i am wondering how if at all it would affect us if we decided to move to a 3rd country while doing our paperwork.....i am seriously having issues living here in lebanon especially because his family wants to be in every decision we make.......they are so loving and kind and i respect them but this is our lives and the decisions we make will affect us forever........anyway.....how would we go about moving to the 3rd country if it wouldnt be a problem, and how would we file our paperwrk in that country to cme back to the us?? we are about to start filing our 130 and know we will have to file a waiver after that is dne.............anyone have any insight please let me know thank you thank you......and any good ideas on what country wuld be good

whew. you have alot going on. you said a mouthful. ok.
you are already saying you have to file a waiver, you dont want your husbands family your business and you are considering a 3rd country. what a mix of AR/AP HELL for you. here is why 1st.. you are working with the embassy in Lebanon. its a muslim nation. this country is a T26 country. your delay will be Extemely long if you use a 3rd country. btw, here is a list of the T27 countries:

Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.


those coming from those above countries are subject to what is called AR/AP admin reivew and admin processing< endless waiting > . dont be surprised if the embassy decided to later on in the process - to visit his family. trust me they can do this. the embassy visited my husbands family 2 times.

you are adding to the mix needing a waiver. you will have to file the waiver AFTER your interview if you need one. my advise to you is..

1.. file the I-130 < CR1 >
2., when you get reciept of the I-130
3.. YOU- proceed with the I-129F forms.< K-3 >
follow ALL steps because you are dealing with a muslim nation.
there could be a long delay in approval of I-130. if that is the case or not
you need to follow though with I-129f. unless the I-30 makes it to the embassy first.

now back to your husbands family..
you talk about you want them out your business guess what.
you need them!! its to your advantage and husband advantage if
he has supportive letters and cards from your family and you have letters from his family. if the USICS decide to interview YOU < USC>
and it can be done. it happend to me too. you have proof your family is accepting of you. and yours is accepting of him. - understand.

so what if you use a 3rd country?..
is like in your case. opening a can of AR/AP on your head.
AR can take 19 days to ENDLESS days.
you dont want that. I know people on AR over 2 years!!!
let that not be YOU.
stick with one country dont add to your wait time.

Hello and Shonjaved is quiet right if you mix a third country your putting yourself in for a long AR/AP wait. You need to file and proceed without adding any more countries. Most men coming from Asia/ME/Muslim countries take longer to get into the USA. They have AR and or AP or both once you are interviewed. You really need supportive family during this process because the embassy can come to home and make sure the marriage is valid and ask if the family accepts the USC spouse. We had a field investigation as well. We have been on AP since Dec 12, 2005. I will say get your paperwork in order and if you can stay together that is great. If not you need to pray for patience and understanding during this process. Good luck.


Mary

hi and thank you for the replies. i am just curious why we would have to file for a fiancee visa when we are already married and we got married in the usa?? we got married while George was in removal proceedings and i came with him. its not that his family doesnt support the marriege. actually they do, and they are very loving. its just i am american and i am not used to how families work here and everyone wants to know everything............................we will stay here in lebanon but i guess maybe consider moving to a diff apartment. .........i am very confused

I am sorry I cannot offer any more advice. But I do know if you change processing with countries it can mean a very long delay and AR since one girl from Islamabad they changed countries and it has taken them close to year and half to finally complete their processing.

Secondly, you have no timeline and did not say you were married already and that he was in deportation proceedings. So the other poster and myself thought you were engaged.

Please update your timeline and maybe someone can advise you better. Take care and keep strong.

Mary

You don't have to file a fiance Visa. The I-130 is for marriage and usually takes about 2-3 months for the process from there. Or at least it used to take about to months. It is actually quicker to file from there. If you think his family is interfering too much, have him talk to them. I get the impression from you that they are reasonable people and they will understand. I am sure he knows how to deal with his family. It might be better if you guys can afford to get your own place. Dealing with another country will only cause you more problems.

Why don't you spend this time preparing your letter of hardship. Keep your self busy. lebanon is a beautiful place with a lot of places to go. Have him take you out. There are beautiful places by the water. If you keep stressing about this stuff, it will drive you crazy.

you have alot going on in your situation. I-130 and I-129f is what YOU need to file.
yes it sayes for fiancee but. its NOT jsut for fiancee. I think really since you have deportation proceeding issues, marriage... whole lot of drama.. you need to seek the advise of an attorney. good luck

Thank you for the reply....we have an appt set for Feb 22 at 9am to file the application, the I130....what should we expect that day? any ideas? both of us have to be present.......when i called to make the appt after waiting on hold for 30 mins the man asked for my name, his name and the date we got married....and then said the time of our appt.....and told us to make sure we have everything. i am just wondering how long it will take from there and what to expect after that..........................so we dont have to file an I129f too?? this is all so confusing





yikes that is alot to take in...some say yes i need to file both some say no...when i called the embassy to make our appt to file they said we needed to file the 130 and gave us an appt to do so....in the states he had a lawyer but it is kind of difficult to use that lawyer when we are both living in Lebanon.......thank you for the reply

First make sure you have all the papers you need and your application fee with you. Check and make sure you have everything filled out correctly. You are going to go in and give them the papers. They will look over them and most likely ( or at least that is the norm) tell you that they will call you for an appointment. If you ask them about how long that will be, you are going to get different answers from different people. Honestly, the time it will take varies. They might or might not take fingure prints that day. Make sure you have that fee also, incase they do. Just keep this in mind, the embassy in lebanon is better then most. You shouldn't wait there that long.

Your filling from lebanon. You probably won't need the I-129f. That for is for your husband to come to the US and wait with you while his file is being processed.

Once you drop off the papers, Get the I-601 and I-212 Forms filled out and ready. Wright your Hardship letter and get your proof together. Once you have the interview, they will tell you that you need to fill out these forms. You can hand them at that time the Waivers with all the evidence. These will be sent to Athens. (I'm still waiting on mine to be sent. It has been over 2 weeks) Athens Sorry to say drags its feet. This whole process will probably take about one year and 3 months to a year and half.

So it is impossible for the k3 to be approved for dh because he was removed and needs a waiver?? i wish we could just go back to the us while all of this is processed...........none of the people at the embassy speak very good english that i have had expirence with so far, and i dont speak arabic so i struggle a little, because i dont want dh to do all the talking and for them to think this is all for him............he had been fingerprinted while he was in the states, he has to do it again i guess.........is there a form for that? do we have to file both the 212 and 601?? we are willing to do anything and i am really hoping it doesnt take too awful long. i have a son from a previous marriege and his dad wnt let him come to be with me..........i miss him and i cant be away frm him for so long.......with all the fees we are paying for uscis it is impossible for me to travel back and forth right now..............will they take into consideration that i am here with him?? i am on a mult entry visa and since we didnt register the marriege at the leb con in ny we have to get it signed by the foriegn minister and sent there before i can apply for residency here..........yikes lol...........this is all so much. the change of everything and all this pressure. dh and i are together i understand that is important but i miss the states and my family thank you again

I'm sorry to say that there is a very slim chance to no chance that he will be approved. We Fiance was given voluntary departure 6 years ago. They where ready to give the visa, but once they saw that, they gave the forms and told them that when they are ready to call them for an appointment to turn them in.

Your child being in the US is a main thing you will have to put in the hardship letter. I don't know what the effect of you being in lebanon will have on your case. Read the example of other Hardship letters before you wright yours.

There english isn't great but you can still communicate. Speak Slow and if they don't understand something, have your husband translate to them. In the interview, the Officer will be American. I assume your husband speaks english and you won't need a translator so you should be able communicate fine. please Ask if you have any questions.

will the inital forms be processed here or are they going to send them back to new york?? we were married in the states and i am only here on a visit visa so how does the filing work? i am sorry to ask so many questions.............

well i guess it isnt really worth the money in applying for the k3 if he wont get it........do you think anyone can assist us in telling us what processes we will need?? yes George speaks very good english, i am hoping that this all goes smoothly....................

getting a physc report because of the serious emotional and health affects this is having on me, does that count and do i have to go to a special physc one they approve or any and just get copies of all the reports and the time line in my continuing therapy?

Thank you.

I am not sure where they will process the papers. I think they process them at the embassy.

You have to apply and interview before you can apply for the Waiver. There has to be case pending. They will tell you what you need to do as each step comes. They will not tell you in advance. You might want to consult with an attorney.

Are you planning on staying there with him during the process? If so I think you can apply as living in lebanon. That process is usually faster.

The medical report of what effect physically and mentally this has caused is another thing you can put for the waiver. Are you guys registered as married in Lebanon.

And feel free to ask all the questions you have.

We will be registerd as married here soon. we have to take our marriage certificate to the foriegn minister and have it sent to ny.......then we get it back and i can file for my residency........so the medical report can be from any licensed phys? i want to stay here with him. he is my everything.......my family means a great deal to me and i want my son here but the law wont let him come...................he did have a lawyer when we were in the states and she wants 600 just to write the hardship letter.......plus the fees to send it and all that......the other lawyers i have talked to want thousands of dollars just to look at the case.......with all the money we are going to put into this we will be broke before we come back to the us........is it okay for him to work here or will that delay things because he is making money???....thank you!!

This is a lengthy process. He will have to work down there...I think it is the physician you are seeing. These papers are the for the waiver. You won't need them for the initial filling. My lawyer wanted 2500 to write the waiver. I told him to take a hike.

i am not seeing a dr here yet, but i am on the look. i need to find a dr that speaks english obviously....i am hoping we will be able to be back in the states within 2yrs but im not sure that is possible............one lawyer we talked to wanted 7000 just to touch the case!! very messy..........he has paid his other lawyer around 6000 and she hasnt done anything for him!!! so we will probably contact her a few times but other then that i think we will have to do this alone.......scarey....we are in a sticky situation and we were even told by some that there were no waivers, no chances for him to ever come back......the deportation officer told him there were.......he has a 10yr ban, i am not ready to live here 10yrs......so lets hope this waiver works!! Thanks again. Good luck with everything you are going thru and thanks for answering me, at least i knw im not alone it is helpful knwing that

there is nothing stopping you from coming to the USA. you just cant bring your husband with you. depending on how long you been out of the country < 11 months or more > you will have other possible issues such as domicile issues. - so you really need the advise of an attorney. no one on VJ is qualified to give you advise in lu of having legal consultation. your case is very complexed

Best site is www.immigrate2us.net for waivers, and when thinking of moving countries you need to consider which would allow you entry.

We are in contact with his immigration attorney that he was using during removal. she is assisting us with some of the steps.......yes i can go back to the usa anytime i want i am a USC have been all my life, born and raised. but that isnt my problem, while i dont want to be away from my family and friends, i cant be away from my husband! ive only been out of the country for 1mth and like 2 days so far.



yes i am a member of that site too.

You arent doing your 601 waiver case any good by living in Leb. They are going to ask where is the hardship if you are living together. Hardships are supposed to based upon why it is a hardship for you to leave the US and live in the foreign country. Appartently there is no hardship if you are able to do exactly that.

There are plenty of USC spouses that go to be with their allien spouse during this! I have a child in the us from my first marriage and his father WILL NOT let me take him out of the country. I have a lot of other factors wrking for me. It isnt all about being together or seperate, its about the fact that I CANTT live in this country, and i cant be away from my husband and i also cant be without my family, and a language that i can understand, and things im used to, and health care that is up to standards expected by americans........a lot of other things play a role........if i werent with him they may ask if we are really in a loving commited marriage because of his other issues, i am with him however and i love him, and i am willing to do anything

Desert fox has a point. normally the hardship has to deal with YOU.
you being with him is not a hardhip. even if you were pregante its not a hardship. you also living in LEB is also gonna make your case more complexed- like I said you could have potental have domicile issues.

one thing they asked me at my interview < USC> they asked me what would I do. if I had to live in my husbands country - if he was denied his visa. - I told them I would not get a job and I did not speak URDU life would be hard. the point is.. you are already establishing that you would not have a problem living in LEB. so think this though and dont make your case more complex. you realize its gonna already take a year at the least to sort this out.

see how many waivers are comming out of LEB and how long it took.

its taken us 1 year.

But you see i DO have a problem living here, a VERY BIG problem, i so dont want to be here, i want to be home in the United States, with my son and with my husband! I am seeking physc help because of all this and what it is doing to me..........I have read on the other site that USCIS doesnt even need to know i am living here............and some say it doesnt affect the outcome of the waiver..........we know it is going to be a lengthy process but that cant mean that we shouldnt try.........................what do you mean domicile issues? i am not pregnant at this point in the process but if i were to become that way there are alot of points around that, such as the hospital care here is expensive and the income is maybe 300-500 usd a mth, that isnt enough for anything, and the way of life isnt standard! The country is at a state of unrest and possible war could occur anytime because of all the tension between religions and other parties. it is hard for me to comphrehend being away from my husband, i didnt get married to him to be seperated from him! his lawyer is telling us that with her help we can work this thru and hopefully see the us in abut 2yrs or so, at least that isnt telling us flat out no way or that it will be 10 years

The fact that the middle east right now is unstable is a major point working for you. There really isn't much waivers on this site or the other going through Athens and my case is the only other case going through lebanon. The thing with waivers is that they say that seperation is not a harpship so basically we have to pray that the person that makes the decision has a heart.

if this is was a typical no drama case. the typical wait would have been possible 1 year. because of all the AR/AP those men comming from islamic nations normally face in the name of required "security checks".
some people can get thought it a little faster. those are people who pretty much have a normal case. this varies deponding on the embassy.. BUTTT.. your CASES... uhmmm

the factors working against you..
1. if you stay with your husband in a country for 11 months or more.
you MUST prove domicile. if you cant you just added alot of time to the WAIT you will face.
a ) you have NO job.
you need to have a Co SPonser.
c) the USICS already need 3 years W-2 from YOU and CO sponser.
d) this co sponser must make enough income for YOU , HUBBY and CHILD. not to mention the CO sponsers family. < this is a very hard task >
2. your husband is from islamic country. that right there is a requirement for ADMIN REVIEW can take 19 days to ENDLESS. I have seen people be on it for as long as 2 years.

3. the fact you have a waiver. add another possible year. you cant begin to get that even considerd til after the interview.
a) you applying the waivers. uhmm

4. involving another country- add MORE time to the mix.

like i said YOU need an immigration attorney your case is very COMPLEX. you are trying to make it WORSE by adding another country. really that is proble the biggest error next to not having a JOB!


if you want to see what a hardship is try researching a little more
pregancy is not a hardship, you in LEB is not a hardship, anything happening to him or family is not a hardship for him to come here.
the list goes on..

The Poverty Limits are actually quite low.

She has researched, see her posts.

Very few Immigration Lawyers are compotent in this field.

okay first of all, i come to these sites for SUPPORT not to be told no no this this that that........i HAVE RESEARCED, I DO know that they need all this stuff, I DO have a cosponser for him, this cosponser is the SAME person who sponsered him before and yes dont worry their income is WELL above sufficient.....WE ARE in contact with a lawyer and she DOES say it will take time but only about 2 to 3 years maximum. Us talking about going to another country was an idea, not a thought we were looking to really do, i came to get input on if it would make it harder. i guess you have proved your point that it would ehh? thank you have a nice day



Thank you for your reply. yes the middle east is unstable as is the rest of the world LOL. Hopefully that will be a point in our court. I guess all i can do is hope that the officer has a heart.......who apprves these things anyway? i thought it was the discretion of the Attorney General?? yikes. lol



Thank you at least you have read my posts. yep i have researched ALOT LOL.....yea his attorney is helping us out so i guess all we can do is wait.............The proverty limits have no bearing to me, we have a sponser and co sponser and all the paperwork to go along with it

For your hardship letter remember that there is a warining to register if a USC is visiting lebanon or any other country to register with the embassy in case they need to contact them for there safety. Thefore that is proof that the US considers Lebanon as unsafe country for an American. The Waiver is going to be your most important step. If that is approved you are pretty much home free. They do a security check for that.

Yep i have been chking the warnings to see if they are updating it. things are really tense in these areas these days and i worry about going outside and downtown.

The waiver letters are going to be prepared with a lot of time and consideration, even if his lawyer does help us i want her to send us the letter she writes and i plan on putting one together incase i dont agree with hers that it is strong enough........we shall see. we need to get this i130 approved first.

Dunno if anyone's mentioned this, cos I haven't read all the replies....BUT


I feel what you're doing is trying to circumvent the system. Doesn't matter if another country looks better 'on paper' or anything else. Your husband is Lebanese and has a 10year ban for marriage visa fraud, and you should shoot straight dice instead of 'waiting out' the visa process in another country as if it's a dead cert you'll get approved.

Think about it.

I'm sorry to be so harsh, but it is honestly the way I feel and I'm trying to let you know this in the most respectful way I can.

male, from lahore

i am in a very bad situation, i had my interview on 20th april 2006, my i -130 interview, my wife is a USC.
at the end of the interview i was told i ll have to wait for some clearnace, just 2 fingerprints were taken off me , of both index fingers.

they asked me to wait for 45 days but its been more than 100 days now , i have not heard anything from embassy, each time i call them they say its under process. i called up DOS in washington on the 50 th day and inquired they said the clearnace was done but they ve found some info on my case and it again went for a re review.

the next day my wife called them to inquire and they told her tht the case is not with them call up islamabad. the following day i called up DOS again and inquired i was told the case is under review, i dont know why DOS have two different stories for wife and husband?

now just a week back my wife called up USCIS to inquire and was told the case is in not with them and he cannot tell anything on the phone and she will recieve a letter from USCIS in 30-40 days , but then my wife called up DOS and inquired they had the same story tht case is not with them.

could any one please tell me wat to do and whom shall i contact ? plz..

Best to start your own post.

You are under security review, can take a long time depending. 6 months is not unusual, I have seen a few at 2 years and one at 3 years, these are unusual.

hi boiler ya thganx for reppin dude, i hope mine does not take tht long, are there any chances of being refused afta security process bull shitt?

I have never seen someone refused. Well nobody that has posted.

yes there was a denial from the ISL embassy after she had 2 years on AP/AR security checks.
she did post. it can be found under this header..