szsz, you posted your age difference earlier. Believe me, this WILL be an issue wuth Casa and you need to be prepared for it.
Thanks, Kiya. We were advised about age discrimination at the consulate long ago, so we've decided to face that and any other issues that may send up red flags head on in the I-130 before they raise it. I brought up the history of Khadijah and the Prophet (pbuh) on an earlier post; it is among the valid evidence that should be employed as religious precedent.
I'm going to leave this issue now as there some tension growing that I don't need, and there is little more that I can contribute further other than to repeat the advice to contact relevant congressional representatives and get a lawyer. I also posted an inquiry to solicit information from others
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17164
and can suggest this article that was contributed by a lawyer who posts on VJ
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0323-ellis.shtm
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
Full Version: VISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!
[quote name='frndly1' date='Jun 10 2006, 09:15 AM' post='243747']
Chiquita, I am so sorry for asking a dang on question. I read the post and it said that he was asked about 50 questions then the CO denied so I asked if possible something was said that may have triggered this reaction from the CO.
I don't speak much on these boards and when I just asked a harmless question I get insulted.
Everyone have a good day.
I am so sorry...I as well meant no harm!! I meant no insult at all. Please forgive me if I came across as such. This is a very frustrating situation and I am looking to help her. There should be nothing to triggering the responce from the CO as this has been reaffirmed by USCIS who verifies the relationship throghoughly before sending the case back to DOS.
I know a lot of ppl here do not know the process of returned cases, I was just hoping for advice with laws and guidelines to help them. We pretty much know the process up to this point. The couple is in a desperate situation and I want to help
Chiquita, I am so sorry for asking a dang on question. I read the post and it said that he was asked about 50 questions then the CO denied so I asked if possible something was said that may have triggered this reaction from the CO.
I don't speak much on these boards and when I just asked a harmless question I get insulted.
Everyone have a good day.
I am so sorry...I as well meant no harm!! I meant no insult at all. Please forgive me if I came across as such. This is a very frustrating situation and I am looking to help her. There should be nothing to triggering the responce from the CO as this has been reaffirmed by USCIS who verifies the relationship throghoughly before sending the case back to DOS.
I know a lot of ppl here do not know the process of returned cases, I was just hoping for advice with laws and guidelines to help them. We pretty much know the process up to this point. The couple is in a desperate situation and I want to help
Chiguita, I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Maybe one of these 2 could help. I don't have their phone numbers, but maybe you could find them so you can save time.
Dale Rumbarger
for
Julia Furuta-Toy
Director of Public and Diplomatic Liaison Visa Services
Washington, D.C. 20520
You can also write to:
Maura Harty
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, D.C. 20520
Dale Rumbarger
for
Julia Furuta-Toy
Director of Public and Diplomatic Liaison Visa Services
Washington, D.C. 20520
You can also write to:
Maura Harty
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, D.C. 20520
First of all, I am sorry you and your friends are having to go through this hassel. My husband (fiance at the time) was initially told that he did not have sufficient evidence of our relationship. I already had a strange feeling that this would be an issue. So I immediately started doing 'little' things as it pertains to our communication.
#1) STOP using calling cards unless you know for sure you can track your calls. I mailed to my husband over $1500.00 worth of used calling cards. But according to the embassy, a calling card does not prove 'who' you talked to. So we signed up for www.pingo.com at now have a record of our calls made (the rate was even cheaper than a calling card)
#2) EMAIL, EMAIL, EMAIL! In the case of my husband and I, we communicated via phone 90% of the time. When my husband was told to come back with more information I literally stayed in front of the computer for hours printing out every single email between he and I, and even emails from friends that mentioned his name (do a word search in your email file for your husbands name).
#3) Ask friends and family members to write notarized letters stating that they know about your relationship and approve it as well.
#4) Submit Western Union receipts between the two of you
#5) Never give up! Coach your husband on his approach while in the embassy. Sound confident about your relationship, and assured that he knows that a visa will be issued. Be careful not to come across as cocky.
#6) Believe that the best will come forth. The mind is a powerful thing.
I wish you well!
#1) STOP using calling cards unless you know for sure you can track your calls. I mailed to my husband over $1500.00 worth of used calling cards. But according to the embassy, a calling card does not prove 'who' you talked to. So we signed up for www.pingo.com at now have a record of our calls made (the rate was even cheaper than a calling card)
#2) EMAIL, EMAIL, EMAIL! In the case of my husband and I, we communicated via phone 90% of the time. When my husband was told to come back with more information I literally stayed in front of the computer for hours printing out every single email between he and I, and even emails from friends that mentioned his name (do a word search in your email file for your husbands name).
#3) Ask friends and family members to write notarized letters stating that they know about your relationship and approve it as well.
#4) Submit Western Union receipts between the two of you
#5) Never give up! Coach your husband on his approach while in the embassy. Sound confident about your relationship, and assured that he knows that a visa will be issued. Be careful not to come across as cocky.
#6) Believe that the best will come forth. The mind is a powerful thing.
I wish you well!
QUOTE(szsz @ Jun 10 2006, 09:24 AM) 
szsz, you posted your age difference earlier. Believe me, this WILL be an issue wuth Casa and you need to be prepared for it.
Thanks, Kiya. We were advised about age discrimination at the consulate long ago, so we've decided to face that and any other issues that may send up red flags head on in the I-130 before they raise it. I brought up the history of Khadijah and the Prophet (pbuh) on an earlier post; it is among the valid evidence that should be employed as religious precedent.
I'm going to leave this issue now as there some tension growing that I don't need, and there is little more that I can contribute further other than to repeat the advice to contact relevant congressional representatives and get a lawyer. I also posted an inquiry to solicit information from others
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17164
and can suggest this article that was contributed by a lawyer who posts on VJ
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0323-ellis.shtm
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
Thanks!
Let me advise you there is something that Marc wrote that is not true in Casa.
He wrote >>>>>>
The beneficiary interviews at a US Consulate and her case is not approved at the time of the interview. Rather, the interviewing officer first refuses the visa application under INA 221(g), and requests more information about the relationship.
After the petitioner and beneficiary provide the information, the consular officer decides that the petition should be returned to USCIS for review with the recommendation that it be revoked because it’s the officer’s view that a reasonable person would believe the relationship exists solely or primarily to convey an immigration benefit.
This does not happen in Casa...requests more information about the relationship. Instead the case is denied the same day of the interview and returned to USCIS without either the petitioner or the benefiary knowing why. Trust me this exactly what happens!!! We only find out much later when out senator or congressman make an inquiry for us. I know many many couples who have gone througth Casa and this is exactly what has happened to them.
I know that sooooooooo many ppl and even embassies say it doesnt happen, but I am here to tell everyone it indeed does happen. And for no other reason that the woman being older than the man. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
My husbands interview lasted 5 minutes, the CO reused to look at our proof, and returned our case to USCIS. I had taken great pains in creating a binder filled with pictures of us and family, copies of e mails, phone records and so much more. I had it all in plastic sleeves and had sections for each topic. I went to great length to make it so easy for the CO to just thumb through it for our proof of relationship. Guess what??? He refused to even look at it, yet we were denied "due to the validity of the relationship".
It is just the way it is.
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
[/quote]
She did win!!! Her case was reaffirmed by USCIS like mine was!!!
It is the CO who keeps holding them up!
QUOTE(Morocco4ever @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 AM)
Chiguita, I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Maybe one of these 2 could help. I don't have their phone numbers, but maybe you could find them so you can save time.
Dale Rumbarger
for
Julia Furuta-Toy
Director of Public and Diplomatic Liaison Visa Services
Washington, D.C. 20520
You can also write to:
Maura Harty
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, D.C. 20520
Thanks, I was thinking of giving those numbers to her last night. I will now send them to her in an e mail. I have the numbers if anyone else needs them.
[quote name='chiquita' date='Jun 10 2006, 10:11 AM' post='243819']
[quote name='szsz' post='243758' date='Jun 10 2006, 09:24 AM']
szsz, you posted your age difference earlier. Believe me, this WILL be an issue wuth Casa and you need to be prepared for it.
Thanks, Kiya. We were advised about age discrimination at the consulate long ago, so we've decided to face that and any other issues that may send up red flags head on in the I-130 before they raise it. I brought up the history of Khadijah and the Prophet (pbuh) on an earlier post; it is among the valid evidence that should be employed as religious precedent.
I'm going to leave this issue now as there some tension growing that I don't need, and there is little more that I can contribute further other than to repeat the advice to contact relevant congressional representatives and get a lawyer. I also posted an inquiry to solicit information from others
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17164
and can suggest this article that was contributed by a lawyer who posts on VJ
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0323-ellis.shtm
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
[/quote]
Thanks!
Let me advise you there is something that Marc wrote that is not true in Casa.
He wrote >>>>>>
The beneficiary interviews at a US Consulate and her case is not approved at the time of the interview. Rather, the interviewing officer first refuses the visa application under INA 221(g), and requests more information about the relationship.
After the petitioner and beneficiary provide the information, the consular officer decides that the petition should be returned to USCIS for review with the recommendation that it be revoked because it’s the officer’s view that a reasonable person would believe the relationship exists solely or primarily to convey an immigration benefit.
This does not happen in Casa...requests more information about the relationship. Instead the case is denied the same day of the interview and returned to USCIS without either the petitioner or the benefiary knowing why. Trust me this exactly what happens!!! We only find out much later when out senator or congressman make an inquiry for us. I know many many couples who have gone througth Casa and this is exactly what has happened to them.
I know that sooooooooo many ppl and even embassies say it doesnt happen, but I am here to tell everyone it indeed does happen. And for no other reason that the woman being older than the man. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
My husbands interview lasted 5 minutes, the CO reused to look at our proof, and returned our case to USCIS. I had taken great pains in creating a binder filled with pictures of us and family, copies of e mails, phone records and so much more. I had it all in plastic sleeves and had sections for each topic. I went to great length to make it so easy for the CO to just thumb through it for our proof of relationship. Guess what??? He refused to even look at it, yet we were denied "due to the validity of the relationship".
It is just the way it is.
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
[/quote]
She did win!!! Her case was reaffirmed by USCIS like mine was!!!
It is the CO who keeps holding them up!
[quote name='Morocco4ever' post='243800' date='Jun 10 2006, 09:48 AM']
Chiguita, I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Maybe one of these 2 could help. I don't have their phone numbers, but maybe you could find them so you can save time.
Dale Rumbarger
for
Julia Furuta-Toy
Director of Public and Diplomatic Liaison Visa Services
Washington, D.C. 20520
You can also write to:
Maura Harty
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, D.C. 20520
[/quote]
Thanks, I was thinking of giving those numbers to her last night. I will now send them to her in an e mail. I have the numbers if anyone else needs them.
[/quote]
Yes, I do want them. At this point since our case is still back with the CIS it won't help me, but this time I plan to be more prepared when it gets back to the consulate. By the time I found these addresses it was already back to the CIS so it didn't help me, but I have held on because I don't believe it will go any easier the second time around.
Please keep us informed about what your friends do to resolve this issue, and how it turns out. I am praying for the best for her, and you as well.
[quote name='szsz' post='243758' date='Jun 10 2006, 09:24 AM']
szsz, you posted your age difference earlier. Believe me, this WILL be an issue wuth Casa and you need to be prepared for it.
Thanks, Kiya. We were advised about age discrimination at the consulate long ago, so we've decided to face that and any other issues that may send up red flags head on in the I-130 before they raise it. I brought up the history of Khadijah and the Prophet (pbuh) on an earlier post; it is among the valid evidence that should be employed as religious precedent.
I'm going to leave this issue now as there some tension growing that I don't need, and there is little more that I can contribute further other than to repeat the advice to contact relevant congressional representatives and get a lawyer. I also posted an inquiry to solicit information from others
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17164
and can suggest this article that was contributed by a lawyer who posts on VJ
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0323-ellis.shtm
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
[/quote]
Thanks!
Let me advise you there is something that Marc wrote that is not true in Casa.
He wrote >>>>>>
The beneficiary interviews at a US Consulate and her case is not approved at the time of the interview. Rather, the interviewing officer first refuses the visa application under INA 221(g), and requests more information about the relationship.
After the petitioner and beneficiary provide the information, the consular officer decides that the petition should be returned to USCIS for review with the recommendation that it be revoked because it’s the officer’s view that a reasonable person would believe the relationship exists solely or primarily to convey an immigration benefit.
This does not happen in Casa...requests more information about the relationship. Instead the case is denied the same day of the interview and returned to USCIS without either the petitioner or the benefiary knowing why. Trust me this exactly what happens!!! We only find out much later when out senator or congressman make an inquiry for us. I know many many couples who have gone througth Casa and this is exactly what has happened to them.
I know that sooooooooo many ppl and even embassies say it doesnt happen, but I am here to tell everyone it indeed does happen. And for no other reason that the woman being older than the man. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
My husbands interview lasted 5 minutes, the CO reused to look at our proof, and returned our case to USCIS. I had taken great pains in creating a binder filled with pictures of us and family, copies of e mails, phone records and so much more. I had it all in plastic sleeves and had sections for each topic. I went to great length to make it so easy for the CO to just thumb through it for our proof of relationship. Guess what??? He refused to even look at it, yet we were denied "due to the validity of the relationship".
It is just the way it is.
Chiquite, I know this is painful, but if you fought and won, then have some confidence that your friend will too. Best wishes to all!
[/quote]
She did win!!! Her case was reaffirmed by USCIS like mine was!!!
It is the CO who keeps holding them up!
[quote name='Morocco4ever' post='243800' date='Jun 10 2006, 09:48 AM']
Chiguita, I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Maybe one of these 2 could help. I don't have their phone numbers, but maybe you could find them so you can save time.
Dale Rumbarger
for
Julia Furuta-Toy
Director of Public and Diplomatic Liaison Visa Services
Washington, D.C. 20520
You can also write to:
Maura Harty
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, D.C. 20520
[/quote]
Thanks, I was thinking of giving those numbers to her last night. I will now send them to her in an e mail. I have the numbers if anyone else needs them.
[/quote]
Yes, I do want them. At this point since our case is still back with the CIS it won't help me, but this time I plan to be more prepared when it gets back to the consulate. By the time I found these addresses it was already back to the CIS so it didn't help me, but I have held on because I don't believe it will go any easier the second time around.
Please keep us informed about what your friends do to resolve this issue, and how it turns out. I am praying for the best for her, and you as well.
Yes, I do want them. At this point since our case is still back with the CIS it won't help me, but this time I plan to be more prepared when it gets back to the consulate. By the time I found these addresses it was already back to the CIS so it didn't help me, but I have held on because I don't believe it will go any easier the second time around.
Please keep us informed about what your friends do to resolve this issue, and how it turns out. I am praying for the best for her, and you as well.
[/quote]
Here they are:
OFFICE OF DIPLOMATIC AND PUBLIC LIAISON (VO/P)
Director Julie Furuta-Toy 202-663-3579
Public Inquiries Division Chief Karla Gentile 202-663-3623
Diplomatic Liaison Division Chief Dale Rumbarger 202-663-3211
Right after we were denied the K3 visa i wrote to Pres Bush (I wrote to everyone!!!) who wrote right back to me letting me know he was forwarding my letter to the DOS. It took DOS 6 months to write to me!!! So calling is much better! i wish I had known. Now, I have spoke to Mr. Rumbarger on the phone which was nice that he answered himslelf.
BTW, I also wrote to and sent e mail to Secretary Rice and to this day I have never heard from her or her office to this day.
Sorry this had to happen this way. I can't believe a consular would think allllllll this time and effort and years of communicating in a long distance relationship could be concieved as a hoax.
It frustrates us all to read this, but I still hope it works out someway for you
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 10 2006, 08:51 AM)
QUOTE(angelk96 @ Jun 9 2006, 07:36 PM)
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 9 2006, 06:18 PM)
QUOTE(szsz @ Jun 9 2006, 06:19 PM)
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.
Thanks for you concern, I really do appreciate it.
We do know why they were denied. The CO does not believe the husband loves the wife.
I am not trying to insult anyone. It gets frustrating when the same questions keep being asked. Did he say anything wrong? I can only guess...no. He said he loves his wife and wants to be with her. He was hoping the bus he was on would just crash and kill him when he was on his way home from the consulate. My husband feels he is in exile. For what? Because there is an age difference.
I am just looking for laws to help them. I know they exist because I have read them. I was hoping someone had done some research lately and my have had the links handy.
I think a lot of the questions being asked are purely innocent. I know I am not knowledgeable in this matter and maybe some others are not also. I think a lot of brainstorming as to why some people get denied their visas goes on here. I am pretty sure it's because they only want to help. We can only speculated as to what happen. I sincerely hope you find the information you are seeking. We got a 221g for lack of information and i know the feeling I felt was helplessness at that time.
Angel
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Jun 9 2006, 07:59 PM)
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 9 2006, 05:31 PM)
QUOTE(frndly1 @ Jun 9 2006, 04:20 PM)
Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?
I feel for this person.
What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.
I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.
This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.
Nobody thought Goldenheart's fiancé said anything wrong either, but he did. Sometimes people say strange things under pressure or coercion. They really do ask a lot of questions and just wait for you to slip up on something then they eat you alive with it. It's unfortunate but true.
What did GH fiancee say that was wrong? Did i miss that part?
GH fiancee mentioned the religious ceremony the next day AFTER he was put in jail.
COERCION (forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will) IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE(szsz @ Jun 9 2006, 08:05 PM)
((((( Oh, honey))))), I'm 53 and my husband's 32, so if Casa discriminates on the basis of age, this will affect me too. Half of my family is married to immigrants, but none of us have the same circumstances or story to tell. I moved to Colorado to work for a relative's law firm and even she had to hire a lawyer to help with her husband's immigration issues!
We all care, or we wouldn't respond. The bottom line is, the process (using the word loosely) is bewildering to most of us. We're trying to be logical where logic doesn't count. You're probably beyond the realm of logic, so it all sounds like _______ to you. Please try to take it as it's meant, concern and caring for a process (using the word loosely) where we all feel powerless and somewhat abused
but we don't have to feel alone.I understand what you are saying. I never meant to imply that no one cared.
i am not beildered or beyond logic at all. That happened last year when we were first denied. I have since had our case reaffirnmed and feel very positive about it.
I am just trying to get the law and guidelines to help this couple. We are not powerless in this situation. At least i don't feel that way. I fought back and I won.
QUOTE(Isabel @ Jun 9 2006, 08:55 PM)
HI chiquita,
well I just read the messages here and hm what to say. Im sorry for what happened.
But to be realistic, were you in part at the interview? Or how can you tell what she said? How she reacted, if she might said something strange...that was a red flag? How can you know? Maybe she/he doesnt know it either. And if they already got denied another visa it is imaginable that the next interview would be harder as well...cos they need to convince the officer now that they indeed love each other etc.
Just to ask, why couldnt they repeal the first denial of the K3? That might have been a better choice instead of going further and trying to get the immigration visa? Sure finally they wanna get that but first off shoudlnt they try to get an approval for the K3?
Maybe im misinformed here, but that would be my try, cos for me it would be a red flag, why they just went on and went for the immigration visa.
Isabel
No I was not part of the interview. why would I need to be there to help this couple? Their case was reaffrimed by USCIS and sent back to DOS for action. That means issue the visa. But in this case the CO said she just cant believe the husband loves her. How does her believe system enter into this judgement? The relationship was proved and now USCIS was asking DOS to issue the visa. Plain and simple.
A k3 (non immigrant)visa is no longer valid once the CO denies it. It not our choice it is the law.
In oder to even file for a K3 one has to file for the I-130 Immigrant first. Once a K3 is denied the DOS and USCIS thereafter only uses the I-130 Immigrant to review.
I am hoping you understand now. All I was hoping to get was the law and guidelines for them.
Hi chiquit,
thats why I asked you
. Well Im familir to the process of applying for a K3 since I do it myself, you know. I was just wondering why they cant repeal the K3 denial, thats all. And as mentioned before, we can give you hints and a few thoughts but we are no legal attourneys. So obviously you know more about that law than we do, so why are you not just looking for professional help? That is my best advice.
Oh and I wanted to know if you were apart at that interview because you seemed to know every single thing and so on. But honestly You cant know everything that is a fact. What people say and what they do are two seperate things. That is a fact as well.
Good look
Isabel
[quote name='Isabel' date='Jun 10 Well Im familir to the process of applying for a K3 since I do it myself, you know. I was just wondering why they cant repeal the K3 denial, thats all.
I suppose the USCIS could do what they want to do. I just know that the K3 is no longer valid once it is sent back to the states. I would think you would know this since you are familar with the K3.
And as mentioned before, we can give you hints and a few thoughts but we are no legal attourneys. So obviously you know more about that law than we do, so why are you not just looking for professional help? That is my best advice.
Becuase that takes so much time to get arranged. I was hoping to get some help for them, thats all.
Oh and I wanted to know if you were apart at that interview because you seemed to know every single thing and so on. But honestly You cant know everything that is a fact. What people say and what they do are two seperate things. That is a fact as well.
I know this couple very well. I know I wasn't there but I am sure there is no reason to deny with out reason. Least of all ....for personal belief
I suppose the USCIS could do what they want to do. I just know that the K3 is no longer valid once it is sent back to the states. I would think you would know this since you are familar with the K3.
And as mentioned before, we can give you hints and a few thoughts but we are no legal attourneys. So obviously you know more about that law than we do, so why are you not just looking for professional help? That is my best advice.
Becuase that takes so much time to get arranged. I was hoping to get some help for them, thats all.
Oh and I wanted to know if you were apart at that interview because you seemed to know every single thing and so on. But honestly You cant know everything that is a fact. What people say and what they do are two seperate things. That is a fact as well.
I know this couple very well. I know I wasn't there but I am sure there is no reason to deny with out reason. Least of all ....for personal belief
Chiquita you stated:
What did GH fiancee say that was wrong? Did i miss that part?
GH fiancee mentioned the religious ceremony the next day AFTER he was put in jail.
COERCION (forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will) IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!
That's why I said, it is unfortunate, but true that it happens.
What did GH fiancee say that was wrong? Did i miss that part?
GH fiancee mentioned the religious ceremony the next day AFTER he was put in jail.
COERCION (forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will) IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!
That's why I said, it is unfortunate, but true that it happens.
Wow talk about enough to scare you. After reading this im kind of scared my husband and I have more then a ten year age difference.
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:13 PM)
Wow talk about enough to scare you. After reading this im kind of scared my husband and I have more then a ten year age difference.
We don't mean to scare you, sorry. Hopefully you aren't going through Morocco. So far this is the only place I have seen this done on visa journey.
you shouldnt be really scared, you should be happy that you have the information so you can properly prepare yourself!
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:13 PM)
Wow talk about enough to scare you. After reading this im kind of scared my husband and I have more then a ten year age difference.
We do too, and you will find it seems to be more common then uncommon with many of the ME/NA relationships.
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco. 
what fun this will be for us!
what fun this will be for us!
Aaawww... kaluoy pud
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Well then Icy is right, you are lucky you have us to learn from. The first thing is to pin point all of your red flags. Obviously one of them is the age difference. You must be prepared to address that, and anything else that comes up. If I knew then what I know now, when they asked my husband about the age difference I would have instructed my husband to mention that if its good enough for the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) then I would be happy to follow in his shoes. Instead he answered that the age difference isn't a problem for either of us, because that is the truth.
I'm sorry to scare you, but you do need to be prepared for a tough interview.
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!
Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...
Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!
A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.
I hope this helps you Vonnie.
chi
Sorry the bad news about your friend. I think they should try again and get a lawyer to help them. They have been married 2 years. The third time is the charm
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!
Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...
Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!
A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.
I hope this helps you Vonnie.
chi
I agree!..
I had added my husband to a few things like to my work benifits. he has a card.
he was added to anything that I could add him too. the adjudicator in our case - thought I could not add him to nothing til I show the benifit cards in his name. I also showed her a paper showing when I added him. it even had his name on the envelope showed her that too..
added him to leagal insurance has his name on that too. even my mama sent a fax to the Adjudicator - she put all her credentals on there so if the adjudicator needed to call my mama she could..
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
In one case, the petitioner WAS with the beneficary at the Casa consulate on the interview day and they still gave a 221(g) and humiliated him... I don't know if being there really does help change the CO's decision?
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Jun 11 2006, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
In one case, the petitioner WAS with the beneficary at the Casa consulate on the interview day and they still gave a 221(g) and humiliated him... I don't know if being there really does help change the CO's decision?
Who was that? Did the CO know the petitioner was there?
QUOTE(shonjaved @ Jun 11 2006, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!
Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...
Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!
A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.
I hope this helps you Vonnie.
chi
I agree!..
I had added my husband to a few things like to my work benifits. he has a card.
he was added to anything that I could add him too. the adjudicator in our case - thought I could not add him to nothing til I show the benifit cards in his name. I also showed her a paper showing when I added him. it even had his name on the envelope showed her that too..
added him to leagal insurance has his name on that too. even my mama sent a fax to the Adjudicator - she put all her credentals on there so if the adjudicator needed to call my mama she could..
I did the same thing! Added my husband to my health insurane, dental and life insurace.
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Jun 11 2006, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
In one case, the petitioner WAS with the beneficary at the Casa consulate on the interview day and they still gave a 221(g) and humiliated him... I don't know if being there really does help change the CO's decision?
Who was that? Did the CO know the petitioner was there?
I know it was somewhere in the ME/NA thread ... this was quite a while back, I think in January (yes my memory sucks).. I'm pretty sure it was Moroccogirlny. But I could be wrong about that... anyways the petitioner was there for the interview and was waiting outside and the CO knew the petitioner was there. In no way am I saying it hurts to be at the interview, I'm just saying in the past it just shows that there is a possibility it doesnt make a difference to them, it seems like they think denying visas gets them brownie points or something.
Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco. what fun this will be for us!
Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!
Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...
Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!
A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.
I hope this helps you Vonnie.
chi
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 11 2006, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE(vonnie&abdel @ Jun 10 2006, 09:48 PM)
I know you didnt mean to scare me but its scary. We have a 16 year age difference, and yes Im going through the horrible consular Morocco.
what fun this will be for us!Since we went through casa and had our case returned to USCIS "due to the validity of the relationship" IE... age difference...
my thoughts to you would be:
Try to be there when your husband has the interview. I think this is the best advice for anyone who has red flags!!! (No matter what they are!)
Make sure you have lots of proof, ie, pics, e mails logs since you met, any letters that you sent, travel itinery copies including copies of your passport stamps, any type of paper trail between you and your husband at all. And I mean anything, the more the better!!!
Get some letters from people who know you to include with your proof of relationship. Be sure they have their full name, full address and phone number in the letter to show they can be contacted if casa so desires. Your husband can get some too and translate them. Get as many as you can. I had 8. I kept the originals and provided copies, just in case...
Most of all, make sure your husband shows the proof even if the CO does not ask for it!!! Make sure your husband understands this is a MUST!!!
A great idea already submitted here was about the the prophet marrying an older woman. This should be included in a letter from both you and your husband since casa seems to think marrying an older woman is unheard of in Morocco. And we know it is not.
I hope this helps you Vonnie.
chi
[quote name='ohiobuck' date='Jun 20 2006, 04:47 PM' post='263257']
Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.
Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.
[quote name='chiquita' date='Jun 21 2006, 02:21 PM' post='265271']
[quote name='ohiobuck' date='Jun 20 2006, 04:47 PM' post='263257']
Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.
[/quote]
Chi,
Don't let Paula ruffle your feathers. Some people claim to know all of the answers but really have no clue what they are talking about. She doesn't know any of us personally and although we know she really doesn't understand the situation, there is no changing her mind. All we can do is just keep telling our stories, getting the word out there, helping those that fall into our shoes, and stay strong until our loved ones get here.
You have a vast knowledge of the laws and how the system works, and I plan on using your strategy when my time comes. As far as anyone elses advice, well we just have to weed through them for the good and the bad, and take into account who has been there before, and who hasn't.
[quote name='ohiobuck' date='Jun 20 2006, 04:47 PM' post='263257']
Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.
[/quote]
Chi,
Don't let Paula ruffle your feathers. Some people claim to know all of the answers but really have no clue what they are talking about. She doesn't know any of us personally and although we know she really doesn't understand the situation, there is no changing her mind. All we can do is just keep telling our stories, getting the word out there, helping those that fall into our shoes, and stay strong until our loved ones get here.
You have a vast knowledge of the laws and how the system works, and I plan on using your strategy when my time comes. As far as anyone elses advice, well we just have to weed through them for the good and the bad, and take into account who has been there before, and who hasn't.
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 21 2006, 02:21 PM)
let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.
nice attitude!!
paula offered sound advice that, frankly, anyone on this entire board could use when prepping for their interview. it's a shame that you can't keep emotions out of this and had to reply in such a derogatory fashion.
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Jun 20 2006, 04:47 PM)
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
Just curious - what do you mean by this exactly? Are you an immigration attorney? How are you helping couples get visas?
I would think that the culture in Morocco is one that is put in to consideration. I am not sure, But maybe you should try another visa. One thing that I say one this trend and I plan on doing is visiting more than once. AI am muslim and a wedding is a big deal, so to not have one would bring about a question I think. I am not sure and I am learning from you experince, I am engaged to a Moroccoan and I am scared to death that there will be problems. But can you tell how many times you been to Morocco, and the conditions you meet. i meet my fiance through my friend who is his cousin. We have been chating and emailing. We want to get maaried and I am going to meet him. But I am sure I will have a hard time. I am thining of just going over there and marrying him legally, so that we can do the K-3 but I dont know. And do you have to do the K-3 at the Embassy?
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
Our case was approved as easy as pie. My husband was asked about his work and asked only to explain what my job title meant. I don't go on to assume that we somehow prepared our case better than anyone else.
He didn't go to the interview with a sectioned off binder, I wasn't there, I had only been to Morocco once, and the I-129F I had submitted was very slim in comparison to one I have read about on here. We got lucky... whatever.. but I would never claim or imply we somehow did it better than someone else.
The consulate is NOT doing what they are supposed. One only has to look at the protocols they are supposed to follow to know they are not in adherance. Whether or not there may be some justification for returning these cases is actually an entirely separate issue. None of these couples have been given the opportunity to overcome their petitions being returned at the consulate level and that ALONE is wrong.
Rebecca
He didn't go to the interview with a sectioned off binder, I wasn't there, I had only been to Morocco once, and the I-129F I had submitted was very slim in comparison to one I have read about on here. We got lucky... whatever.. but I would never claim or imply we somehow did it better than someone else.
The consulate is NOT doing what they are supposed. One only has to look at the protocols they are supposed to follow to know they are not in adherance. Whether or not there may be some justification for returning these cases is actually an entirely separate issue. None of these couples have been given the opportunity to overcome their petitions being returned at the consulate level and that ALONE is wrong.
Rebecca
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 11:53 AM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 11:53 AM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.
sarah ... meet the fox!! he is always serious!!
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 02:53 PM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
Care to enlighten us as to who the "you" is there in your first statement? Sounds like you're addressing the entire ME/NA forum, or maybe just those of us with SOs from Morocco?
And many couples have a "a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences", not just those from ME/NA. What are you trying to say exactly?
.....And just because a visa is approved doesn't make the case somehow legit. I know of a few women who found out their husband's real intentions once they got here. This consulate isn't that great at sniffing out fraud and obviously will erroneously deny visas to completely legitimate petitions as well.
Rebecca
Rebecca
QUOTE(gimygirl @ Jun 21 2006, 11:59 AM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 11:53 AM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.
sarah ... meet the fox!! he is always serious!!
Thumbs down to that.
Desert Fox are you familiar with the Moroccan Consulate? You cannot generalize about Consulates because they are all a little different especially the one in Casablanca. I'm wondering if you have experienced filing through Morocco to say what you did? (I'm assuming not since under your name it says Spain).
QUOTE(rhouni @ Jun 21 2006, 02:01 PM)
.....And just because a visa is approved doesn't make the case somehow legit. I know of a few women who found out their husband's real intentions once they got here. This consulate isn't that great at sniffing out fraud and obviously will erroneously deny visas to completely legitimate petitions as well.
Rebecca
This pretty much reflects what I meant. The Consulate does not consider these to be valid relationships, and choses to send the petition back to the USCIS. You may not like my words, but iit's kind of hard to refute them based upon what is actually happening.
If your petition gets returned....its because they dont believe you or they dont believe your young spouse.
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:04 PM)
QUOTE(gimygirl @ Jun 21 2006, 11:59 AM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 11:53 AM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.
sarah ... meet the fox!! he is always serious!!
Thumbs down to that.
Desert Fox are you familiar with the Moroccan Consulate? You cannot generalize about Consulates because they are all a little different especially the one in Casablanca. I'm wondering if you have experienced filing through Morocco to say what you did? (I'm assuming not since under your name it says Spain).
nope...I only know what I read here, and what the logical conclusions are.
Dont get me wrong....if you have a valid relationship, then I hope you get approved...just be ready for a rough ride as they have been burned before and now want and need to be more convinced.
Not many young Morrocan men are married to women some 20 years older than they are. Its a RED flag!!!
Instead of everyone focusing their energies on how the consulate doesn't have a right to do what they did (which by the way they do)... maybe everyone should be focusing their energies on solutions...
As you have all figured out, the consulate has every right to make subjective jodgements on the validity of a relationship. It help to know what the job of the CO is and what their position is. Their position is to keep people out of the US.. meaning that they only have to give out a visa to individuals who have proven without a doubt in their mind that they are eligible for it. However, they are not permitted to second guess the USCIS. Meaning that if evidence about the validity of the relation was presented to the USCIS and accepted by the USCIS, they have to find another way to send the petition back...
So the solution to the problem is to find out what would need to be provided to the Consular Officer in the form of physical, subjective evidence that would lead them to the conclusion that the marriage was not entered into for the purposes of subverting immigration laws. Unfortunately, there have been many many documented cases of people who have had significant age differences having problems with fradulaent marriages...
Keep in mind that every action that you do is being weighed by the consular officer. So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...
In addition, then comment made by several people here on what to do in the interview are right on... criticising them is completely misguided... and misses the point. The goal is to get your SO into the US to be with you.. you should be willing to jump through whatever hoops that would get you there. If that takes a big wedding ceremony because that is what the culture expects, then you do it.. if it's taking on the phone every day.. then you do it... if it takes making a gift to the family's mosque, you do it..
Keep your eye on the prize and you'll get there faster..
As you have all figured out, the consulate has every right to make subjective jodgements on the validity of a relationship. It help to know what the job of the CO is and what their position is. Their position is to keep people out of the US.. meaning that they only have to give out a visa to individuals who have proven without a doubt in their mind that they are eligible for it. However, they are not permitted to second guess the USCIS. Meaning that if evidence about the validity of the relation was presented to the USCIS and accepted by the USCIS, they have to find another way to send the petition back...
So the solution to the problem is to find out what would need to be provided to the Consular Officer in the form of physical, subjective evidence that would lead them to the conclusion that the marriage was not entered into for the purposes of subverting immigration laws. Unfortunately, there have been many many documented cases of people who have had significant age differences having problems with fradulaent marriages...
Keep in mind that every action that you do is being weighed by the consular officer. So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...
In addition, then comment made by several people here on what to do in the interview are right on... criticising them is completely misguided... and misses the point. The goal is to get your SO into the US to be with you.. you should be willing to jump through whatever hoops that would get you there. If that takes a big wedding ceremony because that is what the culture expects, then you do it.. if it's taking on the phone every day.. then you do it... if it takes making a gift to the family's mosque, you do it..
Keep your eye on the prize and you'll get there faster..
Why did you say "boy toy"?
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 03:14 PM)
Why did you say "boy toy"?
The fox has a little bit of a flair for the dramatic.... for better or worse..
QUOTE(zyggy @ Jun 21 2006, 03:12 PM)
So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...
I actually don't think that it says that much at all in Morocco. The type of fraud that the consulate there is on the lookout for is usually of the kind where the USC does not know that she is being duped. Her presence would do little to change the CO's view of the Moroccan beneficiary's intentions.
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:14 PM)
Why did you say "boy toy"?
Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.
Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Jun 21 2006, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE(zyggy @ Jun 21 2006, 03:12 PM)
So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...
I actually don't think that it says that much at all in Morocco. The type of fraud that the consulate there is on the lookout for is usually of the kind where the USC does not know that she is being duped. Her presence would do little to change the CO's view of the Moroccan beneficiary's intentions.
Maybe, but it does indicate the USC"s intentions doesn't it... and it takes two to tango... just takes 50% of the perceived problem out of the equation..
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 03:19 PM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:14 PM)
Why did you say "boy toy"?
Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.
Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.
I'm pretty sure Sarah knows what "boy toy" means. I think what surprised her was that in your first post, there was the implication that all male beneficiaries from the ME/NA are boy toys. After reading your subsequent posts, you clarified what you meant.
QUOTE(zyggy @ Jun 21 2006, 03:20 PM)
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Jun 21 2006, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE(zyggy @ Jun 21 2006, 03:12 PM)
So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...
I actually don't think that it says that much at all in Morocco. The type of fraud that the consulate there is on the lookout for is usually of the kind where the USC does not know that she is being duped. Her presence would do little to change the CO's view of the Moroccan beneficiary's intentions.
Maybe, but it does indicate the USC"s intentions doesn't it... and it takes two to tango... just takes 50% of the perceived problem out of the equation..
Maybe I'm naive about the USC female's usual intentions, but I just don't think that the consulate could care less if you are there. Sure, it helps convince them that the USC wasn't just paid to sponsor a foreign fiance, but I don't think that is what concerns them in Morocco. I think the perceived problem is that the beneficiary is the one with bad intentions. The USC being there says nothing about the beneficiary's intentions.
You could be right. Thankfully it's no longer an issue for us, but in light of everything going on in Casablanca in the past 6 months, I think to make a special trip just for the interview is wasted effort.
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 03:19 PM)
Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.
Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.
Not my dream
I wouldn't find a relationship with a man significantly younger than me even remotely appealing (and a 20 year difference would land me in jail).QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Jun 20 2006, 04:47 PM)
Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.
Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.
I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.
Paula
QUOTE(chiquita @ Jun 21 2006, 02:21 PM)
let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.
Odd, indeed. I don't find anything remotely annoying in Paula's post.
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 02:53 PM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.
Where do these people come from????
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 12:19 PM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Jun 21 2006, 02:14 PM)
Why did you say "boy toy"?
Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.
Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.
What's a "real" boy toy?
QUOTE(just_waiting @ Jun 21 2006, 02:38 PM)
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Jun 21 2006, 02:53 PM)
Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.
Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.
They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.
Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.
Where do these people come from????
But....My wife (then fiancee) received her visa....no problem...because we didnt have these kinds of issues. You must be in denial if you believe and any of the problems that I listed wont cause a problem. These threads are full of nothing but problems. Isnt is obvious to you yet when there are going to be red flags??? I see them every time I read of these posts. Since Im not emotionally involved, its relatively easy to see the problem. Older christian woman meets young good looking muslim while on vacation...he pays more attention to her than she has ever had in her life.....etc.....you fill in the blanks. I see it every time I go to Jamaica, and several other places that I have been. Young men that want to get out of their country and into the US.
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