QUOTE(mike1972e @ Jun 8 2006, 09:01 PM)

Thanks everyone for all the updates. When I was reading these at work, I was so confused, but now I can read all the research you all have done. Well we can all only guess. This is my opinion, the approved new form I would assume is going to be used for the 180 days, to rush us back out to where we belong, during this time I am guessing that they must also get and approval for the new procedures that will be used after the they clean house. So the new form is approved for us that have been royaly screwed and the new petition that will be used for the next couple years is under review. Now we just nee to find out when this will happen. I think we should be calling our service centers tomorrow for any news. Now that it has been approved they must have a system in order, or it would not have been approved, because part of the review had to do with the burden on us and how they were going to collect the information.
GOOD Thoughts everyone, Good Thoughts!!!!
so is it your guess that the emergency was already approved?
YnaYeBa0808
Jun 8 2006, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(iceyspots @ Jun 8 2006, 04:32 PM)

sigh... I just wish it would all end!!

Ditto... im having a two month long headache...

i hope we hear something from them really soon, like tomorrow if indeed they have figured out what to do with our petitions...
mike1972e
Jun 8 2006, 07:20 PM
QUOTE(YnaYeBa0808 @ Jun 8 2006, 08:03 PM)

QUOTE(iceyspots @ Jun 8 2006, 04:32 PM)

sigh... I just wish it would all end!!

Ditto... im having a two month long headache...

i hope we hear something from them really soon, like tomorrow if indeed they have figured out what to do with our petitions...
I am sure that they had to have a plan in place before getting this approved, so they could also get that approved simultaneously. From the link that was posted it does seem it was approved, and with the deadline tomorrow, I believe that only supports it as well. Also I recall someone posting something about they were in meetings all week this week, so I believe that is all supporting evidence that they should have everything in place and a plan ready. Now they just need to send out roughly 2,000 or 3,000 RFE's. 1,100 returned petitions and the ones received since. As for the man hours Yodrak was talking about, I believe this is the burden on us. The dollar amount may have something to do with mail costs they must pay for.
Like I said we need to contact the service centers tomorrow. Have questions prepared, and make sure you greet them friendly, because this usually helps open them up

I forgot to add, we should start a new post now, because this thread is way to long, and we should now be going on know, or close to know information.
What do ya say Gary?????
Luis&Laura
Jun 8 2006, 07:21 PM
Gary is enjoying his fiancee.
iceyspots
Jun 8 2006, 07:22 PM
I agree the post is getting outta hand lol
Luis&Laura
Jun 8 2006, 07:25 PM
I still think we need to wait and when we get concrete news about what the new procedure is we make a thread for it.
GaryC
Jun 8 2006, 07:28 PM
This thread has certainly turned into a very popular one. I have been spending a very few moments online just to see what is new. Looks like something is gonna break soon. As far as a new thread goes that is up to the Captain. He has been directing people here to talk about AMBRA. If he thinks it's a good idea then it seems good to me. This thread can stay open for people to talk about it and a new one just for KNOWN facts is fine by me. You out there Captain? What you think?
P.S. I am having a WONDERFUL time here. This is something I have needed for a long time now!!!!
tigretigre
Jun 8 2006, 07:34 PM
Yay GaryC in the Phillippines!
YnaYeBa0808
Jun 8 2006, 07:38 PM
Gary bring me some dried mangoes and some TUYO! hahaha ask luz what it is if you havent tried it, its really good

an acquired taste perhaps... but i love it...
Im sure you guys are having so much fun there. i hope we all get good news really soon... it helps to forget all this chaos going on overhere when you are with your loved one...
siggggh... regards to LUZ
I think a new thread wouldn´t hurt, but right now we have nothing else to do except for collect information and share our guesses...
So it would be pretty much the same thing, only in a thread not as long as this one..
I agree with Luis&Laura that once we have information about what to do it would be good to have a new thread to discuss the procedures.
Anything is good to me.. as long as you guys keep sharing your comments. It´s been really helpful and comforting for me.
Yodrak
Jun 8 2006, 09:36 PM
Mew,
Here are my thoughts:
- The I-129f referenced on the list of approved collections is the existing one. Note the burden and cost numbers, and the expiration date.
- The new, draft I-1297 is a revision to a currently approved collection (the existing I-129f), the revision being the collection of IMBRA information.
- The new, draft I-1297 is currently on the list of collections under review, received 7 June. Wil it get review and approval in only 1 or 2 days? I've no idea where it would fall in OMB's list of priorities.
Yodrak
QUOTE(Mew @ Jun 8 2006, 08:15 PM)

If you click on the "Return to the agency list" at the bottom of this page (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/library/OMBINV.DHS.HUD.html#DHS), you'll get here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/library/OMBI...IST_OF_AGENCIES, and the title is "OFFICE OF INFORMATION AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS - INVENTORY OF APPROVED INFORMATION COLLECTIONS".
So I'm guessing it was approved. What do we have so far?
1. A drafted version of a new I-129F, which complies with both the LIFE Act and IMBRA, with a 60-day notice and a 30-day one, both showing the same OMB;
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/for...-129F-DRAFT.pdf2. A Paperwork Reduction Act submission regarding a new I-129F that says "Revision of a currently approved collection" and requests an emercency review with approval requested by tomorrow (with the same OMB)
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/for...i-129f_83-i.pdf3. A list of approved information collection that says:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/library/OMBI...HS.HUD.html#DHSQUOTE
OMB NO: 1615-0001 EXPIRATION DATE: 06/30/2006
RESPS:200,000 HOURS:100,000 COSTS(000):$1,900
Petition for Alien Fiance(e) FORMS: I-129F
Anyway, guys... If this form is actually approved by tomorrow, we will be getting news soon. Let's just try and relax... (to start feeling all anxious again
if it isn't approved and we don't hear anything soon). So... I'm guessing a good way to find out whether the drafted form actually was approved is by checking USCIS application procedure site (http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/fianceapp.htm). Although I doubt that they'll actually make the new form available
tomorrow in case it's approved (and then it should be there on Monday, maybe?).
Luis&Laura
Jun 8 2006, 10:01 PM
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jun 8 2006, 10:36 PM)

- The new, draft I-1297 is currently on the list of collections under review, received 7 June. Wil it get review and approval in only 1 or 2 days? I've no idea where it would fall in OMB's list of priorities.
Yodrak
I hope they see it as a priority!
BlueSurf
Jun 8 2006, 10:23 PM
Someone wrote that because of "Bi-specialization", the I129f apps were going to be processed by California and Vermont...this is the restructuring that prompted the massive transfer of cases from Nebraska to California. But, I did not have a sense that any (or many) applications were transfered to Vermont for processing. Did I miss some member's reports? I recall maybe one being transfered to Texas (?), but all else went to California. How fair a distribution is that?!!
We have heard of the 1000 some returns of apps from Consulates to Vermont. I wonder how many actual pending applications were transfered from Nebraska to California...does anyone have a sense of the backlog at this point?
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jun 8 2006, 11:36 PM)

Mew,
Here are my thoughts:
- The I-129f referenced on the list of approved collections is the existing one. Note the burden and cost numbers, and the expiration date.
- The new, draft I-1297 is a revision to a currently approved collection (the existing I-129f), the revision being the collection of IMBRA information.
- The new, draft I-1297 is currently on the list of collections under review, received 7 June. Wil it get review and approval in only 1 or 2 days? I've no idea where it would fall in OMB's list of priorities.
Yodrak
Unfortunately it makes sense to me..
The approved petition on the OMB website expires on 06/30. Not only the draft but the actual I129F expires on that date. So it could easily be any of them...
There´s one thing that I´m thinking about, though. The statement from 05/26 says that USCIS had already submited and requested the approval.
So why would they only send the request on the 7th of June?
I don´t know, but the approved form can be the draft..
As for "Wil it get review and approval in only 1 or 2 days? I've no idea where it would fall in OMB's list of priorities", I think you´re right.
No one here seems to have an idea of how OMB works, especially under an emergency request.
Maybe it can be done. Otherwise why would the USCIS and DHS request so?
Luis&Laura
Jun 8 2006, 10:40 PM
I think that what expires June 30th is the draft.
jpine
Jun 8 2006, 10:48 PM
maybe a crazy idea just trying to be super optomistic here but its possible once we get these forms the people at whatever service center are only human and dont want to have a pile on there desk they may just be firing out approvals left and right just to get them off there desk. super optomistic i know but it is possible
Aquelunya
Jun 8 2006, 10:48 PM
QUOTE(BlueSurf @ Jun 8 2006, 11:23 PM)

Someone wrote that because of "Bi-specialization", the I129f apps were going to be processed by California and Vermont...this is the restructuring that prompted the massive transfer of cases from Nebraska to California. But, I did not have a sense that any (or many) applications were transfered to Vermont for processing. Did I miss some member's reports? I recall maybe one being transfered to Texas (?), but all else went to California. How fair a distribution is that?!!
We have heard of the 1000 some returns of apps from Consulates to Vermont. I wonder how many actual pending applications were transfered from Nebraska to California...does anyone have a sense of the backlog at this point?
My guess would be because Vermont has their hands full right now with the 1000 odd petitions sitting at their facility waiting for some action. They are *somewhat* backed up. this of many reasons maybe is why they haven't transferred any additional petitions to them yet. Just a guess
mike1972e
Jun 9 2006, 06:24 AM
Ok, I think I may have figured this out. The draft on their website is the new form. If you actually open the draft, it contains the new questions, but the man hours are now back to 100,000. So this is how I see it. The requested the emergency approval. They must have gotten the approval, but since the I-129F expires 6-30-06, they now need to extend it's usage. So Either one of two things. One, they were denied and were told just to add it to the extension, or two they got approved and now need the extension, but means they can begin processing.
I think it is the second, which means they have an approval and why would they go for the emergency if they weren't going to start using it immmediately. Why wouldn't they wait for the extension. But, how can they extend something that doesn't have the correct questions????
I believe we will be getting great news either today or Monday.
QUOTE(mike1972e @ Jun 9 2006, 08:24 AM)

Ok, I think I may have figured this out. The draft on their website is the new form. If you actually open the draft, it contains the new questions, but the man hours are now back to 100,000. So this is how I see it. The requested the emergency approval. They must have gotten the approval, but since the I-129F expires 6-30-06, they now need to extend it's usage. So Either one of two things. One, they were denied and were told just to add it to the extension, or two they got approved and now need the extension, but means they can begin processing.
I think it is the second, which means they have an approval and why would they go for the emergency if they weren't going to start using it immmediately. Why wouldn't they wait for the extension. But, how can they extend something that doesn't have the correct questions????
I believe we will be getting great news either today or Monday.

I wonder why they sent a draft to be approved with an expiration date of 06-30...
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 06:55 AM
QUOTE(rlt @ Jun 9 2006, 07:49 AM)

I wonder why they sent a draft to be approved with an expiration date of 06-30...
Because they have 30 days to approve it.
mike1972e
Jun 9 2006, 07:03 AM
QUOTE(rlt @ Jun 9 2006, 07:49 AM)

QUOTE(mike1972e @ Jun 9 2006, 08:24 AM)

Ok, I think I may have figured this out. The draft on their website is the new form. If you actually open the draft, it contains the new questions, but the man hours are now back to 100,000. So this is how I see it. The requested the emergency approval. They must have gotten the approval, but since the I-129F expires 6-30-06, they now need to extend it's usage. So Either one of two things. One, they were denied and were told just to add it to the extension, or two they got approved and now need the extension, but means they can begin processing.
I think it is the second, which means they have an approval and why would they go for the emergency if they weren't going to start using it immmediately. Why wouldn't they wait for the extension. But, how can they extend something that doesn't have the correct questions????
I believe we will be getting great news either today or Monday.

I wonder why they sent a draft to be approved with an expiration date of 06-30...
The I-129F for review and approval on the OMB site is the new I-129F. They are applying for an extension of this form since it expires on 6-30-06. They could not get an extension on a form that adds questions to it, because the questions need approved first. So they had to get a revised I-129F approved before they could extend it with the new questions. So the new form is Approved, and now they need to apply for it's extension.
AndyMisiu
Jun 9 2006, 07:08 AM
Well, I will be on the edge of my seat today!! I hope we will get some information!! cause this mutha-F*#@er is tryin to get married!!!!!!!
Dont' forget to pray people!!!!
Johnta
Jun 9 2006, 08:13 AM
>
QUOTE(AndyMisiu @ Jun 9 2006, 08:08 AM)

>Well, I will be on the edge of my seat today!! I hope we will get some information!! cause this mutha-F*#@er >is tryin to get married!!!!!!!
You an me BOTH mo fo!
>Dont' forget to pray people!!!!
>
Will do!
JB in SC
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 08:51 AM
I´m on the edge of my seat as well, but thinking they´ll start doing something on Monday, not today.
Razor
Jun 9 2006, 09:21 AM
Spoke to Vermont today I used Igor’s method it worked! They told me that my case is under security check and that they are still processing march 6th applications. He told me to call back in 30 days and just keep on checking online
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 09:27 AM
Meaning they´re still being ignorant about IMBRA.
Cigarovich
Jun 9 2006, 10:12 AM
[quote name='Aquelunya' date='Jun 7 2006, 04:22 PM' post='236919']
[quote name='lisaf' date='Jun 7 2006, 08:19 AM' post='236918']
I think you looked at the OMB control number, no?
[/quote]
there was a number at the bottom . Name was Claire somebody...
[/quote]
Laura Dawkins and her number is 202-272-8350
[/quote]
Is someone gonna try and call her or what? I'd do it myself but I'm overseas!
Vagina Journey
Jun 9 2006, 10:17 AM
QUOTE(Razor @ Jun 9 2006, 08:21 AM)

Spoke to Vermont today I used Igor’s method it worked! They told me that my case is under security check and that they are still processing march 6th applications. He told me to call back in 30 days and just keep on checking online

I just called to and got the same run around Razor!!
I hope it happens for us SOON!! I just felt tlike telling her to stick her 30 days up her

but whats the point i guess we waited this long whats another 30 days
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 10:20 AM
I really don´t think they´ll leave us without anything for another 30 days, 60 days with them giving us nothing at all would be too much.
QUOTE(Luis&Laura @ Jun 9 2006, 12:20 PM)

I really don´t think they´ll leave us without anything for another 30 days, 60 days with them giving us nothing at all would be too much.
I don´t think they will tell us anything before they can actually use the new form.
I doubt they will release a statement saying they are also waiting.
In my opinion, once they have something to give us, we´ll be notified. Until then, we are gonna be waitinh as they are.
So I hope it doesn´t take that long for the extension to be approved.
friend
Jun 9 2006, 10:27 AM
HELLO ALL PETITIONERS
while i was reading somewhere here in our VJ i did find something realy very important and i thanks so much that friend who did help us with that info ..ok here it is...look at this site u will see by ur own eyes...have goos time
http://candleforlove.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=18504hope that gonna help someone
Lewis
Jun 9 2006, 10:34 AM
QUOTE(Razor @ Jun 9 2006, 10:21 AM)

Spoke to Vermont today I used Igor’s method it worked! They told me that my case is under security check and that they are still processing march 6th applications. He told me to call back in 30 days and just keep on checking online

QUOTE(Lewis @ Jun 9 2006, 11:28 AM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Jun 9 2006, 10:21 AM)

Spoke to Vermont today I used Igor’s method it worked! They told me that my case is under security check and that they are still processing march 6th applications. He told me to call back in 30 days and just keep on checking online

Sorry about that lost post, I was trying to let you know that I also used the same method and it worked. I also received the same message from the person on the phone, "keep checking back, 2-3 weeks"
Yodrak
Jun 9 2006, 10:58 AM
Laura,
Yes, that's what it says on the draft.
The expiration date for the existing I-129f is also 30 June 2006. (I wonder if someone forgot to update the expiration date when the draft was created?)
Yodrak
QUOTE(Luis&Laura @ Jun 9 2006, 01:10 AM)

I think that what expires June 30th is the draft.
mike,
The draft I-129f form on the USCIS web site says the estimated time to complete the form is 1.5 hours (=300,000 hours for the estimated 200,000 submissions per year).
Are you reading from the draft form or from the supporting statement? Be careful that you find the correct supporting statement, the supporting statement for the draft I-129f, revised for IMBRA, does say 300,000 hours. It's the supporting statement for the last revision, updated for LIFE, that says 100,000 hours.
Yodrak
QUOTE(mike1972e @ Jun 9 2006, 08:54 AM)

Ok, I think I may have figured this out. The draft on their website is the new form. If you actually open the draft, it contains the new questions, but the man hours are now back to 100,000. .....
ccmkoho
Jun 9 2006, 11:22 AM
QUOTE(Yodrak @ Jun 9 2006, 11:58 AM)

Laura,
Yes, that's what it says on the draft.
The expiration date for the existing I-129f is also 30 June 2006. (I wonder if someone forgot to update the expiration date when the draft was created?)
Yodrak
QUOTE(Luis&Laura @ Jun 9 2006, 01:10 AM)

I think that what expires June 30th is the draft.
mike,
The draft I-129f form on the USCIS web site says the estimated time to complete the form is 1.5 hours (=300,000 hours for the estimated 200,000 submissions per year).
Are you reading from the draft form or from the supporting statement? Be careful that you find the correct supporting statement, the supporting statement for the draft I-129f, revised for IMBRA, does say 300,000 hours. It's the supporting statement for the last revision, updated for LIFE, that says 100,000 hours.
Yodrak
QUOTE(mike1972e @ Jun 9 2006, 08:54 AM)

Ok, I think I may have figured this out. The draft on their website is the new form. If you actually open the draft, it contains the new questions, but the man hours are now back to 100,000. .....
Do you mean 1.5 man hours to review the form or for petitioner to complete?
There are not 200,000 K1 submissions per year. By the statistics on USCIS web page about 30,000 fiance visas are granted per year. Unless 170,000 get denied. Maybe I am missing something here.
Yodrak
Jun 9 2006, 11:53 AM
ccmkoho,
Since mew helped me to see the light, I mean the time for petitioner to complete.
The 200,000 number is the estimate provided by the USCIS in it's supporting statement to the OMB for the I-1129f IMBRA revisions. Note that the same number was used by the USCIS when it submitted the previous revision to implement the LIFE Act. (see what you're missing?)
Yodrak
QUOTE(ccmkoho @ Jun 9 2006, 01:52 PM)

Do you mean 1.5 man hours to review the form or for petitioner to complete?
There are not 200,000 K1 submissions per year. By the statistics on USCIS web page about 30,000 fiance visas are granted per year. Unless 170,000 get denied. Maybe I am missing something here.
A Man of Action
Jun 9 2006, 12:56 PM
IMBRA is Done.
I was sponsored by hilary clinton and signed by US President Bush.
See how it affects US Citizens:
See:
www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/
(go to bottom and click on "Read More")
See:
http://www.latineuro.com/garybalasview.htmHere is a petition to sign:
http://www.petitiononline.com/imbra05/petition.html
meauxna
Jun 9 2006, 02:33 PM
QUOTE(A Man of Action @ Jun 9 2006, 10:56 AM)

IMBRA is Done.
I was sponsored by hilary clinton and signed by US President Bush.
See how it affects US Citizens:
See:
www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/
(go to bottom and click on "Read More")
See:
http://www.latineuro.com/garybalasview.htmHere is a petition to sign:
http://www.petitiononline.com/imbra05/petition.htmlYes, I was very surprised to see the message board(s) that Gary Bala is associated with.
If you're interested in nuking IMBRA as a law, that's the place to be.
Another week has passed and still knoq contact from USCIS.
That´s what´s sad.
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 02:48 PM
Yeah, I know.
Maria&Robert
Jun 9 2006, 04:17 PM
The fact that the 6/30/06 expiration date appears on both the old 129F and the new 129F draft is unsettling.
Also, the between the two is PART C. On the new form PART C has been extended to include the criminal background information.
mike1972e
Jun 9 2006, 05:18 PM
After reading everyone's replies, I am still thinking that the new form was approved, and now they are getting an extension on it. It makes total sense. Tell me, how can you get an extension of an existing form with new information? YOU CAN'T. You must first get an approval for the revisions to the form. Ok, now let's think about it. If this new law had never been introduced, they would be still processing with the old form while they are trying to get an extension on it. Which means now that they have the new form, they can use it while they are going for the extension. I called today to Vermont and she said they were waiting for instruction on how they were going to collect the information. I don't know how long before we get any word from them, because first they will have to make sure they have a very good system in place, also they must inform how many petitioners? They are not going to sit on this, because it is only making a wharehouse of backlog. I am hoping Monday is the day.
QUOTE(mike1972e @ Jun 9 2006, 07:18 PM)

After reading everyone's replies, I am still thinking that the new form was approved, and now they are getting an extension on it. It makes total sense. Tell me, how can you get an extension of an existing form with new information? YOU CAN'T. You must first get an approval for the revisions to the form. Ok, now let's think about it. If this new law had never been introduced, they would be still processing with the old form while they are trying to get an extension on it. Which means now that they have the new form, they can use it while they are going for the extension. I called today to Vermont and she said they were waiting for instruction on how they were going to collect the information. I don't know how long before we get any word from them, because first they will have to make sure they have a very good system in place, also they must inform how many petitioners? They are not going to sit on this, because it is only making a wharehouse of backlog. I am hoping Monday is the day.
Also, what calms me down a little bit about the delay is that the background check is on the american citizen.
One of the million times I called USCIS, the officer said "you know how crazy America is right now because of security, especially after 09/11".
And I said, yeah, I know, but the people you´re gonna check is already there.... and he was like "Well, yeah, sounds about right".
Also, the Government signed the law and gave USCIS 60 days to start collecting informations on the petitioners.
So it makes things possible.. shouldn´t go for another 3 months or so.
I really don´t know which form was approved, but if all we need now is an extention, it shouldn´t take that long.
Monday may be the day!
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 06:11 PM
Monday better be the day or I might loose it.
elizaxyz
Jun 9 2006, 06:16 PM
I called USCIS today. No info on our case, but as soon as I launched into my now-standard explanation ("Our petition was approved and then recalled due to a change in law, etc.") the woman on the phone interrupted me by saying, "Yes, that's because of IMBRA." She didn't have anything to say as to new procedures, but the fact that someone seemed to have a general idea as to what was going on was a nice change.
GaryC
Jun 9 2006, 10:34 PM
I have been doing some thinking on all this and I have some thoughts.
First, I agree that it will be fairly soon when we sill start seeing some action. The USCIS can't afford to wait much longer or they will have a hole so deep they will never get out of it.
Second, Almost all petitions with a NOA1 date before March 6 are done now and have been sent to the respective embassies. That means that when they get back to work it should move quickly (hope).
Third, While this delay has been going on all the embassies have had a chance to catch up. Meaning that when we get our NOA2's we should have a shorter wait to get interviews.
Personally I think the delays we are getting right now will be offset by speedier interviews when this thing gets sorted out. The ones that had petitions returned should get first shot at interviews when they are sent back to the embassy.
Take heart people, things will work out.
Luis&Laura
Jun 9 2006, 11:15 PM
I hope you´re right Gary!
GaryC
Jun 10 2006, 03:25 AM
It's a hope and a wish that things go quickly. I am ready to start my life with Luz and every day that goes by is one less with my baby!
Cigarovich
Jun 10 2006, 04:11 AM
Did anyone else notice the GaryC and Luz appear to be disrobed, smiling, and we can't see their hands? Which begs the question - what are they doing and who took the picture??
GaryC
Jun 10 2006, 04:14 AM
QUOTE(Cigarovich @ Jun 10 2006, 04:11 AM)

Did anyone else notice the GaryC and Luz appear to be disrobed, smiling, and we can't see their hands? Which begs the question - what are they doing and who took the picture??

Answer, Wouldn't you like to know and wouldn't you like to know!!
Cigarovich
Jun 10 2006, 05:10 AM
I'll have to guess Gary is taking advantage of his Goldmember-ship while Luz is "collecting some information." All very above board - glad to see to you guys still on the job here.
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