LOL last night my husband met me at work and told me he met a nice Algerian man at the mosque! I asked him if they get along with Egyptians and he said no they hate us because we always win at soccer.

I hadn't really thought about that?

Actually my husband really likes Egyptians. He thinks they are funny. He doesn't get on well with Palestinians ( there are several he cannot stand in his home town that run businesses) Moroccans go either way some he likes some he doesnt. He couldnt stand Tunisia. He actually likes Algerians from the west much more than the east. He cannot stand eastern Algerians. He thinks they are stuffy and arrogant. But Egyptians.... he seems to like them

If you dont stop, I am going to send you a letter with the last name San Sebastiano El Basque and tell you I want to eat snails with you..

I went to get Zahra evaluated this morning and there were these 2 egyptian women sitting there. They just started warmly talking to me and on of the little girls of one of the woman kept putting her hand in my purse and taking a little bag of chips that I had for Zahra and eating them. They were so warm and friendly. I think thats an over all consensus about EGYPTIANS. Fun.... I have never met a non fun Egyptian. Even if they are not that fun, someone in their family is fun. They dont talk politics all the time. They dont have a chip on their shoulder. They never seem to sneer and they always have the most happy movies and music and they are always smiling...

I am thinking HAKIMMMMMMMMMMMM

HAKIMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

That's a really cool looking PIC !

Hey which one is Shadrach WOM

Do they always have to fine the ugliest people to show Where is the dudes that look like Antonio Banderas, he is smoking hot. But I do say this; Arab men have nothing on the Latino man when it comes to being bull-headed. In my house, if my Grandfather said something, it was the law, no negations; it was just how it was. Needless to say, I drive my family crazy. lol

Fun? More like, get your hands out of my chips, woman!

Nooooooooooooo. I have a mom purse with treats and yummies and I am not going to shoo away a cute little 2 year old Egyptian... I did think it was rather odd that her mom did not stop her. She just kept walking up to me and opening up my bag and taking stuff out LOL

I thought it was the mom that was stealing your chips, hahahaha.

No she just let her kids dip into my bag

Maann... I don't even want to start on that Algeria vs. Egypt. If he said that to the Algerian he wouldn't be so nice afterwards.

It goes back to 2002 when Egypt screwed up Algeria's bid to host the African cup by running all these non stop shows about Algerian soccer violence.. LOL

Watch Zidane ( Algerian) head but this guy. Classic

Wow I just got informed via PM to watch out from another woman trying to go into an Arab guise. Shes a member also diagnosed with the "crazies" insanely infatuated with Arabian culture and with an Algerian SO surprisingly. Name starts with an H. This PM just freaked the heck out of me. I can't believe there are actually insane predator type people online on this VJ forum. Wow

Hmmmmm, who could it be....

zidane is algerian or a smagdawhatever. he is from france, no? or should i say non?
he is v. v. cute.

It seems that Algerians have a big problem with headbutting. Watch out!

I can only guess 2 but I didn't think either of them were crazy. Oooooouch! One of the cats just jumped on my back claws and everything!!! Ahhh! WTH!

I know it's a repost but this thread is begging for it

I only know one person married to an Algerian on this board and her name is Henia and she is amazingly nice. Ive never pmed you Sarah ever. She is certainly not crazy... she is an established member of the board and very very kind... she in fact started the whole recipe thread...

Sarah give it a rest. If you dont want to respond to someone s pm you dont have to character assasinate her all over the place...No one wants to be a predator to you. You are certainly not that intriguiging... Now WOM or Bridget or Moody... they would be interesting to stalk because they read books... LOL


I got the shadrach post with the fire pit.. the cheetos post... no I dont get this one WOM


Henia of course... who for the life of me I could never imagine saying anything bad about anyone. She is a very nice girl


Zidane is Algerian and actually his parents are kabilye I think.....He grew up in France but he goes back to Algeria alot and helps poor people...

It's not me who talked to her It's an active member on this board who pmed me to watch out from another one. She was also one of the many members who told me earlier when I came to this forum that you weren't even algerian and you were just desperately trying to tie your irish/american/whatever roots to Algeria some how. I'm flattered. Who knows which country you will expertise and claim they don't know their history or roots next Jordan? Egypt? Syria? Only time can tell ...How much personal information did you post up?? You had a palestinian AND a morroccan ex!! It's probably best not to post personal information from now on. I'm shocked though. I really did not know there were women who jump into different personalities and races online.




OUCH

Sarah,

Like I said. Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks. You are not well read. Not very well educated and know next to nothing about your own culture.
I am married to an Algerian and the mother of an Algerian and unknown I have many more ties to Algeria than you will ever know. I will have a son with my husband in 5 months. I have spent 7 years and over 15000 thousand dollars giving back to Algeria all the things its given to me and the reality is while you may be Algerian, you are not well educated nor well read nor do you have even the smallest inkling about your own culture. You are an airhead. Shallow. Young. Immature with no common sense. No one to listen to or be concerned with which is why nothing you post is remotely interesting. Get a personality and read some books and I will check back with you

And dont be too flattered. I dont have any admiration for harkis and smagria

In fact.... Ill help you. Everytime I see you post , Ill post some helpful history hint to alleviate the fact that you know next to nothing about your own culture.. Lets start now

The bloody years 1988 to 2002
Fratricide in Allahs name

Important historical figures in Algerian history
Women in the Algerian revolution



a very dirty war


Al Qaeda in the magreb

I nugget of wisdom at last. Let's take a breath and highlight it:

Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks.

Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks.

Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks.

Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks.

Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks.

Then perhaps the best way to show your own intelligence and your own sense of self is just to stop.

If anyone wants to know about Algerian history there are plenty of reliable sources to be found, but I think we can all agree--those of us interested in Algerian history and those who could give a damn--that the Algerian-off that goes on here informs no one. Nor is it flattering to anyone. So, again, I ask you to stop.

LOL woooowww...that's sad. I stated I never saw a man in Algeria hit his wife, you pour 1038742 negative "experiences" or dreams you've had that happened in Algeria somehow you were there to see all that happen. Couple of people came and told you STFU you're not Algerian and you resort to History lessons again and again after people really don't care. You go to personal attacks so I get personal you don't like it so you drift it away by more history lessons. I post up valuable information to steer clear of another nutcase you make it obvious and probably embaressed the crap out of her then post some more history up. Hell if a villager was on VJ he'd smack you for being such a nutcase he wouldn't even care about Algeria's history he's just trying to make some money to feed his family. We don't live in history, After Algeria's independence it's pretty cleared off after that and terrorist attacks in the Cities. You're posting up nonsense for nothing. IF you continue this thread will pretty much be you talking with yourself and educating yourself.

Sarah...

Some people in Algeria who are villagers DO CARE about Algerian history. The things I posted are certainly NOT nonsense. They are relevant and important. An uneducated person who majors in shopping and sheesha would call a video about the shaheeds or the genocide by France nonsense. You need history lessons. You need to read books....

A savage war of peace by Alistair Horne

Franz Fanon Wretched of the Earth would be a great start

Anything by Albert Camus...

You are underestimating villiagers. Just because they are poor doesnt mean they are unknowledgable or not interested in history. I think the movies are interesting

Who is your favorite Algerian author Sarah and how many books have you read in the last 2 years about Algeria or authored by Algerians? What Algerian historical figures are inspiring to you and why? How many places have you travelled to in Algeria and where did you visit? I d be interested to know since you think that no one else on the boards is interested in history or would benefit from discussion of it or the literature of Algeria..

I am very very curious about the answers to these questions. They will tell alot about you...

My aim was for you to stop bad mouthing Algeria and that it wasn't acceptable to say it's where Christians and Jews couldn't walk around, where men are constantly beating wives in public, I'm a loose girl if I've worn western clothes. You've down casted yourself actually by calling me an immigrant to this country, uneducated, a girl who sleeps around yet has only been married once and kept the same man around for 4 years vs a woman who has been thru 2 MENA men previously, I bring up my age because you're so much older with kids and you still find reasons to pester me around the boards. You're not my mother and thank God no way connected to me. It's so pathetic and I really think you are a sick person. You should seek help. I'd understand you badmouthing someone equal in your age but no one has taught you respect or morals. If you had intelligence and morals you wouldn't run around an online thread calling people 1/2 your age prostitutes.

Ok switch places, how about you? How many books on American culture do you read up on? How many American activities do you follow up on? How many marriages b/t American and American do you downcast on? What do you know about yourself? Your TRUE self? Why don't you teach your 1/2 algerian his other half of race? Why do you feel the need to call yourself Wahrania why don't you use a true American identity ? What American figures do you admire? 3rd world countries (esp Middle East) will always have war poverty and bloodshed that's not something to point out every 3 minutes like a buffoon. If any women asked with good intentions about Algeria and where I've visited I'd give vibrant answers. Why do you care so much about my knowledge or experience ? What's wrong with you. You are sick!

Do you know anything at all about the expulsion of nearly half a million jews after the Algerian revolution? There used to be hundreds of thousands of Jews living in Algeria. This is why you need to read more about your country. Are you aware that in April 19 churches were shut down and an American head of the methodist church who had been there for years and years and was stabbed last year in Algiers was recently expelled? You cannot obtain an Algerian visa if you have an israeli stamp in your passport. I have never said you slept around. I said you needed to read more. Your age has never been an issue to me. I don't look at how old a person is. I look at their character. You again know extremely little about your own culture. Just because you didnt see something happen doesnt mean it didnt happen.

This is why I am curious to see where exactly you have travelled in Algeria and how much reading, research or education you have availed yourself of. I am curious as to what authors you have read. Who you look up to as far as historical figures. What museums you have visited in Algeria, etc.

I just am curious as to what background you have education wise. It would explain alot of your aggressiveness. If you really havent ever picked up books or really tried to read up, then that would explain your complete lack of interest in it

To answer your question, I have a bachelors degree in History and I read every day. My favorite subjects of late are Viola Liuzzo and the Selma Experience (1965). I love contemporary history. I like art history. I majored in World History although I am partial to the 1800s and early 1900s

Your answers do not need to be vibrant. Just be honest. If all you did in Algeria was shop and drive by the beach, say so.

I admire many of the people from the civil rights movement. I love American Art (some of my favorite painters like FA BRIDGEMAN actually travelled to Algeria in the 1890s and painted there. I like all types of writes from Ann Rule to Noam Chomsky to Dorothy Parker. I love to travel all over the USA and have lived in several states as well as Europe and the mediterranean.

I chose wahrania because I thought it sounded cute. It wasnt a political statement.

So what books have you read lately or even in the last 2 years about Algerian history? Who are your favorite historical figures in Algerian history and why?

lol....wahrania you can't be serious.

I'm young it doesn't mean I'm stupid! What else do you do with your family overseas? Communicate, picnics, shopping, visit places and other 100 family members across the country. it's my life since I was a child. You can't be serious lol like seriously you are one messed up character. Traveling back home does not mean I have to write up a report and fax it to you .

I didn't say those things didn't happen. I first stated I didn't SEE those happening and it was DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR of a MAN if he DID DO that. If you like reading you should understand what I WROTE UP THE FIRST TIME to avoid this mess you've created.

Every other woman on this board has gone to their SO's country just to be with their husbands, shopping, visit family not READ freaking books or study and write up reports about the country. Are you insulting the rest of the people on this board who are jordanian, egyptian, syrian , etc and don't get interested in reading about their country as you do !?

So true. Books are great and all but not everyone here has an obsession with MENA culture. I married a man, not a country. That's just my own personal view on it though...

Im not insulting ANYONE on the board. I like EVERYONE here...even those I disagree with. I am just a little a different in that I knew the country BEFORE I met my husband. I met him in Algeria while I was working on something . I am not every other woman here. I m similar in that I have struggled with the visa process.... now pregnant waiting for my husband... You do not have to bring every other woman into this. You have no idea what interest other people had in their husband's culture before they met their spouse. I just asked what books you read. You responded with "freaking books" so Ill interpret that as "none" and just stop asking.


I think you are belittling the other woman by saying everyone else went to the SO 's country to just be with their spouses. As I recall, there are women who met their husbands while on trips, architectural digs, college exchanges, etc. So I guess some of them read books too. Fascinating. By the way, my husbands uncle from Bousfer dropped out of school in the 3rd grade but I never met anyone who knew more about Tlecen and Sidi Boumediene and the history of the sufis and the Moroccan Dynastic culture in western Algeria than him. He is an amazing person. He often did not have very much money but he was obsessed with history, took his children ( all 7 of them) on taxi rides to Mansoura, the ancient tower in Tlemcen and exposed them to every single cultural thing imaginable. Hes one of those villagers you mentioned. Amazing person

Yep. And I don't know very much about many aspects of life in many of the countries discussed on this board. I have spent extensive time in Algeria and Tunisia but I dont know a thing about Egyptian history other than a few aspects of the 1800s and of course the whole pyramid thing. I wish I knew lots about all the dynastic history of Morocco.... I read everything I can.

But then again as Sarah said, I am just a blob that sits in front of a computer. What do I know?

By the way, this is one of my favorite cities in Algeria and favorite sites TLEMCEN.. This part of Algeria has been in and out of Moroccan control. This city was also the home to Algeria's largest Jewish community before they all had to leave. The Jews used to travel from Tlemcen back and forth to fez and some elements of this community travelled into the sahara in the 15th century and founded cities in the Oasis and later converted to Islam.

Here is an account of one of my favorite cities in Algeria, Tlemcen. If you ever hear that song, SIDI BOUMEDIENE by CHEB KHALED, he is talking about Tlemcen

Tlemcen was founded by the Romans in the 4th century C.E. under the name of Pomaria as a military outpost. It was an important city in North Africa see of the Roman Catholic Church in the century in which it was built, where it was the center of a diocese. Its bishop, Victor, was a prominent representative at the Council of Carthage in 411, and its bishop Honoratus was exiled in 484 by the Vandal king Huneric for denying Arianism. It was a center of a large Christian population for many centuries after the city's Arab conquest in 708. In the later eighth century and the ninth century, the city became a center of the Kharijite sect. In 1082 the Almoravid leader Yusuf ibn Tashfin founded the city of Tagrart, which merged with the settlement and since then became known as Tlemcen (Tilimsan). Under the reign of the Almohads it rose to prominence as a major trading center in the region. It was lost by the Almohads to the Abdalwadid dynasty in 1239.

In the next period Tlemcen became the capital of the (Ziyyanid) kingdom of Tlemcen (1236 - 1554) and was ruled for centuries by successive Abdalwadid sultans. Its flag was a blue crescent pointing upwards on a white field. The city was temporarily captured by the Marinid sultan, Abu al-Hasan Ali (1337-48). The kingdom of Tlemcen had grown rapidly after its foundations in 1236 and eventually controlled most of the Atlas Mountains to Tunisia at its height in the 15th century. When the Spanish took the city of Oran from the kingdom in 1509, continuous pressure from the Berbers prompted the Spanish to attempt a counterattack against the city of Tlemcen (1543), which was deemed by the Papacy to be a crusade. The Spanish failed to take the city in the first attack, although the strategic vulnerability of Tlemcen caused the kingdom's weight to shift toward the safer and more heavily fortified corsair base at Algiers.

The ruler of Tlemcen is reported to have been advised by a Jewish viceroy named Abraham, who, in the time of the Inquisition of Torquemada, opened the gates of Tlemcen to hordes of Jews and Moors fleeing Spain. Abraham is said to have supported them with his own money and with the tolerance of the king of Tlemcen.

In 1553, the kingdom of Tlemcen came under the protection of the Ottoman Empire, which was fighting a naval war against the Spaniards across the Mediterranean, and the Kingdom of Tlemcen became another vassal of the Sultan in Constantinople. Tlemcen and the Algerian provinces gained effective independence in their own affairs in 1671 , although Tlemcen was no longer the seat of government that it once was (transferred to ?Algiers), and its grandeur was much reduced from the days of its great kings. The Spanish were evicted from Oran in 1792, but thirty years later they were replaced by the French, who seized Algiers. A French fleet bombarded Algiers in 1834, at which point the dey capitulated to French colonial rule; a broad coalition of Arabs continued to resist, coordinated loosely at Tlemcen. The great Arab Abd al-Kader, fought with incredible skill and valor, but his defeat in 1844 at Isly ended the dream of a new independent Algeria.

Tlemcen was a vacation spot and retreat for French settlers in Algeria, who found it to be far more temperate than Oran or Algiers

So first you say "Like I said. Intelligent people dont have to resort to personal attacks. You are not well read. Not very well educated and know next to nothing about your own culture."

Then you say "while you may be Algerian, you are not well educated nor well read nor do you have even the smallest inkling about your own culture. You are an airhead. Shallow. Young. Immature with no common sense. No one to listen to or be concerned with which is why nothing you post is remotely interesting. Get a personality and read some books and I will check back with you

Does this mean you do not consider yourself intelligent with all of the personal attacks here? Give her a break - she is as you say young and getting married etc. She might read some more books as she goes through life, give her a chance to catch up.

I know, its so funny. I have alot of american friends also married to israelis. Lately, I have been reading lots of books around israeli history (since passover, jewish holidays get me in the mood). Anyway I can imagine how annoyed they would be if I just started spamming them in email or talking their ear off about my knowlege of israeli history! Ugh! Its like keep it to yourself and use it in conversation if it comes up dont flood people with it. Also, back in the day when I was planning my big israeli wedding and young and free and childrenless the LAST thing I was worried about was sitting around reading history books.

Ive tried really hard to be patient...but she has been pretty abusive...I was a bookworm at her age.. I cannot really relate to her very well...

Most of my friends are pretty well read and I don't mind listening to them talk about history, politics or what books they are reading. She's been pretty belittling. I hardly classify her as sweet and carefree. Agressively ignorant comes alot faster to my mind