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pavlinka18
Hi guys, I'm kind of lost and don't really know what to do. Me and my husband got maried in january 06, I have received my conditional GC in november 07 after waiting for almost 2 years. I have entered the marrige in good faith, but sadly for many reasons things just didn't work out between us. I was the one who has decided to leave and now my husband is trying to make me pay for it since the day I left. He gave me yesterday a letter from a lawyer's office, which is address to office of dention and removal operations and says, that he believes that I have married him only for immigrations benefits and he is asking for my removal and hoping that this proces can be initiated without having to wait until it's time to file I-751. I was truly in shock, I would have never thought he would do anythig like that to me. Can anybody give me any advise on what to do or what is going to happened with me now. Thank you very much for all your answers.
Kathryn41
I am sorry that you are having problems and that the marriage didn't work out. First, you need to remember that USCIS is used to angry and disgruntled spouses complaining to them that their former partners need to be deported and they are not going to believe him without proof. He can address all of the letters to ICE that he wants but without evidence they won't carry much weight. If you have your conditional green card you are valid in the US until the expiry date on your green card. You can live here and you can work here until then.

You will need to remove the conditions on your green card and you will still have to prove that your marriage was a valid one. It will be more difficult if you have left and don't have access to things like joint bank account statements, etc. You can request copies of your tax receipts if you filed jointly and you may be able to get letters from banks to show that you were listed as a joint holder on the bank account, etc. You have some time to try and gather this evidence. Once you are divorced, You can file to remove conditions on your green card before the 2nd anniversary and you can request a 'waiver' from filing the application with your husband because of that divorce.

You would do well to try and talk to a family lawyer regarding the divorce and possibly an immigration lawyer to assist you in preparing the Removal of Conditions application when the time is right. Good luck, and again, I am sorry that your marriage didn't work out.
paothao
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Jun 26 2008, 08:48 PM) *
I am sorry that you are having problems and that the marriage didn't work out. First, you need to remember that USCIS is used to angry and disgruntled spouses complaining to them that their former partners need to be deported and they are not going to believe him without proof. He can address all of the letters to ICE that he wants but without evidence they won't carry much weight. If you have your conditional green card you are valid in the US until the expiry date on your green card. You can live here and you can work here until then.

You will need to remove the conditions on your green card and you will still have to prove that your marriage was a valid one. It will be more difficult if you have left and don't have access to things like joint bank account statements, etc. You can request copies of your tax receipts if you filed jointly and you may be able to get letters from banks to show that you were listed as a joint holder on the bank account, etc. You have some time to try and gather this evidence. Once you are divorced, You can file to remove conditions on your green card before the 2nd anniversary and you can request a 'waiver' from filing the application with your husband because of that divorce.

You would do well to try and talk to a family lawyer regarding the divorce and possibly an immigration lawyer to assist you in preparing the Removal of Conditions application when the time is right. Good luck, and again, I am sorry that your marriage didn't work out.


This happened far too often and many of my friends had the same problem (foreign wife left the husband after getting GC - so I'll give my two cents).

I am sorry to hear this story happened to any marriage, sadly it happened too many times in VJ forum, that after getting GC, many marriage fell apart. I wonder to myself, it is true love from the beginning or fraud intention from the beginning?
sheraz
QUOTE(paothao @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) *
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Jun 26 2008, 08:48 PM) *
I am sorry that you are having problems and that the marriage didn't work out. First, you need to remember that USCIS is used to angry and disgruntled spouses complaining to them that their former partners need to be deported and they are not going to believe him without proof. He can address all of the letters to ICE that he wants but without evidence they won't carry much weight. If you have your conditional green card you are valid in the US until the expiry date on your green card. You can live here and you can work here until then.

You will need to remove the conditions on your green card and you will still have to prove that your marriage was a valid one. It will be more difficult if you have left and don't have access to things like joint bank account statements, etc. You can request copies of your tax receipts if you filed jointly and you may be able to get letters from banks to show that you were listed as a joint holder on the bank account, etc. You have some time to try and gather this evidence. Once you are divorced, You can file to remove conditions on your green card before the 2nd anniversary and you can request a 'waiver' from filing the application with your husband because of that divorce.

You would do well to try and talk to a family lawyer regarding the divorce and possibly an immigration lawyer to assist you in preparing the Removal of Conditions application when the time is right. Good luck, and again, I am sorry that your marriage didn't work out.


This happened far too often and many of my friends had the same problem (foreign wife left the husband after getting GC - so I'll give my two cents).

I am sorry to hear this story happened to any marriage, sadly it happened too many times in VJ forum, that after getting GC, many marriage fell apart. I wonder to myself, it is true love from the beginning or fraud intention from the beginning?


You are absolutely right. I think unless the initator of this thread was not battered or in an abusive relationship, she should not have left her husband.
Permanent resisdance is a privlage given to the spouse of a US citizen and is not a right. The only reason she came to US was to live with her husband. If for what ever reasons the couple could not live together, in my opinion, she should go back to her home country. The reasons for which she entered the US do not apply to her situation. If she did gain citizenship, than she has rights. Untill then permanent resisdence is a privlage and the USC spouse has all the rights.
Aussielad
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 27 2008, 09:53 AM) *
QUOTE(paothao @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) *
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Jun 26 2008, 08:48 PM) *
I am sorry that you are having problems and that the marriage didn't work out. First, you need to remember that USCIS is used to angry and disgruntled spouses complaining to them that their former partners need to be deported and they are not going to believe him without proof. He can address all of the letters to ICE that he wants but without evidence they won't carry much weight. If you have your conditional green card you are valid in the US until the expiry date on your green card. You can live here and you can work here until then.

You will need to remove the conditions on your green card and you will still have to prove that your marriage was a valid one. It will be more difficult if you have left and don't have access to things like joint bank account statements, etc. You can request copies of your tax receipts if you filed jointly and you may be able to get letters from banks to show that you were listed as a joint holder on the bank account, etc. You have some time to try and gather this evidence. Once you are divorced, You can file to remove conditions on your green card before the 2nd anniversary and you can request a 'waiver' from filing the application with your husband because of that divorce.

You would do well to try and talk to a family lawyer regarding the divorce and possibly an immigration lawyer to assist you in preparing the Removal of Conditions application when the time is right. Good luck, and again, I am sorry that your marriage didn't work out.


This happened far too often and many of my friends had the same problem (foreign wife left the husband after getting GC - so I'll give my two cents).

I am sorry to hear this story happened to any marriage, sadly it happened too many times in VJ forum, that after getting GC, many marriage fell apart. I wonder to myself, it is true love from the beginning or fraud intention from the beginning?


You are absolutely right. I think unless the initator of this thread was not battered or in an abusive relationship, she should not have left her husband.
Permanent resisdance is a privlage given to the spouse of a US citizen and is not a right. The only reason she came to US was to live with her husband. If for what ever reasons the couple could not live together, in my opinion, she should go back to her home country. The reasons for which she entered the US do not apply to her situation. If she did gain citizenship, than she has rights. Untill then permanent resisdence is a privlage and the USC spouse has all the rights.



what little understanding you have......closed minded......we aren't in Pakistan you know? where the woman has to walk behin the man like a dog on a leash.
sheraz
QUOTE(Aussielad @ Jun 27 2008, 09:32 AM) *
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 27 2008, 09:53 AM) *
QUOTE(paothao @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) *
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Jun 26 2008, 08:48 PM) *
I am sorry that you are having problems and that the marriage didn't work out. First, you need to remember that USCIS is used to angry and disgruntled spouses complaining to them that their former partners need to be deported and they are not going to believe him without proof. He can address all of the letters to ICE that he wants but without evidence they won't carry much weight. If you have your conditional green card you are valid in the US until the expiry date on your green card. You can live here and you can work here until then.

You will need to remove the conditions on your green card and you will still have to prove that your marriage was a valid one. It will be more difficult if you have left and don't have access to things like joint bank account statements, etc. You can request copies of your tax receipts if you filed jointly and you may be able to get letters from banks to show that you were listed as a joint holder on the bank account, etc. You have some time to try and gather this evidence. Once you are divorced, You can file to remove conditions on your green card before the 2nd anniversary and you can request a 'waiver' from filing the application with your husband because of that divorce.

You would do well to try and talk to a family lawyer regarding the divorce and possibly an immigration lawyer to assist you in preparing the Removal of Conditions application when the time is right. Good luck, and again, I am sorry that your marriage didn't work out.


This happened far too often and many of my friends had the same problem (foreign wife left the husband after getting GC - so I'll give my two cents).

I am sorry to hear this story happened to any marriage, sadly it happened too many times in VJ forum, that after getting GC, many marriage fell apart. I wonder to myself, it is true love from the beginning or fraud intention from the beginning?


You are absolutely right. I think unless the initator of this thread was not battered or in an abusive relationship, she should not have left her husband.
Permanent resisdance is a privlage given to the spouse of a US citizen and is not a right. The only reason she came to US was to live with her husband. If for what ever reasons the couple could not live together, in my opinion, she should go back to her home country. The reasons for which she entered the US do not apply to her situation. If she did gain citizenship, than she has rights. Untill then permanent resisdence is a privlage and the USC spouse has all the rights.



what little understanding you have......closed minded......we aren't in Pakistan you know? where the woman has to walk behin the man like a dog on a leash.


By the way I am a USC and so I know the process
Its not about man or woman. It is about USC and their foreign spouse. The foreign spouse got the visa to be with the USC based on being an IMMEDIATE RELATIVE. The foreign spouse does not get the visa based on job or education or need.
So once the situation that the couple are no longer IMMEDIATE RELATIVES, there is no reason for the foreign spouse to be in the US. He or She could apply H1 visa or other.
Can you think of any reason for the foreign spouse to stay in US if the categoray to which he or she applied for does not apply to his or her situation.
If you can then the thread initiator should probably write that to the ICE.
russian_armenian
Sheraz, I feel sorry for your spouse crying.gif You sound like a slave owner on plantation! You are saying: "She has got a benefit through me and even if I am an ###... she has to stick around or go back" kicking.gif (something tells me that even if you are a USC, you were raised in a culture with a far cries for democracy and western values).
I dont know your family situation, but I am sure that most USCs marry "normal" foreigners with some life established in home countries (career, social status which is often higher than USC can offer here). USC dont marry some trash from a street in some 3rd word country. Usually these aliens are from middle or upper-middle class in those countries (which maybe financially less than upper-middle class here but not a rule). Plus, apart from any financial aspects of life, in most countries the stereotype about Americans is as of good-hearted straight-forward casual hard-working family-oriented people (as opposed to always drunk Russian, mucho Latino, harem-holder Arab, always-on-a-budget Swiss, penny-counting French, time-obsessed German, shoes-with-holes-but-bank-account-with-000000 Indian, etc).
The alien has uprooted herself and came here for a better life. Yes. Because a good husband is a better life. I am sure there is some people who marry for GC only (but I think it is a self-inflicted torture lasted a few years to pretend, to lie, to have sex, to cook, ... for a person you dont have any any any feelings. Somebody really has to be so wronged in a native country). To go back home after years here, it is the same as to start from the beginning. I dont think it is fare since if marriage fails; it is usually due to both parties (not the alien only). Plus, divorce rate here is close to 70% but it is about 30% for marriages between USC and foreigner. So much for a marriage fraud, ah.
But I am sure that some USC marry with the same as Sheraz mindset-they dont bring a spouse to this county (the spouse who has the same rights and benefits as otherwise American spouse) but they bring a spouse-slave (powerless submissive attachment to a USC spouse). I think this 30% divorce rate is made of these relationships in bulk.
"Angry spouse" letter to CIS (without any factual evidence of the fraud) is just a testimony to immaturity and selfishness of the author. There are civilized ways to end a marriage. Mismatched expectations are pain for both. Exercising power by writing a letter to CIS (just because he can-without otherwise any factual basis) is suatable way for actually a very helpless and weak personality. Only a weak person has a need to prove that he is a strong one. A weak person cannot move on without doing some collateral damage.

QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 27 2008, 11:14 AM) *
QUOTE(Aussielad @ Jun 27 2008, 09:32 AM) *
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 27 2008, 09:53 AM) *
QUOTE(paothao @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) *
QUOTE(Kathryn41 @ Jun 26 2008, 08:48 PM) *
I am sorry that you are having problems and that the marriage didn't work out. First, you need to remember that USCIS is used to angry and disgruntled spouses complaining to them that their former partners need to be deported and they are not going to believe him without proof. He can address all of the letters to ICE that he wants but without evidence they won't carry much weight. If you have your conditional green card you are valid in the US until the expiry date on your green card. You can live here and you can work here until then.

You will need to remove the conditions on your green card and you will still have to prove that your marriage was a valid one. It will be more difficult if you have left and don't have access to things like joint bank account statements, etc. You can request copies of your tax receipts if you filed jointly and you may be able to get letters from banks to show that you were listed as a joint holder on the bank account, etc. You have some time to try and gather this evidence. Once you are divorced, You can file to remove conditions on your green card before the 2nd anniversary and you can request a 'waiver' from filing the application with your husband because of that divorce.

You would do well to try and talk to a family lawyer regarding the divorce and possibly an immigration lawyer to assist you in preparing the Removal of Conditions application when the time is right. Good luck, and again, I am sorry that your marriage didn't work out.


This happened far too often and many of my friends had the same problem (foreign wife left the husband after getting GC - so I'll give my two cents).

I am sorry to hear this story happened to any marriage, sadly it happened too many times in VJ forum, that after getting GC, many marriage fell apart. I wonder to myself, it is true love from the beginning or fraud intention from the beginning?


You are absolutely right. I think unless the initator of this thread was not battered or in an abusive relationship, she should not have left her husband.
Permanent resisdance is a privlage given to the spouse of a US citizen and is not a right. The only reason she came to US was to live with her husband. If for what ever reasons the couple could not live together, in my opinion, she should go back to her home country. The reasons for which she entered the US do not apply to her situation. If she did gain citizenship, than she has rights. Untill then permanent resisdence is a privlage and the USC spouse has all the rights.



what little understanding you have......closed minded......we aren't in Pakistan you know? where the woman has to walk behin the man like a dog on a leash.


By the way I am a USC and so I know the process
Its not about man or woman. It is about USC and their foreign spouse. The foreign spouse got the visa to be with the USC based on being an IMMEDIATE RELATIVE. The foreign spouse does not get the visa based on job or education or need.
So once the situation that the couple are no longer IMMEDIATE RELATIVES, there is no reason for the foreign spouse to be in the US. He or She could apply H1 visa or other.
Can you think of any reason for the foreign spouse to stay in US if the categoray to which he or she applied for does not apply to his or her situation.
If you can then the thread initiator should probably write that to the ICE.

diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 27 2008, 11:14 AM) *
By the way I am a USC and so I know the process

Well, then you should know that USCIS is only concerned with the intent of the alien upon entering the marriage. If there are issues after marriage and the adjustment of status approval the alien is not bound to remain married in order to preserve residency status.
pavlinka18
I have posted here my problem, because I have believed that I'm on the right web site. This is a site where ppl are talking about their problems with immigration law and not a Dr. Phil's office! I was just trying to find out any information on what is going to happened to me or what the usual procedure is in situations like that, if I have to file for anything. But almost everybody here keeps discussing what SHOULD happened to me now, who is right and who is wrong or who is the bad guy and who is the right guy. I'm sorry but I don't need to hear that, I have heard enough of all that from all my friends and ppl close to me, who know me & my huband.
However I would like to say thank you to Kathryn41, Aussielad, Russian Armenian, Diadromous Mermaid.
And to YOU - Sheraz. I feel very sorry for your wife, if you even have any! What a arrogant person you are! You dont know me or my huband, you don't know anything about our relationship. So how dare you to judge me! I really didn't want to write here all the reasons my marriage didn't work out, because it's nobody's business and I don't feel too comfortable to be sharing it with ppl what I even don't know. But ok Sheraz here:
endless lying and loss of trust due that
not coming home for a nite, sometimes two- no explanations for that
not taking part in any resposibilities (paying bills, cleaning, cooking etc.)
me working 65 hours weekly, my husband bearly 30 hours weekly (you do the math, who paid for everything)
bringing drugs to our house with intentions to be selling them
And bunch of other stuff, which I don't want to even write here. You see me as some cold hearted b***. But you are wrong! I'm upset and hurting. I have tried to work our problems out, I really did, for more than 2 years, but nothing ever changed, it was just getting worst. I have learned one thing though: it is different to date and be in love with somebody then to live with somebody. I have to admit - I think we were both too young to get married but at that time, we just didn't know.
I don't know what else to say, I'm just getting more depressed here, so.........
Thank you for all your support.
NickD
I have received my conditional GC in november 07

My interest in this with the USCIS screwing around with my wife's I-751 is what happens when the one year extension runs out that came very close. I didn't keep bookmarks, but in one spot I read in the USCIS is that once a permanent resident, always a permanent resident, so you can't be deported even with an expired card. But you cannot work or travel.

Another spot, and this dealt with the fact that you did not send in the I-751 application in due time, you can be deported, so you better put a big fat X on your calendar and make sure you send in your I-751 in August 2009 or 90 days before you green card expires with the options of abuse, hardship, or still married.

Wife seems to find internet friends from her country, one friend knows of another, we met a couple in person, or she talks to them on the phone, this one woman came here and married the sweetest guy in the world until the I do was said, then he demanded she be a maid in his motel firing his paid maid. Stuff like that happens, I recommended she would get a good immigration attorney, even recommended one, but she didn't have the money and managed to handle the I-751 on her own. She quit her job in her former country, sold or gave away her assets, and was able to establish herself here finding a job, buying a car and even a small house, so she got the hardship. She is about a year ahead of us and has been very helpful in sharing her experiences with the USCIS, today, she is a US citizen.

With marriages, there is always two sides to the story, so I don't like to get into that, but you asked what you should do, make damn sure you send in your I-751 on time if you want to stay here, be honest, and see what happens. The I-751 is one of the better written forms, not like the I-130 or the N-400 where the way the questions are asked, causes your head to spin.
KarenCee
Pavlinka, please ignore those who only want to criticize...you have been given some excellent advice by Kathryn41. It is unfortunate but you will find those that do not want to offer advice but merely to speculate and judge, as you have already found out and quite frankly it is not their place to assume anything about your situation. I do hope you find a resolution to your situation. I can only say again that the advice given to you by Kathryn is excellent. Best wishes rose.gif
Euro
QUOTE
Can you think of any reason for the foreign spouse to stay in US
Umm because she wants to unsure.gif , it is HER choice!!,NOT her husbands OR your's


QUOTE
what little understanding you have......closed minded......we aren't in Pakistan you know? where the woman has to walk behin the man like a dog on a leash.
tongue.gif .and THIS made me spit my coffee, LOL
NickD
If you live in a state with no fault divorce laws, no judgment of either party is permitted, just how the marriage assets are going to be divided with the attorneys trying to get their share. But that is one issue, the other is the USCIS and generally one word against the other.

pavlinka18 can just as easily sat her spouse brought her her to use her and never had the intention that confirms to the marriage contact, if judged so, USCIS can fine/imprison him. Generally just better to get the divorce and let it go at that. And pavlinka18, do you really want to stay here after that bad experience. Don't answer that question, not any bodies here business, but just something to think about.

May be good to consult with an immigration attorney that specializes in conditional residency cases, but whatever you do, don't forget to file you I-751 90 days before your 3rd anniversary if you want to stay here.
Kathryn41
I think Nick meant to say remember to file starting 90 days before your 2nd year green card anniversary, not your 3rd anniversary:-). You can also file immediately after the divorce if it happens before then. Good luck.
russian_armenian
Kathryn41 is always giving a great advice good.gif good.gif
Just want to add to her post. CIS would learn from your husband that you have left. So, yes, you need to send I-751 with wavier from joint signature but not at 2 years minus 90 days anniversary of your conditional GC but as soon as your divorce became final. In a meantime, by rules you have to notify CIS of address change and about separation. New I-751 form allows to send without final divorce decree but only if you are aproaching a deadline. Otherwise, you can send it even now if you got divorce already. By the time divorce would finalize, you have to make sure that you got a hold to as many docs proving shared residence, comigled finances and social life as you can. Docs tend to get lost in time, so, better to get everything now. Ask friends/neigbours to write affidevits now-you might loose contact in future. "Angry spouse letters" are very common. Prepare your response.
PS: hopefully, somebody adds about the procedure to notify CIS about separation (I-751 or just a letter; I dont remember but there is been CIS memo about it)

QUOTE(KarenCee @ Jun 28 2008, 07:10 AM) *
Pavlinka, please ignore those who only want to criticize...you have been given some excellent advice by Kathryn41. It is unfortunate but you will find those that do not want to offer advice but merely to speculate and judge, as you have already found out and quite frankly it is not their place to assume anything about your situation. I do hope you find a resolution to your situation. I can only say again that the advice given to you by Kathryn is excellent. Best wishes rose.gif

NickD
I think Nick meant to say remember to file starting 90 days before your 2nd year green card anniversary, not your 3rd anniversary:-). You can also file immediately after the divorce if it happens before then. Good luck.


Yes, NickD definitely and indubitably meant to say before the 2nd anniversary of your green card.

NickD's fingers are habitual with N-400 applications, but are being slapped now.
cherr1980
OMg...I really hope things will work for you.
Dont even listen to some short minded people...thank Goodness we are civilized and some women decided to fight for divorce rights and vote rights and many others regardless if you are an alien or not in this world.

Since you are a conditional resident since 2007 you still are in time and with a valid green card. You need to gather ALL the evidence that you can about your married life. If you divorce, once you get your divorce decree you can file for your I-751 at any time. But looking at his attitude...you will have a very nasty battle in front of you.

You could left the home, but that place is still yours and you have rights on it. I will go back and pick up all the paperwork that is needed. He could call the police if he wants but you can demostrate that you live there and that is your home. Avoid confrontations...would be better if you go with a friend. Never meet alone.

Good luck!
sheraz
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.

dejeong
SIMPLE!!!!

once you know that he has the drugs stashed away in his house and has baggies or a scale, etc. call the cops and say you want to be anonymous

Just make sure you are sure that the drugs are there and the cops can at least find his finger print on the stuff and scale, etc.

He will get arrested and charged for intent to sell, and you file a divorce.

Your divorce will be smooth with his new criminal record and your I 751 can be filed without him.

Maybe try to enroll him to a drug rehab center and leave a record of your effort to help him.
dejeong
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 28 2008, 07:12 PM) *
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.


Well I agree with everyone. What others are saying is true, if the green card was for the marriage and to stay together, if no longer a need to stay together then no need for green card. If this was not enforced then our divorce rates will be so much higher than it already is now.

BUT, if the dude is messed up and the immigrant is trying to help save the marriage but just ends up in hardship or even harm, then the US should give condolences and full rights even citizenship saying sorry for the hard time here in the US and thank you for trying to save another American family but some Americans are too ###### up to be helped.
But it's not easy to prove that one side really tried and the other side just kept messing up, unless someone gets arrested or hospitalized...

So different case by case.

So I think everyone can agree to what everyone is saying but just clearify that this is not that case or that is not this case.
sheraz
QUOTE(dejeong @ Jun 29 2008, 04:06 AM) *
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 28 2008, 07:12 PM) *
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.


Well I agree with everyone. What others are saying is true, if the green card was for the marriage and to stay together, if no longer a need to stay together then no need for green card. If this was not enforced then our divorce rates will be so much higher than it already is now.

BUT, if the dude is messed up and the immigrant is trying to help save the marriage but just ends up in hardship or even harm, then the US should give condolences and full rights even citizenship saying sorry for the hard time here in the US and thank you for trying to save another American family but some Americans are too ###### up to be helped.
But it's not easy to prove that one side really tried and the other side just kept messing up, unless someone gets arrested or hospitalized...

So different case by case.

So I think everyone can agree to what everyone is saying but just clearify that this is not that case or that is not this case.


Your point is good. It is necessary and even difficult for people who have successful marriages to prove that the relationship is true in the eyes of USCIS . So it is even more difficult for people who have failed marriages (who ever's fault) to prove that the relationship was true but soured. A good lawyer is the best help.
Unless like you said someone is not hospitalized or screwed up in clear sense, then it is very very hard to prove. Especially to convince that USCIS to allow you to stay in the country. The burden of proof is on the OP. And its not very easy to show it.
Aussielad
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 29 2008, 12:58 PM) *
QUOTE(dejeong @ Jun 29 2008, 04:06 AM) *
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 28 2008, 07:12 PM) *
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.


Well I agree with everyone. What others are saying is true, if the green card was for the marriage and to stay together, if no longer a need to stay together then no need for green card. If this was not enforced then our divorce rates will be so much higher than it already is now.

BUT, if the dude is messed up and the immigrant is trying to help save the marriage but just ends up in hardship or even harm, then the US should give condolences and full rights even citizenship saying sorry for the hard time here in the US and thank you for trying to save another American family but some Americans are too ###### up to be helped.
But it's not easy to prove that one side really tried and the other side just kept messing up, unless someone gets arrested or hospitalized...

So different case by case.

So I think everyone can agree to what everyone is saying but just clearify that this is not that case or that is not this case.


Your point is good. It is necessary and even difficult for people who have successful marriages to prove that the relationship is true in the eyes of USCIS . So it is even more difficult for people who have failed marriages (who ever's fault) to prove that the relationship was true but soured. A good lawyer is the best help.
Unless like you said someone is not hospitalized or screwed up in clear sense, then it is very very hard to prove. Especially to convince that USCIS to allow you to stay in the country. The burden of proof is on the OP. And its not very easy to show it.


see....what you FAIL to see...which is so clear, is that a person has rights....its not a simple thing where 'if it doesn't work, send it back"........yeah maybe in your case, but sad for you, however people have rights, and by the way your talking, you aren't that far behind this guy whos threatening his wife to get her thrown out.
cherr1980
Not for criticizing but actually the I-751 is to demostrate that the marriage WAS/IS bona fide. The removal of the conditions with a divorce waiver is not based in how much the alien did or how to do to save the marriage. It is good sign if both or one of them decide to seek help but is not a must. The only thing that is a true fact to do in a removal of the conditions is that the alien enter in a good faith marriage and show evidence of it.

Nobody can save a marriage if BOTH individuals do not work together or one at least, recognized that there is, in fact, a problem to solve. Marriages does not go bad just because one person got in drugs or whatever psycho mood. Live with a person that is not "you" is already very difficult, and sorry but love is not enough unless you have been raised in that you must bleed until the last drop to save a marriage. Then in that case is a personal stand point of view not actually the I-751 point of view.

As long as you you can show that you indeed live together as husband and wife and you share financial/social responsabilities, even they are not the most practical ones in a modern world, then you are in the same level of evidence as a joint petition with the only difference is that your marriage is already over.

And a marriage regardless who ended it, is not about who has the right over the other...my goodness, no wonder why so many marriages failed. Of course there are issues that arise and in some circumstances one individual gets in peculiar attitudes that are damaging to the relationship. Regardless of it there is nothing in the law that says because your US spouse sponsored you s/he has more rights than the alien who is brought to the US. If that so, will be shame to live with a person that so easily can just trashed you and actually to gave those powers are just against the law.

It is SO easy to say like "oh well since you came and did not work, okay bye bye"...well, what about the US citizen pay me back the taxes and all the tax refunds that I help to keep huh? oh and all the money that I put to pay the house...and the car and hose nice dinners? What about the sacrificies that the other person did to came here just because maybe it was easier if you knew already the language and your US spouse was lazy enough to not learn your language? who says that every single alien who move to the US to be with their spouse do it because is "the American dream" (which I have no idea what it is...becuase I just go to work and live) give me a break. When you decided to marry you make decisions. What about the case that it was easier to one spouse came here instead to the other move due to type of job, career, language knowledge, sick family, etc?

russian_armenian
About the racism: I am a racist toward any FANATIC –muslim, christian, jewish, etc. (my opinion- any fanatic is a potential terrorist; and I hate terrorism and for me terrorism is not equal to Islam in any way( as for many, by the way)). Your wife’s country of origin have not made me annoyed but your post did. I have my respect to any Pakistani or Moroccan or Egyptian with good heart and good morals. I have met many people from Mid East-I was fortunate, very nice people and some are my friends (and muslim women I met are not timid submissive types-they are smart women who rule in their families).
Your post made me angry because you have denied any rights to OP (without even any knowledge abut the situation).
You have called me a racist but it is your post that clearly discriminates immigrants who got PR through marriage. In my Western mind, husband and wife have equal rights. But you give more rights to USC; in power games (like “angry spouse letters”) you wish that USC have this privilege to deport an ex.
I did/don’t know the whole OP’s family situation too but would assume that in most cases people marry USC not for GC (there is marriage fraud but I don’t believe that it is a rule in every divorce after GC).
You have never mentioned GC fraud-you said that everybody should be deported if marriage fails only because GC was given through marriage. It does sound like a slave master: “ I gave GC, I have a right to revoke it if you/me decide to divorce”. I just felt sorry for your wife and imagined what hell of a life I would create for my husband if he ever said/implied this to me (after everything I did for our family). My husband petitioned for my GC BUT if he would ever start to behave that I am in forever debt to him because I got my PR due to him-it will be beginning of our divorce process. EVERY USC PETITION CIS FOR A SPOUSE GC BECAUSE THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR USC TOO (it is not done under duress-USC proposes/completes the immigration process because benefits beat the hassle (unless, of course, USC is a masochist and likes to inflict pain/problems on himself). Good that legislation is more fare and democratic than you (Sheraz, it is not personal. You might be nice smart kind person. But might be raised to believe where men have more rights to women or some social group is superior to other etc. We don’t usually think about this issues and just follow the mainstream/culture/traditional thinking (our parents played a role here). )

QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 28 2008, 11:12 PM) *
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.

russian_armenian
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QUOTE(cherr1980 @ Jun 29 2008, 09:45 PM) *
well, what about the US citizen pay me back the taxes and all the tax refunds that I help to keep huh? oh and all the money that I put to pay the house...and the car and hose nice dinners? What about the sacrificies that the other person did to came here just because maybe it was easier if you knew already the language and your US spouse was lazy enough to not learn your language? who says that every single alien who move to the US to be with their spouse do it because is "the American dream" (which I have no idea what it is...becuase I just go to work and live) give me a break. When you decided to marry you make decisions. What about the case that it was easier to one spouse came here instead to the other move due to type of job, career, language knowledge, sick family, etc?

NickD
Ha, can always marry the girl or guy next door, but that didn't work for neither my wife or me. The USC applies for the I-130 petition, the alien for the I-485, but the USC is also stuck with the I-864. Some mysterious biological attraction that science does not understand to have to go through all this BS to get together, and I did take issue with the USCIS in that I felt I was treated like a kid.

And I should have been treated like a kid in my first marriage, damn easy to get married, but never even realized the huge machine and people making a damn good living off of a divorce. And asked why in the hell did I take my ex back when she got real stubborn and broke our engagement just two days before our wedding date, must have been nuts. Not saying she is a bad person, still the mother of my kids, but we were not certainly meant for each other and it was a life of pure hell. Was done with marriage, period after that long and extremely expensive divorce.

Have to say with the USCIS, much older and wiser now in choosing a mate, it does give you time to think, and has to be a very strong commitment between both parties. A huge financial responsibility for the USC and a great sacrifice for the alien in leaving her assets, family, and culture behind to come to a strange country.

After knowing my wife for a year and both of us darn sure we wanted to spend our lives together, had to wait another year because of the USCIS. During that time we got to spend some time together, but were both faced with many problems that we had to work out together. Ha, back then faced with new problems, by wife asked me if I stilled loved her, that started a trend, never say I love you, always say, I still love you.

I feel that K thingy is stupid where you get 90 days to get hitched, kind of forces you into a tight deadline, either you get hitched or that ends your relationship. 90 days just isn't long enough to really get to know a person. But in that year, we solved all of our problems together, including the USCIS and I signed the I-864 without hesitation, but did scare the hell out of me.

With all these safeguards, makes a guy wonder why things go wrong, can only figure when one tricks the other, or whatever, for that long period of time, they should win Oscars for being damn great actors. But it happens both ways, USC is looking for a salve or a sex object, alien is trying by any means to get here and apparently the USCIS did incorporate provisions for situations like that. Just have to present you case and see what happens, and none of us are really in the position to judge just based on a few words.

I don't even know if our marriage will last forever, forever is a long time. Wife and I talked about that just once, we have no intentions of breaking up today, but we did agree, if we did, we would thank each other for the most six wonderful years of our lives. Hopefully, next year if will be the seven best years of our lives. Dang, why couldn't we have met 25 years ago?
sheraz
QUOTE(russian_armenian @ Jun 29 2008, 08:46 PM) *
About the racism: I am a racist toward any FANATIC –muslim, christian, jewish, etc. (my opinion- any fanatic is a potential terrorist; and I hate terrorism and for me terrorism is not equal to Islam in any way( as for many, by the way)). Your wife’s country of origin have not made me annoyed but your post did. I have my respect to any Pakistani or Moroccan or Egyptian with good heart and good morals. I have met many people from Mid East-I was fortunate, very nice people and some are my friends (and muslim women I met are not timid submissive types-they are smart women who rule in their families).
Your post made me angry because you have denied any rights to OP (without even any knowledge abut the situation).
You have called me a racist but it is your post that clearly discriminates immigrants who got PR through marriage. In my Western mind, husband and wife have equal rights. But you give more rights to USC; in power games (like “angry spouse letters”) you wish that USC have this privilege to deport an ex.
I did/don’t know the whole OP’s family situation too but would assume that in most cases people marry USC not for GC (there is marriage fraud but I don’t believe that it is a rule in every divorce after GC).
You have never mentioned GC fraud-you said that everybody should be deported if marriage fails only because GC was given through marriage. It does sound like a slave master: “ I gave GC, I have a right to revoke it if you/me decide to divorce”. I just felt sorry for your wife and imagined what hell of a life I would create for my husband if he ever said/implied this to me (after everything I did for our family). My husband petitioned for my GC BUT if he would ever start to behave that I am in forever debt to him because I got my PR due to him-it will be beginning of our divorce process. EVERY USC PETITION CIS FOR A SPOUSE GC BECAUSE THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR USC TOO (it is not done under duress-USC proposes/completes the immigration process because benefits beat the hassle (unless, of course, USC is a masochist and likes to inflict pain/problems on himself). Good that legislation is more fare and democratic than you (Sheraz, it is not personal. You might be nice smart kind person. But might be raised to believe where men have more rights to women or some social group is superior to other etc. We don’t usually think about this issues and just follow the mainstream/culture/traditional thinking (our parents played a role here). )

QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 28 2008, 11:12 PM) *
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.



What I dont like is the whole immigration system screwed up because of marriage frauds. There are terrorist who hailed from the middle east and gave my whole religion and community a bad eye. In the same way, there are some immigrants who took social security benefits and entire communities are given a bad eye. There are hundreds to success stories of children of immigrants( the google guys) who have made it big but the whole country thinks that immigrants only come to a US to make money and contribute nothing. Now people are even complaining about anchor babies and their parents. I myself am a naturalized citizen and can easily say that there are differences that remain between naturalized, born by birth and native born.

Your point is well taken that the USC should not say that since I brought you to US, you should be my slave. Everyone has equal rights and USC could have simply married the person next door. My entire point in my original post was simply that the anyone in the situation of the OP has to evaluate the situation carefully. There have been hundreds to incidences from paksitan where guys have married caucasion women and as soon as they get their green card, they end the marriage. Now it has all visa category system in Pakistan to a complete crawl. Legitimate couples are stuck because USCIS cannot distinguish fraudulent marriages from legitimate ones. If all marriages were legit, USCIS would not have required temp GC holders to remove condiitions.

It is very difficult to distinguish between a marriage which was entered in good faith and ended and between one which was fraudulent and faked from the begining. What type of evidence do you think will allow USCIS to distinguish between the two
NickD
It is very difficult to distinguish between a marriage which was entered in good faith and ended and between one which was fraudulent and faked from the beginning. What type of evidence do you think will allow USCIS to distinguish between the two.

Time seems to work and wouldn't be so bad if the immigrant was issued some kind of conditional passport so they could see their family once in awhile. Not easy to maintain a foreign passport while living here as a permanent resident.

Since 1986 with immigration limited to 50K people with a lottery, besides a temporary work permit, how else can people come here besides marriage?

At first, there was over 2 million applicants and fraud was discovered, but more extensive background checks reduced that number to under 150,000 applications per year where it has been running around 140,000 per year since then. Many due to military service, but brother fell head over heels for a girl in Iran, if you can believe Iran was our ally at one time and he has stationed there, her father and religious ideals put an end to that. But I still know my brother still loves that girl.

I traveled to South America, had the notion that Latin American women were hot tempered that threw things, my wife sure isn't that way. The I-751 would not have been bad at all, if they processed the application within 90 days liked they implied they would. We were lucky to get our cards in 14 months, but that was after a lot of pushing, many were taken over two years, that isn't fair either.

I feel with the severe penalties imposed, anybody would be stupid to bring a person here using marriage as the vehicle. Ironically I was dating someone else when I met my wife and told her so. But sure had second thoughts, the woman I was dating slipped with a comment that opened a can of worms that led to revealing that a six month relationship has all a pack of lies. Time does stuff like that, not only for the USCIS, but for us as well. Have to say, since meeting my wife, just not interested in even looking and has been that way for over six years now. But the only stress we have been put through, is by the USCIS, so that puts a dent in things as well.
russian_armenian
I know what you mean. I was told that the checks and the whole process lasts forever for Mid East folks specially Pakistanis. I dont know if it is related to terrorism issues or high % of fraud in Pakistani cases, but I was told that some legit couples go year after year to interviews to get adjudicated and get denials even when they have kids. I just wish you good luck!!
QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 30 2008, 09:33 AM) *
QUOTE(russian_armenian @ Jun 29 2008, 08:46 PM) *
About the racism: I am a racist toward any FANATIC –muslim, christian, jewish, etc. (my opinion- any fanatic is a potential terrorist; and I hate terrorism and for me terrorism is not equal to Islam in any way( as for many, by the way)). Your wife’s country of origin have not made me annoyed but your post did. I have my respect to any Pakistani or Moroccan or Egyptian with good heart and good morals. I have met many people from Mid East-I was fortunate, very nice people and some are my friends (and muslim women I met are not timid submissive types-they are smart women who rule in their families).
Your post made me angry because you have denied any rights to OP (without even any knowledge abut the situation).
You have called me a racist but it is your post that clearly discriminates immigrants who got PR through marriage. In my Western mind, husband and wife have equal rights. But you give more rights to USC; in power games (like “angry spouse letters”) you wish that USC have this privilege to deport an ex.
I did/don’t know the whole OP’s family situation too but would assume that in most cases people marry USC not for GC (there is marriage fraud but I don’t believe that it is a rule in every divorce after GC).
You have never mentioned GC fraud-you said that everybody should be deported if marriage fails only because GC was given through marriage. It does sound like a slave master: “ I gave GC, I have a right to revoke it if you/me decide to divorce”. I just felt sorry for your wife and imagined what hell of a life I would create for my husband if he ever said/implied this to me (after everything I did for our family). My husband petitioned for my GC BUT if he would ever start to behave that I am in forever debt to him because I got my PR due to him-it will be beginning of our divorce process. EVERY USC PETITION CIS FOR A SPOUSE GC BECAUSE THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR USC TOO (it is not done under duress-USC proposes/completes the immigration process because benefits beat the hassle (unless, of course, USC is a masochist and likes to inflict pain/problems on himself). Good that legislation is more fare and democratic than you (Sheraz, it is not personal. You might be nice smart kind person. But might be raised to believe where men have more rights to women or some social group is superior to other etc. We don’t usually think about this issues and just follow the mainstream/culture/traditional thinking (our parents played a role here). )

QUOTE(sheraz @ Jun 28 2008, 11:12 PM) *
I think the people who are criticizing me here are more close minded. Just because my wife's origin is from Pakistan, and NOT Australia Russia or any of the western countries, I am being called a slave master.

This is total bigotary and racism if you all really want to know. It makes me really vomit and realize how many racist people are there on this forum.

So its ok for someone from Australia or whereever to criticize me and call me a slave master or a dog. Try and be a civilized. This is a forum for visa related issues. If you have too much time to post personal hate attacks and attacke people's country of origin, then you should probably move to another forum. The discussion was on removal of conditions and ok some people did bring up a good point that the alien uproots their life. But slave master and all the crap that you all have said. Dispicable.



What I dont like is the whole immigration system screwed up because of marriage frauds. There are terrorist who hailed from the middle east and gave my whole religion and community a bad eye. In the same way, there are some immigrants who took social security benefits and entire communities are given a bad eye. There are hundreds to success stories of children of immigrants( the google guys) who have made it big but the whole country thinks that immigrants only come to a US to make money and contribute nothing. Now people are even complaining about anchor babies and their parents. I myself am a naturalized citizen and can easily say that there are differences that remain between naturalized, born by birth and native born.

Your point is well taken that the USC should not say that since I brought you to US, you should be my slave. Everyone has equal rights and USC could have simply married the person next door. My entire point in my original post was simply that the anyone in the situation of the OP has to evaluate the situation carefully. There have been hundreds to incidences from paksitan where guys have married caucasion women and as soon as they get their green card, they end the marriage. Now it has all visa category system in Pakistan to a complete crawl. Legitimate couples are stuck because USCIS cannot distinguish fraudulent marriages from legitimate ones. If all marriages were legit, USCIS would not have required temp GC holders to remove condiitions.

It is very difficult to distinguish between a marriage which was entered in good faith and ended and between one which was fraudulent and faked from the begining. What type of evidence do you think will allow USCIS to distinguish between the two

fd_jaymz
I don't think there's anything wrong with a divorce where the non-American spouse wants to stay in the U.S. afterwards -As long as the marriage WAS entered into with good faith and the divorce happened for legitimate reasons. When you think about it, in most cases the non-American leaves everything behind to move to this country. If he/she establishes a life here, has a job, friends, assets, kids, etc, then this is his/her new home. If they want to stay, they should have every right to, and the USCIS says that too. I think it's just harder to prove that the marriage was real in divorce situations than the ones who have stayed together, sadly. I'm sorry for your situation, hope it works out for you.
Capsule
I'm sorry this is the type of individual which you ended up with.

I know exactly the type you are talking about. They either have a lot of money or pretend like they have a lot of money, and they are almost ALWAYS as the Armenian saying goes, "aprumen mor peshi tak," which sounds a little weird if I translate that word for word, but it basically means living on momma's income.

They are overly infatuated with themselves and think of themselves as more "manly" if they sleep around with prostitutes, have a girlfriend and a mistress on the side. Furthermore, they will refuse to drive any vehicle that is not a Cadillac, Lincoln, BMW or Mercedes. Their role models are idiots like "50 Cent" and the like. They listen to their music and think that's what being "cool" means.

They are selfish and highly self-conscious, they think that their peers will not perceive them as "masculine" unless they display strong qualities of the typical male chauvinist who deserve no love of any female counterpart. They like to brag about how much money they have and how they "roll."

Good luck.
EdgarVirginia
By reading these posts it happened to encourage me to ask this, since I could see that things like that happened to others too. I'm completly lost, devastaded and affraid of what might happen to me. I've been granted with my CR1 visa last month and right after that my husband and I got separated and I really don't know what is going to happen from now on or about our future, I really don't know, but I'm affraid of going to US, cause right now we're no longer together. We got married in October, 13th 2006. Anyway I still want to go to US, even if I'm not going to live with him, I don't even know if this is a definate situation between us. Anyway, I'm afraid that he goes to immigration and tell them that we're not together anymore and at POE I face problems with the IO.
Since I've married I've stoped working because we both agreed I should spend the time I had left here with my family before I go to live with him, we didn't think it would take that long to get my visa, we're far from knowing that it would take that long and it seems time and distance ruined our relationship. Now, after almost 2 years married to him just counting down the days to be with him, waiting to live a life with him, our dream was about to come true, I feel moral, emotional and prophessional harmed by his decision of breaking us apart. He had this same atitude last year (2007) in August and we staied 5 months apart and got together again in January (2008) and now he did the same a few days after I got my visa in July.
I have all the evidences that we had a bonafide marriage, over 3000 emails, lots of photos with friends and family together, wedding cards, letters from him, joint bank accounts here in Brazil, a power of attourney from him to me to fully manage bank accounts in Brazil.
I don't want to start my life here since I've been waiting for so long to begin a new life in US with him and now since itwas his decision not to stay with me anymore and at least I want and feel that I have the right to choose how and where I should live. We're not divorced and I don't know if we will..I don't want to give details in here because it's painful to me doing so, it's not being easy to deal with this situation right now, but I don't his decisions after 2 years of my life dedicated on us to determine now that I don't have options and don't have the right to choose what I want to do with my life now.
I'd be glad to read any advices, good or bad...just don't want anyone judging me because I think and feel that I have the right to choose where I want to live now. Just a reminding that things like this happens to couples that were in love from the begining...unfortunately it happened to me and my husband!
PS: He's an american citizen now, but he's also a brazilian citizen borned in the same city as me and we first met 17 years ago when we were teenagers and dated for 2 years, he left to US in 1991 and we met each other again in 2006 and got married here in Brazil 4 months later. And I have evidences of all this.

God bless you! helpsmilie.gif




diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(EdgarVirginia @ Aug 7 2008, 11:23 PM) *
By reading these posts it happened to encourage me to ask this, since I could see that things like that happened to others too. I'm completly lost, devastaded and affraid of what might happen to me. I've been granted with my CR1 visa last month and right after that my husband and I got separated and I really don't know what is going to happen from now on or about our future, I really don't know, but I'm affraid of going to US, cause right now we're no longer together. We got married in October, 13th 2006. Anyway I still want to go to US, even if I'm not going to live with him, I don't even know if this is a definate situation between us. Anyway, I'm afraid that he goes to immigration and tell them that we're not together anymore and at POE I face problems with the IO.
Since I've married I've stoped working because we both agreed I should spend the time I had left here with my family before I go to live with him, we didn't think it would take that long to get my visa, we're far from knowing that it would take that long and it seems time and distance ruined our relationship. Now, after almost 2 years married to him just counting down the days to be with him, waiting to live a life with him, our dream was about to come true, I feel moral, emotional and prophessional harmed by his decision of breaking us apart. He had this same atitude last year (2007) in August and we staied 5 months apart and got together again in January (2008) and now he did the same a few days after I got my visa in July.
I have all the evidences that we had a bonafide marriage, over 3000 emails, lots of photos with friends and family together, wedding cards, letters from him, joint bank accounts here in Brazil, a power of attourney from him to me to fully manage bank accounts in Brazil.
I don't want to start my life here since I've been waiting for so long to begin a new life in US with him and now since itwas his decision not to stay with me anymore and at least I want and feel that I have the right to choose how and where I should live. We're not divorced and I don't know if we will..I don't want to give details in here because it's painful to me doing so, it's not being easy to deal with this situation right now, but I don't his decisions after 2 years of my life dedicated on us to determine now that I don't have options and don't have the right to choose what I want to do with my life now.
I'd be glad to read any advices, good or bad...just don't want anyone judging me because I think and feel that I have the right to choose where I want to live now. Just a reminding that things like this happens to couples that were in love from the begining...unfortunately it happened to me and my husband!
PS: He's an american citizen now, but he's also a brazilian citizen borned in the same city as me and we first met 17 years ago when we were teenagers and dated for 2 years, he left to US in 1991 and we met each other again in 2006 and got married here in Brazil 4 months later. And I have evidences of all this.

God bless you! helpsmilie.gif

Whatever you decide to do with the CR-1 visa, you would be required to remove any conditions on your permanent residence two years hence if you choose to travel to the USA on it. How could you expect to do that, if the marriage is in a terminal state before you even arrived in the USA?
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