What about me?
I am not Russian. LOL
Canadian with American ancestry
Profession Accountant.
No kids at least that I know of
Never been married.


The lady is from Nikolaev, Ukraine.
25 years old, not married, no kids. works in retail store in the middle of city.

It all depends whether Kirk is willing to find out if she is knocked and engaged to someone else or not. Of course the person who robbed and cheated you will want to walk with no hard feelings. I think he too scared to find out and wants to live in his fantasy world.

Some personal information. That is a good start... gooood. Now, without digressing about any one else, how did you two lovebirds meet? From Russia to Ukraine is quite a distance - so what brought you there?

What is your lady's name? How does her family feel about you? Do you often drink while you post?

Since we're asking questions here, why is it that you think you're able to sponsor a young woman now without messing her all up again?

Did you learn what "not to do" this time around? How much money did you have to send Nadya before you turned her into a party girl? Did you send significantly less to this one? Did you verify that she didn't already have a fiancee and wasn't five months pregnant before you started the K-1/Canadian equivalent papers?

And what kind of a man follows another man onto a totally separate website and starts posting all kinds of negative information about his ex-fiancee all the while patronizing him with, "he's a nice guy but she's a horrible girl because I made her that way."???

And lastly.... do you really think this is going to help you "win" her back?

Just a little advice, buddy - If/when you move to the U.S., make sure you move somewhere like San Francisco or some other tree-hugging-hippy place where people excuse that kind of crap because if you move somewhere in the MidWest, or (God forbid) anywhere South of the Mason-Dixon line, you're going to get kicked in the nuts anytime you tell that story. I have a size 11 waiting for you here whenever you pass through Cincinnati. So what if the girl did this or she did that or he was wrapped up in the little affair. That's none of your business and it's none of ours either. He posted that they broke it off but were on amicable terms. That's what he wanted to share with us and that's what he did. All this other crap you're posting here, whether true or not, reminds me of being in 8th grade again when the guy that didn't get the girl he liked started spreading rumors about how dirty she was and how the guy that did get her shouldn't want her anymore.

Wow. You got them both good. Way to go. I think this is a good instance to tell you, "Shut your pie hole." And by the way..... grow up! You've got a new one now, so if you secretly still desire Nadya, then you should explore that first because I would hate to see you on here this time next year attempting to discredit another guy and blacklisting another girl because of the horrible thing that you turned this one into as well. Good luck, and I hope.... goodbye.

Name is mentioned above Irina
Met her Nikolaev.
I am not from Russia, but Canada
Her family so far likes me. Father is away often so never met him yet. It is different in Canada, I have to invite via tourist visa, there is no Fiance Visa. So I have to build her passport so she can visit or else marriage in Ukraine then bring her over. I knew one man who did this and his marriage last only 2 weeks in Canada. Once they land in Canada, they can apply landed immigrant status which is equivalent almost to citizenship. Like I said, the American system is superior, so I need to find the rules about myself being in the USA and bring someone over.
No, not really, just more dyslexia

I dont know why, but I smell fruitcake. Anyone else smell that?

ohhhhhhhhh mox im sorry.......i had no idea

Major stalker alert

Ok Korat/GiGii...You know its against the TOS to have multiple logons, yes?

Ok Bobalouie, you know it's against TOS to accuse people falsely?

Well GiGii, I guess we will find out!

Ugly.

Bobaloiue, I heard in the south they love conspiracy theories. Knock yourself out. Think what you want.
But the fact is that Nadya's is pregnant and she has been using men for financial gain for 5 years.
You can ask anyone YO to see her and they will tell you that she is pregnant. I have witnesses who can list the letters she wrote asking for money from the website fiance.com and when I had her removed from this site, she was livid. She wasn;t even writing her own letters, but the scamming agency was writing the letters. Mox knew this.


But hey, you will never believe me so really why bother trying to explain to you.

Yes, you are right. I decided to air the truth so that this woman never destroys another life.

What part of Ukraine is your fiancee from?
It is a beautiful country and I was scheduled to go back this August, but due some complications, I cannot.
I had discussions with some members of the National Bank of Ukraine and some elite expats when I was in Kiev. Ukraine just scares me as an economy. The price of property is almost triple than an Average American apartment and still has the bad qualities of stench and decay.

What happened to the post where you "answered" all my questions and then spelled it out again? I read it earlier today but didn't have time to reply. Did you delete it after realizing you contradicted yourself or did you have to get rid of it because one of the lies didn't jive with another?

Either way, I wish it was still on here. I was ready to reply and do a little cutting and pasting of your previous posts where you plainly said one thing and then later, in response to what I asked, said another. Oh well.

One last question.......

Are you doing this because what she did just wasn't right and you really hope nobody else gets "suckered" like you did or did she break your heart and now you have to have spiteful revenge? Or, are you really thinking that after no one else in the whole world will e-mail or talk to her you'll be there to be a shoulder for her to cry on and ultimately will get her back? Does your fiancee now bear a resemblance to her? After all, you can customize your search to get a 5'7" brunette. Explore the motivation for your actions just a little bit. Be honest with us (and more importantly, yourself) because it's not hard to see what's going on here.

I guess that was like 5 questions and a few statements. Doesn't really matter much becuase it's not like we're really worried much about authenticity here.

Moderator deleted, not me
I am sure that Mox complained about it about being private information. So he can live his fantasy, but the truth is now out.
If I write about it, it will be delete, so why bother.
It reminds of the book called Nausea by Jean Paul Sartre that it is better live a fantasy than the truth, because the truth really sucks in comparison to the fantasy. I will place a website warning about her and other golddiggers and scammers. You do not know how many people followed this lady's ways and started to scam others for free trips. It is too bad that people like you rather support such activity than actually fight against, yet you think you are strong and moral.
Truth be told, I hope the moderator finishes off the rest of my posts.

What did you discuss with the bank? What is an "elite expat"? Economically speaking, an economy like Ukraine's (or any FSU country except Russia) has loads of opportunity. The higher the scariness, the more opportunity.

See how this works? If we have a dialogue where you talk about your own experience the mods won't tamper with it. If you persist in slamming another VJer, you will draw fire from others and mods will kill your posts. Simple, right?

Well, before they do that, allow me to retort.

How is jumping on a forum dedicated to relationship/family-based visas and spreading dirt about someone's "amicable breakup" helping to stop scammers? Were you looking out for our best interests by warning the rest of us (who are already either married or in the process of getting a visa for our S/O) what we could possibly get into? Did you think one of us on this forum was going to say, "YES! Kirk busted up with Nadya.... my turn!"???

There has to be some other motivation for you to do what you're doing. Please, explore that a little bit before you come back here. I'm not saying you're not welcome to come here and post, (everyone likes pie and popcorn) but to sugarcoat your cheapshots as "help" for the rest of us is just downright insulting to our intelligence. And here on the VJ Russia forum, you're free to insult whatever you like.... but you're going to be hard-pressed to keep up with the intelligence in this community!

I agree with slim Korat. But the good news is that VJ is a place where you can be completely self-focused.

First I am not going to put names
Revenge? I emailed the gentleman first and warned him the situation. In the beginning, I even offered to assist him, but warned of her past. I wanted to toast the scamming agency that was writing fake letters. This particular lady was supposedly writing 700 letters under one site in 6 months. That is many letters for one person who works many hours. I tried to toast the agency in YO, because one person can do lots of damage, but an agency can do much more.
A friend was visiting the city was shown the letters about this particular lady asking for money from numerous sources. Also this particular person coworkers were telling about the scam she was about to place on a member of this board. So I warned him. This lady was still asking for money from me. BTW when you blacklist someone, there is no going back to that person.
Some of the blacklists had my email, so a man from YO gave me a letter about a potential green card scam that was going to be placed on a particular member of this forum. Maybe I should have walked away and let him rot, but I am tired of good people getting used. Anyways, I knew that I was not going anywhere with this and decided to leave it be, and let nature work it way out.
But when I arrived back from the UKraine, I received another messages about her not being honest per say. I thought I should warn this man again. He ignored it. I felt bad for him and so I called this "lady" and told her that I would expose her deception if she did not come clean. She only came half clean, because she wanted to leave room for further profitable dishonesty. I thought if a source from this forum were to visit this lady and tell this gentleman the truth, then he would have believed the dishonesty existed and then the blacklists could be reassembled one more to save others from this fate.

My views on this lady, I knew her before she changed. But as long she can scam for money,she will remain the same.

I have someone special in my life that is different than this lady. I am not going to mention more about her, because you will just throw vulgar insults.

What does the scent of fruitcake have to do with a conpiracy? I am confused. Can you, oh great one, enlighten me please?

I have a feeling you would lie if the truth was a better story!

Korat,

I won't comment on your accusations about this girl, only to say that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the gist of your account was true; girls like this are all too common in the MOB world but most guys involved are afraid to look behind the mirrors.

That said, I think you should take a step back and analyze your own behavior. Don't you think it's odd that years after this woman screwed you over, you're still tracking her every move? Do you think you come off as rational when you pry into her personal life and seek out snitches like hospital workers and bank managers?

And most of all: do you really think anyone here believes you're doing it to protect other men? Here's a bulletin for you: you're doing it for yourself (although I'm sure on some level you know that).

Nadya may have screwed you over and part of your motivation is surely revenge, but no one would hang on this long unless they were lovesick. I've met guys like you before, and the unspoken motivation obvious to anyone but him is, "if I can't have her, no one else will." There's also the (ridiculous to anyone but you) notion that you are somehow responsible for her behavior because you "spoiled" her long ago, and thus feel a guilty responsibility to protect other guys from her. So noble of you! But the white armor you're flashing to everyone here is actually the emperor's new clothes; or better yet, the armor is a sad green mix of envy, jealousy, bitterness, and unrequited love.

And you accuse Kurt of living in a fantasy world???

One question: does your current "fiancee" know that you track your ex's every move and sabotage her attempts at scamming others? I'd bet my next paycheck that she has no idea about your crusade and no matter how much you've managed to deceive yourself about your motivations, you are wily enough to keep this off her radar because you know she'd dump you if she saw how obsessed you are with Nadya. Sound about right?

Dude, get over her, move on or you'll drown in your own bilious poison.

I've got zero interest in engaging with korat/Gigii, and don't intend to start. As the saying goes, arguing with an idiot is like wrestling with a pig. You both get covered in crap, and the pig likes it.

Since I've had a couple pm's asking if korat/Gigii's story has any validity, I'll just respond globally and say nothing that korat/Gigii has said jives with my experiences. Her relationships prior to me are none of my business, and I've never talked to her about them. Likewise, her current and future relationships are none of my business either. We both made the decision to move on with our lives, and I wish korat/Gigii would learn how to do the same. My relationship, past and future, with her is none of korat/Gigii's business. I'm sorry that he's chosen to continue to harass her, but I also know that she's a big girl and will find a way to deal with him in her own way. So if korat/Gigii believes he is hurting me through her, he is mistaken. If anyone's got any more specific questions, feel free to pm me.

Apologies to the forum for bringing this drama down on your heads. If I've learned one thing, it's that going forward I'll definitely make sure to keep my relationships much more private. korat/Gigii is why we can't have nice things.

Awww, come on mox. You know everyone on this forum likes some good drama every now and then.

(And I can't say I'm not secretly waiting for the individual round to take place in the arena..... gladiatorial combat in the colosseum that is the VJ Russia Forum. I know it's draining to argue with idiots, but it's so fun for the rest of us!)

Yeah. I haven't seen this much drama since my wife and I had our little meltdown on here! No offense, but it's been sort of boring since then...

Hey, you know me. There's nothing I like better than opening up a can 'o whupass on trolling sock monkeys. I'm just afraid his slutty Ukranian girlfriend (what was her name again? Boris? I think it was Boris) might come after me.

You gotta keep a sense of humor about these things! Good to see you have. =)

Yes, it is nice to move on when your fiancee is knocked up by another man and she was going take your money until the very end. She never loved you, just wanted a free trip to California and if she liked california, then it was going to be the green card scam.

Moving on, I never bothered the cow for almost a year until I was told that she was pregnant and thought I would tell M. Like I said, we know mutual people in YO and I am not giving up my friends, because of her. I never asked about her or cared. They told me. I told him in private originally and without insult. I though the man should know. He called lies, so I told her that I would give M photos of her pregnant if she did not tell him the truth. Then he announces that he is broke up, but friends then trashes me. He would be still giving her money if I did not tell her that I knew the truth. Someone else knocks up his financee in YO and it is my fault. Amazing. I should have let her take more money out of you.


My fiancee knows everything.

Now it is over.

Ahh Mox, why don't you take a lovely picture of her? I heard she is showing quite well that lovely stomach. Or ask someone from this forum who fiancee lives in YO to visit her.
But you are a coward about the truth. Live your fantasy.

Now I am done.

Korat, we still don't understand why this is all bothering you so much. None of us do. Why do you care about Mox or Nadya now?

Nothing more beautiful than a pregnant woman. Sounds like she's happy. Which is cool, because I'm happy too. I hope you and Boris from Ukraine will be happy also. Seriously man, I mean that. My blessings on you both...may your unibrows never tangle during a passionate moment.

(anyone else have any toasts to the happy couple?)

I don't know who to pity any more or who to feel sad for; Korat for following Mox onto VJ or Mox for hanging around VJ despite not having a "visajourney" anymore. In grade school, we would call Mox a "wannabee". As for Korat, perhaps simply a "Whoooooo Cares?"

That's a pretty big assumption, but I expected no less.

How about you distinguish that GiGii is not Korat! Just because I agreed with him being able to post personal stuff (the surgery post) doesn't mean I am him. I have no story, it seems you two certainly have history.

Who cares if your story is true, or if Korat's is, we are now here for the entertainment Korat's providing, and you are now his sidekick in the show.

To every rumor there is some truth... big or small but there is.

Where's your wife been? We could use more Russian women's posts on here. Encourage her to post here even when she's not ready to kill you. Or, just save your breath to cool your borsht. I've tried and tried to get my wife here on VJ and the closest she'll come to it is when she's checking my browser history to make sure I'm not looking at porn or posting about her again. Oh well. Maybe someday.

We can still hope for another meltdown thread, can't we?



We've still never heard the story of why he was forced to move on to Boris and resorted to posting your mutual aquaintance's name/photos all over the internet. What would lead a "man" to post about a woman and her aquaintances SEVERAL YEARS LATER on various internet forums? Maybe you could give us a little backstory there. I'm sure you're also in possession of these so-called "facts."



It's not your fault that someone else knocked her up. It is your fault that you're on this forum, several weeks later, posting "facts" about what allegedly happened. Especially since you've never even posted here before. Your timing is suspect. Your story is suspect. And the way you present it is definitely suspect and in poor taste.



So what if she is pregnant by another man and it didn't work out for her and M? That's THEIR business! It's not your kid (obviously) either so I'm wondering why you're even posting here. Is it still to "help" us out? Or is it because you're such a stickler for the truth that you want to make sure we're all well-informed?

If so, you should try working for Fox News. They like to keep it "Fair and Balanced."



I would encourage mox to hang out here as he has been through a VJ process and has first-hand knowledge about it which he can share with others. Additionally, he has a unique VJ in the fact that it was terminated before completion, therefore offering even more of an insight. And as we all know, and Korat has been nice enough to illustrate for us, just because one VJ has finished, it doesn't mean you won't have another one down the line! Mox, I hope to see you on here still. "Wannabee?" I think not. "Experienced?" Now that's more like it.

Korat, I'm not really sure what a "Whooooooo Cares" is but it's pretty descriptive of what you've become. We do care though becasue we care for a nice slice of drama pie, so keep up with the antics if you're so inclined. As for your VJ, you also have a wealth of information and if you could present it in a non-insulting manner you could be taken seriously. Until that happens you're going to be viewed with skepticism and disdain.

And Satellite, I have to admit, I was wondering, "Where is Satellite?" during all this. Not waiting on you to chime in because you usually keep it strictly business, but just thought it was kind of fishy that you were MIA during the antics of the past couple days. Probably concentrating on work, school, fighting with the wife, etc. You know, real life drama, not the VJ variety. I'm not sure what to call that. Normal, maybe?

She's been busy studying lately as she's planning to apply for college as soon as she takes her SAT/ACT/etc. I'll see if I can get her back on here sometime though.

As far as another meltdown thread....I'm happy to say things have been completely smooth sailing since we got all that out of our systems. So I'm hoping some other couple will pick up the slack and provide the future entertainment. lol

Is this question directed at me? I can't answer why Korat/GiGii continues this obsession several years later, other than that he simply lacks the mental faculties present in most human beings to just chalk it up to experience and move on with their lives. I've never met him in person. I'd have never even had the misfortune of having any contact with him, had he (or possibly one of his YO "friends") not broken into Nadya's email account and read all of our personal correspondence. (she's non-tech savvy, and probably had an insanely weak password or something.) Your guess that he still hopes to be with her by eliminating all "competition" seems to be spot on though, as only a few months ago he sent her a gift via courier to try to "win" her back. And Nadya (the gold digger) took the expensive yet gaudy necklace out of its box, and threw it in the face of the courier and told him to pack sand. Might be the pre-natal vitamins or something I guess.

What Korat/GiGii can't seem to wrap his head around is that my relationship with Nadya is *over.* We are no longer together in any romantic sense. To paraphrase Monty Python, we are an ex-couple. He doesn't seem to understand that even if Nadya were pregnant, that other than the normal feelings associated with such a situation, I would simply be happy for her. I don't feel the feelings that Korat/GiGii wants me to feel, and this seems to be what is driving his rage.

What must Korat/GiGii's Ukrainian fiancee Boris think of all this? Does her fairly extensive coat of back hairs stand on edge as she hovers over Korat/GiGii's shoulder, her massive girth trembling with sadness as he continues to obsess over his new VJ friends? One can only imagine. Be strong Boris...be strong hon.

Sometimes you have to vent a little!



It was directed to you as you probably know more about this character than the rest of us. Thought maybe you knew his backstory and would be willing to "present some of the facts" for us to consider.

What you've presented is more than enough to paint the picture.

Waiting on his reply.

Please calm our suspicious natures by telling us about yourself.

Wow...... gone for a couple of months helping the new family settle in.... and I stumble across this. I agree with everything said in the above post. Paul/Korat - you are still obsessing over Nadya whether you recognize it or not. I truly pity your current GF. As for Kirk, he has always struck me (and still strikes me) as well-balanced and non-delusional although his VJ did not work out. He has moved on. You on the other hand need some really deep pyschological counseling. It is fortunate for you that Nadya is still in Russia or you would certainly have some type of restraining order placed against you.

NEW SUBJECT: Some of you have mentioned that you would like to see some wife/fiancee posts. It would certainly be fun to see Slim's wife come out of hiding and post here. My wife has posted here once. She has now been in the USA 4 months and is friends with a russian gal that has been here 2 months. We are going to their wedding on Saturday. It was interesting hearing them speak of the ups and downs of adjusting to life here in the USA. Would you like me to see if my wife Natalia would be willing to post here again?

Buck

Welcome back, Buck. Glad to hear it's going well for you guys and I would like to see your wife on here and to hear her side of the adjustment process. As far as getting my wife on here as well, I doubt it. However, if more wives were on here, maybe she would take part. As for now, her involvement is going to be limited to scanning posts to make sure I don't put too much of our personal business out there and shed her in a bad light. My wife is wonderful and I love her so much. I'm the luckiest man in the world and so lucky that she allows me the privelege to share the space around her. I am nothing and she is my queen. (Still reading, darling?)

Nadya will not stop here. If Mox left the blacklists alone, I would not care. But he took them down.

Mox, I would not care that you paying Nadya to be your fiancee and she got knocked by some local man when she tell you how she actually loved, does not bother me either. I saw your photos and I know what she looks like, so I know why you ran around like a boy who kissed playmate. When women who grab easy cash from lying, cheating, and manipulate men just encourages other to do so. Despite asking an american about divorce and how quickly you can get a green card.

But the fact that she encouraged others to do so within the hospital and other in YO. Believe some people want to find someone serious and encourage golddiggers and scammers just destroys the ability of good people to find pleasant people over there.
You want to forgive her, than ok. But it was my letters that I posted on the blacklist site that you threaten them so much they took them down.
So when Nadya, or her roommates or a fellow co-worker does the same thing to another American, because Nadya profited and fact the fat guy does not even care is a bonus, what are you going to say to these guys?
But you care about is that fact you had a dream girl who pretend to be your fiancee.

Buck, my friends who are very close are in the city of Yoshkar-Ola. Some are almost like family. I care what crap that some schmuck does to destroy the fabric of formerly pleasant city in Russia. It is now the scamming capital of Eastern Europe and full of corruption.
It was interesting that one time, some lady random emailed me from a website asking the usual stuff and within 5 letters, she was doing the usual travel agency visa scam. So I post the letters on blacklist site with her email. I messed up and actual put my own email and I was getting letter from these guys who asking about this lady who is bonofide scammer. I was amazed that a man who sees that they are being scammed still continues on the fantasy that this person actually exists or even cares about them.
What I see is that the scams are getting more sophisticated and vicious. Although Nadya is just one, there are way more than her. I know some Americans who got caught on the Green Card Wife abuse scam. The women are bringing over the real Russian fiance as we speak. I know one Canadian was divorced in a think a record, just over a week, from his Ukrainian bride. She is now living with a Russian man, but they decided that they were not getting married, because the Canadian is paying for Child support. Another Canadian married a Russian woman in YO, bought her flat for her family and then decided that she did not want to be him with anymore. She uses the child that they had together as leverage to get payments of $1000 a month plus a brand new car and yearly trips to Turkey. She told me in Russia when this man that was next me, that she wanted a divorce and she never loved him (in Russian of course). My jaw dropped when I heard this and here is a man who thought she loved him and she is telling me in Russian that she wants him out of his life. HE was so in love that I tried to help him. Taking way every argument she had not coming to stay in Canada. But like Kirk, this man wanted his fantasy. I am not sure he will actually tell you the truth, but Kirk emailed me first and I even offered to him, but I wanted my promise ring back. He lied to me that he was just seeing her. But what do you expect when a man brings an engagement ring to a woman that he has never seen. I think he will not tell the truth in the beginning most of Nadya's emails were not hers, but scamming agency writing letters on her behalf. I hear all this crap about her at her job telling everyone that she is only looking for a quick vacation to California. That she was laughing that she never marry a fat man who has kids as old as she was. If he had enough money then the green card scam was an option. Do you need to see the email again?

So you tell me when this when you know some lady is out to screw some else's life up just for profit, should you let them? If they are successful in profiting at this, you know that she will find 5-6 more ladies that will do the same. I bet you do nothing. Me, I found out who they are screwing over and make sure they know, this man will find out.

Slim, I always wonder how Jerry Springer became may or of your great city. After reading your entries, I know how.
It is funny when I was over foreign countries and having the advantage of speaking the language in the city that I was in, I hear men and women planning to screw over some American. Because you are my neighbour and always thought you were our friends, I always warned these guys what was going to happen. When I was in Nikolaev, I was in bar with American Soldier from Iraq, although he had fiancee that supposely loved, he was finding extra entertainment with another lady. I heard her say that she was interested in wallet and phone to another man in the disco. I warned him, but like Kirk, ignored it. When I was leaving, I told the bouncers that if he lost his documentation being being American military, there will be Sh*t to pay for and they are the ones who were going to pay. I saw him the next day and he had only his phone stolen. Next time, I will not interfere. When I am in the USA, if someone is robbing someone, I will do the thing you suggest and walk away, because it is none of my business.
Slim, again you are right who friggin cares. If fellow Americans are getting scammed or the green card scam, the screw them. Their problem. If a whole city with an unique culture in the world, become infiltrated with mafia to become the scam capital of the Eastern Block, not my problem. Let them eat carp.
If I decide to move to America, I will remember your advice. Do not help anyone but yourself. If someone is getting scammed, robbed, murdered, or raped, that is their problem. Again, now I understand how Jerry Springer was your mayor.

Hey Buck, nice to see you around again. I'd definitely like to see more fiancee's/wives post here, and I think everyone found Natalia's thoughts interesting, so please, have her post again. Start a new thread when you do it though, so it's not buried in the drama.