still be allowed to the U.S . You should be ready for a different questions might be asked at the U.S airport upon your arrival. Just be prepared for what to say if they ask.
If the thing as coming back to the U.S is the most important thing for you right now and your future and the future of your daughter will depend on it , if i were you i would defenetely get the plain tickets to the U.S and try this chance.
Who knows,they might not even gonna interigate you at the airport ,it will depend.
You should consult with the immigration atttorney on the phone before to fly over to the U.S if possible, so he or she might give you some ideas about if the possible questioning occur at the airport.
Even if you dont hire an immigration attorney right now,you will be able to hire one after you come back to the U.S.
I dont know,why did you leave the U.S in the first place even after the divorce? As your American husband signed the I-865 Alien of Sponsorship form and basically he is going to be reponsible for you until you become a Citizen. Your husband had no right to kick you out from the house and even if he did you could go to the Shelter and complain on him. Especially if he was so abusive as you say,you might of get a lots of benefits upon the Court Order as he must financially support you here.
Anyways,get a plain tickets and come back as soon as possible,you should take that risk and be mentaly prepared fro the possible questioning.Everything might turn out to the positive and not so horrible ,you know.. good.gif
Please let us know how everything went through.
My Best wishes. rose.gif
Good luck!
Sincerely.




QUOTE(laila @ Jul 7 2006, 10:56 PM) *

Thanks every one for your sincere wishes. But it does seem like a hopeless situation for me and my daughter. I haven't yet heard from the social worker of the NGO I had written to about seeking advice on this matter from an immigration attorney. And time is running out.

God this is difficult. If I spend my meagre savings on the air fare, only to be denied entry and to be turned back that would be horrible for me and my daughter.

I really am at a loss as to what to do. Should I take that risk or abondon the idea completely. And if I abondon the idea of coming back to USA then I am left to face the tough time I have been facing since my return to my country. I wish there was some no man's land here on this earth where I could just disappear and be at peace. Sartre had once said that "Hell is other people". And I know exactly what that means. Here in my country it is a very difficult life for a divorced woman.


Hi Again Laila!
I suggest to you to get a plain tickets to the U.S as soon as possible! Even if you didnt obtain a re-entry permit you might still be allowed to the U.S . You should be ready for a different questions might be asked at the U.S airport upon your arrival. Just be prepared for what to say if they ask.
If the thing as coming back to the U.S is the most important thing for you right now and your future and the future of your daughter will depend on it , if i were you i would defenetely get the plain tickets to the U.S and try this chance.
Who knows,they might not even gonna interigate you at the airport ,it will depend.
You should consult with the immigration atttorney on the phone before to fly over to the U.S if possible, so he or she might give you some ideas about if the possible questioning occur at the airport.
Even if you dont hire an immigration attorney right now,you will be able to hire one after you come back to the U.S.
I dont know,why did you leave the U.S in the first place even after the divorce? As your American husband signed the I-865 Alien of Sponsorship form and basically he is going to be reponsible for you until you become a Citizen. Your husband had no right to kick you out from the house and even if he did you could go to the Shelter and complain on him. Especially if he was so abusive as you say,you might of get a lots of benefits upon the Court Order as he must financially support you here.
Anyways,get a plain tickets and come back as soon as possible,you should take that risk and be mentaly prepared fro the possible questioning.Everything might turn out to the positive and not so horrible ,you know.. good.gif I truly believe that they wont send you back. star_smile.gif
Please let us know how everything went through.
My Best wishes. rose.gif
Good luck!
Sincerely.


Boiler
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jul 8 2006, 04:18 PM) *

QUOTE(laila @ Jul 8 2006, 12:58 PM) *

Right now my main concern is being denied re-entry because of staying outside of USA so many months- specially in case of my daughter, that is why I want to return to US before her one year of stay outside USA is over.


laila, good on you for doing the research to help you speak more thoughtfully with a lawyer! I immediately thought of the following thread when I read your thread today.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showpost.ph...amp;postcount=2
" do note that the regulations DO guarantee an Immigration Judge hearing to any person who claims to be a returning lawful permanent resident alien as long as CBP confirms that the person has EVER been admitted to LPR."

Read the rest of the post and the thread for context, but this suggests to me that you would not be turned away at the border---they *must* let you in for a judge to decide if you've abandoned or not. I know that the author of that quote says that he is one of the FEW immigration lawyers in the US who has seriously studied abandonment. He wouldn't answer a Q like yours online, but you can contact him for a consultation. He's a decent fellow and won't blow smoke at you.


I would second the above.
laila
[quote name='Sweetgirl' date='Jul 8 2006, 10:11 PM' post='298557']
Hi Again Laila!
I suggest to you to get a plain tickets to the U.S as soon as possible! Even if you didnt obtain a re-entry permit you might still be allowed to the U.S . You should be ready for a different questions might be asked at the U.S airport upon your arrival. Just be prepared for what to say if they ask.
If the thing as coming back to the U.S is the most important thing for you right now and your future and the future of your daughter will depend on it , if i were you i would defenetely get the plain tickets to the U.S and try this chance.
Who knows,they might not even gonna interigate you at the airport ,it will depend.
You should consult with the immigration atttorney on the phone before to fly over to the U.S if possible, so he or she might give you some ideas about if the possible questioning occur at the airport.
Even if you dont hire an immigration attorney right now,you will be able to hire one after you come back to the U.S.
I dont know,why did you leave the U.S in the first place even after the divorce? As your American husband signed the I-865 Alien of Sponsorship form and basically he is going to be reponsible for you until you become a Citizen. Your husband had no right to kick you out from the house and even if he did you could go to the Shelter and complain on him. Especially if he was so abusive as you say,you might of get a lots of benefits upon the Court Order as he must financially support you here.
Anyways,get a plain tickets and come back as soon as possible,you should take that risk and be mentaly prepared fro the possible questioning.Everything might turn out to the positive and not so horrible ,you know.. good.gif
Please let us know how everything went through.
My Best wishes. rose.gif
Good luck!
Sincerely. [quote]

Thanks for your well wishes.
Why I came back to my country after the divorce? It is a long story. But like I said before at that time my daughter had to already rturn to Pkaistan because of the unhealthy and infact dangerous enviornment at home there. And I could not arrange to send for her to join me in US after my divorce.

As for my husband's abusive behaviour and lousy treament. I had to call the plocie twice. He was careful not to hit my for he said if I do that ( that is if he hits me) that would be held against him. But all the other abuse could not be seen or proved so that was ok.

As for the divorce proceedings, I got nothing, one reason was that my lawyer was lousy, all she did for a 1500 $ retainer ( paid by the NGO) was to make a few phone calls to my ex husband's lawyer, and to answer a few calls of mine, and once to fax me a document and once to go to court for the final hearing in Jnauary 2006 when I was no longer in US.

Second reason was that when our seperation and divorce started my ex husband 's attitude became all the more threatening and intimidating, he used to tell me all the time that " when he fights, he fights to win" and that " he plays dirty". He knew very well that I was all alone in USA. And he used it to his advantage. He had done the same with his ex wife # 2, some thing I learned much later on. I may be in a very difficult situation, even a life or death situation but I can not ever play dirty.

So I paid the heavy price in terms of monetrey loss, mental torture, emotional truama and now social stigmatization in my country.


I am wondering what kind of questions the immigration people might ask me and my daughter at the airport?

So I can prepare my self to answer them honestly but at the same time without sabotaging my self.







QUOTE(Boiler @ Jul 8 2006, 10:53 PM) *

QUOTE(meauxna @ Jul 8 2006, 04:18 PM) *

QUOTE(laila @ Jul 8 2006, 12:58 PM) *

Right now my main concern is being denied re-entry because of staying outside of USA so many months- specially in case of my daughter, that is why I want to return to US before her one year of stay outside USA is over.


laila, good on you for doing the research to help you speak more thoughtfully with a lawyer! I immediately thought of the following thread when I read your thread today.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showpost.ph...amp;postcount=2
" do note that the regulations DO guarantee an Immigration Judge hearing to any person who claims to be a returning lawful permanent resident alien as long as CBP confirms that the person has EVER been admitted to LPR."

Read the rest of the post and the thread for context, but this suggests to me that you would not be turned away at the border---they *must* let you in for a judge to decide if you've abandoned or not. I know that the author of that quote says that he is one of the FEW immigration lawyers in the US who has seriously studied abandonment. He wouldn't answer a Q like yours online, but you can contact him for a consultation. He's a decent fellow and won't blow smoke at you.


I would second the above.



Thanks Boiler for the link. I have read it .And frankly I am just hoping that I am spared all the questioning at the airport or any where else. So probably I am hoping for a miracle. But I do beleive in them.
Right now my state of mind is on the lines of que sera sera. what will be will be.

Please do wish me well.
laila
QUOTE(meauxna @ Jul 8 2006, 05:18 PM) *


laila, good on you for doing the research to help you speak more thoughtfully with a lawyer! I immediately thought of the following thread when I read your thread today.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showpost.ph...amp;postcount=2
" do note that the regulations DO guarantee an Immigration Judge hearing to any person who claims to be a returning lawful permanent resident alien as long as CBP confirms that the person has EVER been admitted to LPR."

Read the rest of the post and the thread for context, but this suggests to me that you would not be turned away at the border---they *must* let you in for a judge to decide if you've abandoned or not. I know that the author of that quote says that he is one of the FEW immigration lawyers in the US who has seriously studied abandonment. He wouldn't answer a Q like yours online, but you can contact him for a consultation. He's a decent fellow and won't blow smoke at you.


Thanks meauxna for that link. It is early morning here and I need a cup of tea badly to get my brain cells working smile.gif

Again like I said to Boiler, I hope it never comes to that. That my and my daughter's good luck spares us all this trouble.

I have one more question to ask. Must we re-enter via the same port of entry we left from? I came to Houston and that is where my paper work was processed and now I am thinking of going to JFK there in the city one of my friend has an apartment and she would let me share it ( for rent ofcourse). So I have been thinking would going to a new place after a long stay away be a problem and would that raise some eyebrows and questions from the immigration officers?

I iwsh I could return to Houston, I know the city well and it is a lot cheaper than NYC or NJ, but I would need a place to live right way and without a job, with no credit histroy, and with no close friends I won't be able to find an apartment to rent.

Do you or any one else know of cheaper and still safre ways of staying at a place like YWCA while doing an apartment serach?

Or better still does any one know of safe apartment complexes in Houston which give apartments on monthly rent instead of a lease? And which don't aks for a job or salary stubbs?

I would really really appreciate helpful information in this matter.

Boiler
You can enter through any POE.

It makes no difference.

I can not help on the accomodation issue.
Sweetgirl
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 8 2006, 10:24 PM) *

QUOTE(meauxna @ Jul 8 2006, 05:18 PM) *


laila, good on you for doing the research to help you speak more thoughtfully with a lawyer! I immediately thought of the following thread when I read your thread today.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showpost.ph...amp;postcount=2
" do note that the regulations DO guarantee an Immigration Judge hearing to any person who claims to be a returning lawful permanent resident alien as long as CBP confirms that the person has EVER been admitted to LPR."

Read the rest of the post and the thread for context, but this suggests to me that you would not be turned away at the border---they *must* let you in for a judge to decide if you've abandoned or not. I know that the author of that quote says that he is one of the FEW immigration lawyers in the US who has seriously studied abandonment. He wouldn't answer a Q like yours online, but you can contact him for a consultation. He's a decent fellow and won't blow smoke at you.


Thanks meauxna for that link. It is early morning here and I need a cup of tea badly to get my brain cells working smile.gif

Again like I said to Boiler, I hope it never comes to that. That my and my daughter's good luck spares us all this trouble.

I have one more question to ask. Must we re-enter via the same port of entry we left from? I came to Houston and that is where my paper work was processed and now I am thinking of going to JFK there in the city one of my friend has an apartment and she would let me share it ( for rent ofcourse). So I have been thinking would going to a new place after a long stay away be a problem and would that raise some eyebrows and questions from the immigration officers?

I iwsh I could return to Houston, I know the city well and it is a lot cheaper than NYC or NJ, but I would need a place to live right way and without a job, with no credit histroy, and with no close friends I won't be able to find an apartment to rent.

Do you or any one else know of cheaper and still safre ways of staying at a place like YWCA while doing an apartment serach?

Or better still does any one know of safe apartment complexes in Houston which give apartments on monthly rent instead of a lease? And which don't aks for a job or salary stubbs?

I would really really appreciate helpful information in this matter.


HI Laila!
You can re-entry any U.S port of entry you would like it doesent matter.
I would suggest to you to go to the place where your friend is located and you can share rent with your firend. I think that this would be a better idea for you right now as you at least have a friend there.
There might be some month -to -month rents available i am sure ,if you are looking for the Rents in Houston.
You should try the www.google.com ,where you can indicate what are u looking for.
Also go to the www.rent.com its a good website.
I dont know what kind of questions you re gonna be asked excactly ,but i am assuming that they defenetely gonna ask something like... Why you were absent from the U.S for a such a long time?
Or Why you didnt obtain the re-entry permit? Whats your adress in U.S? Are you still married? Where is your husband? and etc....
They might ask or might not ask anything at all and just say Welcome home you know....
My Best wishes.
Sincerely.

laila
[quote name='Sweetgirl' date='Jul 9 2006, 01:37 AM' post='298679']
[/quote]

HI Laila!
You can re-entry any U.S port of entry you would like it doesent matter.
I would suggest to you to go to the place where your friend is located and you can share rent with your firend. I think that this would be a better idea for you right now as you at least have a friend there.
There might be some month -to -month rents available i am sure ,if you are looking for the Rents in Houston.
You should try the www.google.com ,where you can indicate what are u looking for.
Also go to the www.rent.com its a good website.
I dont know what kind of questions you re gonna be asked excactly ,but i am assuming that they defenetely gonna ask something like... Why you were absent from the U.S for a such a long time?
Or Why you didnt obtain the re-entry permit? Whats your adress in U.S? Are you still married? Where is your husband? and etc....
They might ask or might not ask anything at all and just say Welcome home you know....
My Best wishes.
Sincerely.
[/quote]

Thanks Sweetgirl,

I think if they ask me about why I stayed outside USA for so long I would be able to answer that satisfactorily. But if they ask me about my marriage and husband and my current address, I would have a hard time coming up with an answer which is not a lie and which does not compromise my case. I just hope they won't ask any questions at all and would just wish me good luck. Oh how I wish it would be as easy and as simple as that.
laila
An update:

I had emailed to the lawyer Psoft told me about. The lawyer emailed me back soon. Basically what he said was that I had better get to USA ASAP before my daughter's stay outside USA exceeds one year. And most likely I won't have any problems in re-entrying. Though I may be asked why I stay away for so long and do I still have some proof of residence in USA.
diadromous mermaid
The answer would be quite simple, I'd imagine. I left the USA to join my daughter and to avail myself of the comfort of my family whilst going through a tricky and emotionally charged divorce from my US citizen husband. smile.gif

Sweetgirl
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 9 2006, 06:58 AM) *

An update:

I had emailed to the lawyer Psoft told me about. The lawyer emailed me back soon. Basically what he said was that I had better get to USA ASAP before my daughter's stay outside USA exceeds one year. And most likely I won't have any problems in re-entrying. Though I may be asked why I stay away for so long and do I still have some proof of residence in USA.

Hi Leila,
Thats true .You should defenetely get the plain tickets for the soonest date as possible as it wil be better for you and for your daughter. You should get a reasonable good answer on why you have stayed away so long outside of the U.S .r Work different variations on the possible questions in your head so you will be ready to give a good answer in case if they ask.As about of some proof of Residence in USA i dont know what to tell you,do you have any proof? Probably the Bank account and your exams? or anything else maybe?
You should defenetely take a chance and come back as everything might gonna be fine at the airport but just be prepared with the good answers ,just in case anyway.
Best Wishes.
Sincerely.
meauxna
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 8 2006, 11:51 PM) *

I think if they ask me about why I stayed outside USA for so long I would be able to answer that satisfactorily. But if they ask me about my marriage and husband and my current address, I would have a hard time coming up with an answer which is not a lie and which does not compromise my case. I just hope they won't ask any questions at all and would just wish me good luck. Oh how I wish it would be as easy and as simple as that.


My husband returned to the US alone a couple of times--he was never questioned about our marriage or current address, simply 'How long have you been gone?' & 'Welcome Home'. It is perfectly reasonable for you to ahve gone to your home country for an extended visit with your family; I would not be nervous as you are not trying to do anything wrong.

You also do not have to go to Houston directly (or at all); if you have a friend you can stay with, all the better. I recommend the site www.craigslist.org (choose your specific sity) for lots of kinds of housing including sublets or temporary furnished places. Any sort of website or group that serves your ethnic or religious community would be a good help too.

It sounds like you are building your courage to do what is right for you and your family!
dmartmar
QUOTE
have asked the social worker for the NGO which helped me during those difficult times to consult a US immigration attorney on my behalf and let me know what he thinks of my case. I hope I hear from them very soon. Because if I am to get to USA I better do it before mid July as that would make a year for my daughter's stay outside of USA. I had to bring her back to my home country as the situation over there was getting worse and worse with my ex-husband's teenaged son's involvement in drugs and watching porno movies with his male friends at home. I did not feel it to be a safe environment for my daughter.


QUOTE
diadromous mermaid,
my time line is:

- got married in April 2003 in my country.
-Ex husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-Got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-Came to USA in Oct 2004
-Got conditional green cards in June 2005
- My daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
- Divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-Divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.


But according to your timeline, apparently the environment was "safe" enough for you and your daughter to hold out until you got your GCs, then moved out the month after you got them.
laila
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 02:30 AM) *

QUOTE
have asked the social worker for the NGO which helped me during those difficult times to consult a US immigration attorney on my behalf and let me know what he thinks of my case. I hope I hear from them very soon. Because if I am to get to USA I better do it before mid July as that would make a year for my daughter's stay outside of USA. I had to bring her back to my home country as the situation over there was getting worse and worse with my ex-husband's teenaged son's involvement in drugs and watching porno movies with his male friends at home. I did not feel it to be a safe environment for my daughter.


QUOTE
diadromous mermaid,
my time line is:

- got married in April 2003 in my country.
-Ex husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-Got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-Came to USA in Oct 2004
-Got conditional green cards in June 2005
- My daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
- Divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-Divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.


But according to your timeline, apparently the environment was "safe" enough for you and your daughter to hold out until you got your GCs, then moved out the month after you got them.


No. I think you are misunderstanding me. Probably because of the missing information.
We got here in Oct 2004. At that time it was just me , my daughter and my then husband.
His son got back from UK end of January 2005. For the first couple of months he did not get into any drugs or porno stuff and his friends were nice boys.
Then he made friends with junkies, got into drugs and pornogrpahy, breaking in the house with his friends in early morning hours and other stuff. That started happening around April/ May. And things went bad pretty quickly. That was when I really felt that my daughter was not safe there.
I did not marry my ex husband for the green card. If that is what you are implying at. If I had I would have not returned to my country even before my divorce decree was awarded.
dmartmar
QUOTE
I did not marry my ex husband for the green card. If that is what you are implying at. If I had, I would have not returned to my country even before my divorce decree was awarded.


But YOU DID return to your country AFTER you got the green card!
laila
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE
I did not marry my ex husband for the green card. If that is what you are implying at. If I had, I would have not returned to my country even before my divorce decree was awarded.


But YOU DID return to your country AFTER you got the green card!


Getting that two year green card and returning to my country did not at all mean that I could benefit from that green card in any way. And had I and my daughter not to face any stigmatization I would not have been thinking about getting back to USA.

Why do you find it so hard to understand?
john_and_marlene
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 14 2006, 11:15 AM) *

QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE
I did not marry my ex husband for the green card. If that is what you are implying at. If I had, I would have not returned to my country even before my divorce decree was awarded.


But YOU DID return to your country AFTER you got the green card!


Getting that two year green card and returning to my country did not at all mean that I could benefit from that green card in any way. And had I and my daughter not to face any stigmatization I would not have been thinking about getting back to USA.

Why do you find it so hard to understand?

Because he got burned and has lost any objective perspective.
laila
QUOTE(john_and_marlene @ Jul 14 2006, 12:17 PM) *

QUOTE(laila @ Jul 14 2006, 11:15 AM) *

QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE
I did not marry my ex husband for the green card. If that is what you are implying at. If I had, I would have not returned to my country even before my divorce decree was awarded.


But YOU DID return to your country AFTER you got the green card!


Getting that two year green card and returning to my country did not at all mean that I could benefit from that green card in any way. And had I and my daughter not to face any stigmatization I would not have been thinking about getting back to USA.

Why do you find it so hard to understand?

Because he got burned and has lost any objective perspective.


I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.
vartan
QUOTE
I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I have seen this before and this is just my observations but many times the bad aspects of the marriage wont come out until that green card.. Now I don't know your situation completely so these are just assumptions.. But when you don't have your green card you are pretty much reliant on him to help you get it .. without him you can't.. and so that is power.. once you get the green card the power he had over you is gone and makes them scared and resort to violence aggression, etc.. to keep you "in line" This is just what I have seen with some of my family members..

john_and_marlene
QUOTE(laila @ Jul 14 2006, 11:52 AM) *

QUOTE(john_and_marlene @ Jul 14 2006, 12:17 PM) *

QUOTE(laila @ Jul 14 2006, 11:15 AM) *

QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE
I did not marry my ex husband for the green card. If that is what you are implying at. If I had, I would have not returned to my country even before my divorce decree was awarded.


But YOU DID return to your country AFTER you got the green card!


Getting that two year green card and returning to my country did not at all mean that I could benefit from that green card in any way. And had I and my daughter not to face any stigmatization I would not have been thinking about getting back to USA.

Why do you find it so hard to understand?

Because he got burned and has lost any objective perspective.


I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I agree
dmartmar
QUOTE
I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I am suspicious of you on your account, just based on the below info. YOU posted:

QUOTE
my time line is:

-got married in April 2003 in my country.
-ex-husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-came to USA in Oct 2004
-got conditional green cards in June 2005
-my daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
-divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.

No. I think you are misunderstanding me. Probably because of the missing information.
We got here in Oct 2004. At that time it was just me , my daughter and my then husband.

His son got back from UK end of January 2005. For the first couple of months he did not get into any drugs or porno stuff and his friends were nice boys.

Then he made friends with junkies, got into drugs and pornogrpahy, breaking in the house with his friends in early morning hours and other stuff. That started happening around April/ May. And things went bad pretty quickly. That was when I really felt that my daughter was not safe there.


You say his son got back home at the end of Jan. '05 and didn't start doing drugs and/or watching porno until April or May of that same year. So basically, you and your daughter stayed in that "unsafe" environment throughout the whole month of June, which coincidentally is the month you got your GCs in, then exactly a month later (July) you sent your daughter back home, but already with a GC in hand.

If it was so "unsafe" and "dangerous" to live in the same household before you both got your GCs; why did you then wait until AFTER you got your GCs to leave?
gimygirl
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 01:42 PM) *



I am suspicious of you on your account, just based on the below info.



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laila
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 01:42 PM) *

QUOTE
I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I am suspicious of you on your account, just based on the below info. YOU posted:

QUOTE
my time line is:

-got married in April 2003 in my country.
-ex-husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-came to USA in Oct 2004
-got conditional green cards in June 2005
-my daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
-divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.

No. I think you are misunderstanding me. Probably because of the missing information.
We got here in Oct 2004. At that time it was just me , my daughter and my then husband.

His son got back from UK end of January 2005. For the first couple of months he did not get into any drugs or porno stuff and his friends were nice boys.

Then he made friends with junkies, got into drugs and pornogrpahy, breaking in the house with his friends in early morning hours and other stuff. That started happening around April/ May. And things went bad pretty quickly. That was when I really felt that my daughter was not safe there.


You say his son got back home at the end of Jan. '05 and didn't start doing drugs and/or watching porno until April or May of that same year. So basically, you and your daughter stayed in that "unsafe" environment throughout the whole month of June, which coincidentally is the month you got your GCs in, then exactly a month later (July) you sent your daughter back home, but already with a GC in hand.

If it was so "unsafe" and "dangerous" to live in the same household before you both got your GCs; why did you then wait until AFTER you got your GCs to leave?


You are welcome to be as suspicious of me as you wish to be. You don't have the whole picture of all that went wrong and why. And how much I suffered and lost because of that mariage. And I am not going to waste my time or your time trying to explain my self to you.
diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 01:42 PM) *

QUOTE
I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I am suspicious of you on your account, just based on the below info. YOU posted:

QUOTE
my time line is:

-got married in April 2003 in my country.
-ex-husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-came to USA in Oct 2004
-got conditional green cards in June 2005
-my daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
-divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.

No. I think you are misunderstanding me. Probably because of the missing information.
We got here in Oct 2004. At that time it was just me , my daughter and my then husband.

His son got back from UK end of January 2005. For the first couple of months he did not get into any drugs or porno stuff and his friends were nice boys.

Then he made friends with junkies, got into drugs and pornogrpahy, breaking in the house with his friends in early morning hours and other stuff. That started happening around April/ May. And things went bad pretty quickly. That was when I really felt that my daughter was not safe there.


You say his son got back home at the end of Jan. '05 and didn't start doing drugs and/or watching porno until April or May of that same year. So basically, you and your daughter stayed in that "unsafe" environment throughout the whole month of June, which coincidentally is the month you got your GCs in, then exactly a month later (July) you sent your daughter back home, but already with a GC in hand.

If it was so "unsafe" and "dangerous" to live in the same household before you both got your GCs; why did you then wait until AFTER you got your GCs to leave?


dmartmar,
While occasionally you do have an acute perception of possible underpinnings, in this case, *if* an alien was only intent upon tolerating a union/relationship until receiving a green card, and once in his/her trusty hands,promptly move to terminate the marriage, why on earth would the alien move out of the country? Wouldn't "down the street" have achieved your alledged objective? wink.gif
john_and_marlene
QUOTE(diadromous mermaid @ Jul 14 2006, 01:19 PM) *

QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 01:42 PM) *

QUOTE
I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I am suspicious of you on your account, just based on the below info. YOU posted:

QUOTE
my time line is:

-got married in April 2003 in my country.
-ex-husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-came to USA in Oct 2004
-got conditional green cards in June 2005
-my daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
-divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.

No. I think you are misunderstanding me. Probably because of the missing information.
We got here in Oct 2004. At that time it was just me , my daughter and my then husband.

His son got back from UK end of January 2005. For the first couple of months he did not get into any drugs or porno stuff and his friends were nice boys.

Then he made friends with junkies, got into drugs and pornogrpahy, breaking in the house with his friends in early morning hours and other stuff. That started happening around April/ May. And things went bad pretty quickly. That was when I really felt that my daughter was not safe there.


You say his son got back home at the end of Jan. '05 and didn't start doing drugs and/or watching porno until April or May of that same year. So basically, you and your daughter stayed in that "unsafe" environment throughout the whole month of June, which coincidentally is the month you got your GCs in, then exactly a month later (July) you sent your daughter back home, but already with a GC in hand.

If it was so "unsafe" and "dangerous" to live in the same household before you both got your GCs; why did you then wait until AFTER you got your GCs to leave?


dmartmar,
While occasionally you do have an acute perception of possible underpinnings, in this case, *if* an alien was only intent upon tolerating a union/relationship until receiving a green card, and once in his/her trusty hands,promptly move to terminate the marriage, why on earth would the alien move out of the country? Wouldn't "down the street" have achieved your alledged objective? wink.gif


I don't think he looks at the positives of any case, he only points out individual conditions that support his suspicious mind. I must say that in many posts similar to this, there are no positives, but that is not the case here.
Boiler
QUOTE(diadromous mermaid @ Jul 14 2006, 12:19 PM) *

QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 01:42 PM) *

QUOTE
I am sorry that he got burned. But it is not healthy or fair to become suspicious of every one else on account of one person.


I am suspicious of you on your account, just based on the below info. YOU posted:

QUOTE
my time line is:

-got married in April 2003 in my country.
-ex-husband applied for K-1 visa in May 2003
-got K-1 and K-2 Visas in June 2004.
-came to USA in Oct 2004
-got conditional green cards in June 2005
-my daughter was sent back home because of the unsafe environment in July 2005
-divorce filed by husband, as I did not have filing fees in Oct 2005.
-I signed the divorce papers in Nov 2005 and came back to my country.
-divorce decree awarded by court in Jan 2006, my lawyer represented me at the court.

No. I think you are misunderstanding me. Probably because of the missing information.
We got here in Oct 2004. At that time it was just me , my daughter and my then husband.

His son got back from UK end of January 2005. For the first couple of months he did not get into any drugs or porno stuff and his friends were nice boys.

Then he made friends with junkies, got into drugs and pornogrpahy, breaking in the house with his friends in early morning hours and other stuff. That started happening around April/ May. And things went bad pretty quickly. That was when I really felt that my daughter was not safe there.


You say his son got back home at the end of Jan. '05 and didn't start doing drugs and/or watching porno until April or May of that same year. So basically, you and your daughter stayed in that "unsafe" environment throughout the whole month of June, which coincidentally is the month you got your GCs in, then exactly a month later (July) you sent your daughter back home, but already with a GC in hand.

If it was so "unsafe" and "dangerous" to live in the same household before you both got your GCs; why did you then wait until AFTER you got your GCs to leave?


dmartmar,
While occasionally you do have an acute perception of possible underpinnings, in this case, *if* an alien was only intent upon tolerating a union/relationship until receiving a green card, and once in his/her trusty hands,promptly move to terminate the marriage, why on earth would the alien move out of the country? Wouldn't "down the street" have achieved your alledged objective? wink.gif


I had the same thought when I first saw this post, but decided on the benefit of doubt for this very reason.
dmartmar
QUOTE
dmartmar,

While occasionally you do have an acute perception of possible underpinnings, in this case, *if* an alien was only intent upon tolerating a union/relationship until receiving a green card, and once in his/her trusty hands,promptly move to terminate the marriage, why on earth would the alien move out of the country? Wouldn't "down the street" have achieved your alledged objective?


Then why on earth would the alien want to return to the US?
Sweetgirl
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Jul 14 2006, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE
dmartmar,

While occasionally you do have an acute perception of possible underpinnings, in this case, *if* an alien was only intent upon tolerating a union/relationship until receiving a green card, and once in his/her trusty hands,promptly move to terminate the marriage, why on earth would the alien move out of the country? Wouldn't "down the street" have achieved your alledged objective?


Then why on earth would the alien want to return to the US?


Hi! My God! What are you talking about here?
I absolutely disagree with you about the Leila's intention to get married for the Green Card.
I can tell you why would she wanna go back to the U.S. As she said that she is having the very difficult situation in her home country and especially her little daughter future is gonna be unpredicted under these terrible circumstances going on in her country.
Her home country is against her and her innocent daughter and actually ,as far as i know, in the Arabic countries women are treated not very good by the men, and women are not allowed to professionally succed there as well and especially that she got divorced and came back to her home country everyone and not just men are gonna be negative to her. She is facing a very difficult situation from the psychological and emotional point of view.
Yes ,she has made a little mistake by marrying that abusive american guy also as you basically cant really know who are you dating to until you marry them and thats when the real personality comes up bad or good,depends,but it doesent mean that she has to suffer emotionally from his bad actions and incase of divorce to be returned back to her home country.
The marriage was entered in good faith and thats what matters.Who cares further?
Its basically none one elses business. She absolutely didnt commit any fraudulent act.
We are here for to help her and not to judge her.
Laila,you should come back to the US as soon as possible .As if you overstay a year ,you might have problems in the US customs.
Best Wishes. rose.gif
Sincerely.



pj1959us
QUOTE(Sweetgirl @ Jul 15 2006, 12:21 AM) *

She absolutely didnt commit any fraudulent act.


Excluding being married in her country, applying for a K-1 and marrying again in the US, of course.

But, as has been said, none of our business and since we shouldn't wish ill will, then the best of luck to she and her child. Sorry that you have had such problems after trying to rebuild your life and hope that issues are resolved for you. rose.gif
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