QUOTE(just_Jackie @ Aug 22 2008, 04:20 PM) 
You got a shirt ? 
Oh man, I don't have a picture of my FUNdamentalist tshirt in photobucket. But yes, I do have a shirt
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Oh man, I don't have a picture of my FUNdamentalist tshirt in photobucket. But yes, I do have a shirt
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 22 2008, 03:50 PM)
Although I'm sure it's been mentioned before, Sunnipath offers courses at a reduced price for converts. If you've converted in the last 3 years, you're elligible for a 75% discount on certain courses.
Understanding Islam - a 75% discount also available for non muslims
Mercy, Forgiveness and Salvation - special 3 week course during ramadan. I'm going to see if I have time to take it, and if I do and anyone else does, we can be study buddies
Understanding Islam - a 75% discount also available for non muslims
Mercy, Forgiveness and Salvation - special 3 week course during ramadan. I'm going to see if I have time to take it, and if I do and anyone else does, we can be study buddies
I was looking at these 2 classes - however, it never seems to show the discount they say they'll give. My discount is showing a whopping $2 off - yep... you read that right TWO DOLLARS. Oh well, maybe I'll only take one, if that.
QUOTE(ME~n~HIM @ Aug 22 2008, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 22 2008, 03:50 PM)
Although I'm sure it's been mentioned before, Sunnipath offers courses at a reduced price for converts. If you've converted in the last 3 years, you're elligible for a 75% discount on certain courses.
Understanding Islam - a 75% discount also available for non muslims
Mercy, Forgiveness and Salvation - special 3 week course during ramadan. I'm going to see if I have time to take it, and if I do and anyone else does, we can be study buddies
Understanding Islam - a 75% discount also available for non muslims
Mercy, Forgiveness and Salvation - special 3 week course during ramadan. I'm going to see if I have time to take it, and if I do and anyone else does, we can be study buddies
I was looking at these 2 classes - however, it never seems to show the discount they say they'll give. My discount is showing a whopping $2 off - yep... you read that right TWO DOLLARS. Oh well, maybe I'll only take one, if that.
Hmm, that must be a mistake for the first one. Give them a shout via email and see if they can rectify that.
The second one doesn't have a new muslim discount I don't think. I'm currently taking Ramadan and You with Ust. Zaynab Ansari who's teaching the Mercy course. She's awesome, mashaAllah.
I know Hemza Yusuf also offers courses from his Islamic school out of California via the web.... might be a good time for me to continue my always continuing education.
Hello Rahma Iam Rajaa thanks for the links..totally get into these things
Hello Rahma Iam Rajaa thanks for the links..totally get into these things
QUOTE(Rajaa_Reda @ Aug 22 2008, 04:33 PM)
I know Hemza Yusuf also offers courses from his Islamic school out of California via the web.... might be a good time for me to continue my always continuing education.
Sh. Hamza
Imam Zaid Ustadh Yahya Excellent courses. Excellent teachers. 
Nothing beats learning from them in person (we had the pleasure of Imam Zaid visiting at the end of May and he may be back in January inshaAllah inshaAllah inshaAllah), but their distance learning is quite good.QUOTE
Hello Rahma Iam Rajaa thanks for the links..totally get into these things
assalamu alaikum, nice to meet you.
rajaa, no offence, but i am not getting that quote in yr signature.
Our Lord Abraham is the beloved of God
Our Lord Moses is the mouthpiece of God
Our lord Issa (Jesus) is the spirit of God
but our Lord Muhammad is the Prophet of God
Lords? Issa is the spirit of God? (astaghirfullah)
where did you find that?
Our Lord Abraham is the beloved of God
Our Lord Moses is the mouthpiece of God
Our lord Issa (Jesus) is the spirit of God
but our Lord Muhammad is the Prophet of God
Lords? Issa is the spirit of God? (astaghirfullah)
where did you find that?
Lord - Sayyidina - is a title frequently given to Prophets in sunni islam.
If I had to guess about the spirit aspect, I think it would be something from the shia. I haven't come across this in sunni literature (which doesn't mean it isn't necessarily out there, just that I've never read anything about it), but "Ruhollah" spirit of God, is a name in the shia tradition.
If I had to guess about the spirit aspect, I think it would be something from the shia. I haven't come across this in sunni literature (which doesn't mean it isn't necessarily out there, just that I've never read anything about it), but "Ruhollah" spirit of God, is a name in the shia tradition.
no offense taken, just that each is a part of and important part of Islam. I got it as a traditional muslim saying.... "the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was not a founder of a new religion but a reformer of the old monotheist tradition that reaches back through Jesus, Moses, Abraham to our common first father, Adam"
The Heirs of the prophet Muhammad... by Barnaby Rogrson
The Heirs of the prophet Muhammad... by Barnaby Rogrson
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 22 2008, 02:35 PM)
QUOTE(Rajaa_Reda @ Aug 22 2008, 04:33 PM)
I know Hemza Yusuf also offers courses from his Islamic school out of California via the web.... might be a good time for me to continue my always continuing education.
Sh. Hamza
Imam Zaid Ustadh Yahya Excellent courses. Excellent teachers. Nothing beats learning from them in person (we had the pleasure of Imam Zaid visiting at the end of May and he may be back in January inshaAllah inshaAllah inshaAllah), but their distance learning is quite good.QUOTE
Hello Rahma Iam Rajaa thanks for the links..totally get into these things
assalamu alaikum, nice to meet you.
Maa wailkumsalam... i was going to write Shiek Hamza but wasnt sure he was at that status yet.
what are the differences between an Imaam and Shiek btw?
Found a sunni source
http://attalib.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-is...t-of-allah.html
http://attalib.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-is...t-of-allah.html
QUOTE
Allah ta'ala does refer to 'Isa (a.s.) as His spirit, or a spirit from Him (roohun minhu). Allah ta'ala says this in surah al-Nisaa', verse 171. Imam Qurtubi relates eight different responses in regards to what is meant by the word "ruh" or "spirit". Imam ibn al-Jawzi also mentioned seven responses. A few of these responses overlapped, including the first response of both scholars:
They relate that Ubayy ibn Ka'ab says that Allah created all the soul of the children of Adam when he took the oath from them (in the realm of the souls). Then he placed all of these souls into the backbone (sulb) of Adam except for the soul (ruh) of Isa (a.s.). Then when it was time for Allah ta'ala to create 'Isa (a.s.) he sent that soul to Maryam (a.s.). Thus, in that sense, he was a spirit from Allah (Allah's spirit).
Another opinion that both scholars mentioned is that Isa (a.s.) is referred to as "Ruh" because of the breath that Jibreel (a.s.) released to Maryam. And in Arabic, a breath (nafkhah) can be referred to as a "ruh". Imam Qurtubi adds that a breath (nafkhah) can be called "ruh" because a breath is wind (reeh) which comes from the soul (ruh). Thus a "breath" is a "ruh", and Isa (a.s.) was conceived through the breath of Jibreel (a.s.) onto Maryam (a.s.).
Another opinion mentioned by Ibn al-Jawzi is that since Isa (a.s.) used to bring the dead back to life by the permission of Allah he was referred to as "Ruh", because it is through the "ruh" that things come to life. This is also why the Qur'an is called "Ruh". Ibn al-Jawzi mentions this on the authority of Qadi Abu Ya'la.
These were a few of the opinions mentioned. We should also note that in the same verse Isa (a.s.) is also referred to as "Allah's Word" (kalimatuhu). This is because Isa was created from the word "kun" which means "Be". Ultimately, all of us were created through Allah's command. But since Isa was created without the medium of a father he was granted a special status as Allah's word. The same can be understood with the word Ruh. We are all souls from Allah but since Isa was created under miraculous circumstances he was referred to specifically as Allah's spirit, although we are all spirits from Allah.
That leads to the last opinion that I will mention which Imam Qurtubi mentioned in his tafsir that Isa (a.s.) was given this title out of honor and preference (tafdeel) for his status even though we are all spirits from Allah.
They relate that Ubayy ibn Ka'ab says that Allah created all the soul of the children of Adam when he took the oath from them (in the realm of the souls). Then he placed all of these souls into the backbone (sulb) of Adam except for the soul (ruh) of Isa (a.s.). Then when it was time for Allah ta'ala to create 'Isa (a.s.) he sent that soul to Maryam (a.s.). Thus, in that sense, he was a spirit from Allah (Allah's spirit).
Another opinion that both scholars mentioned is that Isa (a.s.) is referred to as "Ruh" because of the breath that Jibreel (a.s.) released to Maryam. And in Arabic, a breath (nafkhah) can be referred to as a "ruh". Imam Qurtubi adds that a breath (nafkhah) can be called "ruh" because a breath is wind (reeh) which comes from the soul (ruh). Thus a "breath" is a "ruh", and Isa (a.s.) was conceived through the breath of Jibreel (a.s.) onto Maryam (a.s.).
Another opinion mentioned by Ibn al-Jawzi is that since Isa (a.s.) used to bring the dead back to life by the permission of Allah he was referred to as "Ruh", because it is through the "ruh" that things come to life. This is also why the Qur'an is called "Ruh". Ibn al-Jawzi mentions this on the authority of Qadi Abu Ya'la.
These were a few of the opinions mentioned. We should also note that in the same verse Isa (a.s.) is also referred to as "Allah's Word" (kalimatuhu). This is because Isa was created from the word "kun" which means "Be". Ultimately, all of us were created through Allah's command. But since Isa was created without the medium of a father he was granted a special status as Allah's word. The same can be understood with the word Ruh. We are all souls from Allah but since Isa was created under miraculous circumstances he was referred to specifically as Allah's spirit, although we are all spirits from Allah.
That leads to the last opinion that I will mention which Imam Qurtubi mentioned in his tafsir that Isa (a.s.) was given this title out of honor and preference (tafdeel) for his status even though we are all spirits from Allah.
QUOTE(Rajaa_Reda @ Aug 22 2008, 04:15 PM)
no offense taken, just that each is a part of and important part of Islam. The term lord is used as a reference of leader.. i can understand the question more now rereading... the"spirit" as his "nature" not that the "spirit of God was Jesus" by no means is that the reference made.
I got it as a traditional muslim saying.... "the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was not a founder of a new religion but a reformer of the old monotheist tradition that reaches back through Jesus, Moses, Abraham to our common first father, Adam"
The Heirs of the prophet Muhammad... by Barnaby Rogrson
I got it as a traditional muslim saying.... "the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was not a founder of a new religion but a reformer of the old monotheist tradition that reaches back through Jesus, Moses, Abraham to our common first father, Adam"
The Heirs of the prophet Muhammad... by Barnaby Rogrson
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 22 2008, 04:21 PM)
Found a sunni source
http://attalib.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-is...t-of-allah.html
http://attalib.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-is...t-of-allah.html
QUOTE
Allah ta'ala does refer to 'Isa (a.s.) as His spirit, or a spirit from Him (roohun minhu). Allah ta'ala says this in surah al-Nisaa', verse 171. Imam Qurtubi relates eight different responses in regards to what is meant by the word "ruh" or "spirit". Imam ibn al-Jawzi also mentioned seven responses. A few of these responses overlapped, including the first response of both scholars:
They relate that Ubayy ibn Ka'ab says that Allah created all the soul of the children of Adam when he took the oath from them (in the realm of the souls). Then he placed all of these souls into the backbone (sulb) of Adam except for the soul (ruh) of Isa (a.s.). Then when it was time for Allah ta'ala to create 'Isa (a.s.) he sent that soul to Maryam (a.s.). Thus, in that sense, he was a spirit from Allah (Allah's spirit).
Another opinion that both scholars mentioned is that Isa (a.s.) is referred to as "Ruh" because of the breath that Jibreel (a.s.) released to Maryam. And in Arabic, a breath (nafkhah) can be referred to as a "ruh". Imam Qurtubi adds that a breath (nafkhah) can be called "ruh" because a breath is wind (reeh) which comes from the soul (ruh). Thus a "breath" is a "ruh", and Isa (a.s.) was conceived through the breath of Jibreel (a.s.) onto Maryam (a.s.).
Another opinion mentioned by Ibn al-Jawzi is that since Isa (a.s.) used to bring the dead back to life by the permission of Allah he was referred to as "Ruh", because it is through the "ruh" that things come to life. This is also why the Qur'an is called "Ruh". Ibn al-Jawzi mentions this on the authority of Qadi Abu Ya'la.
These were a few of the opinions mentioned. We should also note that in the same verse Isa (a.s.) is also referred to as "Allah's Word" (kalimatuhu). This is because Isa was created from the word "kun" which means "Be". Ultimately, all of us were created through Allah's command. But since Isa was created without the medium of a father he was granted a special status as Allah's word. The same can be understood with the word Ruh. We are all souls from Allah but since Isa was created under miraculous circumstances he was referred to specifically as Allah's spirit, although we are all spirits from Allah.
That leads to the last opinion that I will mention which Imam Qurtubi mentioned in his tafsir that Isa (a.s.) was given this title out of honor and preference (tafdeel) for his status even though we are all spirits from Allah.
They relate that Ubayy ibn Ka'ab says that Allah created all the soul of the children of Adam when he took the oath from them (in the realm of the souls). Then he placed all of these souls into the backbone (sulb) of Adam except for the soul (ruh) of Isa (a.s.). Then when it was time for Allah ta'ala to create 'Isa (a.s.) he sent that soul to Maryam (a.s.). Thus, in that sense, he was a spirit from Allah (Allah's spirit).
Another opinion that both scholars mentioned is that Isa (a.s.) is referred to as "Ruh" because of the breath that Jibreel (a.s.) released to Maryam. And in Arabic, a breath (nafkhah) can be referred to as a "ruh". Imam Qurtubi adds that a breath (nafkhah) can be called "ruh" because a breath is wind (reeh) which comes from the soul (ruh). Thus a "breath" is a "ruh", and Isa (a.s.) was conceived through the breath of Jibreel (a.s.) onto Maryam (a.s.).
Another opinion mentioned by Ibn al-Jawzi is that since Isa (a.s.) used to bring the dead back to life by the permission of Allah he was referred to as "Ruh", because it is through the "ruh" that things come to life. This is also why the Qur'an is called "Ruh". Ibn al-Jawzi mentions this on the authority of Qadi Abu Ya'la.
These were a few of the opinions mentioned. We should also note that in the same verse Isa (a.s.) is also referred to as "Allah's Word" (kalimatuhu). This is because Isa was created from the word "kun" which means "Be". Ultimately, all of us were created through Allah's command. But since Isa was created without the medium of a father he was granted a special status as Allah's word. The same can be understood with the word Ruh. We are all souls from Allah but since Isa was created under miraculous circumstances he was referred to specifically as Allah's spirit, although we are all spirits from Allah.
That leads to the last opinion that I will mention which Imam Qurtubi mentioned in his tafsir that Isa (a.s.) was given this title out of honor and preference (tafdeel) for his status even though we are all spirits from Allah.
you got it!!! thank you great link btw... 
Islamic Terms to Learn for Ramadan
Written by by M. I. Zahid
Tuesday, 25 March 2008
Bab Al-Raiyan
The name of one of the gates of Heavens (Jannah) through which the people who often observe fasting will enter on the Day of Judgement.
Eid Al-Fitr
Three day festival marking the end of Ramadan. It takes place on the 1st of Shawal, the 10th month of the Islamic calendar.
Fidya
Compensation for missing or wrongly practicing necessary acts of worship. Fidya usually takes the form of donating money, foodstuffs, or sacrificing an animal. Contrast with Kaffara (making amends).
Iftar
Breaking of the fast immediately after sunset. Iftar takes place at Maghrib as soon as the Call to Prayer (Adhan) is called.
Imsak
Start of the fasting time. Imsak begins when the first light of dawn becomes visible, and ends at Fajr when the Adhan is called.
I'tikaf
I'tikaf refers to the religious practice of spending the last ten days of Ramadan (either wholly or partly) in a mosque so as to devote oneself exclusively to worship. In this state one may go out of the mosque only for the absolutely necessary requirements of life.The minimum period for i'tikaf is twenty-four hours. I'tikaf is not valid if one is not keeping the fast or if it is done outside the month of Ramadan.
Kaffarah
Kaffarah means atonement, expiation.
Lailatul-Qadr
The Night of Power,' concealed in one of the odd nights in the last ten days of Ramadan; the night on which the Qur'an was first revealed by Jibraeel to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and which the Qur'an itself describes as "better than a thousand months."[Al-Qadr (97:3)]
Ramadan
The ninth month of the Islamic (luner) calendar.
Suhoor
The meal taken before sun rise (what does your mum make?)
Sawm
The Arabic word for fast. Plural: Siyam.
Source:www.missionislam.com/ramadan/terms.htm
Written by by M. I. Zahid
Tuesday, 25 March 2008
Bab Al-Raiyan
The name of one of the gates of Heavens (Jannah) through which the people who often observe fasting will enter on the Day of Judgement.
Eid Al-Fitr
Three day festival marking the end of Ramadan. It takes place on the 1st of Shawal, the 10th month of the Islamic calendar.
Fidya
Compensation for missing or wrongly practicing necessary acts of worship. Fidya usually takes the form of donating money, foodstuffs, or sacrificing an animal. Contrast with Kaffara (making amends).
Iftar
Breaking of the fast immediately after sunset. Iftar takes place at Maghrib as soon as the Call to Prayer (Adhan) is called.
Imsak
Start of the fasting time. Imsak begins when the first light of dawn becomes visible, and ends at Fajr when the Adhan is called.
I'tikaf
I'tikaf refers to the religious practice of spending the last ten days of Ramadan (either wholly or partly) in a mosque so as to devote oneself exclusively to worship. In this state one may go out of the mosque only for the absolutely necessary requirements of life.The minimum period for i'tikaf is twenty-four hours. I'tikaf is not valid if one is not keeping the fast or if it is done outside the month of Ramadan.
Kaffarah
Kaffarah means atonement, expiation.
Lailatul-Qadr
The Night of Power,' concealed in one of the odd nights in the last ten days of Ramadan; the night on which the Qur'an was first revealed by Jibraeel to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and which the Qur'an itself describes as "better than a thousand months."[Al-Qadr (97:3)]
Ramadan
The ninth month of the Islamic (luner) calendar.
Suhoor
The meal taken before sun rise (what does your mum make?)
Sawm
The Arabic word for fast. Plural: Siyam.
Source:www.missionislam.com/ramadan/terms.htm
Esalaams! Nice to see you Rahma!
From me, I would suggest all the new Muslims get really educated in their FIQH! A good book I would suggest is: Reliance of the Traveler :
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller-C...k/dp/0915957728
http://www.nku.edu/~kenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html
I was kinda confused on the same thing but I didn't want to say anything
From me, I would suggest all the new Muslims get really educated in their FIQH! A good book I would suggest is: Reliance of the Traveler :
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller-C...k/dp/0915957728
http://www.nku.edu/~kenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html
QUOTE(ta me go hiontach @ Aug 22 2008, 05:53 PM)
rajaa, no offence, but i am not getting that quote in yr signature.
Our Lord Abraham is the beloved of God
Our Lord Moses is the mouthpiece of God
Our lord Issa (Jesus) is the spirit of God
but our Lord Muhammad is the Prophet of God
Lords? Issa is the spirit of God? (astaghirfullah)
where did you find that?
Our Lord Abraham is the beloved of God
Our Lord Moses is the mouthpiece of God
Our lord Issa (Jesus) is the spirit of God
but our Lord Muhammad is the Prophet of God
Lords? Issa is the spirit of God? (astaghirfullah)
where did you find that?
I was kinda confused on the same thing but I didn't want to say anything
QUOTE(Henia @ Aug 23 2008, 12:44 PM)
Esalaams! Nice to see you Rahma!
From me, I would suggest all the new Muslims get really educated in their FIQH! A good book I would suggest is: Reliance of the Traveler :
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller-C...k/dp/0915957728
http://www.nku.edu/~kenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html
From me, I would suggest all the new Muslims get really educated in their FIQH! A good book I would suggest is: Reliance of the Traveler :
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller-C...k/dp/0915957728
http://www.nku.edu/~kenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html
wa alaikum assalam,
I am interested to know why you would recommend this particular book.
1. It's shafi'i fiqh. In the haram thread, you were pretty harsh to Bridget for posting a link from sunnipath, saying that it was only hanafi and shafi'i fiqh. And speaking of harsh, if you thought what she and I posted there was harsh, it has nothing on this book. This book isn't shy about declaring the haram haram, including music.
2. The rulings in the book are much less explanatory than what one will find on sunnipath. Sometimes its just the ruling, and not much on the reasoning behind the ruling. Yes, there are reasons for the rulings, but they're in another (yet to be translated) volume.
3. The translator (who by the way teaches at sunnipath on occasion) strongly recommends that his students learn a school of law, and that they do that by getting a book of fiqh AND reading through it with a teacher. So while it's good to have the book, it's even better to study it with a teacher.
All that being said, I do own Reliance of the Traveller. But then again, I'm a shafi'i, so it would make sense that I have the most comprehensive shafi'i fiqh book in english.
Even if one is not shafi'i, the last few chapters and appendixes at the end of the book are a very good read in general.
In the end, when learning Islam, I look at it this way. How did the Prophet (saws) learn Islam? From a book? No, he had the Angel Jibreel (as). His companions were taught by him. The tabiyeen (second generation) were taught by the companions, and so on down the line through to today. Sacred knowledge was rarely passed down simply by means of a printed text. Even when there was a printed text, the teacher would take it, read it to the students, and explain it to them.
I prefer to avoid the different schools of thought. My husband and his family don't prefer one or the other either. Instead, we just try to study the hadith or get advice from an Imam and make informed decisions. Its impossible to avoid the schools of thought since many rulings have come down from them that decide many aspects of Islam. Yet it is easier to keep from relying on one school only. This is my input. Of course everyone has their preferences and whatever those may be, they should be respected.
QUOTE(just_Jackie @ Aug 20 2008, 08:27 PM)
I really had never heard of Islam until after 9/11. I started to read about it and studied for 6 months. I knew of no muslims. I didn't know any arabs. I just knew I was searching for something with structure and found it in Islam.
After 6 months of preparing, I said my shahada May 5, 2002. A muslim woman can only marry a muslim man, so that narrowed my field greatly! lol.
It is always refreshing to see someone show interest.
Jackie
After 6 months of preparing, I said my shahada May 5, 2002. A muslim woman can only marry a muslim man, so that narrowed my field greatly! lol.
It is always refreshing to see someone show interest.
Jackie
Actually, the belief that Muslim women can marry only Muslim men is not derived from Islam, but from fiqh law based on cultural norms arising from the wars and animosity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Unfortunately, fiqh is not always Islamic; it is the fallible attempt by scholars and jurists to forge the wishes of individual societies into paradigms that make social sense, but not always spiritual sense. It is impossible to explain the reasoning behind this law without (a) insulting the competence and autonomy of all Muslimas; (
asserting that Muslim men superior to all other human beings; © distorting Quranic law; and/or (d) subordinating women to all men. Try to do it without having to engage one of those. You can't. You also must ignore Muslim history.During the Prophet's time, there were Muslim women who converted many years before their husbands, inculding the Prophet's own daughter, Zainab, and the parents of the ahadith transmitter Ibn Abbas. His mother was the second woman to convert to Islam after the Prophet's revelations, but his father did not convert for 20 years after his wife. Also, Aisha was engaged to a Christian man by her father, Abu Bakr, a close companion of the Prophet and the first Caliph, before that engagement was withdrawn so she could marry Muhammad. He would not have done such a thing if it was forbidden by Allah.
There is nothing in the Quran nor the Sunnah disallowing Muslim women from interfaith marriage with kitabi men. This is a perversion of the law that is being reexamoined and challenged, much along the line of manadatory headcovering, honor killings, obedience to husbands before God, slavery, polygamy for a man's pleasure, and the belief that Muslims are God's chosen people. One must be careful to understand the origins of fiqh and beliefs, and discern whether they have roots in Allah's law or in man's law. The distinction is essential for anyone that wants to remain true to the Word, for our alliegence is to Allah, not to mortal desires.
I am a born Arab Muslima was married to a Christian man for 30 years. I broke none of Allah's laws in doing so. Nor have any of my sisters who have learned that such prohibition is not of God, but from the unIslamic desire of men to rule over women. We pray for the suffering of Muslims who are lead astray by this rule. May Allah guide us all.
QUOTE(Rajaa @ May 22 2008, 05:24 PM)
Salam,
Just thought a chat for Muslims would be helpful. I am constantly wondering if that may come up on the radar for the approval and if that may delay but alas it doesn't help to worry about such things as there is nothing I can change I am who I am Hamdolah. Looking for the support of others facing the same challenges or anyone interested in participating... all are welcome to chime in.
Just thought a chat for Muslims would be helpful. I am constantly wondering if that may come up on the radar for the approval and if that may delay but alas it doesn't help to worry about such things as there is nothing I can change I am who I am Hamdolah. Looking for the support of others facing the same challenges or anyone interested in participating... all are welcome to chime in.
Wa alaykom salam,
I would hope, for the safty and securety of our country that the DHS is not wasting a lot of time and money examining applicants more closely only because they wear hijab.
May Allah (subhanawatallah) make it easy for you insha'allah.
S.
The translator (who by the way teaches at sunnipath on occasion) strongly recommends that his students learn a school of law, and that they do that by getting a book of fiqh AND reading through it with a teacher. So while it's good to have the book, it's even better to study it with a teacher.
The schools of law have a history of rulings that are based in the cultural and social norms of particular regions. This is why they vary significantly in about 25% of their determinations i.e., one may have decided that a woman is allowed to chose her own spouse, another may have decided that a father may marry off his daughter to a man is his choosing despite her wishes.
The rulings of any particular region are based on the needs of tribal societies, and many do not allow for the needs of contemporary socieites, east and west. The tyranny of tribal traditions, particularly those in the Arab regions, has been substantial, and the influence of oil money from the Gulf is becoming more pervasive throughout the Muslim world. This has sublimated the allowance that the norms of culturally diverse societies be valid components in the interpretation of Islamic directives, requiring, instead, a transplantation of benefactors' tribal norms to the burgeoning community. This is giving rise to a conflict in the west where there is great resistance to the concept that Muslims in non-Muslim countries are capable of forming law in the context of their societies, but must, intead, hold fast to interpretations formed from the norms of foreign socieities.
There have been dozens of schools since the death of the Prophet (who adhered to no school). There is precedent for the formation of schools that serve western Muslims and no blasphemy in not adhering to the schools of other regions. It is best to learn the history, determinations, trends and philosophies of many schools (I have), but there is no compulsion in the west to abide by any of them.
The schools of law have a history of rulings that are based in the cultural and social norms of particular regions. This is why they vary significantly in about 25% of their determinations i.e., one may have decided that a woman is allowed to chose her own spouse, another may have decided that a father may marry off his daughter to a man is his choosing despite her wishes.
The rulings of any particular region are based on the needs of tribal societies, and many do not allow for the needs of contemporary socieites, east and west. The tyranny of tribal traditions, particularly those in the Arab regions, has been substantial, and the influence of oil money from the Gulf is becoming more pervasive throughout the Muslim world. This has sublimated the allowance that the norms of culturally diverse societies be valid components in the interpretation of Islamic directives, requiring, instead, a transplantation of benefactors' tribal norms to the burgeoning community. This is giving rise to a conflict in the west where there is great resistance to the concept that Muslims in non-Muslim countries are capable of forming law in the context of their societies, but must, intead, hold fast to interpretations formed from the norms of foreign socieities.
There have been dozens of schools since the death of the Prophet (who adhered to no school). There is precedent for the formation of schools that serve western Muslims and no blasphemy in not adhering to the schools of other regions. It is best to learn the history, determinations, trends and philosophies of many schools (I have), but there is no compulsion in the west to abide by any of them.
One more thought, there is a great deal of lip service given to taking responsibility for learning your faith and consulting teachers and scholars, but here is also a great deal of animosity from those who do so and come to differing conclusions. There has been a long standing tradition of honoring diversity of thought in Islam (not without conflict), but the bottom line is that schools of thought survived not by the will of the people to follow them, but through the benevolence of rulers who favored one over others.
As a student of Islam for 45+ years, I know that there is no way to deny the overwhelming influence of political manipulations in what we take for granted in practice. Many who have avidly pursued Islamic education in good faith and have questioned the legitimacy of some methodologies, and/or the contraditions between rulings and the sacred texts and major sources find that instead of being engaged, they are marginalized and dismissed as out of the mainstream simply because they do not equate man-made law with divine law.
As a student of Islam for 45+ years, I know that there is no way to deny the overwhelming influence of political manipulations in what we take for granted in practice. Many who have avidly pursued Islamic education in good faith and have questioned the legitimacy of some methodologies, and/or the contraditions between rulings and the sacred texts and major sources find that instead of being engaged, they are marginalized and dismissed as out of the mainstream simply because they do not equate man-made law with divine law.
QUOTE(Virtual wife @ Aug 24 2008, 12:33 PM)
One more thought, there is a great deal of lip service given to taking responsibility for learning your faith and consulting teachers and scholars, but here is also a great deal of animosity from those who do so and come to differing conclusions. There has been a long standing tradition of honoring diversity of thought in Islam (not without conflict), but the bottom line is that schools of thought survived not by the will of the people to follow them, but through the benevolence of rulers who favored one over others.
As a student of Islam for 45+ years, I know that there is no way to deny the overwhelming influence of political manipulations in what we take for granted in practice. Many who have avidly pursued Islamic education in good faith and have questioned the legitimacy of some methodologies, and/or the contraditions between rulings and the sacred texts and major sources find that instead of being engaged, they are marginalized and dismissed as out of the mainstream simply because they do not equate man-made law with divine law.
As a student of Islam for 45+ years, I know that there is no way to deny the overwhelming influence of political manipulations in what we take for granted in practice. Many who have avidly pursued Islamic education in good faith and have questioned the legitimacy of some methodologies, and/or the contraditions between rulings and the sacred texts and major sources find that instead of being engaged, they are marginalized and dismissed as out of the mainstream simply because they do not equate man-made law with divine law.
So true.......... Allah guides whom he choses. It is good to search for yourself what is right or wrong in the different texts. Man is not perfect and neither are the scholars. The most important thing is to ask for Allah's guidance in all matters that are important in one's life rather than limit yourself to one man's interpretation/opinion.
Forgive me, I'm reading this thread a bit backwards to where I left off lol
I am so happy to see this, I cried! Your husband was very wise to let you find your own way with Allah's guidance. No one can bring you to Islam willingly without His indulgence. May you continue to find your way walking toward Him, so He can continue to run toward you.
QUOTE(Aymsgirl @ Aug 20 2008, 06:52 AM)
Well, it was me, I did my Shahada last week! I have studied Islam for almost two years now and feel that it is the religion for me. I will not go into all of the reasons why I converted and did my Shahada because I don't want to cause any controversy with any Non-Muslims but I feel very good about my decision. I was Christian for 32 years before then, studied the Bible, previously taught Sunday School and knew what I was doing when I decided to accept Islam.
My poor husband caught the bad end of the deal there for awhile. I would say show me this or show me that and he would just point and say find out for yourself. I would yell and say I'm asking you, tell me, show me!!! He would say if God is leading you, you will find your way love. I now know that it is because he didn't want me to think that it was something I had to do for him or for anybody to say I did it for him. He wanted it to be something that I felt from my heart and led to do on my own. And for this I am extremely grateful to be married to the man that I love. Through his actions did I see how peaceful Islam was and should be and through his devotion did I see him living as an example for the love of Allah. Seeing this is what struck the curiosity to learn more and then I was able to let go of my preconceived misinterpretations as Allah led me through my new journey.
I want to say thank you to all of you that Allah guided to help show me my way. I know some of the questions I may have asked may have seemed silly to some but it meant a lot that some of you were willing to go the extra mile to help me to understand.
I'm taking it easy and slowly and learning every day. Jackie and my hubby are helping to learn Al Fatiha and I think I am almost finished with it minus a few verses. I am praying beside my husband have got the movements down, just learning the Arabic for the prayer and concentrating on the meaning so I can feel it when I pray.
Please remember me through my new journey in life. I pray that one day I can be a light to others as some of you have been to me. I pray that I can be a good wife, mother and servant to Allah. Thank you again.
My poor husband caught the bad end of the deal there for awhile. I would say show me this or show me that and he would just point and say find out for yourself. I would yell and say I'm asking you, tell me, show me!!! He would say if God is leading you, you will find your way love. I now know that it is because he didn't want me to think that it was something I had to do for him or for anybody to say I did it for him. He wanted it to be something that I felt from my heart and led to do on my own. And for this I am extremely grateful to be married to the man that I love. Through his actions did I see how peaceful Islam was and should be and through his devotion did I see him living as an example for the love of Allah. Seeing this is what struck the curiosity to learn more and then I was able to let go of my preconceived misinterpretations as Allah led me through my new journey.
I want to say thank you to all of you that Allah guided to help show me my way. I know some of the questions I may have asked may have seemed silly to some but it meant a lot that some of you were willing to go the extra mile to help me to understand.
I'm taking it easy and slowly and learning every day. Jackie and my hubby are helping to learn Al Fatiha and I think I am almost finished with it minus a few verses. I am praying beside my husband have got the movements down, just learning the Arabic for the prayer and concentrating on the meaning so I can feel it when I pray.
Please remember me through my new journey in life. I pray that one day I can be a light to others as some of you have been to me. I pray that I can be a good wife, mother and servant to Allah. Thank you again.
I am so happy to see this, I cried! Your husband was very wise to let you find your own way with Allah's guidance. No one can bring you to Islam willingly without His indulgence. May you continue to find your way walking toward Him, so He can continue to run toward you.
Always good to see you VW. 
Jackie
Jackie
Back at ya, Jax!
I've really enjoyed learning the history of Islam starting from the Prophet's (pbuh) death... it expains alot.
QUOTE(Virtual wife @ Aug 24 2008, 02:17 PM)
Forgive me, I'm reading this thread a bit backwards to where I left off lol
I am so happy to see this, I cried! Your husband was very wise to let you find your own way with Allah's guidance. No one can bring you to Islam willingly without His indulgence. May you continue to find your way walking toward Him, so He can continue to run toward you.
QUOTE(Aymsgirl @ Aug 20 2008, 06:52 AM)
Well, it was me, I did my Shahada last week! I have studied Islam for almost two years now and feel that it is the religion for me. I will not go into all of the reasons why I converted and did my Shahada because I don't want to cause any controversy with any Non-Muslims but I feel very good about my decision. I was Christian for 32 years before then, studied the Bible, previously taught Sunday School and knew what I was doing when I decided to accept Islam.
My poor husband caught the bad end of the deal there for awhile. I would say show me this or show me that and he would just point and say find out for yourself. I would yell and say I'm asking you, tell me, show me!!! He would say if God is leading you, you will find your way love. I now know that it is because he didn't want me to think that it was something I had to do for him or for anybody to say I did it for him. He wanted it to be something that I felt from my heart and led to do on my own. And for this I am extremely grateful to be married to the man that I love. Through his actions did I see how peaceful Islam was and should be and through his devotion did I see him living as an example for the love of Allah. Seeing this is what struck the curiosity to learn more and then I was able to let go of my preconceived misinterpretations as Allah led me through my new journey.
I want to say thank you to all of you that Allah guided to help show me my way. I know some of the questions I may have asked may have seemed silly to some but it meant a lot that some of you were willing to go the extra mile to help me to understand.
I'm taking it easy and slowly and learning every day. Jackie and my hubby are helping to learn Al Fatiha and I think I am almost finished with it minus a few verses. I am praying beside my husband have got the movements down, just learning the Arabic for the prayer and concentrating on the meaning so I can feel it when I pray.
Please remember me through my new journey in life. I pray that one day I can be a light to others as some of you have been to me. I pray that I can be a good wife, mother and servant to Allah. Thank you again.
My poor husband caught the bad end of the deal there for awhile. I would say show me this or show me that and he would just point and say find out for yourself. I would yell and say I'm asking you, tell me, show me!!! He would say if God is leading you, you will find your way love. I now know that it is because he didn't want me to think that it was something I had to do for him or for anybody to say I did it for him. He wanted it to be something that I felt from my heart and led to do on my own. And for this I am extremely grateful to be married to the man that I love. Through his actions did I see how peaceful Islam was and should be and through his devotion did I see him living as an example for the love of Allah. Seeing this is what struck the curiosity to learn more and then I was able to let go of my preconceived misinterpretations as Allah led me through my new journey.
I want to say thank you to all of you that Allah guided to help show me my way. I know some of the questions I may have asked may have seemed silly to some but it meant a lot that some of you were willing to go the extra mile to help me to understand.
I'm taking it easy and slowly and learning every day. Jackie and my hubby are helping to learn Al Fatiha and I think I am almost finished with it minus a few verses. I am praying beside my husband have got the movements down, just learning the Arabic for the prayer and concentrating on the meaning so I can feel it when I pray.
Please remember me through my new journey in life. I pray that one day I can be a light to others as some of you have been to me. I pray that I can be a good wife, mother and servant to Allah. Thank you again.
I am so happy to see this, I cried! Your husband was very wise to let you find your own way with Allah's guidance. No one can bring you to Islam willingly without His indulgence. May you continue to find your way walking toward Him, so He can continue to run toward you.
Thanks VW!!! I am so grateful that he taught me the right way by showing me I had to do this for myself.
I didn't get a chance to congratulate you aymsgirl, but I wanted to say I am so happy for you and your decision. It is so great to welcome a new muslima!
How is learning Al Fatiha going for the new muslims? If anyone needs help in memorizing..message me or one of the others. We would love to help.
Jackie
....and rahma has the best collection of links i have ever seen
Jackie
....and rahma has the best collection of links i have ever seen
QUOTE(just_Jackie @ Aug 24 2008, 10:26 PM)
How is learning Al Fatiha going for the new muslims? If anyone needs help in memorizing..message me or one of the others. We would love to help.
Jackie
....and rahma has the best collection of links i have ever seen
Jackie
....and rahma has the best collection of links i have ever seen
S and S thanks!
Jackie----I need my next verse! I kind of relaxed on learning it with so much going on at home. Ayman made me a CD with it to listen in the car but Im not sure I understand what the next verse is. The man was reciting the Quran and my daughter said, "Aym, why is that Egyptian music is so long?"
We laughed so hard at her.
Even the greatest reformers sat at the feet of more traditionally minded scholars and obtained a base from which they could engage the material.
Muhammad Abduh studied at al Azhar
Jamal al Deen al Afghani studied with shia scholars in Iran
Amina Wadud studied at Cairo University
Tariq Ramadan studied at al Azhar
ibn Hazm studied with maliki scholars in Spain (speaking of differences of opinion, here's a guy who had lots. I live this everyday. An anti tasawwuf pseudo zahari married to a tasawwuf minded shafi'i makes for lots of *fun* dinner conversations)
Certainly there will be animonsity when diviating from the majority, but that doesn't mean those who differ are saints in terms of adab (manners). ibn Hazm's writings are dripping with contempt for anyone who doesn't follow his opinions, and anyone who's been involved in the progressive movement in the last few years has butted heads with Tarek Fatah *shudders*.
In the end though, what doesn't change is how islam has been taught since the time of the Prophet (saws). It wasn't taught through books, it was taught from student to teacher, in a chain that stretches back to the Prophet (saws). If one wants to sit with a more reform minded scholar, be my guest. A salafi, sure, why not? Just make sure that the person has knowledge of the texts, and lives islam.
Muhammad Abduh studied at al Azhar
Jamal al Deen al Afghani studied with shia scholars in Iran
Amina Wadud studied at Cairo University
Tariq Ramadan studied at al Azhar
ibn Hazm studied with maliki scholars in Spain (speaking of differences of opinion, here's a guy who had lots. I live this everyday. An anti tasawwuf pseudo zahari married to a tasawwuf minded shafi'i makes for lots of *fun* dinner conversations)
Certainly there will be animonsity when diviating from the majority, but that doesn't mean those who differ are saints in terms of adab (manners). ibn Hazm's writings are dripping with contempt for anyone who doesn't follow his opinions, and anyone who's been involved in the progressive movement in the last few years has butted heads with Tarek Fatah *shudders*.
In the end though, what doesn't change is how islam has been taught since the time of the Prophet (saws). It wasn't taught through books, it was taught from student to teacher, in a chain that stretches back to the Prophet (saws). If one wants to sit with a more reform minded scholar, be my guest. A salafi, sure, why not? Just make sure that the person has knowledge of the texts, and lives islam.
http://www.mounthira.com/
Excellent resource for learning short surahs. It recites a line in arabic, and highlights it on the arabic, transliteration and translation. Repeat each line as mcuh as you want, and then move on.
My one complaint was that they used the Hilili and Khan translation, but it looks like they've changed that
Excellent resource for learning short surahs. It recites a line in arabic, and highlights it on the arabic, transliteration and translation. Repeat each line as mcuh as you want, and then move on.
My one complaint was that they used the Hilili and Khan translation, but it looks like they've changed that
Rahma is back !!!! Welcome back, girlie -- you have been greatly missed !
Rahma, thanks for the site, I will take a look at it when I get home tonight.
Mashallah Rahma, you came just in time... your supportive comments, insightfulness and wonderful links Alhamdolilah are exactly what this muslimah needs espcially right before Ramadan...
Aww, I missed ya'll too 
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 25 2008, 07:43 AM)
Aww, I missed ya'll too
lol love the smiley...
QUOTE(Rajaa_Reda @ Aug 25 2008, 11:13 AM)
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 25 2008, 07:43 AM)
Aww, I missed ya'll too
lol love the smiley...
Me, too...that's the best!
Some of the worst adab is found between scholars,but that's not an experience one would have as a adoring online student. The big leagues of scholarly debate is not the adab fantasy laypersons have, If it was, animosity and marginalization wouldn't even be issues. The adab dismissal is a falsehood that only novices fall fpr. Those of us who deal with scholars irl daily know better.
Care to get in any more back handed jabs while you're at it VW? Anything else to attempt to undermine my credibility? Forgive me for not running in your lofty circles. Some of us make due with the best our areas have to offer, and suppliment it when the local scene is lacking (and/or heavily salafi oriented). Forgive me for appreciating the teachers I have.
I was not attempting to dismiss you and/or reformers with the adab remark. You commented that reformers were often marginalized and dismissed, which to me indicates poor adab. I was merely adding to this opinion that the reformers often did/do the same to the mainstream. Many people, be they of the majority or of the dissenters, lack adab when it comes to differences of opinion.
I was not attempting to dismiss you and/or reformers with the adab remark. You commented that reformers were often marginalized and dismissed, which to me indicates poor adab. I was merely adding to this opinion that the reformers often did/do the same to the mainstream. Many people, be they of the majority or of the dissenters, lack adab when it comes to differences of opinion.
We are almost done with al fatiha Tasha. Rahma, you up to teaching al kauther to our new sisters? What a wonderful time for all of us to share these most basic of steps.
As rahma and vw throw out 'salafis' and 'adabs' (among other words i don't know) me and the other newbies will be over here trying to learn some suras.
I love all of you and appreciate what you bring to the forum. ((((((group sister hug))))))))))
Jackie
As rahma and vw throw out 'salafis' and 'adabs' (among other words i don't know) me and the other newbies will be over here trying to learn some suras.
I love all of you and appreciate what you bring to the forum. ((((((group sister hug))))))))))
Jackie
QUOTE(just_Jackie @ Aug 25 2008, 02:55 PM)
We are almost done with al fatiha Tasha. Rahma, you up to teaching al kauther to our new sisters? What a wonderful time for all of us to share these most basic of steps.
As rahma and vw throw out 'salafis' and 'adabs' (among other words i don't know) me and the other newbies will be over here trying to learn some suras.
I love all of you and appreciate what you bring to the forum. ((((((group sister hug))))))))))
Jackie
As rahma and vw throw out 'salafis' and 'adabs' (among other words i don't know) me and the other newbies will be over here trying to learn some suras.
I love all of you and appreciate what you bring to the forum. ((((((group sister hug))))))))))
Jackie
Sweet
QUOTE(SterlingGirl @ Aug 20 2008, 06:41 PM)
I'm neither a Muslim nor am I marrying anyone from a MENA nation, but I just thought I'd ask - female USC's with Muslim MENA beneficiaries, what prompted you personally to convert to Islam? Was it truly a decision you made prior to meeting your mate, or was it to ensure that your mate would be marrying a Muslim woman, or was it because the faith truly appealed to you? And if the latter, what was it about the faith that convinced you to adopt it?
This is totally not a sarcastic or rude question, but one of genuine curiosity.
This is totally not a sarcastic or rude question, but one of genuine curiosity.
Great question! I am marrying a muslim man, but I am a Christian of the Baptist denomination. He explains to me about his faith & beliefs, and I share with him as well. It seems a "personal" choice & decision that one makes to change/accept another religion. Just like, spirituality is in any religion!
Just thought I'd share!
Hi Melinda. Communication is definately important in a 2 religion marriage. Good luck with your immigration journey.
Jackie
Jackie
QUOTE(rahma @ Aug 25 2008, 01:24 PM)
Care to get in any more back handed jabs while you're at it VW? Anything else to attempt to undermine my credibility? Forgive me for not running in your lofty circles. Some of us make due with the best our areas have to offer, and suppliment it when the local scene is lacking (and/or heavily salafi oriented). Forgive me for appreciating the teachers I have.
I was not attempting to dismiss you and/or reformers with the adab remark. You commented that reformers were often marginalized and dismissed, which to me indicates poor adab. I was merely adding to this opinion that the reformers often did/do the same to the mainstream. Many people, be they of the majority or of the dissenters, lack adab when it comes to differences of opinion.
I was not attempting to dismiss you and/or reformers with the adab remark. You commented that reformers were often marginalized and dismissed, which to me indicates poor adab. I was merely adding to this opinion that the reformers often did/do the same to the mainstream. Many people, be they of the majority or of the dissenters, lack adab when it comes to differences of opinion.
For Jackie: adab;
It was never my intent to undermine your credibility, Rahma. I'm apologize that you took it that way. My life and environment is what it is, but it is not something I wish to use as a weapon. Your passion and enthusiam for the faith and your eagerness to share it is a blessing. It's wonderful to see how people appreciate you. You are also so right about Tarek Fatah. We have done battle many times and are no longer speaking, at this point. However, you completely missed my points, and I may be a bit sensitive about the issue of adab because there is a tendency among students to believe that scholars are so well-mannered. I've had more than my share of their bad behavior, which may be why I'm come across so assertively in posts much of the time.
I appreciate my teachers, too, but I know when to disagree with them. An issue I have is the convert's ability to discern who is a good teacher who will not lead you astray and who will help you enrich your life in the faith, and what are proper sources. Where should you place your emphasis and what constitues the Middle Way? I have seen too many times students afraid to question or raise issues that could lead to conflict. Few certainly have the ability of substantive knowledge to challenge a teacher. I grew up in the faith, read fluent Arabic, have a Ph.D in Islam. For decades, I sat at the feet of venerated sheikhs, worked with ulema and jurists, and I'm still told I have a nerve to question anything from fiqh, no matter how ludicris. I can't imagine how a novice stands up to that. And, numbers show that they don't; the residivism rate for converts is rather high. That, I have deep concerns about. The ability to have a personal relationship with Allah is being slowly overridden with an over abundance of opinions, making Islam appear to be more monolitic in some ways, and more ambiguous in other ways.
Wow. And all I do is teach new muslimas how to say al fatiha.
We all have our roles, now don't we?
7 more days and then ya'll gotta agree to disagree Now stand shoulder to shoulder and help me to type phonetically the best way to pronounce Al Fatiha. ready..set ...go
Jackie
We all have our roles, now don't we?
7 more days and then ya'll gotta agree to disagree
Now stand shoulder to shoulder and help me to type phonetically the best way to pronounce Al Fatiha. ready..set ...go Jackie
Al Fa-ti-ha
Biss-mil-lah ah-raah-maan ah-ra-heem mah-lee-kee yoh-mi ad-deeni e-ya-ka nah-bu-du wah e-ya-kah nes-ta-een ee-ayh-dina as-seer-rata al muusta-keem seer-rata al-la-dina an-am-ta alay-heem rah-eri al-ma-rah-doe-bi ala-heem wala ad-dalleen
Sa-da-ka alla-ho al a-deem
The "r" rols a bit, like in Spanish.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha
I hope this helps.
Biss-mil-lah ah-raah-maan ah-ra-heem mah-lee-kee yoh-mi ad-deeni e-ya-ka nah-bu-du wah e-ya-kah nes-ta-een ee-ayh-dina as-seer-rata al muusta-keem seer-rata al-la-dina an-am-ta alay-heem rah-eri al-ma-rah-doe-bi ala-heem wala ad-dalleen
Sa-da-ka alla-ho al a-deem
The "r" rols a bit, like in Spanish.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha
I hope this helps.
QUOTE(Virtual wife @ Aug 25 2008, 09:15 PM)
Al Fa-ti-ha
Biss-mil-lah ah-raah-maan ah-ra-heem mah-lee-kee yoh-mi ad-deeni e-ya-ka nah-bu-du wah e-ya-kah nes-ta-een ee-ayh-dina as-seer-rata al muusta-keem seer-rata al-la-dina an-am-ta alay-heem rah-eri al-ma-rah-doe-bi ala-heem wala ad-dalleen
Sa-da-ka alla-ho al a-deem
The "r" rols a bit, like in Spanish.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha
I hope this helps.
Biss-mil-lah ah-raah-maan ah-ra-heem mah-lee-kee yoh-mi ad-deeni e-ya-ka nah-bu-du wah e-ya-kah nes-ta-een ee-ayh-dina as-seer-rata al muusta-keem seer-rata al-la-dina an-am-ta alay-heem rah-eri al-ma-rah-doe-bi ala-heem wala ad-dalleen
Sa-da-ka alla-ho al a-deem
The "r" rols a bit, like in Spanish.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha
I hope this helps.
What kind of al-Fatiha is that? The Ph.D. kind, lol? It is missing 1-2:3, the last line is not a part of al-Fatiha, and ghayn sounds nothing like a rolling spanish R but rather like a French R, and the two are quite different- a French R is not a rolling R.
hmmmmmmmmmm rahma....where are you ?
VW...is that sunni?
jJ
VW...is that sunni?
jJ
Personally, I subscribe to the Islamicity website where they have an excellent Quran memorizer. It helped me a lot as I need to see and hear the words in order to learn them. Unfortunately they allow only a short trial to use the Quran memorizer and then you must become a paying member. I pay, but there are several things on the website that benifit me enough to make me want to pay.
Hmmm, you're right, Kelly. Part of it dropped out. I edited it a couple of time coz parts changed after I posted it. It's not easy to express a sound for ghayn since there isn't a true equivalant in English. I'm no expert in written phonetic Arabic into English. Maybe you are, so, why don't you try?
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